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Re: The Bar has been raised

A/See Doug McGuff's "Body by Science" series on 'youtube',(12 topics, 17
videos), especially #3: 'Cardio'. McGuff explains convincingly, that: 1/Cardio,
as defined so far, doesn't exist, as the heart makes no adaptation to
exercise, 2/All 'aerobic'/'cardio' improvements are made in muscle cells, &
3/Brief, (5 exercises, each 90-120 seconds), intense training, once a week, will
elicit all of the aerobic benefits, in a safer, more efficient manner, along
with strength & muscle . This won't be had from statics. B/ 'Full-range
strength' is a skill. Gains in -any- protocol, static or not, won't be
'full-range' outside of that protocol, (or indeed, really exist at all!), until
skill training in the specific sport or work has 'taught' the subject how to
apply his gains. Thus it's actually possible that -one- static position per
exercise -might- be enough, as long as you do a lot of batting, throwing,
wrestling, whatever. (This issue has been subject to much confusion for decades
due to weightlifters' skill & strength being tied together in the same
activity.) C/ Bill DeSimone, author of "Moment Arm Exercise" , argues -very-
convincingly that if one -must- do statics, they should be at MIDPOINT ROM; that
this is the true strong point of MUSCLE TORQUE, (as supported by the
sliding-filament model of muscle contraction),& that RESISTANCE TORQUE,(which
has virtually the opposite variance curve of muscle torque), has confused
full-contraction advocates into using a less effective position.--- In
Explosive_Fitness@yahoogroups.com, smkyrouac <no_reply@...> wrote:
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> The video is amazing. The amount of effort that the man is exerting appears
painful. Static contraction training is being independently tested and I am
anxious for the results. One hypothesis would be that you will develop full
range of motion strength if you can perform static holds at 3 or more levels of
an exercise. The machine in the video has that potential. But why not just do 6
second all out efforts at 3 different positions on a Stream line? Gages that
measure max and average effort would be a helpful training addition to either
machine. A quick release of the position (like the Smith Machine allows) on a
Streamline or One Rep machine may minimize the advantage of having a motor. It
appears these static machines and especially the improved models have the
potential to simplify workouts and help trainees reach their genetic potential
faster. I anxiously await the results of some of the ongoing studies.
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> --- In Explosive_Fitness@yahoogroups.com, Ed White <kitesurfer257@> wrote:
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> > Upon further observation, I believe that these machines can do more than you
can with spotters and weights.
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> > Here are some important differences:
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> > - with these machines you can do superslow - but apply full effort the
entire time.
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> > - our eccentric strength is greater than concentric.  These machines allow
you to do negatives with more force than positves.  You can't do that with
weights unless someone presses down on the bar - and then it is guesswork.
> >  
> > - these machines eliminate momentum and ballistics.  You can't fire out of
the stretch.
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> > More later...
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> > Ed
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> > --- On Tue, 4/7/09, mrkllyd <lazur@> wrote:
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> > From: mrkllyd <lazur@>
> > Subject: [Explosive_Fitness] Re: The Bar has been raised
> > To: Explosive_Fitness@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 3:01 AM
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> > It does seem as if that may be the case & I haven't seen the machines first
hand, but I think this is the first time McGuff used the equipment, and so, the
trainer's doing things a client -could- do after a little experience. Also, some
styles of personal training are very hands-on, keeping clients focused on pure
simple effort w/no technical distractions, but I'm not seeing anything here a
user couldn't do while working out alone.--- In Explosive_Fitness@ yahoogroups.
com, "petebmc" <petebmc@ > wrote:
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> > > But it takes two people to bench press
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> > > --- In Explosive_Fitness@ yahoogroups. com, Ed White <kitesurfer257@ >
wrote:
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> > > > Statics are great, but for those of us who want maximum strength and
muscle growth, the bar has just been raised.
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> > > > This may very well be the future of strength training:
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> > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=cw2RMm_ LETc
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> > > > It is like full range statics with forced eccentrics - called Hyper
reps.
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Statics are great, but for those of us who want maximum strength and muscle growth, the bar has just been raised. This may very well be the future of strength...
Ed White
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Ed, Looks very interesting - but the first thing that comes to my mind is that the additional intensity would come at the expense of heart and cardio health -...
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Rindfleisch designed some leverage-based ,(manual),Max Contraction units. The multi-use piece was 12G. This motorized multi must be 40, AND WORTH IT, from what...
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  The intensity is controlled by the trainee, which is why it is like EF/MIT.  On the concentric you push as hard as you can (or want to) through the range...
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But it takes two people to bench press...
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Upon further observation, I believe that these machines can do more than you can with spotters and weights.   Here are some important differences:   - with...
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The video is amazing. The amount of effort that the man is exerting appears painful. Static contraction training is being independently tested and I am anxious...
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