From: azza radwan <azzasaleh@...>
Subject: RE: [EGYPTIAN_RECS] Data from "unethical" research
To: egyptian_recs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 9:25 AM

 Dear Noha;

So as you are (actually I am "sympathizing " with the first category ) this means accepting  publications of these results ? and not for the other unethical studies from the start ,

but what about the unfaireness regarding the subjects being twice used 1st by enrolling them in research without telling them and the second time by publishing their data for promotion or advancing  the careers of others??

Your thoughts about publications or throwing the data ?

Best

Azza

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To: EGYPTIAN_RECS@ yahoogroups. com
From: dr_nanoh@yahoo. com
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:11:54 -0800
Subject: Re: [EGYPTIAN_RECS] Data from "unethical" research

Dear Dr Isabelle, Thank you for raising this issue, I am really concerned with this situation that have met us and will meet us more in the coming years. I first would like to divide the studies that did not take REC approval prior to conduction into 2 major categories:  The first one includes studies that meet all the requirements to be ethical but all the problem is that this is not reviewed and approved by REC prior to initiating the study " I mean if these studies had been submitted to REC they would have been approved without any needed modifications" The second category includes studies that if had been submitted to REC they would have needed some modifications to be approved or even not approved at all" . So this category is unethical from the start !! And actually I am "sympathizing " with the first category ,that it is a real loss of efforts. specially in our countries many institutes have their own REC just been developed". But in the same time I completely emphasize that research MUST take REC approval before any step to be initiated,for the sake of what we all know. Waiting for your responses May be we can find a way to help Thanks and Regards Noha Asem   --- On Wed, 12/17/08, inakhla1 <inakhla@hotmail. com> wrote: From: inakhla1 <inakhla@hotmail. com> Subject: [EGYPTIAN_RECS] Data from "unethical" research To: EGYPTIAN_RECS@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 8:35 PM Dear friends and colleagues We all know that it is almost impossible to publish data obtained from "unethical" research or research that did not obtain REC/IRB approval. Do you think it is fair to the subjects who were involved in such research to throw their data away? Isn't this a waste of the sacrifice the subjects made (even if they were unaware of it) and it is twice unfair to subjects, once by enrolling them in unethical research and the second time by throwing their existing data away? Your thoughts and why?

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