Watching Exhibition Football

Somehow, I’m standing in the midst of misty memories, some happy, some risqué and ribald, others a little sad. Laughing voices calling me back to streets I had danced along, light-footed with youth, full of passion and ambition, searching for something, maybe truth? New York’s Finger Lakes, Barcelona, Mississippi, Michigan, Montana, Vietnam, and Spain wax and wane. Shorty and Rat, Didi and Death Valley, marching merrily along through Basic or raising hell on the Ramblas, their faces  unchanged by time…jaw lines and cheeks still gently curved with the soft lines of lingering adolescence. Mr. D (Devaughan), Berv, Wes, Beavers, and Cask 59, a cheap wine that dried to a varnish-like hardness when neglected spills were left to dry. What did it do to our stomachs? Berv’s ’52 Packard’s engine whispering quietly like “the sound of money” as the car glides over Detroit’s bumpy, neglected streets on the way to the Twenty Grand or “The Projects” in search of whiskey, women and song. My gleaming black ’57 Fairlane 500, its glass-packs making muted thunder on that same journey: “I’ll drink to the girls who do, I’ll drink to the girls who don’t, but not the girls who say they will and later decide they won’t. But I’ll drink from the break of day to the wee hours of the night, to the girl who says I never have, but just for you, I might.” Singing and dancing in Mamma Bea’s Bar in tiny New Haven. Mamma Bea sitting behind the bar singing in her gravel voice, echoing the show girl she had been years before. Making sweet love to Betty in the back seat of the Ford on the little hill just outside New Haven. Weeping like a little kid because I have to leave Michigan for Spain. Looking in the rear view mirror at Betty pleading, ‘come back’ as I drive away headed for home, then Spain. Ten years later, I come back, driving a ’69 GTO this time, having stopped off in Vietnam, among other places, on my way back from Spain. Shouldn’t have come; neither New Haven nor I are the same. We have both grown up. New Haven is no longer a sleepy little town, and that soft curve of youth has vanished from my cheeks, forever erased by experience. Mamma Bea is entertaining the angels with her gravel voice and Betty is long gone. It occurs to me that I don’t remember her last name. I drive away to Minnesota with a sigh. I don’t look back, this time. The mist clears, the memories fade away, and I see my fingers hunting and pecking over the computer keyboard. It’s midnight, the football game between the Giants and the Browns is over, and I don’t know who won. But that’s okay…I preferred the memories, anyway.

© Thurman P. Woodfork 8/19/2008

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From: "Colonel Dan" <colonel-dan@...>
To: "Veteran Issues by Colonel Dan" <VeteranIssues@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [VeteranIssues] West LA VAMC, FW: An Open Letter To Three VSO's re: Bill # S.1043 & Bill # S.1417
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:25:03 +0000

 

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From: feinsm@... [mailto:feinsm@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 10:11 PM
To: vfwac@...; joan@...
Cc: ; colonel-dan@...;
Subject: An Open Letter To Three VSO's re: Bill # S.1043 & Bill # S.1417

 

Respected Veteran Representatives, The land-use situation at the BIGGEST AND BUSIEST VA health care facility in the nation, the "HOME" at VA, WLA, is out of control.  Further, the terms conditions, spirit and intent of the Grant Deed of 1888 that created that "HOME", to "permanently maintain" a health care community for returning Veterans, are under siege!  This is a plea to have YOUR respective organizations address this matter, immediately!  The dangerous precedent that HAS ALREADY been set must be realized and, with YOUR HELP, the situation must be resolved, undone and reversed! We The Veterans have put together this factual information for your widest distribution to all Veteran lists, however, for obvious reasons described herein, it is the National offices of AMERICAN LE GION, DISABLED AMERICAN VETERANS (Mr. Ed Monroe accepted our paperwork at the National Las Vegas Convention) and VETERANS OF FOREIGN WARS that are being asked to expedite action to resolve the huge and complex challenge described herein. Saturday, August 16Th, Information from my AMVETS Post 2 meeting described that the VFW National officers had called to use the Wadsworth Theater at VA, WLA, a theater created specifically for Veteran use, and it was told that it could not use it. We The Veterans, a Veteran watchdog/advocate group based in WLA, can prove that Richmark Entertainment Corporation, a non-Veteran for-profit entity has complete control of this building (plus the Grand Lawn and the only other remaining theater on the facility).  This corporation's "thugs-in-suits" security even assulted a Veteran advocate who was gath ering information about a private party.  That matter went to court and the DA, in his summary, stated that Veterans, love them as we do, are like children and have to be disciplined sometimes. National VSO's and the entire Veteran community need to know that this typifies the occupation of the gifted "Home" land, like the Russians in Georgia, by non-Veteran entities. We can show that local VA bureaucrats at the "Home" have not been helpful in exposing this fact and that they act more like real estate agents than health care providers.  We can also show that the wealthy, powerful, politically well-connected and NIMBY-minded Brentwood Community (the president of the home owners is the president of Veterans Park Conservancy, VPC) has, with the help of some Veteran representatives who live in this  area and political staffers, held questioning VSO's and Veteran advocate groups at distance from exposing the truth about "land-grab". Richmark Entertainment Group, Inc, was guilty of serving alcohol and sponsoring lavish private parties adjacent to long standing Veteran rehabilitation programs and did not stop until We The Veterans called this to the attention of Senator Feinstein's office.  We know that this Richmark sharing agreement, like most all others on the facility, ignores the congressional mandate for a master plan, a plan that would make Veterans the main stake holders, and that it perpetuates the negative impact that has taken over the facility.  While the first of three housing buildings for homeless Veteran programs are subject to over a year's wait, exotic bird sanctuaries memorandums-of-understandings are being given freely. The delays created by this form of "land-grab" beucracy has cost immeasurable hours and effort to treat an ailing Veteran community.  Older Veterans are flocking to seek the assistance of an institution that bares the name "Veterans", and, younger wounded warriors with record claims for PTSD, head trauma and gender specific issues demonstrate the real cost of war. It was Senator Feinstein, at a press conference four months ago, held on the facility, who stated "imagine what can be done here [for Veterans]" when she was "embarrassed" to be told by We The Veterans that her name had been used to endorse a public park on the property.  It is time to stop with the politics and time to make the "HOME" what it was intended to be. URGENT! VPC, a so-called Veteran group, boasting lobbiests, a memorandum-of-understanding, a sharing agreement and, most damaging, a letter of endorsement on the California Department of American Legion stationery, is about to execute a sharing agreement for a 16 acre FONT color=#990000>public park onto this land that was specifically gifted as a place for returning Veterans to heal by Grant Deed in 1888. When We The Veterans managed to educate certain Veteran representatives within the American Legion, Department of California, it, at its latest Bakersfield Convention, passed a resolution, submitted by District 21, that would rescind any endorsements of this park idea and prevent any other such endorsements. The bureaucrats at VA, WLA, continue to ignore the questions of Veteran advocates because we are not VSO's.  We are Veterans who are passionate about service to Veteran patients and we take our advocacy seriously.  Now, however, we must rely upon YOU, the VSO's, to press the issues as described here. American Legion and Disabled American Veterans, DAV, as stated on their respective websites, admi t to have been monitoring the following legislation for over a year: 'A bill to require the Secretary of Veterans Affairs to submit a report to Congress on proposed changes to the use of the West Los Angeles Department of Veterans Affairs Medical Center, California.' Bill # S.1043 Original Sponsor: Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) Cosponsor Total: 1 (last sponsor added 03/29/2007)   1 Democrats
About This Legislation: 3/29/2007--Introduced. Directs the Secretary of Veterans Affairs to report to Congress on the master plan of the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) relating to the use of VA lands of the West Los Angeles Department of Veterans Affairs Medical Center, California, as originally required under the Veterans Programs Enhancement Act of 1998. Requires an alternative report, on the development of the master plan, if the master plan does not exist as of the date of enactment of this Act. Prohibits the Secretary from implementing any portion of the master plan until 120 days after its receipt by the congressional veterans' and appropriations ************************************************************** American Legion, Website: Congressional Legislation West Los Angeles Department of Veterans Affairs Medical Center Preservation Act of 2007 Bill # S.1417 Original Sponsor: Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) Cosponsor Total: 1 (last sponsor added 05/17/2007)   1 Democrats About This Legislation: A bill to direct the Secretary of Veterans Affairs to submit a report to Congress providing a master plan for the use of the West Los Angeles Department of Veterans Affairs Medical Center, California, and for other purposes. National Commanders and leaders, please direct your respective legislative staff officers to use the muscle that Veterans have "on the Hill"!  Please call for a moratorium on all leases at VA, WLA, until the honorable Secretary Peake makes good on the existing legislation (described above).  Further, We The Veterans requests that you review and endorse the attached DECLARATION OF ENFORCEMENT.  We The Veterans created this no-nonsense document to perpetuate th e terms, conditions, spirit and intent of the Grant Deed of 1888, a grand document that, unfortunately, has lost all respect by the VA. If not you, whom?  If not now, when? Sempre Fi, F Juarez Co-Director, We The Veterans ************************************************************** DAV, Denvel D. Adams National Service and Legislative Headquarters 807 Maine Ave SW Washington, DC 20024 (202) 554-3501

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From: Vern
Subject: Heart Attacks Among Women
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:29:53 +0000
>
> NURSE'S HEART ATTACK EXPERIENCE
>
> I  am an ER nurse and this is the best description of this event that I have
> ever  heard.
>
> Please read, pay  attention, and send it  on!
> Diane K. in AZ
>
>
>
> FEMALE HEART ATTACKS
>
> I was aware that female  heart attacks are different,
> but this is the best description I've ever  read.
>
> Women and heart attacks (Myocardial infarction).  Did
> you  know that women rarely have the same dramatic
> symptoms that men have when  experiencing heart attack ...
> you know, the sudden stabbing pain in the  chest, the cold
> sweat, grabbing the chest & dropping to the floor that  we
> see in the movies.  Here is the story of one woman's
> experience  with a heart attack.
>
> 'I had a heart attack at about 10 :30 PM with NO  prior exertion,
> NO prior emotional trauma that one would suspect might've  brought it on.
> I was sitting all snugly & warm on a  cold evening, with
> my purring cat in my lap, reading an interesting story
> my friend had sent me, and actually thinking,  'A-A-h,
> this is the  life, all cozy and warm in my soft, cushy Lazy
> Boy with my feet propped  up.
>
> A moment later, I felt that awful sensation of indigestion,
> when  you've been in a hurry and grabbed a bite of sandwich
> and washed it down  with a dash of water, and that hurried
> bite seems to feel like you've  swallowed a golf ball going
> down the esophagus in slow motion and it is most
> uncomfortable. You realize you shouldn't have gulped it
> down so fast and  needed to chew it more thoroughly and this
> time drink a glass of water to  hasten its progress down to the
> stomach. This was my initial sensation---the  only trouble was
> that I hadn't taken a bite of anything since about 5:00  p.m.
>
> After it seemed to subside, the next sensation was like
> little  squeezing motions that seemed to be racing up my SPINE
> (hind-sight, it was  probably my aorta spamming, gaining speed
> as they continued racing up and  under my sternum (breast bone,
> where one presses rhythmically when  administering CPR).
>
> This fascinating process continued on into my throat  and
> branched out into both jaws.  'AHA!! NOW I stopped  puzzling
> about what was happening -- we all have read and/or heard
> about  pain in the jaws being one of the signals of an MI
> happening, haven't  we?  I said aloud to myself and the cat,
> Dear God, I think I'm having a  heart attack!
>
> I lowered the footrest dumping the cat from my lap,  started
> to take a step and fell on the floor instead. I thought to myself,
> If this is a heart attack, I shouldn't be walking into the next
> room  where the phone is or anywhere else ... but, on the other
> hand, if I don't,  nobody will know that I need help, and if I
> wait any longer I may not be able  to get up in moment.
>
> I pulled myself up with the arms of the chair,  walked slowly
> into the next room and dialed the Paramedics ... I told her  I
> thought I was having a heart attack due to the pressure
> building under  the sternum and radiating into my jaws. I didn't
> feel hysterical or afraid,  just stating the facts.  She said she
> was sending the Paramedics over  immediately, asked if the
> front door was near to me, and if so, to unbolt  the door and
> then lie down on the floor where they could see me when they
> came in.
>
> I unlocked the door and then laid down on the floor as  instructed
> and lost consciousness, as I don't remember the medics  coming
> in, their examination, lifting me onto a gurney or  getting me
> into their ambulance, or hearing the call they made to
> St.  Jude ER on the way, but I did briefly awaken when
> we arrived and saw that  the Cardiologist was already
> there in his surgical blues and cap, helping  the medics
> pull my stretcher out of the ambulance. He was bending
> over  me asking questions (probably something like
> 'Have you taken any  medications?') but I couldn't make
> my mind interpret what he was saying, or  form an answer,
> and nodded off again, not waking up until the Cardiologist
> and partner had already threaded the teeny angiogram
> balloon up my  femoral artery into the aorta and into my
> heart where they installed 2 side  by side stints to hold
> open my right coronary artery.
>
> 'I know it  sounds like all my thinking and actions a t home
> must have taken at least  20-30 minutes before calling the
> Paramedics, but actually it  took  perhaps 4-5 minutes
> before the call, and both the fire station and St.  Jude
> are only minutes away from my home, and my Cardiologist
> was already  to go to the OR in his scrubs and get going
> on restarting my heart (which  had stopped somewhere
> between my arrival and the procedure) and installing  the
> stints.
>
> 'Why have I written all of this to you with so much
> detail?  Because I want all of you who are so important
> in my life  to know what I learned first hand.'
>
> 1.  Be aware that something very  different is happening
> in your body not the usual men's symptoms  but
> inexplicable things happening (until my sternum and
> jaws got into the act).  It is said that many more
> women than men die of their first (and last) MI
> because they didn't know they were having one and
> commonly mistake it as indigestion, take some Maalox
> or other anti-heartburn preparation and go to bed,
> hoping they'll feel better in the morning when  they
> wake up ... which doesn't happen.  My female  friends,
> your symptoms might not be exactly like mine, so  I
> advise you to call the Paramedics if ANYTHING is
> unpleasantly happening that you've not felt before.
> It is better to have a 'false alarm' visitation than  to
> risk your life guessing what it might be!
>
> 2.   Note that I said 'Call the Paramedics.' And if you can
> take an aspirin.  Ladies, TIME IS OF THE  ESSENCE!
> Do NOT try to drive  yourself to the ER as you are a hazard
> to others on the road.
> Do NOT have  your panicked husband who will be speeding
> and looking anxiously at what's happening with you  instead
> of the road.
> Do NOT call your doctor -- he doesn't know where you
> live and if it's at night you won't reach him anyway,  and
> if it's daytime, his assistants  (or answering service) will
> tell you  to call the Paramedics. He doesn't carry the equipment
> in his  car that you need to be saved! The Paramedics do,
> principally OXYGEN that you need ASAP. Your  Dr.
> will be notified  later.
>
> 3.   Don't assume it couldn't be a heart attack because  you have
> a normal cholesterol  count.  Research has discovered that a
> cholesterol elevated reading is rarely the cause  of an MI
> (unless it's unbelievably high and/or  accompanied
> by high blood pressure). MI's are  usually caused
> by long-term stress and inflammation  in the
> body,  which dumps all sorts of deadly  hormones
> into your system to sludge things up in  there.
> Pain in the jaw can wake you from a sound  sleep.
> Let's be careful and be aware. The more we  know,
> the  better chance we could survive.
>
> A cardiologist says  if everyone who gets this mail
> sends it to 10 people, you can be sure that  we'll save
> at least one life.
>
> **Please be a true  friend  and send this article to all
> your friends (male & female) you care  about!**

Hi Edward, and everyone else on this site,

It has been a long time since we have taken the time to check in with
each other, His letter to Arielle made me cry as well as reminded me
of so many things he would tell me. Boy did I need those talks!!!!
Because I missed him so much I ended up finding a wonderful Klingon
group here in Fla. True friends and good people that think so much
like Earl I just know he had a hand in me finding them. They have
been great friends.

My four boys are doing great in school as well as in life. 2 have
even joined me in the Klingon games.  The 3rd one is on the way he
just needs a little more time LOL.  The boys have gotten so big I am
not sure if you would recognize them from the photo I sent your dad.
The 15 is now 6'2" 17 year old is 6' and the 18 year old is a
whooping 6'4" with size 18 shoes lol

I am happy Edward, you have found a girlfriend that can be a true
Friend. That is every important in life.  I always loved the way your
dad would talk about your mom. The sun rose and set on that woman! I
loved hearing that and I hope someday to find that kind of love
myself. For now I have just started looking.

Glad to hear your mom and you are doing well. I hope things continue
to get better for the both of you.

I can't make it to DragonCon this year. Hope to some time.

Pam (Mira Rodale)

Hello, all,

I've been reading lately, and been in deep thought. I miss the old
man, myself. Alot. I am his only son. I carry his lineage. I truly
believe that knowing what's going on with his family, he'd be slightly
agitated, but overall, he'd know we did what we had to do to survive.

Since my birthday was three days prior to his death, it hits me harder
then almost my entire family to have something so happy to my memories
be cast in shadow of his unfortunate and too soon downfall.

His letter to Arielle just made me cry. I'm writing this through
tears. I miss him so much and I'd be so happy to have him here to
listen to his usual ranting and raving. I miss hearing him call me a
"young punk" everytime I called him an "old man"

As we draw near to the 4 year anniversary of his demise, I'd like
everyone to keep him in our thoughts and our prayers (to the Gods,
Goddesses, and Dieties of all religions, as he respected all of them)
and keep him alive in your hearts. I was pondering a year from now to
possibly hold a mass visit to his grave on August 21st, 2009. I won't
be able to do it this year, I'll be working.

As for the family update, Mother and I are doing alright, as we now
live in Hamilton, OH, after a traumatic experience with my now
ex-fiancee. I'm with another girl who's been my friend for as long as
I was with my ex. I'll be with her and my boss at DragonCon in
Atlanta, GA. If things can be arranged, I plan to be with her and
possibly my mother for the Dover Peace Conf. Reunion. I'm trying to
gather info to get back in KAG, but thus far, it's been an uphill
battle, and finding Uncle Bob and Uncle Walter seems impossible as of
late. With the business I'm helping operate, I have little time
anymore as well, as I'm now helping run a video game sales company
called "Roman Games" out of Turtle Creek Flea Market. My boss has been
ultra supportive (but he does have a tendency to get on my nerves
occasionally).

Anyway, if anyone feels the need to contact me personally about
anything, post on here, or e-mail me at newageneogoth@.... I'll
be happy to respond, as I haven't heard from anyone in a long time and
I've been getting lonely with no friends here in Hamilton.

In emotion and thought,
Edward Jones
Young Oak
Kormac epitai-Rasmehliar, son of Kolar
Lord Dragonis T. Ulricson-Lasombra

To Arielle

It was the custom in ages past - although uncommon even then - for women to
defend the home with arms. When husbands fighting to hold enemies at bay from
village and fief fell in the lines, wives and elder daughters, in lieu of sons,
would take up the fallen swords and shields. They toed the line shoulder to
shoulder with the remaining men and joined in the defense of hearth and home and
loved ones. Such women today, as then, deserve all the admiration and respect
that would be offered any other soldier, plus some. Traditionally, mothers are
the last and final wall of protection for their young. Today, those mothers who
are so inclined have chosen to take advantage of the technology that allows them
to take the battle to the enemy, and as far away from their homes as possible.
God has blessed us with mothers who will willingly meet death, in protection of
their young. All forms of honor and praise to such women. And, may God twice
bless us, by seeing such moms return home safely.

Earl Jones © 19 March 2003


  --
  T. P. Woodfork
  "You can't pray a lie."
  -Huckleberry Finn
  http://www.8thwood.com

Just for a minute to remember Earl..

Faye

Hi Eddie,

I just wanted to pop in and say that I hope things get worked out
within the family.  I know it's hard for everyone involved.  As for
the debt, I think we all struggle with that from time to time.  I
just bought "the secret" dvd hoping that helps.  LOL  We shall see.

Anyway, I hope things get better.

April

--- In EarlJonesgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Jones"
<newageneogoth@...> wrote:
>
> I apologize for the while it took,
>
>    Indeed, as Aunt Glenna said, I haven't been on much. I've been
> working and a family crisis hit the fan. My brother-in-law
(Heather's
> Husband) hurt my mother emotionally by being his alcoholic self and
> cussing her out.
>
> The winter has been especially hard on my mother as the pipes at
her
> trailer froze and she's been staying with Heather..until today. Now
> she's staying at her refridgeorator box of a trailer. She won't
come
> to me, out of fear of my fiance. They had a falling out a while
back
> and she's scared of her, too. She won't go to Casey for the same
> reason. If her pipes are busted, she said "I'd sooner live out of
my
> car, and probably will."
>
> I'm at my wit's end with this. I want to help, but I can't figure
> things out. Anyway..onto the rest of this update.
>
> I took care of the spammer. Removed their posts and banned them.
> Also, I'm adding 3 of you as co-moderators of this group, and then
> increasing the security levels of the establishment.
>
> As for the rest of the life update. In mid-November, I moved out of
> Mom's trailer to Avondale, in Cincinnati. I live in an apartment
with
> my fiance. We're working on wedding plans but we're having money
> issues, as is my mother. I'm hurtling into debt and I dunno what to
> do.
>
> Beyond that..if anyone wishes to get ahold of me..you can leave a
> message with me and/or Mom..here's the updated contact info:
>
> Eddie and Stephanie: 513-322-3613
> Margie: 513-843-0737
> Eddie's e-mail: newageneogoth@...
>
> Hope that helps. Again, I apologize for the delay, but please
> understand, shit has been hitting the fan.
>
> Toodles,
> ~Eddie/Kormac/Drag
>

Thank you Ed. I will endeavor to uphold the fine tradition of integrity
and SPAM-FREE forums he was involved with.
    BTW I am in Ohio again and for good this time. E-mail me and I'll
send you the details and see what I can do to help you and Mom out.
Can't promise anything, but perhaps I can do something to get you in
touch with each other again, relationshipwise that is.
Missed you.... Uncle Bob
--- Edward Jones <newageneogoth@...> wrote:
  The following people have been placed as moderators for the group:
  Uncle Bob
  Uncle Walter
  Aunt Glenna.
  Much love,
  Eddie/Kormac/Drag



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Group is now restricted. Moderators must approve any and all that wish
to come into it.

~Eddie/Kormac/Drag

Group is now restricted. Moderators must approve any and all that wish
to come into it.

~Eddie/Kormac/Drag

The following people have been placed as moderators for the group:

Uncle Bob
Uncle Walter
Aunt Glenna.

Much love,
Eddie/Kormac/Drag

I apologize for the while it took,

    Indeed, as Aunt Glenna said, I haven't been on much. I've been
working and a family crisis hit the fan. My brother-in-law (Heather's
Husband) hurt my mother emotionally by being his alcoholic self and
cussing her out.

The winter has been especially hard on my mother as the pipes at her
trailer froze and she's been staying with Heather..until today. Now
she's staying at her refridgeorator box of a trailer. She won't come
to me, out of fear of my fiance. They had a falling out a while back
and she's scared of her, too. She won't go to Casey for the same
reason. If her pipes are busted, she said "I'd sooner live out of my
car, and probably will."

I'm at my wit's end with this. I want to help, but I can't figure
things out. Anyway..onto the rest of this update.

I took care of the spammer. Removed their posts and banned them.
Also, I'm adding 3 of you as co-moderators of this group, and then
increasing the security levels of the establishment.

As for the rest of the life update. In mid-November, I moved out of
Mom's trailer to Avondale, in Cincinnati. I live in an apartment with
my fiance. We're working on wedding plans but we're having money
issues, as is my mother. I'm hurtling into debt and I dunno what to
do.

Beyond that..if anyone wishes to get ahold of me..you can leave a
message with me and/or Mom..here's the updated contact info:

Eddie and Stephanie: 513-322-3613
Margie: 513-843-0737
Eddie's e-mail: newageneogoth@...

Hope that helps. Again, I apologize for the delay, but please
understand, shit has been hitting the fan.

Toodles,
~Eddie/Kormac/Drag

I think that the message below, as well as others we have seen
recently, make it time and past time for the Owner(s) to require
approval of new additions to the membership. Making such approval
necessary would stop spammers in their tracks.

The Abbot

--- In EarlJonesgroup@yahoogroups.com, "domenique-mcnally440@..."
<domenique-mcnally440@...> wrote:
>
> damn! these guys just fixed up my current house loan, consolidated
all the old ones, and im saving 600 bucks a month!!
http://nameusout.info/dmwl
>

I agree, but as I am NOT the owner, and do not have co-owner
priveledges, I cannot aide in the reduction of such things.I am ever
vigilant of those ones I do own to see that these things aren't
occurring there. I HAVE sent messages to the owners of those I belong
to when I see them appear to alert them of this happenstance. but it
sometimes falls on deaf ears as there are oftentimes changes in the
interests of owners resulting in orphaned forums which these SPAMMERS
prey on as such.
T-Gen Khinsharri~
--- KObol epetai-Chang-KOnor <AbbotKobol@...> wrote:
  I think that the message below, as well as others we have seen
  recently, make it time and past time for the Owner(s) to require
  approval of new additions to the membership.  Making such approval
  necessary would stop spammers in their tracks.
  The Abbot





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I think that the message below, as well as others we have seen
recently, make it time and past time for the Owner(s) to require
approval of new additions to the membership.  Making such approval
necessary would stop spammers in their tracks.

The Abbot

--- In EarlJonesgroup@yahoogroups.com, "domenique-mcnally440@..."
<domenique-mcnally440@...> wrote:
>
> damn! these guys just fixed up my current house loan, consolidated
all the old ones, and im saving 600 bucks a month!!
http://nameusout.info/dmwl
>

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hi all ,I have started a site  http://www.outofstress.com
  which deals all aspects of stress and recovery.Our objective is to
  help peoplethose who are suffering from stress ,anxiety and
  depression.If any of you have stress related stories
  ,comments,tips,sugggestion post webmaster@... site
  covers a junk traffic of 7000/month.You can get a good publicity as
  well.....bye..kamal &mak...webmaster

  STRESS STORIES
  http://www.outofstress.com/stress-stories/anxiety-panic-disorders-
cure.php
  http://www.outofstress.com/stress-stories/sky-falling.php

Well I THINK he may be at THIS last Dover, but don;t quote me on it.
TRY going to the Dover website and asking if THEY know how to contact
him or if they have anyone there that knows Jack well enough to speak
to him for you.. best I can do from here bud... Wish it were more..
Bob

--- Edward Jones <newageneogoth@...> wrote:
  Hi guys! Got some news!
  Mom is calling all the Klingons in the group to help rouse one Jack
Borkowski and wants to contact him about a few things.
  If I'm hearing her right, she wants to set up a Cincinnati based con
called "KolarCon", I think the con is planned to be a mix of everything
Dad was into. RPG, Trek/Klingondom, Sci-Fi, but she wants  it to be
like Dover. ^_^
  If anyone knows how to contact Jack, or knows someone who can help,
please let me know. Also, Jack needs to be contacted as Mom is looking
for some KAG history he might know.
  ~Eddie

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Hi guys! Got some news!

Mom is calling all the Klingons in the group to help rouse one Jack
Borkowski and wants to contact him about a few things.

If I'm hearing her right, she wants to set up a Cincinnati based con
called "KolarCon", I think the con is planned to be a mix of
everything Dad was into. RPG, Trek/Klingondom, Sci-Fi, but she wants
it to be like Dover.

^_^

If anyone knows how to contact Jack, or knows someone who can help,
please let me know. Also, Jack needs to be contacted as Mom is looking
for some KAG history he might know.

~Eddie

Hey guys! Sorry, life has been so busy with work and such. I've been
working myself to death to the point that I haven't had much time for
anything else. It's driving me nuts.

Anyway, I just managed to take a look at the boards and the spammer
members have been removed. No advertisements on the board, please.

So, how's everything for everyone? I haven't heard much from anyone
and I got a couple of messages from my mother to relay to everyone.

1: Lisa - If you're still on this board, Mom says that we still have
your poetry book that you wrote. If you'd like it back, give us a holler.

2: Uncle Bob - I plan on going to Dover again this year, and paying my
way to it. Do you?

3: Uncle Walter - Myself and Mom would like to arrange a trip down to
see you to gather all of Dad's camping supplies and such. Please get
in contact with us.

4: Aunt Glenna - Mom's worried about you! Keep closer contact!

For all the people who need to contact us, our number is 513-797-4228.
  Or if you feel more comfortable with e-mail, you can e-mail me or
post it on the boards.

Thanks guys!

-Ed