Hi Joy,

   Thanks a lot for answering to my post. I knew about Aloe Vera, but never
thought to suggest it to my sister, but now I will.

   Do you know if Dr. Clark's system works for this kind of problem, and if so,
what's the treatment?

   Thanks a lot for you kind help

   Ruth

Loretta Crossman <LorettaArtist@...> wrote:
   Hi Ruth,

During the 1990's, i had the most terrible bloating
combined with constant burping. It was agonizing, as
the burning feeling of hot lava in my throat was
nearly unbearable whenever i did burp, but the
bloating became worse if i didn't. There were episodes
of this bloating lasting about a month for several
years, until it became constant in about 1995. (The
bloating was so severe that after one episode which
started overnight, i was congratulated the following
day for being pregnant by a neighbor who saw me nearly
daily.)

I went to many doctors and specialists, and had
countless tests. Prescription drugs did not help for
any length of time and proved useless within months.
Doctors thought possible ovarian cancer to etc, etc.
Finally i had surgery which also did not work.
Eventually i just broke off with the doctors, as it
became apparent they did not know what was wrong.
Nearly every waking minute, i had the pressure and
pain of the problem~ it was almost unbearable.

I had begun to look into natural healing for several
of our cats during this time, and  saw miraculous
things happen with them. But i didn't know where to
start in healing myself. One day walking past our
cabinet, i saw a bottle of aloe vera gel. Somewhere i
had heard about aloe and digestion, and decided to try
a bit. To my surprise, i felt a small relief. So i
tried more, all the while making a face about the
taste, i'm sure.

Over the next year or so, i carried a small bottle of
aloe vera juice with me every where i went. I would
fill the bottle daily, so it was ready to go. Driving
in the car, it was beside me, ready for a sip.
Whenever the bloating stirred up, i drank more. During
an average day, i probably drank a cup and half total.
Gradually, my digestive system healed up greatly.

Today, I only occasionally drink aloe, but always keep
a large bottle in the frig. (We get the $10 gallon jug
at Walmart, but Lily of the Desert is a better brand,
as it is all natural.) My symptoms are probably
85%-90% better, as the bloating is better (still have
some), and the burping just comes and goes at times. I
generally never have the lava-like feeling, either.

What is amazing is that all the money spent on doctor
appointments, tests, prescriptions, and surgery did me
*no* good at all! But a simple plant like Aloe Vera
has been a great part of the answer. Perhaps your
sister would experience healing as i have. It's not an
overnight cure, but it worked so wonderfully over time
for me.
Let me know if you have any questions, and best
wishes,

Joy



--- Ruth Ramos <ruth_rosita@...> wrote:

> Hi
>
>   For the last few years my sister has regularly
> been suffering from chronic digestive problems. The
> symptoms have included bloating, upset stomach with
> prolonged periods of diarrhea. She also has
> exhibited apparent intolerance to various foods -
> skin eruptions other discomforts which seem to be
> associated with milk/cheese/milk-containing products
> etc.
>
>   She also has shown strong allergic reaction to
> household chemicals and soaps (we have provided
> access to the certified organic personal care
> products that we sell, which have helped this
> tremendously - but obviously these do not help with
> the stomach problems).
>
>   We are really concerned for her lately as symptoms
> have become quite extreme - having many days of
> chronic watery-diarrhea. We know that she has been
> under some stress, and the only result from the
> Doctors (typically) is to put problems down to their
> 'catch-all' diagnosis - 'IBS'. Consequently she has
> been prescribed fibre drinks, but these seems to
> have no benefit at all!
>
>   We would like to know what suggestions anyone has
> for a system cleanse and what things to use for this
> and where we would most likely be able to get them
> here in the UK. (Also interested to know if the
> products from 'Dr Clark Shop' are OK? Has anyone
> used products from them for similar problems - if so
> any product recommendations would be really
> appreciated.)
>
>   Any suggestions would be gratefully received.
>
>   Thank you
>
>   Ruth
>   http://toxictimebomb.blogspot.com
>
>
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If only it were as easy as simply being a matter of parasites and
toxcity . . . . I can only speak for myself, but please rest assured
that I have read Dr. Clark's books (um, all of them, not just the
one you referenced) and I have followed the programs and guess what?
I'm still sick and my kids still have autism. I believe in her
methods, but for me it's not enough. That is why people on here post
about other techniques, diets, important supplements, etc. I think
we're all striving for wellness. I think it's important to keep in
mind that Dr. Clark's research is a work in progress. Some of her
advice changes (radically in some areas). I would bet her future
work will focus more on nutrition. IMO, if you think nutrition isnt
important, you've got a lot to learn.

Respectfully yours in disagreement,
Lorna


--- In DrClark@yahoogroups.com, "A. Hall" <amhall@i...> wrote:
>
> Huh..  Her methodology, ie getting the parasites killed and
removing the
> toxin that allows them to prosper, are the primary things she
recommends
> for getting rid of diabetes along with doing what you can to avoid
> reinfestation. That is exactly what I did, and I can eat pretty
much
> anything I want, and keep my blood sugar within the normal range.
I
> have to avoid the wood alcohol contaminated stuff as listed in her
book,
> and at first I did avoid sugary things but as I returned to normal
blood
> sugar levels, I have reincluded sugar with no negative effect. She
> unfortunately doesn't address that stomach pathogen, to my
knowledge. :(
> And I am still overweight, by our society's standards, and I don't
> exercise much, which means.... all you guys with your 'diet based
> methods' are really just managing the disease, like a lot of other
> sites.   DO Dr. Clark's protocol, and YOU will be sucessful,
without
> going on some damn diet or living in fear for the rest of your
life if
> you don't 'eat' right. IT ISN'T ABOUT FOOD, DIET OR EXERCISE, IT
IS
> ABOUT TOXINS AND PARASITES.  I am looking forward to a cure, not
just
> life long management.  With her protocol, I am confident I will
achieve
> it. Sure I might have other health issues (although keeping the
> parasites down should keep a lot of disease away) but I don't have
> diabetes anymore. How many of the people on this list have even
read her
> book "The cure for all diseases", anyway???
> Shingles... Dr Clark addresses those too.  I personally found that
> taking a fair amount of echinecea purpura root (with hot tea)
every
> couple of hours also stopped the virus pretty well.
> Annette
>

Duncan

   Hi! Sorry...I just found that inulin article - I missed the link and headed to
the articles on the page - apologies!
   Thanks for the useful info, re probiotics & inulin.

   Ruth
   www.toxictimebomb.blogspot.com


Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:
   > Ruth wrote:
>
>   For the last few years my sister has regularly been suffering from
>   chronic digestive problems. The symptoms have included bloating,
>   upset stomach with prolonged periods of diarrhea.

Ruth, the science of restoring normal bowel ecology has been on
my website for a couple of years now. Essetially it's a probiotic
approach, but probiotics are not ncessarily used directly;
instead, the probiotic starter culture she already has in her gut
is simply fed an adequate supply that happens to be lacking in
the diet.

This means the approach is actually correcting a deficiency of
this bacteria food, inulin. Here's the page:
http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/

Because her dysbiosis has gone on for years she will be treating
candida in addition to general dysbiosis. Now she has to be on an
anti-candida diet, which is essentially mainly nutritionally
dense fiber and protein. This kind of diet is the healthiest for
any human though, not just candida and diabetes cases.

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Thanks Duncan for your reply...but I'm not sure that you answer my question. I
would like to know if the cleanses Dr. Clark recommends for this kind of
problems are effective (sorry I don't have her books!) and if so where the best
place to buy the required items. Perhaps you are implying that such a cleanse is
not required? Is this the case? Are you indicating that she only needs to make
dietary changes?

   I would like also to read the advice you provide about the dietary changes,
and the probiotic program you suggest including how to restore the adequate
amount of inulin on your site - But as far as I can see the link you provided to
your site doesn't arrive at a page where these issues are discussed  - unless I
am just missing the right item. I have looked fairly thoroughly at the page you
link to but cannot see anything about probiotics or inulin, or dealing with
candida overgrowth thro' diet. Would you be so kind as to resend the link? Or
point me to the right article, thanks very much.

   Ruth
   www.toxictimebomb.blogspot.com


Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:
   > Ruth wrote:
>
>   For the last few years my sister has regularly been suffering from
>   chronic digestive problems. The symptoms have included bloating,
>   upset stomach with prolonged periods of diarrhea.

Ruth, the science of restoring normal bowel ecology has been on
my website for a couple of years now. Essetially it's a probiotic
approach, but probiotics are not ncessarily used directly;
instead, the probiotic starter culture she already has in her gut
is simply fed an adequate supply that happens to be lacking in
the diet.

This means the approach is actually correcting a deficiency of
this bacteria food, inulin. Here's the page:
http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/

Because her dysbiosis has gone on for years she will be treating
candida in addition to general dysbiosis. Now she has to be on an
anti-candida diet, which is essentially mainly nutritionally
dense fiber and protein. This kind of diet is the healthiest for
any human though, not just candida and diabetes cases.

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Well said Annette, it does make you laugh that the most high brow ones cannot
see the wood for the trees -)   she also  stresses in her latest hiv book the
importance of  chlorine free water,  i have personally found that changing to
spring water that has been ozonated,  has improved my health no end.
    peter

"A. Hall" <amhall@...> wrote:
   Huh..  Her methodology, ie getting the parasites killed and removing the
toxin that allows them to prosper, are the primary things she recommends
for getting rid of diabetes along with doing what you can to avoid
reinfestation. That is exactly what I did, and I can eat pretty much
anything I want, and keep my blood sugar within the normal range.  I
have to avoid the wood alcohol contaminated stuff as listed in her book,
and at first I did avoid sugary things but as I returned to normal blood
sugar levels, I have reincluded sugar with no negative effect. She
unfortunately doesn't address that stomach pathogen, to my knowledge. :(
And I am still overweight, by our society's standards, and I don't
exercise much, which means.... all you guys with your 'diet based
methods' are really just managing the disease, like a lot of other
sites.   DO Dr. Clark's protocol, and YOU will be sucessful, without
going on some damn diet or living in fear for the rest of your life if
you don't 'eat' right. IT ISN'T ABOUT FOOD, DIET OR EXERCISE, IT IS
ABOUT TOXINS AND PARASITES.  I am looking forward to a cure, not just
life long management.  With her protocol, I am confident I will achieve
it. Sure I might have other health issues (although keeping the
parasites down should keep a lot of disease away) but I don't have
diabetes anymore. How many of the people on this list have even read her
book "The cure for all diseases", anyway???
Shingles... Dr Clark addresses those too.  I personally found that
taking a fair amount of echinecea purpura root (with hot tea)  every
couple of hours also stopped the virus pretty well.
Annette



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Hi Ruth,

During the 1990's, i had the most terrible bloating
combined with constant burping. It was agonizing, as
the burning feeling of hot lava in my throat was
nearly unbearable whenever i did burp, but the
bloating became worse if i didn't. There were episodes
of this bloating lasting about a month for several
years, until it became constant in about 1995. (The
bloating was so severe that after one episode which
started overnight, i was congratulated the following
day for being pregnant by a neighbor who saw me nearly
daily.)

I went to many doctors and specialists, and had
countless tests. Prescription drugs did not help for
any length of time and proved useless within months.
Doctors thought possible ovarian cancer to etc, etc.
Finally i had surgery which also did not work.
Eventually i just broke off with the doctors, as it
became apparent they did not know what was wrong.
Nearly every waking minute, i had the pressure and
pain of the problem~ it was almost unbearable.

I had begun to look into natural healing for several
of our cats during this time, and  saw miraculous
things happen with them. But i didn't know where to
start in healing myself. One day walking past our
cabinet, i saw a bottle of aloe vera gel. Somewhere i
had heard about aloe and digestion, and decided to try
a bit. To my surprise, i felt a small relief. So i
tried more, all the while making a face about the
taste, i'm sure.

Over the next year or so, i carried a small bottle of
aloe vera juice with me every where i went. I would
fill the bottle daily, so it was ready to go. Driving
in the car, it was beside me, ready for a sip.
Whenever the bloating stirred up, i drank more. During
an average day, i probably drank a cup and half total.
Gradually, my digestive system healed up greatly.

Today, I only occasionally drink aloe, but always keep
a large bottle in the frig. (We get the $10 gallon jug
at Walmart, but Lily of the Desert is a better brand,
as it is all natural.) My symptoms are probably
85%-90% better, as the bloating is better (still have
some), and the burping just comes and goes at times. I
generally never have the lava-like feeling, either.

What is amazing is that all the money spent on doctor
appointments, tests, prescriptions, and surgery did me
*no* good at all! But a simple plant like Aloe Vera
has been a great part of the answer. Perhaps your
sister would experience healing as i have. It's not an
overnight cure, but it worked so wonderfully over time
for me.
Let me know if you have any questions, and best
wishes,

Joy



--- Ruth Ramos <ruth_rosita@...> wrote:

> Hi
>
>   For the last few years my sister has regularly
> been suffering from chronic digestive problems. The
> symptoms have included bloating, upset stomach with
> prolonged periods of diarrhea. She also has
> exhibited apparent intolerance to various foods -
> skin eruptions other discomforts which seem to be
> associated with milk/cheese/milk-containing products
> etc.
>
>   She also has shown strong allergic reaction to
> household chemicals and soaps (we have provided
> access to the certified organic personal care
> products that we sell, which have helped this
> tremendously - but obviously these do not help with
> the stomach problems).
>
>   We are really concerned for her lately as symptoms
> have become quite extreme - having many days of
> chronic watery-diarrhea. We know that she has been
> under some stress, and the only result from the
> Doctors (typically) is to put problems down to their
> 'catch-all' diagnosis - 'IBS'. Consequently she has
> been prescribed fibre drinks, but these seems to
> have no benefit at all!
>
>   We would like to know what suggestions anyone has
> for a system cleanse and what things to use for this
> and where we would most likely be able to get them
> here in the UK. (Also interested to know if the
> products from 'Dr Clark Shop' are OK? Has anyone
> used products from them for similar problems - if so
> any product recommendations would be really
> appreciated.)
>
>   Any suggestions would be gratefully received.
>
>   Thank you
>
>   Ruth
>   http://toxictimebomb.blogspot.com
>
>
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>    Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 07:32:03 -0000
>    From: "jbaztanj" <jbaztanj@...>
> Subject: Re: Beating diabetes...
>
> Sorry but I wouldnt agree with Frank on the Atkins
> diet, your father
> as a diabetic must be really decompansated (however
> is written)i mean
> out of balance and eating meat will just unbalance
> him a lot more than
> he is right know, by eating meat he will become more
> acidic, remember
> what 2 nobel prize Otto Warbug said about acid/base
> balance in the
> body etc.... Find out about Dr. Young and his book
> "The Ph miracle for
> diabetes", i would say keep zapping (but i havent
> used the zapper
> myself long enough to talk about it). In dr Young´s
> book you will find
> lots of recipes and supplements to take along with
> diet and excercise
> correctly, look in www.google.com for Eleotin,
> Diabeticine,
> Glucobetic,Dia-care, Fenugreek (in glucobetic),
> Gymnema Sylvestre (in
> glucobetic), Garlic, Onion, Cinammon (in
> glucobetic), and much more,
> chromium and zinc along with other herbs are
> included in
> glucobetic..so look for that..good luck!
>
> --- In DrClark@yahoogroups.com, "FRANK CUNS-RIAL"
> <fcunsrial@b...> wrote:
> >
> > Start by adopting a strict Atkins diet but
> avoiding saturated fats.
> Avoid alcohol, fruits, sweets, etc.
> > Supplement with:
> > Enzymatic Therapy or Jarrow Glucose Regulator
> formulations. Should
> you need something stronger, use Cinnulin and Banaba
> extract
> (Corosolic acid 1%)
> > Check insulin as well as glucose. Keep in mind
> that finger
> glucometers reflect readings 15% below venous
> glucose.
> > You are looking for maximum finger readings of 110
> upon awakening.
> > Once you get to those levels in a consistent
> fashion you can start
> adding "good carbs" (leafy veggies, cruicifereous,
> berries, nuts and
> seeds and sprouts) to your diet making sure your
> insulin levels do not
> go beyond 12-15 upon awakening.
> > Good luck
> > riginal Message -----
> >   From: alex
> >   To: DrClark@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 3:04 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [DrClark] Beating diabetes...
> >
> >
> >   Call nathuropat Umberto Gabrielli at
> 416-633-2508.
> >   Alex
> >
> >   shefy gupta wrote:
> >
> >   > Hello there,
> >   >
> >   > I was trying to find info. on diabetes for my
> dad. He's on the
> border
> >   > of type 2 and his doctor just put him on meds
> to lower it.
> >   >
> >   > I'd rather have him keep away from diabetes
> the natural way. I'm
> >   > trying to get him to lose weight and eat
> healthier. I read on
> >   > Dr.Clark's site about wood alcohol, but there
> isn't much else....
> >   >
> >   > Has anyone found any other natural products
> that may lower
> sugar? Oh
> >   > here's a bit about him: he's 55, 6ft, about
> 240lbs., he's active
> a few
> >   > times a week; mostly biking/walking, and he
> relieves stress through
> >   > massages.
> >   >
> >   > Thanks!
> >   >
> >   > Shefy
> >   >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
> Message: 2
>    Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 11:18:48 -0600 (Central
> Standard Time)
>    From: "Ken" <crapmail@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: Beating diabetes...
>
>     Not saying it will work for everyone, but I
> personally know someone who
> beat diabetes after losing his extra weight on the
> Atkin's Diet.  So don't
> be so sure that a low carb diet doesn't work or at
> least help glucose levels
> in the blood.  We all know meat scores low in the
> glycemic index.
> Ken
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: jbaztanj
> Date: 01/29/06 09:02:02
> To: DrClark@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DrClark] Re: Beating diabetes...
>
> Sorry but I wouldnt agree with Frank on the Atkins
> diet, your father
> as a diabetic must be really decompansated (however
> is written)i mean
> out of balance and eating meat will just unbalance
> him a lot more than
> he is right know, by eating meat he will become more
> acidic, remember
> what 2 nobel prize Otto Warbug said about acid/base
> balance in the
> body etc.... Find out about Dr. Young and his book
> "The Ph miracle for
> diabetes", i would say keep zapping (but i havent
> used the zapper
> myself long enough to talk about it). In dr Young´s
> book you will find
> lots of recipes and supplements to take along with
> diet and excercise
> correctly, look in www.google.com for Eleotin,
> Diabeticine,
> Glucobetic,Dia-care, Fenugreek (in glucobetic),
> Gymnema Sylvestre (in
> glucobetic), Garlic, Onion, Cinammon (in
> glucobetic), and much more,
> chromium and zinc along with other herbs are
> included in
> glucobetic..so look for that..good luck!
>
>
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Huh..  Her methodology, ie getting the parasites killed and removing the
toxin that allows them to prosper, are the primary things she recommends
for getting rid of diabetes along with doing what you can to avoid
reinfestation. That is exactly what I did, and I can eat pretty much
anything I want, and keep my blood sugar within the normal range.  I
have to avoid the wood alcohol contaminated stuff as listed in her book,
and at first I did avoid sugary things but as I returned to normal blood
sugar levels, I have reincluded sugar with no negative effect. She
unfortunately doesn't address that stomach pathogen, to my knowledge. :(
And I am still overweight, by our society's standards, and I don't
exercise much, which means.... all you guys with your 'diet based
methods' are really just managing the disease, like a lot of other
sites.   DO Dr. Clark's protocol, and YOU will be sucessful, without
going on some damn diet or living in fear for the rest of your life if
you don't 'eat' right. IT ISN'T ABOUT FOOD, DIET OR EXERCISE, IT IS
ABOUT TOXINS AND PARASITES.  I am looking forward to a cure, not just
life long management.  With her protocol, I am confident I will achieve
it. Sure I might have other health issues (although keeping the
parasites down should keep a lot of disease away) but I don't have
diabetes anymore. How many of the people on this list have even read her
book "The cure for all diseases", anyway???
Shingles... Dr Clark addresses those too.  I personally found that
taking a fair amount of echinecea purpura root (with hot tea)  every
couple of hours also stopped the virus pretty well.
Annette

> To counter act chemotherapy you need to address 2 issues. First
> being the extreme nausea that will prevent appetite. Appetite is
> required for the person to eat because you must eat LOTS when doing
> this.

Counteracting chemotherapy and radiation side effects is a
specific part of the medical research on glutathione, the body's
master antioxidant and detoxifier. Download the free ebook by Dr.
Jimmy Gutman, which contains the cite and other references, from
this page of my website:
http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/glutathione-references.html

Duncan

> Ruth wrote:
>
>   For the last few years my sister has regularly been suffering from
>   chronic digestive problems. The symptoms have included bloating,
>   upset stomach with prolonged periods of diarrhea.

Ruth, the science of restoring normal bowel ecology has been on
my website for a couple of years now. Essetially it's a probiotic
approach, but probiotics are not ncessarily used directly;
instead, the probiotic starter culture she already has in her gut
is simply fed an adequate supply that happens to be lacking in
the diet.

This means the approach is actually correcting a deficiency of
this bacteria food, inulin. Here's the page:
http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/

Because her dysbiosis has gone on for years she will be treating
candida in addition to general dysbiosis. Now she has to be on an
anti-candida diet, which is essentially mainly nutritionally
dense fiber and protein. This kind of diet is the healthiest for
any human though, not just candida and diabetes cases.

DuncanDuncan

Careful with the amounts of grains, whether whole or not, when attempting to
"cure" diabetes II with diet.
Regards
Frank
   ----- Original Message -----
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   To: DrClark@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 1:37 PM
   Subject: Re: [DrClark] Re: Beating diabetes...


   Jbaztanj, I have to respectfully disagree with your view of the Atkins
   diet.  Three people in my life have reversed their Type 2 diabetes using
   the Atkins diet, however, they were careful with their choices of
   protein while losing the weight and didn't partake of processed meats
   and excessive dangerous fats.  Their diet now consists of meat, fish,
   foul, veggies, whole grains, fruit, olive oil, and light dairy.  They
   didn't use prepackaged foods, but only foods that were once alive.  In
   one case, artherialsclerosis was erased, and all have returned their
   blood pressure to normal and are enjoying their new found health.

   I don't agree with all the things Dr. Atkins recommended, and I wouldn't
   touch the foods the company puts out, but the concept of the diet is a
   good one and it works, but people need to choose their proteins and fats
   carefully.

   Diane

   jbaztanj wrote:

   >Sorry but I wouldnt agree with Frank on the Atkins diet, your father
   >as a diabetic must be really decompansated (however is written)i mean
   >out of balance and eating meat will just unbalance him a lot more than
   >he is right know, by eating meat he will become more acidic, remember
   >what 2 nobel prize Otto Warbug said about acid/base balance in the
   >body etc.... Find out about Dr. Young and his book "The Ph miracle for
   >diabetes", i would say keep zapping (but i havent used the zapper
   >myself long enough to talk about it). In dr Young´s book you will find
   >lots of recipes and supplements to take along with diet and excercise
   >correctly, look in www.google.com for Eleotin, Diabeticine,
   >Glucobetic,Dia-care, Fenugreek (in glucobetic), Gymnema Sylvestre (in
   >glucobetic), Garlic, Onion, Cinammon (in glucobetic), and much more,
   >chromium and zinc along with other herbs are included in
   >glucobetic..so look for that..good luck!
   >
   >--- In DrClark@yahoogroups.com, "FRANK CUNS-RIAL" <fcunsrial@b...> wrote:
   >
   >
   >>Start by adopting a strict Atkins diet but avoiding saturated fats.
   >>
   >>
   >Avoid alcohol, fruits, sweets, etc.
   >
   >
   >>Supplement with:
   >>Enzymatic Therapy or Jarrow Glucose Regulator formulations. Should
   >>
   >>
   >you need something stronger, use Cinnulin and Banaba extract
   >(Corosolic acid 1%)
   >
   >
   >>Check insulin as well as glucose. Keep in mind that finger
   >>
   >>
   >glucometers reflect readings 15% below venous glucose.
   >
   >
   >>You are looking for maximum finger readings of 110 upon awakening.
   >>Once you get to those levels in a consistent fashion you can start
   >>
   >>
   >adding "good carbs" (leafy veggies, cruicifereous, berries, nuts and
   >seeds and sprouts) to your diet making sure your insulin levels do not
   >go beyond 12-15 upon awakening.
   >
   >
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Thanks for the Dr. Clark store replies. I tried sending a reply in
response but it was deemed that my message was coded in html and
rejected. Can you tell me where you get this kidney herb tea that
everyone speaks of? I was able to source ingredients for the liver
cleanse no problem but all I could find in the way of kidney herbs was
a tincture containing the herbs recommended. Last time, I did the
kidney cleanse but didn't get around to the liver one so I'm now
cleaning my kidneys again in preparation. I'm also attempting a bowel
cleanse but not sure if I have all bases covered. I have a colonoscopy
consult at the end of next month and want to do a spring clean
beforehand. Thanks again for any replies about the kidney tea. Cheers.
Oh, and is there a concensus as to which is better - Clark Store or
Dr. Clark Store? Thanks.

--- In DrClark@yahoogroups.com, Richard Rice <dtceftis1@y...> wrote:
>
> From what I understand, the kidney cleanse is done as a precurser to
the liver cleanse to help ensure you are able to eliminate (urinate)
without any difficulty.
<snip>

Thanks for the Dr. Clark store replies. I tried sending a reply in
response but it was deemed that my message was coded in html and
rejected. Can you tell me where you get this kidney herb tea that
everyone speaks of? I was able to source ingredients for the liver
cleanse no problem but all I could find in the way of kidney herbs was
a tincture containing the herbs recommended. Last time, I did the
kidney cleanse but didn't get around to the liver one so I'm now
cleaning my kidneys again in preparation. I'm also attempting a bowel
cleanse but not sure if I have all bases covered. I have a colonoscopy
consult at the end of next month and want to do a spring clean
beforehand. Thanks again for any replies about the kidney tea. Cheers.
Oh, and is there a concensus as to which is better - Clark Store or
Dr. Clark Store? Thanks.

--- In DrClark@yahoogroups.com, Richard Rice <dtceftis1@y...> wrote:
>
> From what I understand, the kidney cleanse is done as a precurser to
the liver cleanse to help ensure you are able to eliminate (urinate)
without any difficulty.
<snip>

If you go to _www.drclark.com_ (http://www.drclark.com) , you will  have no
problem getting the products you need. I definitely would advise to do  the
cleanses in order as Dr. Clark says. 1st-parasite cleanse, 2nd-bowel,
3rd-kidney, and 4th- liver. Also go to _www.drclark.net_
(http://www.drclark.net)  for
all updates on Dr Clarks  books.

Sincerely

Marjorie


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From what I understand, the kidney cleanse is done as a precurser to the liver
cleanse to help ensure you are able to eliminate (urinate) without any
difficulty.

   Maybe someone else has other thoughts on this?  Regardless, I felt the tea was
beneficial and enjoyed partaking of it...

   Best Regards,

   Richard Rice

tryin425 <headnsouth@...> wrote:
       --- In DrClark@yahoogroups.com, "Deb" <debwilkes2@y...> wrote: ...I'm
wondering if anyone has tried the Cleansing kits and what your reaction was?

   ...We are in our third week of the Kidney cleanse that we got from "clark
store" and we haven't experienced much of anything besides frequent trips to the
bathroom. (not sure what we should expect either)...



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> Duncan,
> All type I diabetics need insulin and diet changes. Most type II
> diabetics need supplements and diet. Only a very small percentage can
> do at the outset with just diet.  I have never, in all of my years of
> practice, been able to turn types II around without the additional
> benefit of supplements, and I did try and I am also familiar with
> every theory "book marketers" advance.

Good point Frank, and in fact I refer every client including
diabetics to my degnerative illness and anti-aging protocol,
which uses supplements.
http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow

I recommend a fairly high-protein, low carb omnivorous diet,
which is what Dr.Bernstein proposes. Dr. Bernstein's diet also
has supplements, for example emphasis on hydroxycitric acid and
chromium, both invaluable to many diabetics.

>Those of us who take care of
> people, one by one, will tell you that not taking advantage of
> replacing missing nutrients in the diet is unwise.

So, the above point is moot since we agree.

> Reaching this
> homeostatic balance brings prompt resolution to the issue. I'll be the
> first one to admit that our second duty is to take people off
> supplements as soon as the body is back in shape. Once the insulin
> "double hump" profile approaches normality and the liver is processing
> carbohydrates properly, it is advisable to start the withdrawal
> process. Regards Frank

Duncan Crow

If you're into electronics, the Beck magnetic pulser reduces
shingles, and you can chase it down into the spine area too.

Shingles RELIES on a slumped immune response, and I've had pretty
good success with several clients now with the closely related
Herpes, using 4Life Research Transfer Factor. I also fielded two
cancer testimonials in a single week from people who used it
successfully on cancer. I don't know what supplements they had.
http://ok.My4Life.com

For reliable topical kills you can use direct electricity a la
"Herpes zapper" or my preference, ozonated olive oil.
http://www.plasmafire.com

Duncan Crow

> The Liver gall bladder cleanse is all over the counter ingrediants
> which my wife and I did a short time ago. Very good results from that
> cleanse.
> We are in our third week of the Kidney cleanse that we got from "clark
> store" and we haven't experienced much of anything besides frequent
> trips to the bathroom. (not sure what we should expect either)
> The KC kit was definetly the way to go, alot of different items are
> needed and to shop for all those things would be tough.
>
Thanks for that. I did the liver cleanse on my husband and had no
problem w/ the ingredients it's just the kidney cleanse that seems the
way to go. Oh, and the colon cleanse and the parasite cleanse. There
is a company here that sells the herbs in a tincture form for all the
cleanses but that's it. You have to source the supplements yourself,
which can be a bit pricey. (For example: Uva Ursi caps at the Health
Food Store are just under $24, whereas they're less than $4.50 at Dr.
Clark Store. Even with the dollar exchange that's heaps.) So, thanks,
that pretty much answers my question. Now to decide between Clark
Store and Dr. Clark Store.

> jbaztanj wrote:
>
> >Sorry but I wouldnt agree with Frank on the Atkins diet, your father
> >as a diabetic must be really decompansated (however is written)i mean
> >out of balance and eating meat will just unbalance him a lot more
> >than he is right know, by eating meat he will become more acidic,
> >remember what 2 nobel prize Otto Warbug said about acid/base balance
> >in the body etc....

I disagree; you don't become more acidic by eating meat or animal
protein, you become more acidic by not eating enough antioxidants
and alkalinizing minerals with that protein to keep the system in
balance. This also follows Waburg's research.

Protein is a metabolic increaser and as such it is instrumental
in keeping HGH levels high enough to repair effectively.
Similarly, especially the alkalinizing minerals, tend to keep
oxygen and metabolism higher and they can do it despite animal
protein intake. In terms of diabetes, which is closely linked to
metabolic syndrome (low metabolic rate), more protein is part of
the cure; conversely less protein or a vegetarian diet will
aggravate diabetes.

In other words, you don't want to reduce metabolic rate, oxygen
uptake and all that because that situation is connected with
illness and other mitochondrial disorders besides diabetes, not
wellness.

Bernstein's Diabetes Solution is a good book, written
specifically for diabetics.
http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/

Duncan Crow

To counter act chemotherapy you need to address 2 issues. First
being the extreme nausea that will prevent appetite. Appetite is
required for the person to eat because you must eat LOTS when doing
this.

The best medicine to relieve nausea and increase appetite is
Cannabis. Marijuana is simply the best at this hands down. DO NOT
smoke it though. It is best consumed in this instance as teas, or as
a wet vapour, much like the old Vicks scene. You place the herb into
a bowl of hot water, place a towl over your head to contain the
vapours and inhale. They will self medicate when they feel
intoxicated and/or the nausea decreases. Look for a strain that is
Indica dominant. This is a type of strain that is high in
cannabinol. This will greatly provide pain relief and induce
restfullness. These are usually the type of strain available in
medical marijuana clubs.

That is half of it. The other half is eating. This is what will
protect the body. I would try to get them to eat every 2 hours if
possible. I would never go past 4 hours without eating something.
To say that herbs like milk thistle and other supplements are going
to protect the body is like saying that a wax job on a car is going
to protect it from a hail storm. What is needed is voluminous
buffers to be circulating in the blood and lymph at all times.

I would consume a much raw saturated fat(raw butter, raw cream, raw
coconut cream) as possible in combination with some starch. In this
instance starch is vital for mopping up acids and the excessive
hormones the body will produce as a side effect to help combat the
poison. Always think soothing. Things like a banana with raw butter
or raw coconut cream. Mashed potatoes with raw butter or coconut
cream, pasta with raw butter or cream, things like that.
I would also have them consume as much unheated honey
(www.reallyrawhoney.com) as possible to aid the liver by providing
enzymes and energy.

Raw eggs and avocado in combination with either banana or a soothing
fruit like a mango. Stay away from detoxing/cleansing fruits with
high acid count like lemons or oranges unless these are appealing.

Raw oysters would be an excellent choice if they are able to eat
them. Chances are they would due to the interesting nature of the
cannabinoids on our perception of food.

In summary, have them eat as much of the following as possible:

- raw eggs(if they can't eat them tube feed them)
- raw butter with potatoes(half and half)
- raw coconut cream with potatoes or pasta(half and half)
- avocado and unheated honey
- raw oysters with raw eggs
- raw eggs with a mango or banana
- raw coconut cream with celery juice(they may love this, go half
and half)
- suck on raw butter and honey in between meals
- suck on honey as much as possible.

I would forget the Dr. Clark rules about no potatoes or only 1 raw
egg a day etc. They can follow rules like that when they go off the
chemo. Right now we are focused on keeping as much soothing
molecules as possible in the blood and lymph. I am not talking about
eating a mango with a tablespoon of butter here. I am talking about
eating half a mango with 4 tablespoons of butter. Then eating 3 raw
eggs and an avocado 2 hours later.

When I was really sick I would consume a raw egg every hour. I can't
tell you how soothing that is. I would also consume lots of raw
cream.


Take care,

Corey


--- In DrClark@yahoogroups.com, John Holland <debnjohn93@s...> wrote:
>
>
> Hello!  I have a friend who just began chemotherapy several days
ago and it is taking quite a toll on his body, especially his
kidneys.  His wife is reaching out for help for him.  They are
wanting to know if there is anything that he can take to help
counteract the negative effects of the chemo and help it cleanse out
of his body.
>
>   I know that it would be better to avoid the chemo altogether,
but this is his choice to listen to the medical drs.  I would
appreciate any info. that you could pass along to help my friend go
through this process more easily.
>
>   Thank you,
>
>   Deborah
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Shirley, How many days did your mom take the 18,000 mcg of B-12?
If the B-12 "units" are not micrograms please let me know.
Thx
Frank
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: shirley sharma
   To: DrClark@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 1:59 PM
   Subject: Re: [DrClark] Cure for Shingles


   18,000 units of vitiman B12 under the tongue a day dried my Mom's singles up. 
If you take vit. B12 by mouth, the hydrochloric acid in your stomach will
destroy it.
     Blessings and hope this helps,
     Shirley

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   with many problems but she said it will not help with the shingles.
   Has anyone read any different? My wife has the shingles and I'm
   searching for info about it. I have given her Ionic/Colloidal Silver
   (12ppm) and she said it has helped. Also, I have juiced her fresh
   oranges for her. Other info will be appreciated.







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First of all, the Atkins diet is not just about eating meat.  Have you read
the books?

Secondly, I have a good friend who was diagnosed just a few months
ago.  This man has cut his carbs significantly, lost 30 pounds, and has
started exercising.  The exercise is minimal at best, but still he feels
great!  His blood sugar now runs around 105 - 110.  His doctor is impressed
and told him to continue eating the way he is.  Chalk another one up for
Dr. Atkins.

For those wondering, yes, he is eating fruits and lots of vegetables.

Jeanne

>Message: 1
>    Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 07:32:03 -0000
>    From: "jbaztanj" <jbaztanj@...>
>Subject: Re: Beating diabetes...
>
>Sorry but I wouldnt agree with Frank on the Atkins diet, your father
>as a diabetic must be really decompansated (however is written)i mean
>out of balance and eating meat will just unbalance him a lot more than
>he is right know, by eating meat he will become more acidic, remember
>what 2 nobel prize Otto Warbug said about acid/base balance in the
>body etc.... Find out about Dr. Young and his book "The Ph miracle for
>diabetes", i would say keep zapping (but i havent used the zapper

Hi

   For the last few years my sister has regularly been suffering from chronic
digestive problems. The symptoms have included bloating, upset stomach with
prolonged periods of diarrhea. She also has exhibited apparent intolerance to
various foods - skin eruptions other discomforts which seem to be associated
with milk/cheese/milk-containing products etc.

   She also has shown strong allergic reaction to household chemicals and soaps
(we have provided access to the certified organic personal care products that we
sell, which have helped this tremendously - but obviously these do not help with
the stomach problems).

   We are really concerned for her lately as symptoms have become quite extreme -
having many days of chronic watery-diarrhea. We know that she has been under
some stress, and the only result from the Doctors (typically) is to put problems
down to their 'catch-all' diagnosis - 'IBS'. Consequently she has been
prescribed fibre drinks, but these seems to have no benefit at all!

   We would like to know what suggestions anyone has for a system cleanse and
what things to use for this and where we would most likely be able to get them
here in the UK. (Also interested to know if the products from 'Dr Clark Shop'
are OK? Has anyone used products from them for similar problems - if so any
product recommendations would be really appreciated.)

   Any suggestions would be gratefully received.

   Thank you

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18,000 units of vitiman B12 under the tongue a day dried my Mom's singles up. 
If you take vit. B12 by mouth, the hydrochloric acid in your stomach will
destroy it.
   Blessings and hope this helps,
   Shirley

wareaglefisherman <dwalker@...> wrote:
   Dr. Clark writes in her book that zapping and other efforts will work
with many problems but she said it will not help with the shingles.
Has anyone read any different? My wife has the shingles and I'm
searching for info about it. I have given her Ionic/Colloidal Silver
(12ppm) and she said it has helped. Also, I have juiced her fresh
oranges for her. Other info will be appreciated.







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Robert,
I think it is important to emphasize the difference between therapeutical and
remedial dosages. A therapeutical dose of magnesium, for instance, is designed
to match the body's physiological needs. Using any nutrient in excess, beyond
whatever the body's needs are at the time, constitutes remedial action. Taking
larger amounts of magnesium, beyond that which is consider physiological
replacement and thus inducing loose bowels, is remedial.
Magnesium overstimulates the para-sympathetic system and peristaltic-muscle
over-relaxation takes place. This is a typical example of the dual function of
nutrients. That is also the reason why different people need different amounts
to provoke loose bowels. In other words, excessive amounts of magnesium are
laxative. That is the rationale behind the high concentration of elemental
magnesium in Milk of Magnesia.
Magnesium levels in blood serum are tricky to understand. As you well know
magnesium operates intracellularly and one needs to consider red blood cell
content before making a physiological assessment.
Finally, the reason why magnesium is so lacking in the American diet has a more
subtle reasoning. The problem is not only under-consumption of vegetables, nuts,
etc (rich sources of magnesium) but also the over-consumption of calcium in the
form of dairy products. This aberration in diet is the main cause for low levels
of magnesium.

Best regards
Frank
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Robert Rowe
   To: DrClark@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 3:43 PM
   Subject: [DrClark] Re: Constipation/Magnesium



   > Message: 2
   >    Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:32:58 -0600
   >    From: "FRANK CUNS-RIAL" <fcunsrial@...>
   > Subject: Re: Re: Constipation/Magnesium/Osteoporosis
   >
   > Hi list,
   > Constipation is a sign that something is wrong.
        Indeed.   One should take this problem very seriously, and so
   whatever
        you need to do to keep the bowels moving.
   >
   > Magnesium deficiency is pervasive but NOT necesserily the cause for
   > constipation.
        On the other hand, insufficient magnesium may indeed be the
   primary cause !!!
   >
   > By just assuming a lack of magnesium one may be obscuring the true
   > cause.
        Perhaps.   But most people have low levels of magnesium in their
   blood.   One
        could also focus on everything but magnesium - fiber, water,
   exercise, whatever -
        and never find a solution to this problem, assuming that the
   primary cause was
        a deficiency of magnesium, or an imbalance between calcium and
   magnesium, or
        between magnesium and other minerals.

   > In terms of the frequency of causes for constipation, a poor diet
   > comes first. One
   > needs a diet loaded with 40-60 g. of fiber (both soluble and
   > insoluble) and lots
   > of water and exercise.
        You say "a poor diet comes first".   Let me then ask you - what
   are the consequences of a poor diet ?
        I will answer the question, and state that one consequence is
   NUTRITIONAL DEFICIENCIES.
        Perhaps one of these deficiencies is MAGNESIUM.

        I would conclude then,  that if diet comes first, that high on
   the priority list of what to consider as a leading
        cause/causes would be any nutritional deficiencies that are
   likely to occur when one has a poor diet.
   >
   > Secondly, one needs to look at the liver and gallbladder function.
   > Thirdly stress and fourthly intestinal and colonic function.

   > Only after checking these functions one should resort to remedies
   > such as magnesium.
        I can not agree with your logic -- see above.    Taking
   magnesium is not like taking
        senna, or cascara segrada, or anything that stimulates the bowels
        in an unnatural way to make them  expel their contents.   Taking
   magnesium is
        a matter of addressing a situation where there is not enough of
   a critical nutrient
        in one's body.  Of course, not every one is deficient in
   magnesium, but empirical data on
        blood levels of magnesium shows us that most people, approx.
   80-85 %, have insufficient
        levels of magnesium in their blood.

        For years I did what you advise folks to do in the statement
   above - everything but
        taking an adequate amount magnesium in supplement form.   I
   tried many different things,
        and none of them really was sufficient for me.    My body
        apparently needed higher amounts of magnesium, and when I
   finally supplied
        an adequate level for me, constipation stopped !!!! --  I'm now
   a happy camper !!!

        I would suggest the following, to replace your last statement
   above:

        Only after addressing possible nutritional deficiencies through
   improved diet and/or
        nutritional supplements, should one concentrate
        or focus on other solutions to improving bowel function, such as
   optimum levels of fiber,
        water, exercise, movement, emotional/mental health, etc, etc. .

        Note: I consider adequate levels of friendly bacteria (pre/pro
   biotics) under the
        umbrella of nutritional deficiencies.
   > Thx
   > Frank
   >




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Shingles-Try Red Algae caps for relief. Avoid inflammatory triggers in foods,
drinks, drugs, etc.
B complex and Inositol ( 2000 mg a day) to feed  nerve endings may help.
Regards
Frank
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   Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 10:19 PM
   Subject: [DrClark] Cure for Shingles


   Dr. Clark writes in her book that zapping and other efforts will work
   with many problems but she said it will not help with the shingles.
   Has anyone read any different? My wife has the shingles and I'm
   searching for info about it. I have given her Ionic/Colloidal Silver
   (12ppm) and she said it has helped. Also, I have juiced her fresh
   oranges for her. Other info will be appreciated.







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Hi,
In addition to the well known effects of Chromium, Vanadyl, Manganese and other
established botanicals, Banaba leaf and Cinnamon extracts are excellent
modulators of insulin activity. Both very well tested safe and effective.
Heptamannulose, from Konjac fiber is also  a great help. Read more in
www.lef.org a site that respects and promotes Natural Health.
Eliminate sugars, alcohol and starches from your diet. Insist on a 60% diet of
veggies (raw and cooked) and the balance fermented products and dairy (if ok for
you), lean meats, poultry, fish, nuts, seeds and sprouts. Don't forget to add 2
tablespoons of Carlson's fish oils. Olive and coconut oils are ok in moderation.
Protein and/or fat ingested at the same time as good carbs will slow down the
rate of insulin release. For instance peanut butter will slow down the very
quick sugars present in white bread. This is just for your information, not an
endorsement of white bread!
Have you insulin, glucose and A1C levels checked regularly and proceed
accordingly.
Many people have insulin resistivity problems and the glucose readings by
themselves may be misleading. High insulin values are indicative of cellular
uptake problems.

Be careful with glycemic indexes and gravitate to glycemic loads the total
amount of quick burning sugars per unit weight.
Regards
Frank
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   To: DrClark@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 10:37 PM
   Subject: [DrClark] Re: Beating diabetes...


   --- In DrClark@yahoogroups.com, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@s...> wrote:
   >
   > Shefy, beating diabetes not about "products" but "lifestyle"; get
   > yoou dad  a copy of the Bernstein Solution.
   > http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/
   >
   >
   >
   > Duncan
   >
   >
   > > Has anyone found any other natural products that may lower sugar?
   >
   I have learned much the "The Untold Truth Seminar"
   www.naturessunshine.com
   I taken Chromium-GTF and have listened to the CD "The Diabetes
   Epidemic" hosted by Dr. Hugo Rodier    copies of this CD at
   www.naturestools.com
   I found Dr. Clarks books at a Natures Sunshine store that also sells
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--- In DrClark@yahoogroups.com, "Deb" <debwilkes2@y...> wrote:
>
> Hello. I'm finding it difficult to source some items here in Australia
> and have looked online at Dr. Clark Store. The prices seem very
> reasonable. I'm wondering if anyone has tried the Cleansing kits and
> what your reaction was? (It seems like it might be more of a
> no-brainer to have it all in a kit spelled out.) Thanks in advance.
Deb
>
The Liver gall bladder cleanse is all over the counter ingrediants
which my wife and I did a short time ago. Very good results from that
cleanse.
We are in our third week of the Kidney cleanse that we got from "clark
store" and we haven't experienced much of anything besides frequent
trips to the bathroom. (not sure what we should expect either)
The KC kit was definetly the way to go, alot of different items are
needed and to shop for all those things would be tough.

Hello. I'm finding it difficult to source some items here in Australia
and have looked online at Dr. Clark Store. The prices seem very
reasonable. I'm wondering if anyone has tried the Cleansing kits and
what your reaction was? (It seems like it might be more of a
no-brainer to have it all in a kit spelled out.) Thanks in advance. Deb

Dr. Clark writes in her book that zapping and other efforts will work
with many problems but she said it will not help with the shingles.
Has anyone read any different? My wife has the shingles and I'm
searching for info about it. I have given her Ionic/Colloidal Silver
(12ppm) and she said it has helped. Also, I have juiced her fresh
oranges for her. Other info will be appreciated.