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"Dale Williams" <Da_Williams@e...> wrote:


Wow! David, well spoken, for sure, and I can certainly appreciate your
concern, and frustration. I've too have been frustrated with the
medical
profession since my first realization the painful attacks that sent
me to
the emergency room were because of my gallbladder. I was requested to
make
an appointment for surgery within two weeks of my second visit to the
emergency room in three days in February of 1999. I didn't like that
idea
and somewhat ignored my doctor's request. I started my research on an
alternative method of getting out the "Stone" that I was told I had
from the
MRI. I had gotten hold of Julia Chang and others for information
about the
gallbladder and things I might try doing to see if I could avoid
surgery.

Well, as things would have it I was successful in my personal
endeavor. The
picture of my stones is just an example of the number of the ones I'd
gotten
out doing a flush using the Epsom Salts and Cold Pressed Extra Virgin
Olive
Oil with fresh squeezed Grapefruit juice combinations. However, I
didn't
just do the Olive Oil and Grapefruit. I also did colonics with ozone
insufflations to help the liver's healing process by providing more
oxygen
to it in a greater concentration. I also made my own colloidal silver
for
fighting any possible parasites that may be an approximate cause of my
stones formation, or a blockage to my liver's bile ducts.

I'm a strong believer in the process. My doctor, who was really a
great and
supportive guy, actually stated to me and my wife at the last follow-
up
visit to his office in October of 1999 after my last, and most sever
liver/gallbladder attack, that "you can't argue with success". I was
very
fortunate to have him as my doctor because he understood my desire to
keep
my gallbladder, and even though I had to get pain medication, for
dealing
with the attacks I'd get after eating the wrong kinds of food, he
would just
let me know I always had the alterative of surgery available. He, as
a GP,
along with the ER doctors and nurses were surprised to find that my
gallbladder was no longer thickened and was empty of stones with the
last
emergency visit. So was I!

I came to find out that in my attempt to avoid all fats to save my
gallbladder I was causing damage to my liver. I was avoiding all fats
including the EFAs that our bodies need for cellular strength and the
liver
needs for its function. I found this out after ordering and reading
Dr.
Cabot's book "The Liver Cleansing Diet". Since applying the
principles of
her information I've been without a gallbladder attack. It is now
more than
a year.

There are those for whom Dr. Cabot's information may not work, but for
learning about the liver and its function, I can't think of a better
book to
which to point.

Dale
Da_Williams@m...

----- Original Message -----
From: "David McDonald" <puehr@y...>
To: <gallstones@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 2:44 PM
Subject: [gallstones] Questions on flush, Chanca piedra


> I've been reading this discussion group for a few weeks. I'd like
to
> start by thanking all of you for your enthusiasm and advice. The
tone of
> what follows may seem overly hardheaded, but this is because I'm
> frustrated at the difficulty of tracking down well-documented
assertions,
> and at the inability of mainstream medicine and the alternative
health
> advocates to talk to each other productively. Western medicine
tends to
> be highly dogmatic, but has what seems to me a good basic premise,
which
> is that the world makes sense, and therefore can be explained. I'm
not a
> strict rationalist, but I'm very reluctant to subject my body to any
> procedure I don't understand, whether the procedure is offered by
an MD or
> by an alternative health expert.
>
> I have a few questions about natural elimination of gallstones,
which
> perhaps you can help me with.
>
> -the version of the flush which many of you advocate involves Epsom
salt,
> or another magnesium compound. Reportedly the magnesium opens up
the
> ducts. Is there anyone who can cite any scientific support for this
> assertion? I notice there's another version of the flush which
uses just
> olive oil and lemon juice (see
> http://health.microworld.com/html/gall_stone_cleanse.htm). So it
appears
> the flush can work, and work comfortably, without magnesium. Some
cursory
> searches of the medical literature don't show any association
between duct
> dilation and magnesium....
>
> -many accounts of the flush imply that the olive oil itself
trickles into
> the gallbladder, or at least into the ducts, thereby lubricating the
> stones and helping them exit the biliary system. Looking at
anatomical
> diagrams of the gallbladder, ducts, and their relation to the
stomach and
> the duodenum, I'm having trouble seeing how the olive oil could
make its
> way into the ducts or the gallbladder. I'm assuming that the
common duct
> isn't generally hanging open, but has a sphincter to prevent
intestinal
> contents travelling up the duct. Assuming this, I don't see how
the olive
> oil can get in. I suppose there could be metabolites or components
of the
> olive oil which affect the biliary system less directly, via the
> bloodstream. I'm not dismissing the possible efficacy of the olive
> oil--I'm just puzzled.
>
> -some of you have mentioned that you have taken Chanca Piedra
(Phyllanthus
> niruri, or P. amarus). Can any of you report on your results?
Most of
> the web pages offering information on this herb seem to be highly
> derivative of one another, and searches of medical papers on Medline
> reveal substantial research on Phyllanthus, but very little
addressing its
> effect on gallstones. So I'm looking for some anecdotes or
testimonials.
>
> In general, I'm looking for more insight into the actual mechanics
of the
> flush. It may sound as if I'm being highly sceptical, but I'm not--
I just
> want to understand what I'm doing before I do it. I certainly have
more
> confidence in alternative approaches to gallstones than I have in
the
> approach offered by doctors, which favors the knife. My own belief
is
> that there is very likely a non-surgical approach to this problem,
and
> it's just a matter of determining what it is.
>
> One thought which I've had over and over again as I've done
research over
> the last several weeks, is that it's a shame that medical
researchers
> aren't--apparently--researching the alternative approaches to
gallbladder
> disease. It would be pretty simple to design a clinical study to
document
> whether the gallbladder flush is genuinely removing gallstones, or
to
> document which flush method is most effective. Likewise, a study of
> Chanca Piedra would be easy to do. Surely some obscure medical
school
> would like to make a name for itself by either debunking or
corroborating
> the assertions of the alternative health movement.
>
> Regards,
> David
>
>
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