--- In fibromyalgiacured@y..., "Roseanna Conlon Harris"
<roastzanna@h...> wrote:
I added two oz. of orthophosphoric acid to a gallon of organic apple
juice
and drank a quart a day for four days to soften the stones.

On day five, skip dinner and I took a colon-flushing agent (I used
Colosan)
twice, once at 6 pm and once at 8 pm.  At 9 pm I took some calcium,
ornithene and inositol to help me sleep.  At 10 pm I drank * oz cold
pressed
extra virgin organic olive oil with 8 oz. of organic fresh pressed
grapefruit juice, which I mixed in a blender and chugged (not
unpleasant).

Next morning two handfulls of "lentils"-sized gallbladder/bile duct
stones
came out, in addition to a bunch of floating chaff and some sludge (I
was
running clear at this point, bowel-wise).  My bowels were normal by
noon.
More stones came out the next morning.  The following day, I had the
most
energy I have had in my life.  My digestion is really great...no
constipation at all.  I seem to be losing body fat, but not weight.
My
joints hurt less.  The energy continues to be incredible.

I'm doing another flush this weekend.  I understand you get even more
stuff
out the second time.  I plan to do three in succession, then rest and
do
this every six months, per my nutritionist's advice.

This, the guaifenisen, avoiding allergens and the whey have me
functioning
at about a 90% level.  It's incredible; I was in a wheelchair when I
started
my recovery from the joint pain and fatigue.

Hugs, Roseanna in NoCal; FMS/CFS always; guai 8/99-01/01, Robinul 1
mg 1/01,
HG diet 3/99, whey 1/4 tsp 04/01, amalgam poisoning 2/01, hypothyroid
(cytomel)8/73, wheat/milk allergy 3/99

_________________________________________________________________

--- End forwarded message ---

--- In DrClark-testimonials@y..., dusan@o... wrote:
> --- In bowelcleanse@y...,
>

Hi from Joe;

Sent a reply to bowelcleanse, it bounced so will do another;
especially liked your link at the end.  Might save me $2,000 on a
Rife device!  Have been interested for 7 yrs but didn't afford the
$2,000 & up for 1.  I can live w about $100 + the aggravation to get
it alive.  The important part [frequencies] is there.





>  Vanessa Kyama <vkyama@y...> wrote:
>
>
> I've been reading old posts on the
> HuldaClarkEnthusiasts site looking for the syncrometer
> tester, and what scares me is that some people have
> pencil thick worms 6+ inches long, or flukes as big as
> slugs.  When I took the Sonnes 7 Day Cleanse Kit and
> did the colemas, I got out 6 inch tapeworms.  I didn't
> expect that to happen, nor did I expect to get out any
> of the black stuff and the growth.  I just can't be
> sure of what I have inside of me.  Even though I had
> my amalgammed teeth extracted, and have taken BWH, and
> zapped, doesn't mean I am free of parasites.
> Especially large ones that are very resistant.  I wish
> there was some way to know.
>

Keep doing what you've been doing till nothing more [bad] comes out.
When you're free of them, 1 indication is increased ambition, stamina
& reduced food intake.

> Like the syncrometer tester showed Mary, an earth worm
> takes hours to die when zapped at its own frequency.
> So, likewise for ascaris or anything else.  They just
> get up again and go about their business then, eh?
>
> The other thing that bothers me is my unsuccessful
> liver cleanses.  Dr. Clark says more parasites are the
> cause.  At this site I find out it could be a toxic
> bowel.  I can believe it's some of both.
>

Bet on that.  Confirmation is the infestation & resulting toxicity.
They don't do as well when you're in good shape.


> I am still on a juice diet, not to lose weight but
> because I don't want anything solid except cottage
> cheese/flax oil/cayenne pepper in the morning.
> Everytime I eat fruit or a salad, it comes out partly
> undigested.  I have the craving for fat once in awhile
> - for McDonald's French Fries, or Kentucky Fried
> Chicken.  This morning for the first time in weeks I
> woke up hungry, but that feeling goes away when I
> drink juices.  Some people are on juices a long time
> before they want solid food again.  I am trying not to
> be worried about that, but right now I am.
>

Consider doing a G.I. tract cleanse from stomach downward.  Have a
ref to some pills that supposedly strip the hardened crud [dried
solidified mucus] off the cilli [sp] & loosen impacted pockets of
crud farther down.  [Never tried them].  Would aid food absorption.

> Every day I think I've cleaned up my tissues a bit
> more by juicing, doing the colemas, and taking the
> bentonite and psyllum.  My eye color change is proof
> of that.
>

We used to use bulk bentonite to plug dynamite shot holes after an
oil survey - would support the concrete on top of it till it
solidified,  animals wouldn't step in the holes & break legs then.
It's a natural soap, worked there by sealing the surface of the hole
to stop water transfer into the surrounding dirt [& resulting
shrinkage causing the plug to collapse]; are you sure you want to
keep that up?  Wonder if that might be your colon plug trouble.  It
has a ring of possibility since your liquids don't provide normal
fiber [presumably fixed by the psylium].


> I know from the colemas that I have a stricture or
> blockage in my colon since I can't hold much water,
> and the flow stops no matter how much I massage.  Did
> parasites really build a cement wall in me to create a
> blockage? I was (am) a bread lover, pasta lover...
>

Unlikely - breads contribute but it usually takes more.   What are
you doing to maintain mineral levels while on all the liquid?  You
should check out colloidals [the only kind that gets absorbed in your
condition].   You will have to stop all carbonated soft drinks to
prevent stomach acid dilution then.  You along w about 80% of the
U.S. public are chronically low in several of the 68 essentials as
indicated above.  If you take action, expect about 4 mo to get
stabilized [assuming no serious other troubles].


> I ordered the Homozon and Inner Garden Flora from
> Donna yesterday.  I am hoping the Homozon may do
> something for me in all these regards.  I think I'll
> also start taking hydrogen peroxide.  Raji gave me a
> good site to look at:
>
> http://cat007.com/o2.htm
>

I've used H2O2 before; the site shows reliable info; recommend you do.


> There's a section on h2o2, and building your own
> ozonator link at the bottom.
>
> Am I being paranoid? I cannot stand the thought of
> large creatures inside of me....
>
> Maybe I just need to get a grip right now and stop
> reading those posts.
>
> Vanessa

NO. Better to attack the problem before more damage happens.  Check
the site for the Colloidal Silver article, there might be more.  Note
that the worst case for you is to use the CS for an extended period
to kill parasites [in addition to zapping] for a long enough time to
go thru 2 life cycles.  The CS will attack the parasites when they
are in a single cell state & cause rapid death.  That stops further
multiplying & leaves the adults.  Don't know their life expectancy
but as long as you have any, you can get reinfested from them.  If
you're lucky, they'll stay in your G.I. tract & not go out & about
looking for their solvent.  Then you could get a dewormer or equiv.
to make them escape.  Since, as you say, they're hardy, call my
favorite vet & N.D. at 877 912 7529 4pm EST wk days for a radio
consultation.  Bet he can fix you up.  He saved my gallbladder 3 yrs
ago & has my diabetes recovering; should be off insulin about Oct.
Be sure to ask about the colon plug.

You should try making your own colloidal Ag per the site article.
Startup cost would be about $38 if you do; the laser pointer is a
630 - 680 nm wavelength, $12 at Harbor Freight & Tools [if you live
in, N., S. or W. of Utah].  That enables you to verify
concentration.  Mine is from there & can find .01 ppm.  The article
at '.com/silver.htm is adequate for a novice to get good results,
better than I had when I started 2 mo ago.  If you brew to 25 ppm,
your cost will be under $.01 / gal if you write off the hardware cost.
[when diluted to 5 ppm].  I've gone way higher but didn't get the
small particle sizes & it turned mucky.  Worked for bacteria but not
viruses.  Stayed up till 4 am digesting refs above & redesigning my
next CS circuit.  Will use 190 Vdc for a quick startup & current
limit to .5 mA, actually simplifies previous ckt.  Don't recommend
this; will light your eyeballs if you get across the terminals.
Since it's DC, it won't let go like AC does.


Thanks again for your site ref.  Get well.  Bye.

Hi All,
This is my first post to this list.  I first read Dr. Clark's books more than 5
yrs ago, but was too chicken
to do the liver cleanse.  I'm a type 1 diabetic of 10 yrs and feel pretty good,
eating a good diet to control blood sugars.  I've researched nutrition for the
past 10 yrs and the more I read, the more I learn that Dr. Clark's
information is confirmed as correct in most areas. (I don't agree with her
advice to drink cow's milk, however
because most of it is now genetically engineered).

I'm posting today because I finally did my first liver cleanse exactly according
to Dr. Clark's protocol.
I feel it was successful because I got out about 50 small stones and lots of
chaff.  No pain, but diarrhea started several hours before I took the grapefruit
- olive oil drink, and I forgot to take the ornithine.  I tossed and turned all
night because of that.   I also had a bad headache (unusual for me)before going
to bed.  In the morning with the first bowel movement, there were 5 stones
slightly larger than a pea...but they were light tan in color, not green.  Later
movements produced maybe 3 green ones, but many tan colored ones. I have done
herbal cleanses prior to this and that may be the reason I didn't get all that
much.  I had also done a parasite cleanse using an herbal tincture called
Parafree which also contained anti-parasite essential oils.  But I feel great,
and will do it again in a few weeks when I can set asside a couple of days to
see if more come out.
Dr. Clark does caution to do the kidney and colon cleanse and kill parasites
before doing the liver flush or it could become very uncomfortable.
Hope this helps people...
God Bless
Ruth

----- Original Message -----
From: dusan@...
To: gallstones-testimonials@egroups.com ; DrClark-testimonials@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 6:26 AM
Subject: [DrClark-testimonials] Fwd: Re: [bowelcleanse] Failed Liver Flush -
What happened ?


--- In bowelcleanse@y..., Tishri7@a... wrote:


< So, my question, of those that
FAILED the liver flush, did you experience what 'I' experienced ? I'm
looking for a pattern here, to determine what the common thread is.
Thanks ! >>
************************


Hello,
Well, actually, my first one was a booger.  I thought that I was
dying.  This
was back in July when I did it, and it was way before I had enough
info on
it.  I didn't drink organic apple juice by the quart all week, didn't
eat
lots of raw veggies & fruits, and didn't drink a recommended 12
glasses of
water per day.  So the reason that my first one didn't work was
because of my
lack of knowledge in preparing for the cleanse.

Preparing for the liver/GB cleanse is just as important as drinking
the
stuff.  You may also need enemas during the week.  Never, never,
never do a
cleanse unless you're cleaned out first.  That may have been your
mistake.
So when I came to Dr. Clark's cleanse, I was scared to death.  By
reading
posts of people who successfully did the cleanse, it really gave me
courage.
I made sure my body was prepared.  Then I did her cleanse, not one
single
pain whatsoever.  I'm fixing to do my 7th or 8th now.  Can't really
remember
which one.  But each one has been more successful that the last.  I
do a
combination of Dr. Clark's and Dr. Sandra Cabot's cleanse now.  I
make sure
that I drink that organic apple juice every day, at least a quart of
it per
day.
Susie


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--- In bowelcleanse@y..., Tishri7@a... wrote:


< So, my question, of those that
  FAILED the liver flush, did you experience what 'I' experienced ? I'm
  looking for a pattern here, to determine what the common thread is.
  Thanks ! >>
************************


Hello,
Well, actually, my first one was a booger.  I thought that I was
dying.  This
was back in July when I did it, and it was way before I had enough
info on
it.  I didn't drink organic apple juice by the quart all week, didn't
eat
lots of raw veggies & fruits, and didn't drink a recommended 12
glasses of
water per day.  So the reason that my first one didn't work was
because of my
lack of knowledge in preparing for the cleanse.

Preparing for the liver/GB cleanse is just as important as drinking
the
stuff.  You may also need enemas during the week.  Never, never,
never do a
cleanse unless you're cleaned out first.  That may have been your
mistake.
So when I came to Dr. Clark's cleanse, I was scared to death.  By
reading
posts of people who successfully did the cleanse, it really gave me
courage.
I made sure my body was prepared.  Then I did her cleanse, not one
single
pain whatsoever.  I'm fixing to do my 7th or 8th now.  Can't really
remember
which one.  But each one has been more successful that the last.  I
do a
combination of Dr. Clark's and Dr. Sandra Cabot's cleanse now.  I
make sure
that I drink that organic apple juice every day, at least a quart of
it per
day.
Susie


--- End forwarded message ---

--- In bowelcleanse@y..., zenalpha@y... wrote:


Get the book "The Cure for All Diseases" by Hulda Clark.  Looks like
you probably have a parasite problem (or possibly there is something
wrong in your digestive tract that needs correcting).  Substitute
magnesium citrate for epsom salts.  It tastes better and there isn't
as much nausea.  I did a liver cleanse this paste weekend and got out
about 1000 stones (maybe more).  My shoulder was aching and I had not
done a successful liver cleanse in quite a while (for various
reasons), which is why I did one.  You're supposed to use grapefruit,
not lemons...btw.
The only time I felt really sick when doing a liver cleanse was when
there were parasites inside of my digestive tract (large ones).  They
looked like a whole bunch of baby earthworms with little orange hooks
or "beaks" on the end of them.  They came out with the liver cleanse
(I think the overdose of magnesium sulfate must have 'killed' them).
So be sure to kill them, if possible (herbs seems like the best way to
do this, or possibly a colema in conjuction with anti-parasite herbs).



--- End forwarded message ---

--- In bowelcleanse@y...,


"ken Takemoto" <kimn01@m...> wrote:


Hi group

I just completed my liver flush.  This is my 5 th time in the past 16
months.  Again I was amazed with how many stones I passed.   Unlike
the other flushes, I got pretty sick this time.

I am wondering how healthy  it is to consume that much oil?   Is  a
flush every 4 months too much?  What happens to all the oil? When do
you know  if  you passed all of your stones.

Thanks in advance.

Ken

--- End forwarded message ---

--- In gallstones@y...,

Nixhiv@a... wrote:


Tonight will be my 13th flush.  On the last one, I went over the top
and
drank 11 oz. of olive oil and a cup of lemon juice.  That'll be the
last time
for that!  I felt like every cell in my body was supersaturated with
oil.
And I can't see that increasing the dose produced better results.  A
few
people have swilled down 16 oz. of olive oil...aaargh!  This is a
matter of
tolerance...I think you can get just as good results with
less...although I
did hear about a guy who got average results until he upped the dose
to 8 oz
OO/ 8 oz. LJ and then got 25 stones the size of golfballs!

But it's definitely something you can experiment with until you get
the
results you want.  Lemon, grapefruit, or even lime juice all seem to
work OK.


This is an amazing program.  I wish more people would do it.  Zero
expense,
no office visits, what more can you ask for?

Best wishes,
Christine

--- End forwarded message ---

--- In gallstones@y...,

  TomLaBresh@a... wrote:


      To;  Long-time Clark reader, first-time liver flusher...rwbhealer



      I have done TWO flushes.  The Second has been most
spectacular...over
200 Lima-Bean-Sized 'Gall-Stones' pooped out!  The first time I used
only the
minimal amount of Juice and Oil.  The second Flush I combined 1 Pint
of
Grapefruit Juice and 1 Pint of Olive Oil (I weigh 230 lbs).  After
vigerous
shaking I could NOT get the two liquids to combine !  SO I used a
straw and
went from top to bottom drinking Oil then Juice...IT WORKED GREAT.
      I had got my system 'running' with Apple and Carrot Juice for
three days
(nothing else).  The Epsom Salts wooshed out my system!  When I
consumed the
Oil and Grapefruit juice my stomach settled (it got a touch queasy
with the
two rounds of Epsom Salts).  The 'Stones' came out in the
morning...NO
Pain...No Strain !   I did not feel the need for more Epsom Salts.
( It took three 'sittings' to get out ALL 200 'Stones')  I did follow-
up with
MORE Apple and Carrot Juice.  Do give your system REST during this
time.
Being 'calm' helps the process.  Refrain from eating heavy for a day
or
so....MY energy went WAY UP (so will yours)

-Tom-
--- End forwarded message ---

--- In bowelcleanse@y...,

  Vanessa Kyama <vkyama@y...> wrote:


I've been reading old posts on the
HuldaClarkEnthusiasts site looking for the syncrometer
tester, and what scares me is that some people have
pencil thick worms 6+ inches long, or flukes as big as
slugs.  When I took the Sonnes 7 Day Cleanse Kit and
did the colemas, I got out 6 inch tapeworms.  I didn't
expect that to happen, nor did I expect to get out any
of the black stuff and the growth.  I just can't be
sure of what I have inside of me.  Even though I had
my amalgammed teeth extracted, and have taken BWH, and
zapped, doesn't mean I am free of parasites.
Especially large ones that are very resistant.  I wish
there was some way to know.

Like the syncrometer tester showed Mary, an earth worm
takes hours to die when zapped at its own frequency.
So, likewise for ascaris or anything else.  They just
get up again and go about their business then, eh?

The other thing that bothers me is my unsuccessful
liver cleanses.  Dr. Clark says more parasites are the
cause.  At this site I find out it could be a toxic
bowel.  I can believe it's some of both.

I am still on a juice diet, not to lose weight but
because I don't want anything solid except cottage
cheese/flax oil/cayenne pepper in the morning.
Everytime I eat fruit or a salad, it comes out partly
undigested.  I have the craving for fat once in awhile
- for McDonald's French Fries, or Kentucky Fried
Chicken.  This morning for the first time in weeks I
woke up hungry, but that feeling goes away when I
drink juices.  Some people are on juices a long time
before they want solid food again.  I am trying not to
be worried about that, but right now I am.

Every day I think I've cleaned up my tissues a bit
more by juicing, doing the colemas, and taking the
bentonite and psyllum.  My eye color change is proof
of that.

I know from the colemas that I have a stricture or
blockage in my colon since I can't hold much water,
and the flow stops no matter how much I massage.  Did
parasites really build a cement wall in me to create a
blockage? I was (am) a bread lover, pasta lover...

I ordered the Homozon and Inner Garden Flora from
Donna yesterday.  I am hoping the Homozon may do
something for me in all these regards.  I think I'll
also start taking hydrogen peroxide.  Raji gave me a
good site to look at:

http://cat007.com/o2.htm

There's a section on h2o2, and building your own
ozonator link at the bottom.

Am I being paranoid? I cannot stand the thought of
large creatures inside of me....

Maybe I just need to get a grip right now and stop
reading those posts.

Vanessa

--- In bowelcleanse@y..., lateblmr46@a... wrote:
Well I did my first flush. I had a hard time getting down all those
caps w/
Epsom salts in them. And they gave me such bad diarrhea I didn't know
if I
would be able to take the oil drink and go right to bed like Hulda
Clark says
in her book. I had no problem getting the oil and grapefruit juice
down at
all. Didn't think it was that bad. The ornithine tablets really
helped me
sleep, but woke up about one  a.m. really nauseated. Didn't think I
could get
back to sleep but I did. This morning have passed about 40-50 stones.
Mine
are all tan though. And there is so much chaff in the water its hard
to even
see them. The chaff looks like thick birdseed stuff,, can't really
explain
it. Like the stones but not formed yet. And there was a ton of it.
There was
no pain, but I'm really weak and am sick of being nauseated. I know I
won't
do it again in 2 weeks like some do,, but maybe a month????Can't say
I feel
great like some people say afterwards,, just cleaned out, but then
just the
epsom salts would have done that.
Bobbie
--- End forwarded message ---

--- In cancercured@y...,

"Dave Perkins" <dperkins@b...> wrote:



FYI here is a history of my disease and what I did to survive.
While these things worked for me, everyone is different.  I hope
you will be able to get some information from this that you can
use.

DAVID PERKINS (Born 11/19/40 (60 yrs.)
CHRONOLOGY OF NON-HODGKINS T-CELL LYMPHOMA

8/96  Admitted to Cobb Hospital w/ 103 temp, diarrhea, and
vomiting.  Transferred to Veterans Admin. Hospital after 2 weeks
with a diagnosis of Endocarditis. NOTE: Endo. was diagnosed one
day before transfer - there was no sign of it the next day or
ever again.

9/96  Non Hodgkins T-Cell Lymphoma , stage 4B diagnosed.  Had 6
rounds of C.H.O.P. chemotherapy at the V.A.  NOTE: approx. 5
weeks in intensive care before diagnosis.

12/96  Cancer in remission.

8/97  Started running very high fevers (104 - 105) -  no cancer
could be diagnosed.

11/97  Spleenectomy performed; bone marrow and liver biopsy
negative.

12/97  CT Scan showed mass on L5 and into the soft tissue.  Began
chemo - Cytobaum (C.H.O.P. + ).

4/14/98  Autologus stem cell transplant at V.A. Hosp. Nashville,
TN.  In hosp. Approx. 60+ days.

6/98  Remission - no signs of Lymphoma

5/10/99 - 5/18/99  Hospitalized w/ fever and dehydration - had a
very bad drug reaction.  Bone marrow biopsy, CT scan and many
other tests over the next  1½ months showed no cancer.  Fevers
continued until chemo. started in Aug.

6/25/99 (approx.) CT scan showed 10cm mass in lower Rt. Abdomen.
At this time I was told "there is nothing more we can do - you
are terminal"

8/6/99 Signed up for Phase II Interleukin 4 (boosts immune
function) trial to avoid further Chemo. and to boost, rather than
destroy, my immune system.

8/9/99 Interleukin trial cancelled before I could get started

8/9/99 - 8/13/99  V.A. Hosp., "Salvage Chemo." administered (3
day continuous infusion E.S.H.A.P. - high dose Solu-Medrol,
Cisplatin, Cytarabine, plus Prednesone). - the worst Chemo. I
ever received.  This is what they give you when "They" have lost
hope and "know" you aren't going to recover.

9/14/99 - 9/16/99  Second round chemo. as above.

Medically they consider this salvage chemo.  i.e. "It will
probably go into remission but it will be back in a short time"
(and I will not be able to tolerate continual chemo. regimes).
My diagnosis as of June '99 was "terminal"

I firmly believe that I can overcome this disease and the
recurrences through alternate therapies designed to detox my
systems and build up my immune system. (My comments in Sept. of
'99)

Update Note: Well beyond my one year "anniversary" of the
traditional Medical community designation of "terminal" and doing
GREAT!!

HIGHLIGHTS OF CURRENT PROCEDURES
Sept 1999 - Sept. 2000

- Green juicing (kale, char, parsley, cilantro, cucumber, celery,
collards, beet, diakon, ginger, w/ enough carrot to make
palatable - combine as available - 32oz per day - dropped off to
16 oz. daily and/or 32oz. of  "Energy Soup" per Ann Wigmore
recipe.

- Colonic irrigation - Began in Sept. 99 - weekly; Oct-Nov.
bi-weekly; now every 3 to 4  weeks

- Coffee Enemas - 5-6 times/week; began Dec. 99;  went to 2-3
times/week since April 00.  Implant 4.5 oz. Chlorophyll w/ ½ Tbs.
of Bifidus and ½ tsp. Lactobacillus complex. (If this generates
too much gas I eliminate the Bifidus and L. Bacillus).
Infrequenty now.

- O3 (ozone) therapy -   .5L one min. rectally (immediately after
my enema) began Dec. 99. Discontinued after March 00 as I
continued to use the Ionized Alkaline Water

- Using "Rife" device (bio frequency therapy) daily - began in
Sept. 99.

- Dental mercury removed - Nov. 10 - Dec. 6.  Two root canals
pulled; two remain.

- Mercury detox. per Dr. Tate DDS "synopsis" (eggs poached in
coconut oil w/garlic daily - sulphur helps pull the mercury out)
plus; DMPS chelation 12/8, 12/22. (infrequently since then)

- Nutritional IV's (25 grams "C" w/ various B vits.) started in
Sept. 99 - weekly until end of Oct. 99.  Then went to 25 grams IV
Vit. C - weekly; began 12/18/99; started 50 grams 1/8/00 (home
administered to make affordable) - infrequently now

- IV DMSO began 1/6/00 w/beta glucans and aloe - weekly,
bi-weekly since April 99.  Intermittently since then.

- 15 min. on "Rebounder" (mini trampoline) most days to oxygenate
my system and stimulate lymph movement. (infrequently now)

- 15 min. on "Chi" machine most days (with oxygen via nose
canula) - same reasons as "Rebounder".  Aggravated old knee
injury, suspended March 00

- 10 min. in sauna (185 to 198 degrees) daily at local "Y" for
detoxification, including 3-4 min. of "dry brushing" to stimulate
lymph flow

- Avoiding white flour; sugar; fruits; alcohol & most grains.
(get rid of Candita)  Cancer Loves Sugar - stay away from it -
don't feed it things it likes that make it prosper.

- 30-40 oz. "Ionized Alkaline water" purchased from a woman who
has a water ionizing unit that splits filtered water into "acid"
and "alkaline" components. This helps to make the water's oxygen
more available to me at the cellular level, which helps detox my
body at the cellular level.  Purchased my own Water Ionizer
(after finding a good unit that I could afford) in March 2000 and
now use it for all cooking, drinking etc. Generally drink about
80 oz @ 8.5 to 9 pH daily.

- Four cups of Green Tea daily - made with the Alkalized water

- Colloidal Silver 1 to 2 oz. Per day of  5 to 10ppm strength - I
make myself.

- As of Sept. 2000 I have been incorporating many more raw and
living foods into my diet.  I am currently about 70% to 80% raw.
This is very alkalizing, also the chlorophyll in green vegetables
carries a lot of oxygen. Not cooking your food (not heated above
108 degrees) leaves all the enzymes intact that allow for easy
digestion. You save the energy your body normally uses to produce
the enzymes necessary to digest cooked food, plus all the
nutrients, that would be destroyed by cooking, are available to
you.  Your body can then use this energy and the nutrients to
help you regain (or maintain) your health.  Many cancer patients
have recovered (even after they were told they were "hopeless")
by going on a 100% living food diet.

Get hold of some information from Ann Wigmore's books.
The healing foods she recommends are:

- Wheat Grass Juice
- Rejuvilac (made from sprouting then soaking soft pastry wheat
berries - drinking the "juice"
- Energy soup - a blended mixture of green sprouts, rejuvelac (or
water),
bukwheat lettuce, avacado and other things
- Cultured Vegetables - fermented cabbage etc.

                        Supplements, herbs:
*Beta-1, 3-D Glucan 1500mg first in AM - empty stomach (500mg.
per 50 lbs. of body weight for a Theraputic dose) Excellent
Immune modulator - Maximizes the Appropriate Immune Response.
I consider this My Most Important "supplement" and ONE I STRONGLY
RECOMMEND, particularly if you are dealing with a chronic or life
threating illness.


MSM 1000mg x5   (Note: means 5 ea. 1000 mg. capsules each time)
IP6 500mg. x6
MGN3 (Arabinaxylane compound) 250mg x2 (very expensive ARA6 is
supposed to be the same thing) - I have discontinued this one.
ARA6 (Arabinogalactan) (Larix occidentalis extract) 500mg. x6
Bio Zyme (Pancreatic enzymes) 325mg.  x12
Jarro-Zyme (Porcine Pancreatic enzymes) 425mg. x4
Freeze dried Calf Liver 1 t. w/carrot juice x1
Pregest "cultured enzymes" x4
Sea Cure (White Fish) 500mg. x9
CoQ10 120mg x2
Alpha Limpoic acid 300mg (timed release) x2
Milk Thistle 80mg. x2
Garlic 12 mcg/gram x2
Selenium 200 mcg x2
Lecithin 1200mg x2
Magnesium 300mg. & Potassium 40mg. Asportates x2
Vit. E  400iu x2
Folic acid 800mcg. x1
Vit. B Complex 50mg. X2
Zinc x3
Cod Liver Oil capsules x2
Flax Oil 4Tbs. w/ home made Kefir
Ground Flax seed Tbs. x3
Ground (together) sunflower, sesame and pumpkin seeds Tbs. x1.5
Green Powder (Presently, Barley Greens)
Calcium Ascorbate 4 grams 2 times/day
L-Glutamine 3,800mg. x1
Broken cell Chlorella 6 grams x1
Bernadine HCL  520mg. w/ Pepsin 20mg. taken with meals.
Toco - food based vitamin/ mineral complex 1T x4
Homeopathic as recommended

Note: This list is what I was taking (most of them 3 times a day)
when I first began my recovery. I'm sure this is excessive,
however, I was trying to do all I knew, at the time, to "blast"
the cancer out.
I have since reduced the frequency of my supplements to once per
day, or less often, since introducing more raw and living food
into my diet and consistantly drinking Ionized Alkaline Water.  I
also no longer feel it necessary take all the supplements on the
list (nor can I afford it).

Dave Perkins
"enjoy being"

email: dperkins@b...
web site: www.betterwayhealth.com

>From: Raushanah Najeeullah <blisbomber@...>
>Delivered-To: mailing list testimonials@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:08:52 -0700 (PDT)
>Reply-To: testimonials@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [testimonials] first flush
>
>I completed my first flush this past wednesday and I must say I feel great!!
>I am an active 23 year old and I hit the gym at least 3x's a week.  I tried
>to fast at least one weekend a month during school, and my love of
>rollerblading and a pretty decent diet w/plenty of fruits and veggies
>convinced me that I was fairly healthy.  I only tried the flush because I am
>on this list and have received so many e-mail spouting positive results.
>After completing the cleanse, I got out 200-300 pea green globs that got
>smaller and smaller w/each BM (is this what should have happened?). I had no
>idea of how run-down I was!! My outlook is a lot more positive, and my mood
>had improved tremedously.  I also noticed that I don't crave the junk food
>that kept me going while pulling those all-nighters!  I can't wait to do
>this again in another two weeks, and my boyfriend was so impressed w/the
>results he says he will try it too.
>Join the fight against cancer!!
> millioncancerpatientmarch.org
>

--- In gallstones@y..., "SofTek" <softek@r...> wrote:
Just did my first flush!!! (Took me over a year to work up the pain
to try
it).  My history: Mid 30's female (5 children) somewhat overweight,
otherwise good health, with an incapacitating attack a year ago
requiring a
midnight trip to the ER (was breastfeeding at the time). The doctor
recommended surgery then, as the ultrasound showed many large
stones...I
declined, saying there must be an all-natural way and I was going to
find
it.  He put me on actigall, which I only took that for a couple of
months.
Two nights ago, I was experiencing major discomfort and quite a bit
of pain
just below ribs on my right side (after a BBQ which included too many
hotdogs and greasy chips).  The pain was still with me yesterday
morning, so
I declined to eat anything and searched the net for a flush/cleanse.
I
ended up drinking an entire container of Minute Maid apple juice
(frozen
from concentrate and mixed with 3 cans of water), as I couldn't find
any
fresh juice in our town.  After 6:00 pm and several trips to the
potty, I
quit drinking the juice. I then mixed 1 cup of all natural cold
pressed
extra virgin olive oil (Filippo Berio, as it was the greenest I could
find)
and the juice of 10 large lemons (strained, they equaled about 1 cup).
Beginning at 7:30 I started with 2 oz and lay down on my left side
with
knees up toward my chest.  Every 15 minutes I downed another 2 oz
until the
entire 16-oz mixture was consumed.  To keep from vomiting (I never
could
stand the smell of olive oil or anything cooked in it), I took a very
small
sip of V-8 juice after each dose.  I slept most of all night (with the
exception of the thunderclaps, as we had a storm). When I woke up this
morning I didn't have the urge to eliminate, just nausea. So I was
afraid it
was all for nothing. But around 8:30, it took.  There were over 100
small
"stones".  I was expecting larger ones, like on the ultrasound. I
made a
couple more trips over the course of the morning with the same
results.
Finally just before noon, I passed the "big" blackish ones (1/2 inch
to over
1 inch!) And some that were large, flat, and grayish. The nausea is
now gone
and I was able to eat some soup for lunch. I feel better than I've
felt in a
long, long time!!!!

Shona :0)
--- End forwarded message ---

--- In gallstones@y..., Leslie Bocskor <futrgamr@y...> wrote:
Hi All:

I am new to this group and unfortunately not new to
gallstone related problems.  Or so I believe.

I am hoping that the information I am shazring can
help others get insight into their issues and as well,
hopefully find people who can help me get insight into
my problems.

I was diagnosed with gallstones after a visit to the
emergency room with what I thought was food poisoning.
Ultrasound showed the presence of a few stones.  This
was in '95 or '96.  Over the years, following
particularly large, fatty, or cheesey (dairy laden
(-;) meals I would have an 'attack'.  Same every time,
increasing pain, wake up around 2-4 A.M., severe pain,
take a hot bath, drink lotsa water, take a vicodin or
codeine if I had em, and get back to sleep in four
hours or so.  SOmetimes I would be stupid and not pay
attention the next day, and eat something oily and
have pain, and not an attack.

This would happen about one a quarter at most.
Maybe less.  I have prolly had around ten to tweleve
attacks total.

11 days ago I did it again.  Fatty foods (the rare hot
dog binge, I eat mostly vegetarian) led to an attack.
The next day, I ate pretty well, some oily stuff, but
not huge amounts, and it was too much.  A pretty bad
attack on Monday (the first was Sunday).

HERE IS THE IMPORTANT STUFF.

Major attack again on Thursday (three days after
second consecutive daily attack) and it started
without eating anything but chicken soup and very low
fat foods.  Same type of pains.  Friday I decide to
fast and also did not drink any coffee ( I am a daily
coffee drinker) and only drank juice and soda and tea
and water all day.  Pain was still there, but more a
constant dull pain that would go in and out.  Had some
left over Vicodin from a dental scrip that helped a
bit, also took some aleve that helped.  Still had the
pain through the weekend.

Whenever I would eat even the mosty basic foods
(vegetable broth with some noodles) I would still get
pretty substantial pain on Saturday, Sunday, and
Monday.

On Tuesday (yesterday) I did the flush (epsom, oil,
grpaefruit juice, ornithine variety) without eating
any food at all (although I had my first cup of cofee
in days and felt better than I had in days afterwards,
I wonder why).  This morning I had around twenty maybe
thirty stones, about ten of whic were at least 3/4 of
an inch long and half as wide.

Problem:  I still have pain.

Does anyone relate to, or have similar experiences
that can help me figger this out?
If so, please email me at:

futrgamr@y...

Thanx

--- In gallstones@y...,

"Val & Mario" <lang4@m...>

wrote:


I have had three attacks and a ultrasound on my gallbladder where
they did indeed find stones. The doctor is having a surgeon call me
this week. I decided I did not want surgery and if the gallstones are
in there I asked why and how why they formed. That very night I was
on the internet doing my research and came apon "The flush". I said
to my self what could I lose. So the following Saturday I tried it.
And guess what? I am feeling much better. And had no pain what so
ever. And everthing they said would happen did. I past a few of
something that looked like stones (black ones also) Plus green stuff.
I have had a fullness in my abdomen since my last attack. And now it
is gone. I plan on doing this for the rest of my life. Starting with
every two weeks until they are gone then every six months there
after. I would recommend this to my family and will.  And when the
surgeon office calls to tell me to come in for and appointment you
know what that answer will be.
Thanks for making this so availble to so many.
Many Thanks
Val


--- End forwarded message ---

In bowelcleanse@y...,


  anitagriggs@y... wrote:



I have been on a deep tissue cleansing juice fast for 18 days.  Four
days ago I did a liver flush according to my N.D.  Nothing happened
until last night.  In my nightly enema (which continually produces
horrid material) I passed a couple hundred light green things the
size of GRAVEL which floated on the top of the toilet water.  A few
were bigger and one was 1/4".  ARE THESE GALLSTONES?  They don't
look like any of the pictures I've seen.  I mashed one and it looks
just like cooked split peas.  I've been on apple juice fiber drinks
4x
a day for 18 days so this might produce the soft material.  I was
rather excited because I thought my flush didn't work.  I am doing
another flush tonight, but a slightly different method.

By the way, thanks for the great tip on this site of making capsules
for the Epsom Salts part of the flush.  My N.D. didn't tell me to do
Epsom Salts, but I'm going to do it tonight.  I have the little tray
that makes capsules due to three years of making my own caps for
menopausal symptoms; so I'll use it tonight with the Epsom Salts.

GRAPEFRUIT SEED EXTRACT.  My N.D. suggested I use 10 drops of GSE for
parasites.  I'm putting it in my apple fiber drink (for three days
now).  Has anyone heard of using GSE for parasites?  If so, how
effective is it?  I haven't read anything about it.

Anita Griggs, age 53
Southern California


--- End forwarded message ---

--- In gallstones@y...,

"robert mcmullan" <mcfam12@m...> wrote:



Randi, did you only purchase the GCG and not the other herbs? I sleep
so
much better now. I was getting up 4 or 5 times a night. Now only
about 2. I
still have 3 calcified stones to get rid of. I had done 15 flushes and
failed to pass these. I believe my liver needed decongesting. Mine
are 1.3
and two 1.0 cm. laura

--- In gallstones@y...,

"John P" <liquid_29@h...>

wrote:



Naomi,

Scientists/Doctors observe and note the results of experiments and
report
these as 'fact'.  We create a theory then attempt to disprove the
theory,
thus making it fallacy.  I view this group as a conglomeration of
researchers that are personally observing and loggin the results of
their
experiments and sharing these results with their peers.

Therefore, please accept this "Case Study" as fact.

Last January, after our second child was born, my wife exhibited
acute  pain
concentrated in her middle back and radiating into her lower back and
right
side.  Her first attack occured during a weekend with family where a
pork
rich diet of fatty ham, sausage and gravies were consumed.  She also
was
drinking 3 glasses of whole milk per day with the belief that as a
nursing
mother her body needed these nutrients.  Within hours after the meal,
she
was complaining of mild an nondescript symptoms that were treated
using an
OTC antacid.  After finding no relief from this, and seeing her
curled up in
a fetal position I determined that we would go into ER.  We were in a
remote
location and it woud have taken 2 hrs to reach our provider
Hospital.  She
vomited several times, and the pain ceased within a half hour.

2 more similar episodes later found us in the ER where she was told
that she
more than likely had gallstones as this is common in women after
childbirth
due to increased hormone levels.  We were sent for a 'sonogram' and
'multiple' stones were revealed.  During our surgical consultation,
the
physician stated that removal of the gall bladder would be
necessary.  When
asked about alternate means, we were scoffed at and told
(condesendingly)
that surgery was the only reliable means to end the pain.

As fate(luck) would have it, our insurance was cancelled.  We were
forced to
explore alternate methods.  After exhaustive research online and
correspondence with people who experienced (Key word) the same if not
similar symptoms and circumstances we used our new found knowledge
and began
a very controlled and regimented process.  We modified our diet,
began a
proactive treatment that consisted of the same herbs and remedies
that many
Pharmacuetical Firms use to distill their expensive medications.

She has been pain free since March.  Her last espisode prior to
beginning
our program put her in bed over a two day period. (She was averaging
one
episode every two weeks.)

We have yet to do a flush, she is nursing and we don't want to lose
her
milk.  But she did  not have her gall bladder removed (At 26 we felt
that it
would be good for her to have all of her organs in place unless it
was life
threatening or chronic)

These are facts.  I don't have an MD or PhD after my name, so they
may be
viewed as less qualified, but these are real world occurances.

When in doubt, get a second opinion.

Good luck.

John




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--- End forwarded message ---

--- In gallstones@y..., ranefjord@h... wrote:
Hi

I believe they are gallstones. I've heard alot of different
explainations about why its not gallstones. The most common is that
the magnesiumsuphate (epsonsalt) and the olivoil mixes up and get
hard. Well, I dont use epsonsalts and it works for me. I've tried it
without any juices too, same result, so its not the grapefruit-
olivoil blending either. I totally believe its gallstones, since I
can feel the bigs one roll out (it stings abit too) and I totally
feel alot better when its a successfull cleans.

take care

/Jens
--- End forwarded message ---

--- In gallstones@y..., "Dax" <dax@b...> wrote:
OK...I did my second flush....and more success!

It's now nearly 10am (nearly time for my first fruit juice!) and so
far I have passed around 100 stones - mostly green, 1 black and a few
tan.

The last flush saw mostly tan stones with just a few green.

I used exactly the same recipe as last time...same time of day,
everything exactly the same but there were less stones this time
(around a third of the stones expelled last time), which kinda
kyboshes the idea that these stones are soap from Olive Oil.

I feel great and can't wait to enjoy some lunch!

I would love to hear about the flushes people have had success with
without using the Epsom salts. I was concerned about the bile ducts
opening as I had been diagnosed with 2 gallstones and didn't want to
risk getting them stuck.

:)
Dax
--- End forwarded message ---

--- In gallstones@y...,

TomLaBresh@a... wrote:


      Excellent Letter !  I wish to share a bit about cleansing. I
have done
only Two cleanses.  The first one was more like Green Cheese Puffs
coming out
BUT the Second I had over 200 Green Bile-Balls !  (Nice 'Parlor
Trick' but I
feel better.)  I did not have PAIN before, during or after my flush.
I
realise that the Toxins housed in my GUT may well be promoting my
Multiple
Sclerosis.  My vision and Dizzyness have improved a bit...I Gotta DO
More
Flushes !
      It took over a YEAR to build up the courage to FLUSH.  A
neighbor friend
encourged me.  They regained their health by Flushing...afterwards
showed
Doctors AND the Docs ignored, discouraged and Damaged my friend with
testing.
  (Three quarts in a Barrium Enema held in until X-rays showed damage
to
Colon.)                Any wonder why I do not trust Doctors?
My friend had sores all over their body.  Three years study has given
my
friend a "PHD" in healing...they recommend:
      Juicing Apples AND Carrot juice for three days before Flushing
(nuttin
BUT fresh-home-juiced Apples n Carrots)
      Epson salts (optional if Free-flowing Bowels)
      1 Pint Olive Oil (Extra-Virgin First-Cold-Pressed)  with
      1 Pint Lemon Juice (higher acidity)  can be consumed in 15
minute
increments a 'shot' at a time (1 shot Oil w/ 1 shot Lemon)
(I chugged the whole Quart and did OK)...
   The book "Are You Stoned" by Bernard Jensen is excellent.
***the proof is in the jar***
-Tom-
--- End forwarded message ---

--- In gallstones@y...,


  pegasusporter@y... wrote:


Hi,
If you wish to read back in the archives on the saponification issue
put the number 2183 in the msg box at the bottom of this page and
press go. It will take you back. Then just go back to around the 2000
message for the complete discussion.
I did forget to mention that my husband now finds that his digestion
is great now. He was having to take a lot of antacids to aid his
indigestion before. He has a lot more energy and feels great he
says.I guess the gallbladder being blocked with stones is now clear
so that his intestine is receiving a good dose of bile for digestion.
He says he reckons he passed about 150 stones of varying size and
shape and consistency.

Hi from Joe:

Several yrs ago I was told to get my gallbladder chopped
out as a result of an ultrasound test.  Refused several
times; found some who had who said they sort of adapted
but had troubles handling fats [forever].

If your sole source of info is ultrasound, absolutely
refuse surgery.  About 98% of gallstones are mushy &
will pass thru the plumbing during a conventional
cleanse.  You need an X-ray to detect calcified stones
that might be too big, some also have jagged edges
sticking out which could slit the tubes along the way.
If this happens to be so for you, you'll loose your
gallbladder.  Seems they all refuse to do only that
necessary - just take out the objects.  Makes you wonder
if they have a budget problem at your expense.

Bye.

--- In gallstones@y...,

"Jane Moran" <Jane.Moran@t...> wrote:



I can only quote my own experience, but the stones that I flushed out
using a grapefruit
and olive oil flush were identical to the stones that I had taken out
with surgery 12
years ago(gross- but I have them in a little bag the surgeon gave to
me after my op). So,
I very much doubt that they are linked in that way. I am sure that
other people will
agree.
I don't know that you will find many people who have carried on with
the conventional side
of medicine as well as the natural. I certainly took the decision to
walk away from
surgery the second time around.
People certainly need to look into to the flush that will be best for
them, but certain
ingredients are essential. To avoid blockages you need apple juice to
soften up the
stones. Epsom salts enlarge the ducts to allow passage of stones,
grapefruit again breaks
down certain elements of the stones and the olive oil is an enabler
it moves everything
along  and acts as a lubricant.
It is very difficult to get hard and fast proof, but one year ago I
was tired, lethargic,
wanting to sleep all the time, full of constant nagging pain and
sometimes very bad pain.
Now after several natural flushes and looking carefully into my diet,
I feel 95% better.
What can I say that's proof enough for me!!
It has to be your decision to do this, but I think surgery is not for
everyone.
Bye for now Jane

--- In gallstones@y...,

  "Dax" <dax@b...> wrote:



Hi all...

I posted a couple of weeks back with great excitement as my first
ever Liver Cleanse had produced over 300 stones...and today I'm doing
my 2nd flush.  I have to say, my family think I'm crazy to be excited
about drinking Epsom salts and olive oil...LOL!...but after the pain
I experienced with pancreatitis and the after effects of that
infection, flushing is something I do get excited about!

I wanted to ask those who are far more wise and experienced on this
list - is it ok to flush more often than once every 2 weeks?  All the
recipes I have so far found say you can flush once every 2 weeks, but
none have said whether it can be less than 2 weeks and I was just
curious.

I still feel great after my first flush although the last couple of
days I've had a little bloatedness. Nothing like the feelings I had
before, though. AND - I have lost over 10lbs so far by changing my
diet, which is really great news as I do have a weak back from
several operations over the last couple of years. If I can move
another 30lbs in the future, I reckon I will be as fit as I was as a
teenager! Can't wait to go back for my camera swallowing session and
see what the doctors have to say!

I am also taking Black Walnut and Wormwood extract daily along with
Lepicol (bowel cleanser) and drinking lots of lovely applejuice and
cranberry juice. I'm eating much more fresh veg and fruit and, now
the summer seems to have arrived here in the UK, lots of salad...:)

Anyway, I'll let you know how well I do this time and for anyone who
is thinking about doing the Liver Cleanse and is a little unsure, I
can only say I'm amazed that something so natural has made me feel so
incredibly wonderful!  My whole life has changed - my relationships
with my friends and family are better and I have so much more energy
than I did before.  Everyone says how white my eyes are looking and I
have noticed a real change in my complexion, too.  All the pains and
bloatedness I had before my first cleanse were gone the very next
day!  My partner says it's nothing short of a miracle and can't
believe how happy I look these days. I was unsure at first, but I am
so pleased I found the recipe and did the cleanse - this has been a
real milestone for me this time around...:)

Dax
--- End forwarded message ---

--- In gallstones@yahoogroups.com,

"V. Richter" <new_man85@h...> wrote:



Sarah,

I got interested in gallbladder/liver flushes when reading Dr. Hulda
Clark's
book "The Cure for all Diseases".  My Brother in Law had done several
flushes after he started having gall bladder problems and his
galbladder
lost the race against time.  He couldn't get his attacks cleared up
before
he felt compelled to have his gall bladder removed.  Up until I read
Dr.
Clark's book it never dawned on me to do a flush myself, after all I
wasn't
having gall bladder attacks.  I'm 43 years old and don't ever want to
let my
gall bladder get so full of stones that are so big that I start
having
attacks.  I've now done 2 flushes and so has my wife.  We plan to
keep doing
them until we quit getting stones out.  She was much impressed by the
size
of the stones she got out on the first flush.  We both have gotten a
total
500-600 stones apeice in 2 flushes.  I am much impressed by the
immediate
health benefits that both of us have seen.  My allergies are
completely
gone.  She is in the best, most even tempered mood that she's been in
since
I met her 20 years ago.  Her appetite has improved which it needed
to.  Mine
has subsided some which it needed to.  Neither one of us was "sick"
or under
a doctor's care when we decided to do our flushes.  We're just trying
to
stay that way.  No one can make your decision for you, but my
recommendation
is to start your flushing according to the tried and proven methods
discussed here on this list; and save your gall bladder, your money,
and
your health in the process.  Waiting until the pain is more frequent
and
more severe makes surgery more tempting.  You are more fortunate than
many
who have had or now have much more severe gall bladder problems
before they
looked into flushing.

Here's a quote from Dr. Clark's book "The Cure for all Diseases" if
it will
help ease your mind any:

"You may feel a train of stones traveling along the bile ducts like
marbles.
   There is no pain because the bile duct valves are open (thnak you
Epsom
salts!)"

Dr. Clark's flush uses Epsom salt mixed with water to open the bile
ducts
wide.  A few hours later you take the Olive oil and Grapefruit juice
mixture
to cause bile pressure to force the stones out through the open bile
ducts.
There's more to the flush, but the point is that what you've been
doing with
just the oil is not the same as you would do with a flush.  By taking
only
oil, the pressure from the increased bile flow is pushing against
solidly
lodged stones. This causes pain and discomfort.  The epsom salts in
the
Clark flush loosens and dislodges the stones first before the oil is
taken.
I'm still learning myself.  Flushing is fairly new to me, but it's
helped a
lot already.
Best regards,

Vince Richter

--- In gallstones@y...,


bootsy328@y... wrote:


Hi Naomi!

Welcome to the group...  I had 7 attacks until I was able to flush
out most of my stones and change my diet... resulting in felling
great with no symptoms anymore.

Do some research by reviewing the previous posts...  you will find
some terrific info.

Women who are pregnant and/or breast feeding are at a high risk for
gallstones.  I wonder if this is not because of four reasons:

1)  They take too much calcium supplements...
2)  They drink too much milk and eat a lot of dairy... ice cream!
3)  They are often dehydrated and do not drink enough water.
4)  They eat unhealthy fats during pregnancy, ice cream, cheese, etc.

Bile is composed of 4 main ingredients:  Cholestorol, lecithin, bile
salts and water.  If any one of these three things is out of balance,
gallstones can form.  Dehydration is probably a leading cause...

BUT... gallstones require specs of calcium to start the formation.
Milk products provide those specs as any pasturerized milk contains
Casiene...  a gluey calcium substance that was used in making the
first Borden's glue!

My wife has successfully grown 4 children... now 12, 14, 16, and 18
without any milk products... Not in pregnacy, not in breast feeding
and not in anything in our home.  When asked how the childen would
get enough calcium in order to grow healthy bones... see always would
ask the questioner, "How much milk do cows eat?"  We all eat huge
salads every day that most cows would thoroughly enjoy!  The kids
have been healthy as horses with little or no illness and NO green
runny noses... EVER!  Mucus almost always comes from milk products.

Now you may not eat any dairy... but most do...  and the beginning of
your natural healing process is to get off of the milk products and
onto healthy raw foods.

Then follow the flush advice... and add lecithin and flax seed oil to
your daily diet each morning on an empty stomach.  Lastly... drink a
lot of filtered water, at least an extra 3/4 of a gallon a day.

Good luck in your search...

ken a
--- End forwarded message ---

--- In gallstones@y...,


  "robert mcmullan" <mcfam12@m...> wrote:

hello Naomi, I, too breastfed.  I did not have attacks. But, the
cleanses did nothing to bother my daughter. Others will talk to you
about diet and such. I currently am taking herbs to facilitate
flushing out some calcified stones from www.sensiblehealth.com.  I
have done 15 flushes and Anna nursed the whole time and is okay!
Naughty at times!

Take care and good luck. Laura

Hi Betsy,

I don't know if anyone answered this question yet, but here's something you
might want to take a look at:

http://www.drclark.net/info/bowel.htm
[ the whole site is interesting: http://www.drclark.net/info/info.htm - all
the body clean-ups are there ]

I'll quote below what the page says, in case you can't use a browser.

success!

Ilana

At 11:51 8/5/2001 +0200, you wrote:
>I just did Dr. Clark's Liver/Gall Bladder Cleanse with wonderful results. I
>was particularly impressed that the program did not involve ordering special
>"liver cleanse" products.   What a relief it was to only require a few
>simple main ingredients: Epsom salts, grapefruit and olive oil.
>
>Is there a colon cleanse program that similarly utilizes common and easy to
>find ingredients?  I would like to avoid ordering "colon cleanse" goods and
>taking enemas at this time. I am not opposed to enima's, I'm just at a loss
>to find a good, homegrown oral program.

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                                                  The Bowel Program
                                          [As in "The Cure For All Cancers",
1998 edition]

Bacteria are always at the root of bowel problems, such as pain, bloating
and gassiness. They can not be killed by zapping, because the high
frequency current does not penetrate the bowel contents.

Although most bowel bacteria are beneficial, the ones that are not, like
Salmonella, Shigella, and Clostridiums are extremely detrimental
because they have the ability to invade the rest of your body and colonize
a trauma site or tumorous organ. These same bacteria colonize a
can-cer tumor and prevent shrinking after the malignancy is stopped.

One reason bowel bacteria are so hard to eradicate is that we are
constantly reinfecting our-selves by keeping a reservoir on our hands and
under our fingernails.

      So the first thing to do is improve sanitation. Use 50% grain alcohol
in a spray bottle at the bathroom sink. Sterilize your hands after
      bathroom use and before meals.

      Second, use betaine hydrochloride to kill Clostridium bacteria (2
tablets 3 times a day).

      Third, use turmeric (2 capsules 3 times a day, this is the common
spice) which I find helps against Shigella, as well as E. coli. Expect
      orange colored stool.

      Fourth, use fennel (2 capsules 3 times a day).

      Fifth, use digestive enzyme tablets with meals as directed on the
bottle. (But only as long as necessary, because these frequently harbor
      molds.)

      Sixth, use a single 2 tsp. Dose of Black Walnut Hull Tincture Extra
Strength. Add it to ½ glass of water or fruit juice and sip over a fifteen
      minute period. Stay seated until any side effect from the alcohol
wears off.

      Seventh, if you are constipated, take Cascara Sagrada (an herb, start
with one capsule a day, use up to maximum on the label, extra

      magnesium (300mg magnesium oxide, 2 or 3 a day), and drink a cup of
hot water upon rising in the morning. This will begin to regu-late
      your elimination.

      Eight, take Lugol's solution, 6 drops in ½ cup of water 4 times a day.
This is specifically for Salmonella.

It can take all eight to get rid of a bad bacteria problem in a week.
Afterward, you must con-tinue to eat only sterile dairy products. Note that
the
Kidney Cleanse is often effective with bowel problems. Try it also.

You will know you succeeded when your tummy is flat, there is not a single
gurgle, and your mood improves.

(From: "The Cure for All Cancers", p.586f.; copyright notice)


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