Thanks for the info, Yossy.
I had an adjustment today, and I can stand to have the thing in my mouth,
but it is still unpleasant to eat with it. I'll keep trying to get it
adjusted, and just carry it around to the dentist in a plastic bag. I'm not
really interested in wearing it. Fortunately, most people don't realize that
I am missing lower teeth - I have the front ones, which are the ones that
show.
M

>    From: "yossyman <yossyman@...>" <yossyman@...>
> Before my reline the lower partial flopped around so that the
> denture was usually on top of the food instead of the food being
> under the denture :-)  Since the reline only a little bit of food
> gets under the denture but they aren't big enough to even cause
> discomfort much less cause pain.  My immediates flare out as well
> and sometimes food gets caught right along the bottom edge but they
> have a hard time sneaking underneath because of the soft reline
> material.  So far I have always been able to dislodge the errant
> food pieces with my tongue.
>
> My mom has lower partials as well.  She says she just pops the
> denture up a bit and runs her tongue along her gum and up under the
> denture.  She's had her partial lower for over 20 years.  I guess
> practice made perfect for her.
>
> Good luck taming that lower denture!
>
> Yos
>
> --- In Denture_Dentures@yahoogroups.com, "M. Gamez" <mgamez1@n...>
> wrote:
> >
> > My new lower denture is scary. I cannot talk with it, I cannot
> wear it (major pain and sores). I will put it in tonight and sleep
> with it just so I can prove to the dentist tomorrow what it is doing
> to me.
> >
> > My question is this -- is it common for food to get stuck up under
> a well-fitting lower partial?  The only time I tried to eat with
> this piece of work, I got an impromptu "soft reline" made of the
> food that immediately flew up under it and lodged there with little
> intention of coming back out. (I could never wear this thing during
> the day, as I don't have a private place to jack it out and clean it
> if I eat -- either that, or I couldn't eat anywhere except for home -
> - the way I figure it, I don't need it for cosmetic purposes -- it's
> only the back teeth -- so I don't have to ever put it on again,
> unless I plan to eat a steak at home -- not likely)
> >
> > I don't think this thing fits properly -- when I look at it in my
> mouth in the  mirror, it looks like it has wings out from my gums
> (and it feels like that, too, rubbing against my face and my
> tongue), and those just look like food traps (which they act like)
> to me.  Any input from happy lower partial wearers would be useful.
> I will log on tomorrow morning in case you can come through for me.
> > M
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
>    Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 06:16:43 -0000
>    From: "Ray <riverwind@...>" <riverwind@...>
> Subject: New Denture Wearer
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> My name is Ray, and I am a thirty-six year old graduate student
> working toward a master's in Counseling. My teeth are about shot,
> and I plan to have them removed during spring break in late march.
> I am rather worried about starting back to school after the break
> with no teeth. I have no idea how long it will take to get my
> dentures after my teeth are pulled. However, I am looking forward
> to the ordeal, because I am in misery at present. I am blind, so I
> can't tell if people are looking at me or not, and how they are
> reacting. I have always taken pride in my appearance, because even
> if I can't see myself, others can. I am deeply self conscious, but
> I am determined to get this over with.
>
> I have a mortal terror of dentists, so I've not even visited one
> since March of 1986. I suppose you might say that becoming a
> denture wearer is going to be a bitter-sweet experience for me. I
> am only thirty-six, so it will feel rather uncomfortable in front
> of students and professors, and yet it will be a relief to get rid
> of these noisome teeth. I am not very good at talking about myself,
> so I'll close for now.
>
> Cheers,
> Ray
>
>
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Hi All,

My name is Ray, and I am a thirty-six year old graduate student
working toward a master's in Counseling. My teeth are about shot,
and I plan to have them removed during spring break in late march.
I am rather worried about starting back to school after the break
with no teeth. I have no idea how long it will take to get my
dentures after my teeth are pulled. However, I am looking forward
to the ordeal, because I am in misery at present. I am blind, so I
can't tell if people are looking at me or not, and how they are
reacting. I have always taken pride in my appearance, because even
if I can't see myself, others can. I am deeply self conscious, but
I am determined to get this over with.

I have a mortal terror of dentists, so I've not even visited one
since March of 1986. I suppose you might say that becoming a
denture wearer is going to be a bitter-sweet experience for me. I
am only thirty-six, so it will feel rather uncomfortable in front
of students and professors, and yet it will be a relief to get rid
of these noisome teeth. I am not very good at talking about myself,
so I'll close for now.

Cheers,
Ray

Hi M,

Before my reline the lower partial flopped around so that the
denture was usually on top of the food instead of the food being
under the denture :-)  Since the reline only a little bit of food
gets under the denture but they aren't big enough to even cause
discomfort much less cause pain.  My immediates flare out as well
and sometimes food gets caught right along the bottom edge but they
have a hard time sneaking underneath because of the soft reline
material.  So far I have always been able to dislodge the errant
food pieces with my tongue.

My mom has lower partials as well.  She says she just pops the
denture up a bit and runs her tongue along her gum and up under the
denture.  She's had her partial lower for over 20 years.  I guess
practice made perfect for her.

Good luck taming that lower denture!

Yos

--- In Denture_Dentures@yahoogroups.com, "M. Gamez" <mgamez1@n...>
wrote:
>
> My new lower denture is scary. I cannot talk with it, I cannot
wear it (major pain and sores). I will put it in tonight and sleep
with it just so I can prove to the dentist tomorrow what it is doing
to me.
>
> My question is this -- is it common for food to get stuck up under
a well-fitting lower partial?  The only time I tried to eat with
this piece of work, I got an impromptu "soft reline" made of the
food that immediately flew up under it and lodged there with little
intention of coming back out. (I could never wear this thing during
the day, as I don't have a private place to jack it out and clean it
if I eat -- either that, or I couldn't eat anywhere except for home -
- the way I figure it, I don't need it for cosmetic purposes -- it's
only the back teeth -- so I don't have to ever put it on again,
unless I plan to eat a steak at home -- not likely)
>
> I don't think this thing fits properly -- when I look at it in my
mouth in the  mirror, it looks like it has wings out from my gums
(and it feels like that, too, rubbing against my face and my
tongue), and those just look like food traps (which they act like)
to me.  Any input from happy lower partial wearers would be useful.
I will log on tomorrow morning in case you can come through for me.
> M

quirty writes:
> Of course if there is no real difference in the two i suppose i made
> a wrong dental choice with the wrong dentist and could have saved
> money.

I have the feeling that *most* dentists prefer to make an immediate, which
may or may not be slipshod, and then make a permanent later, because it is
easier (I'm guessing this, based on my experience with my denture -- we had
what was supposed to be the reline to end all relines, and it was a sore
trial.  We are supposed to the next, and last, tomorrow, and it supposed to
work. I am planning to sit in the dentist's chair until it *does* work -- I
have taken the day off, will be the first one in, will sit in the office
while they reline, and will not go away until it is to my liking, if that
takes until 5pm.)  If the dentist can leave the patient with teeth, and have
the patient come back another day to see the cute new teeth, that would be
easier on everyone (it is nasty to sit around the dentist's office waiting
room for hours with no teeth in, let me tell you, especially since it is
overheated)

dmm writes
>. Just for example's sake, I  previewed mine in the wax stage and adjusted
the look of the teeth
> while choosing their color (shade). I also had the gum color changed.

This is cool to know about -- I had no idea that I had this option - I saw
my teeth by accident, when I went in for something else, and the hygienist
thought I was there for the big event, and it just happened that I thought
they were cute.
I didn't know that I could have had the option of saying, no, don't make
that one crooked that way, make it this way. That would have been cool,
because then I could have made a tooth that looks like the tooth everyone on
my mother's side of the family has.
It is so good to have a forum like this one, so that we can find out what
others get, so that, when we are in the position (albeit, again), we can
make more informed choices.

M

That is Great and i will be thinking of you on Wed and be pulling for you!!! I wish i had known that before,guess i may could have saved some money,LOL oh well done deal now...I had just never heard of that before.

I've only had one reline in the 3 yrs and i was not pleased at all with that one so i have not been back.I had trouble with that dentist from the get go anyway.I know i need one but until some money comes in its one day at a time,LOL

Mine are ok but i do have to use Fixedent and i know 3 yrs into it i should not.

Good luck!

quirty

 "M. Gamez" <mgamez1@...> wrote:

>    From: R M <quirty_essence@...>
> Subject: Re: immediates and biting
> I'm not quite sure what it is your saying and i can only go on what i
myself was told.Immed dentures are only for healing,chewing,and having teeth
verses no teeth.
> My dentist told me that Immeds are for people who do not want to walk
around with no teeth while the healing takes place.

Oh, what I am saying is pretty simple.  *My* dentist told me that the
immediates he was providing were intended to be the "forevers" (this fits in
with what I know of my grandfather's experience with dentures).  He said
that, yes, some dentists make "immediates" and then "permanents", and that
he did not do that because it was an added expense to the patient. He told
me that he makes immediates to serve the patient for a good long time.  3-6
months after the extractions, he does a reline, which is intended to resolve
any fit issues, and then the patient is fit to eat an apple.

I am due for a reline on Wednesday -- I will let you know how my experience
jibes with what my dentist has promised.
M
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>    From: R M <quirty_essence@...>
> Subject: Re: immediates and biting
> I'm not quite sure what it is your saying and i can only go on what i
myself was told.Immed dentures are only for healing,chewing,and having teeth
verses no teeth.
> My dentist told me that Immeds are for people who do not want to walk
around with no teeth while the healing takes place.

Oh, what I am saying is pretty simple.  *My* dentist told me that the
immediates he was providing were intended to be the "forevers" (this fits in
with what I know of my grandfather's experience with dentures).  He said
that, yes, some dentists make "immediates" and then "permanents", and that
he did not do that because it was an added expense to the patient. He told
me that he makes immediates to serve the patient for a good long time.  3-6
months after the extractions, he does a reline, which is intended to resolve
any fit issues, and then the patient is fit to eat an apple.

I am due for a reline on Wednesday -- I will let you know how my experience
jibes with what my dentist has promised.
M
>

quirty- don't second guess yourself, that is a dangerous and needless road. most dentist's sites are selling a product and service and 85% of them are canned. it seems better to stick with the jargon that your own dentist uses so that you are both talking the same language. we can debate, dispute, refute, etc but it all boils down to each being pleased with the products and services we bought/received. you seem pleased and that is all that matters. for me, i'll gladly buy a new denture to replace the "immediate"...i'll have a spare and a better denture in the end. but then, that has always been part of the plan for me before the first impression was made (remember, that was with teeth). after researching dentures in general, i am opting for new dentures every two or so. sort of like computer upgrades... we'll all sort it out in the end. 

 take care- dmm  

 "quirty_essence <quirty_essence@...>" <quirty_essence@...> wrote:

--- In Denture_Dentures@yahoogroups.com, dmm <squeaker619@y...> wrote:
> well as i said each dentist is different.i have not heard that an
Immed denture is just as good as a perm and i have not heard of
chosing the color or the look of an Immed.Yes with a perm you have
those options.Of course each  Immed denture is made different to fit
that persons mouth,thats why they do impressions.I also researched
the net and still have not seen that Immeds are made to your taste
nor that they are made for biting.Everything confirms to what i was
told by my own dentist but your dentist may be different.There is
always 2 sides to everthing i guess,but its always good to ask your
dentist and research as much as what you can.Never only take one
persons opinion for it may be wrong.
Of course if there is no real difference in the two i suppose i made
a wrong dental choice with the wrong dentist and could have saved
money.
quirty


> quirty-
> One can bite easily with immediates as most will attest. And, they
are not one way for all since we all had different teeth shapes,
bites and gum colors from the start. Just for example's sake, I
previewed mine in the wax stage and adjusted the look of the teeth
while choosing their color (shade). I also had the gum color changed.
The bite was adjusted and gets adjusted as shrinkage occurs. The
immediate is very customized albeit larger for the reasons you cited.
The only thing to add is I'd believe a denture wearing dentist more
than a theorist. I agree with everything else you stated, especially
the last two paragraphs... great points.
> -dmm
>  R M <quirty_essence@y...> wrote:
> I'm not quite sure what it is your saying and i can only go on what
i myself was told.Immed dentures are only for healing,chewing,and
having teeth verses no teeth.
> My dentist told me that Immeds are for people who do not want to
walk around with no teeth while the healing takes place.Healing after
all teeth have been taken ,takes 6 months to a year.Logic will tell
you that an Immed denture will not fit proper after the gums have
healed,swelling has gone.Relines are common with Immeds along the way
but a perm denture not only fits better but is better on the
gums,fitting better than an Immed ever could,I do not know and some
dentist may disagree but i was told that the Immed denture was for
the sole purpose of chewing and not made strong enough for biting
purposes,With a perm denture you can chose the looks and color, and
bite and chew, also  Immed dentures are made one way for all.
> I would guess that dentist are no different than doctors and each
one can tell you something different,so the best bet is trust your
own dentist and what he tells you,but do ask questions.
> Also its good that since you have access to the internet,look into
all the denture sites and not limit yourself to just groups.Theres
alot of information out there that i wish had been there when i went
thru all this.
> hope this helps,
> quirty
> quirty
>  "M. Gamez" <mgamez1@n...> wrote: >    From: "yossyman
<yossyman@y...>" <yossyman@y...>
> > --- In Denture_Dentures@yahoogroups.com, R M <quirty_essence@y...
wrote:
> > >
> > > .... Also Immeds. aren't made for you to bite with,only to chew
> > your food once you are able to eat more solid foods......
> >
> > I know I will need to get permanent dentures made after about a
year
> > for fitting purposes but this is the first time I've heard that
> > immediates were designed for chewing and not for biting .  Your
> > statement implies that there is a design difference between the
two
> > types of dentures.
>
> My dentist says that the biting ability will be there once the
dentures fit
> very well. He has been promising me that I would be able to bite an
apple
> with *these* teeth (immediates).  So far that hasn't happened, but
then the
> fit hasn't been corrected yet, either.
>
> The biting ability comes when the teeth fit securely, preferably
without
> adhesive.  If they fit securely, and do not "rock", slip, or slide
around in
> your mouth, you can bite, according to what my experienced denture-
wearing
> friends have told me.  When you get an immediate, two factors get
in the
> way: 1)they did the fitting when you still had some teeth, so it is
> approximate, and 2)you have very swollen gums.  As the gums heal
and the
> swelling goes down, the dentures don't fit as well .  (After about
three
> weeks, in my case, I had to start using adhesive).  As the swelling
> continues to go down, the dentures rock can rock around quite a bit
when you
> chew or try to bite something,  particularly if you don't have
lower back
> teeth, as is my case.  The swelling is supposed to be down enough
after 2-3
> months that you can have a reline or a "permanent" which will fit
well
> without adhesive, although I understand that the gums and bone
don't settle
> completely for up to a year after the extractions.
> Maybe that is where most relines/rebases get done?
>
> Some dentists do a reline, or rebase (it seems the terms are
> interchangeable), removing and remaking all of the pink part of the
denture
> (I have no clue as to how they do that, but I have had it done
once, and am
> due to have it done a second time on Wednesday -- this one is
supposed to be
> the charmer).  My dentist says that, with the reline, I should be
able to
> eat well. My sister, who used to be a dental hygienist, told me the
same
> thing.
>
> When I started hearing about "permanents" vs "immediates", I asked
my
> dentist, and he said that many dentists prefer to make a whole new
denture,
> rather than go to the hassle of a full reline/rebase.  I would
imagine that,
> particularly if the lab is offsite, getting a second denture would
be a lot
> easier for most people, as well, because they wouldn't have to be
without
> their teeth waiting for the reline/rebase (my dentist has a lab on
premises,
> so I can sit around and wait for a couple of hours while they do
it)  If you
> have an immediate, and then they make a permanent, you have to pay
for both,
> so the price would be higher.
>
> I hope this helps. (Of course, I am not an expert by any means,
just a very
> curious new denture wearer)
> M
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--- In Denture_Dentures@yahoogroups.com, dmm <squeaker619@y...> wrote:
> well as i said each dentist is different.i have not heard that an
Immed denture is just as good as a perm and i have not heard of
chosing the color or the look of an Immed.Yes with a perm you have
those options.Of course each  Immed denture is made different to fit
that persons mouth,thats why they do impressions.I also researched
the net and still have not seen that Immeds are made to your taste
nor that they are made for biting.Everything confirms to what i was
told by my own dentist but your dentist may be different.There is
always 2 sides to everthing i guess,but its always good to ask your
dentist and research as much as what you can.Never only take one
persons opinion for it may be wrong.
Of course if there is no real difference in the two i suppose i made
a wrong dental choice with the wrong dentist and could have saved
money.
quirty


> quirty-
> One can bite easily with immediates as most will attest. And, they
are not one way for all since we all had different teeth shapes,
bites and gum colors from the start. Just for example's sake, I
previewed mine in the wax stage and adjusted the look of the teeth
while choosing their color (shade). I also had the gum color changed.
The bite was adjusted and gets adjusted as shrinkage occurs. The
immediate is very customized albeit larger for the reasons you cited.
The only thing to add is I'd believe a denture wearing dentist more
than a theorist. I agree with everything else you stated, especially
the last two paragraphs... great points.
> -dmm
>  R M <quirty_essence@y...> wrote:
> I'm not quite sure what it is your saying and i can only go on what
i myself was told.Immed dentures are only for healing,chewing,and
having teeth verses no teeth.
> My dentist told me that Immeds are for people who do not want to
walk around with no teeth while the healing takes place.Healing after
all teeth have been taken ,takes 6 months to a year.Logic will tell
you that an Immed denture will not fit proper after the gums have
healed,swelling has gone.Relines are common with Immeds along the way
but a perm denture not only fits better but is better on the
gums,fitting better than an Immed ever could,I do not know and some
dentist may disagree but i was told that the Immed denture was for
the sole purpose of chewing and not made strong enough for biting
purposes,With a perm denture you can chose the looks and color, and
bite and chew, also  Immed dentures are made one way for all.
> I would guess that dentist are no different than doctors and each
one can tell you something different,so the best bet is trust your
own dentist and what he tells you,but do ask questions.
> Also its good that since you have access to the internet,look into
all the denture sites and not limit yourself to just groups.Theres
alot of information out there that i wish had been there when i went
thru all this.
> hope this helps,
> quirty
> quirty
>  "M. Gamez" <mgamez1@n...> wrote: >    From: "yossyman
<yossyman@y...>" <yossyman@y...>
> > --- In Denture_Dentures@yahoogroups.com, R M <quirty_essence@y...
wrote:
> > >
> > > .... Also Immeds. aren't made for you to bite with,only to chew
> > your food once you are able to eat more solid foods......
> >
> > I know I will need to get permanent dentures made after about a
year
> > for fitting purposes but this is the first time I've heard that
> > immediates were designed for chewing and not for biting .  Your
> > statement implies that there is a design difference between the
two
> > types of dentures.
>
> My dentist says that the biting ability will be there once the
dentures fit
> very well. He has been promising me that I would be able to bite an
apple
> with *these* teeth (immediates).  So far that hasn't happened, but
then the
> fit hasn't been corrected yet, either.
>
> The biting ability comes when the teeth fit securely, preferably
without
> adhesive.  If they fit securely, and do not "rock", slip, or slide
around in
> your mouth, you can bite, according to what my experienced denture-
wearing
> friends have told me.  When you get an immediate, two factors get
in the
> way: 1)they did the fitting when you still had some teeth, so it is
> approximate, and 2)you have very swollen gums.  As the gums heal
and the
> swelling goes down, the dentures don't fit as well .  (After about
three
> weeks, in my case, I had to start using adhesive).  As the swelling
> continues to go down, the dentures rock can rock around quite a bit
when you
> chew or try to bite something,  particularly if you don't have
lower back
> teeth, as is my case.  The swelling is supposed to be down enough
after 2-3
> months that you can have a reline or a "permanent" which will fit
well
> without adhesive, although I understand that the gums and bone
don't settle
> completely for up to a year after the extractions.
> Maybe that is where most relines/rebases get done?
>
> Some dentists do a reline, or rebase (it seems the terms are
> interchangeable), removing and remaking all of the pink part of the
denture
> (I have no clue as to how they do that, but I have had it done
once, and am
> due to have it done a second time on Wednesday -- this one is
supposed to be
> the charmer).  My dentist says that, with the reline, I should be
able to
> eat well. My sister, who used to be a dental hygienist, told me the
same
> thing.
>
> When I started hearing about "permanents" vs "immediates", I asked
my
> dentist, and he said that many dentists prefer to make a whole new
denture,
> rather than go to the hassle of a full reline/rebase.  I would
imagine that,
> particularly if the lab is offsite, getting a second denture would
be a lot
> easier for most people, as well, because they wouldn't have to be
without
> their teeth waiting for the reline/rebase (my dentist has a lab on
premises,
> so I can sit around and wait for a couple of hours while they do
it)  If you
> have an immediate, and then they make a permanent, you have to pay
for both,
> so the price would be higher.
>
> I hope this helps. (Of course, I am not an expert by any means,
just a very
> curious new denture wearer)
> M
>
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One can bite easily with immediates as most will attest. And, they are not one way for all since we all had different teeth shapes, bites and gum colors from the start. Just for example's sake, I previewed mine in the wax stage and adjusted the look of the teeth while choosing their color (shade). I also had the gum color changed. The bite was adjusted and gets adjusted as shrinkage occurs. The immediate is very customized albeit larger for the reasons you cited. The only thing to add is I'd believe a denture wearing dentist more than a theorist. I agree with everything else you stated, especially the last two paragraphs... great points.

-dmm

 R M <quirty_essence@...> wrote:

I'm not quite sure what it is your saying and i can only go on what i myself was told.Immed dentures are only for healing,chewing,and having teeth verses no teeth.

My dentist told me that Immeds are for people who do not want to walk around with no teeth while the healing takes place.Healing after all teeth have been taken ,takes 6 months to a year.Logic will tell you that an Immed denture will not fit proper after the gums have healed,swelling has gone.Relines are common with Immeds along the way but a perm denture not only fits better but is better on the gums,fitting better than an Immed ever could,I do not know and some dentist may disagree but i was told that the Immed denture was for the sole purpose of chewing and not made strong enough for biting purposes,With a perm denture you can chose the looks and color, and bite and chew, also  Immed dentures are made one way for all.

I would guess that dentist are no different than doctors and each one can tell you something different,so the best bet is trust your own dentist and what he tells you,but do ask questions.

Also its good that since you have access to the internet,look into all the denture sites and not limit yourself to just groups.Theres alot of information out there that i wish had been there when i went thru all this.

hope this helps,

quirty

quirty

 "M. Gamez" <mgamez1@...> wrote:

>    From: "yossyman <yossyman@...>" <yossyman@...>
> --- In Denture_Dentures@yahoogroups.com, R M <quirty_essence@y... wrote:
> >
> > .... Also Immeds. aren't made for you to bite with,only to chew
> your food once you are able to eat more solid foods......
>
> I know I will need to get permanent dentures made after about a year
> for fitting purposes but this is the first time I've heard that
> immediates were designed for chewing and not for biting .  Your
> statement implies that there is a design difference between the two
> types of dentures.

My dentist says that the biting ability will be there once the dentures fit
very well. He has been promising me that I would be able to bite an apple
with *these* teeth (immediates).  So far that hasn't happened, but then the
fit hasn't been corrected yet, either.

The biting ability comes when the teeth fit securely, preferably without
adhesive.  If they fit securely, and do not "rock", slip, or slide around in
your mouth, you can bite, according to what my experienced denture-wearing
friends have told me.  When you get an immediate, two factors get in the
way: 1)they did the fitting when you still had some teeth, so it is
approximate, and 2)you have very swollen gums.  As the gums heal and the
swelling goes down, the dentures don't fit as well .  (After about three
weeks, in my case, I had to start using adhesive).  As the swelling
continues to go down, the dentures rock can rock around quite a bit when you
chew or try to bite something,  particularly if you don't have lower back
teeth, as is my case.  The swelling is supposed to be down enough after 2-3
months that you can have a reline or a "permanent" which will fit well
without adhesive, although I understand that the gums and bone don't settle
completely for up to a year after the extractions.
Maybe that is where most relines/rebases get done?

Some dentists do a reline, or rebase (it seems the terms are
interchangeable), removing and remaking all of the pink part of the denture
(I have no clue as to how they do that, but I have had it done once, and am
due to have it done a second time on Wednesday -- this one is supposed to be
the charmer).  My dentist says that, with the reline, I should be able to
eat well. My sister, who used to be a dental hygienist, told me the same
thing.

When I started hearing about "permanents" vs "immediates", I asked my
dentist, and he said that many dentists prefer to make a whole new denture,
rather than go to the hassle of a full reline/rebase.  I would imagine that,
particularly if the lab is offsite, getting a second denture would be a lot
easier for most people, as well, because they wouldn't have to be without
their teeth waiting for the reline/rebase (my dentist has a lab on premises,
so I can sit around and wait for a couple of hours while they do it)  If you
have an immediate, and then they make a permanent, you have to pay for both,
so the price would be higher.

I hope this helps. (Of course, I am not an expert by any means, just a very
curious new denture wearer)
M



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I'm not quite sure what it is your saying and i can only go on what i myself was told.Immed dentures are only for healing,chewing,and having teeth verses no teeth.

My dentist told me that Immeds are for people who do not want to walk around with no teeth while the healing takes place.Healing after all teeth have been taken ,takes 6 months to a year.Logic will tell you that an Immed denture will not fit proper after the gums have healed,swelling has gone.Relines are common with Immeds along the way but a perm denture not only fits better but is better on the gums,fitting better than an Immed ever could,I do not know and some dentist may disagree but i was told that the Immed denture was for the sole purpose of chewing and not made strong enough for biting purposes,With a perm denture you can chose the looks and color, and bite and chew, also  Immed dentures are made one way for all.

I would guess that dentist are no different than doctors and each one can tell you something different,so the best bet is trust your own dentist and what he tells you,but do ask questions.

Also its good that since you have access to the internet,look into all the denture sites and not limit yourself to just groups.Theres alot of information out there that i wish had been there when i went thru all this.

hope this helps,

quirty

quirty

 "M. Gamez" <mgamez1@...> wrote:

>    From: "yossyman <yossyman@...>" <yossyman@...>
> --- In Denture_Dentures@yahoogroups.com, R M <quirty_essence@y... wrote:
> >
> > .... Also Immeds. aren't made for you to bite with,only to chew
> your food once you are able to eat more solid foods......
>
> I know I will need to get permanent dentures made after about a year
> for fitting purposes but this is the first time I've heard that
> immediates were designed for chewing and not for biting .  Your
> statement implies that there is a design difference between the two
> types of dentures.

My dentist says that the biting ability will be there once the dentures fit
very well. He has been promising me that I would be able to bite an apple
with *these* teeth (immediates).  So far that hasn't happened, but then the
fit hasn't been corrected yet, either.

The biting ability comes when the teeth fit securely, preferably without
adhesive.  If they fit securely, and do not "rock", slip, or slide around in
your mouth, you can bite, according to what my experienced denture-wearing
friends have told me.  When you get an immediate, two factors get in the
way: 1)they did the fitting when you still had some teeth, so it is
approximate, and 2)you have very swollen gums.  As the gums heal and the
swelling goes down, the dentures don't fit as well .  (After about three
weeks, in my case, I had to start using adhesive).  As the swelling
continues to go down, the dentures rock can rock around quite a bit when you
chew or try to bite something,  particularly if you don't have lower back
teeth, as is my case.  The swelling is supposed to be down enough after 2-3
months that you can have a reline or a "permanent" which will fit well
without adhesive, although I understand that the gums and bone don't settle
completely for up to a year after the extractions.
Maybe that is where most relines/rebases get done?

Some dentists do a reline, or rebase (it seems the terms are
interchangeable), removing and remaking all of the pink part of the denture
(I have no clue as to how they do that, but I have had it done once, and am
due to have it done a second time on Wednesday -- this one is supposed to be
the charmer).  My dentist says that, with the reline, I should be able to
eat well. My sister, who used to be a dental hygienist, told me the same
thing.

When I started hearing about "permanents" vs "immediates", I asked my
dentist, and he said that many dentists prefer to make a whole new denture,
rather than go to the hassle of a full reline/rebase.  I would imagine that,
particularly if the lab is offsite, getting a second denture would be a lot
easier for most people, as well, because they wouldn't have to be without
their teeth waiting for the reline/rebase (my dentist has a lab on premises,
so I can sit around and wait for a couple of hours while they do it)  If you
have an immediate, and then they make a permanent, you have to pay for both,
so the price would be higher.

I hope this helps. (Of course, I am not an expert by any means, just a very
curious new denture wearer)
M



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>    From: "yossyman <yossyman@...>" <yossyman@...>
> --- In Denture_Dentures@yahoogroups.com, R M <quirty_essence@y... wrote:
> >
> > .... Also Immeds. aren't made for you to bite with,only to chew
> your food once you are able to eat more solid foods......
>
> I know I will need to get permanent dentures made after about a year
> for fitting purposes but this is the first time I've heard that
> immediates were designed for chewing and not for biting .  Your
> statement implies that there is a design difference between the two
> types of dentures.

My dentist says that the biting ability will be there once the dentures fit
very well. He has been promising me that I would be able to bite an apple
with *these* teeth (immediates).  So far that hasn't happened, but then the
fit hasn't been corrected yet, either.

The biting ability comes when the teeth fit securely, preferably without
adhesive.  If they fit securely, and do not "rock", slip, or slide around in
your mouth, you can bite, according to what my experienced denture-wearing
friends have told me.  When you get an immediate, two factors get in the
way: 1)they did the fitting when you still had some teeth, so it is
approximate, and 2)you have very swollen gums.  As the gums heal and the
swelling goes down, the dentures don't fit as well .  (After about three
weeks, in my case, I had to start using adhesive).  As the swelling
continues to go down, the dentures rock can rock around quite a bit when you
chew or try to bite something,  particularly if you don't have lower back
teeth, as is my case.  The swelling is supposed to be down enough after 2-3
months that you can have a reline or a "permanent" which will fit well
without adhesive, although I understand that the gums and bone don't settle
completely for up to a year after the extractions.
Maybe that is where most relines/rebases get done?

Some dentists do a reline, or rebase (it seems the terms are
interchangeable), removing and remaking all of the pink part of the denture
(I have no clue as to how they do that, but I have had it done once, and am
due to have it done a second time on Wednesday -- this one is supposed to be
the charmer).  My dentist says that, with the reline, I should be able to
eat well. My sister, who used to be a dental hygienist, told me the same
thing.

When I started hearing about "permanents" vs "immediates", I asked my
dentist, and he said that many dentists prefer to make a whole new denture,
rather than go to the hassle of a full reline/rebase.  I would imagine that,
particularly if the lab is offsite, getting a second denture would be a lot
easier for most people, as well, because they wouldn't have to be without
their teeth waiting for the reline/rebase (my dentist has a lab on premises,
so I can sit around and wait for a couple of hours while they do it)  If you
have an immediate, and then they make a permanent, you have to pay for both,
so the price would be higher.

I hope this helps. (Of course, I am not an expert by any means, just a very
curious new denture wearer)
M

>    From: R M <quirty_essence@...>
>if you do get dentures and Immediate ones you still will need the perms in
6-12 months.Also Immeds. aren't made for you to
> bite with,only to chew your food once you are able to eat more solid
foods.

Well, there are two schools of thought on "permanents".  Some dentists will
do a "rebase" on the immediates which will make them good to go forever,
i.e., they *are* the permanents, which will save a little money. That is the
way my dentist has gone, and I am supposed to have a "reline/rebase" next
week, after which everything is supposed to be hunky-dory.  Notice I do say
"supposed to be". That is because this will be my second reline/rebase --
the first made the teeth fit a little better after my gums had shrunk down
(but my dentist said the reason they don't fit absolutely perfectly is that
I didn't have bottom back teeth to help get the fit right, so I'm getting
the lower partial on Wednesday and then we do the reline, and all is
supposed to be just right)
If you get immediates, your gums shrink to where, within two months, the
teeth don't fit well, and you have to be using adhesive. You need to wait to
the 4-6 month time frame *anyway* before you can get a permanent, which
means that you will have to use adhesive (not that big of a deal - you
experiment and find the best one from among recommendations from the lists
and friends).  When your dentist thinks it is a good time to get the rebase
or else a permanent denture, it is supposed to fit like a charm and you are
supposed to even be able to eat an apple.
Now, I do know some people on other lists who got their immediates and were
eating really adventurous things (pizza, apples, nuts, etc.) within a few
weeks.  I have been able to eat fish, chicken, `meatloaf, and even salad
(surprisingly that is harder than a whole lot of things) since about the 4th
week after my extractions.  I only have my immediates. Those are going to be
the ones for a good while -- until I save up and get another set of dentures
made (maybe in another year or so)  Still, there is prcious little that I
can't eat that I could eat before I got the dentures (I couldn't eat a lot
because my teeth were such a mess)
Get the immediates. Your self-esteem, your ability to heal, your ability to
work right away will be worth it.
M

--- In Denture_Dentures@yahoogroups.com, R M <quirty_essence@y...>
wrote:
>
> .... Also Immeds. aren't made for you to bite with,only to chew
your food once you are able to eat more solid foods......

I know I will need to get permanent dentures made after about a year
for fitting purposes but this is the first time I've heard that
immediates were designed for chewing and not for biting .  Your
statement implies that there is a design difference between the two
types of dentures.  What are the physical differences between
immediate and permanent dentures?  Can you point me to a picture of
permanent dentures so that I can see the difference?

Yos

Most all dentist how days have available Immediate Dentures.Most people prefer theses and fit any mouth as they to have to be made according.Most dentist recommend theses and as Margaret mention it does speed the healing process.Also they help with swelling and bleeding,plus you do not have to go 6 months with no teeth.Talk with your dentist about them but also keep in mind,if you do get dentures and Immediate ones you still will need the perms in 6-12 months.Also Immeds. aren't made for you to bite with,only to chew your food once you are able to eat more solid foods.Hope this helps some.

Hi everyone i'm Quirty

 "Margaret Gamez <mgamez1@...>" <mgamez1@...> wrote:

For my money, immediate dentures are the way to go. They really speed
along the healing, and allow you to get back to your life a whole lot
faster.
I have had my immediates for four months. I am not going to tell you
that life has been absolutely perfect, but I have been able to go out
of the house looking decent since day 1.
If you have to get dentures, and if you have to have your teeth
removed, then get immediates, so at least you will have something to
look at.
Margaret

--- In Denture_Dentures@yahoogroups.com, "przxto99 <przxto99@y...>"
<przxto99@y...> wrote:
> Hi,  I Don't have dentures yet, but believe I am a candidate for an
> upper denture. I only recently heard of immediate dentures. Can
these
> be fitted to anyone. or are there any reasons why some people may
not
> be suited to this type of denture?



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For my money, immediate dentures are the way to go. They really speed
along the healing, and allow you to get back to your life a whole lot
faster.
I have had my immediates for four months. I am not going to tell you
that life has been absolutely perfect, but I have been able to go out
of the house looking decent since day 1.
If you have to get dentures, and if you have to have your teeth
removed, then get immediates, so at least you will have something to
look at.
Margaret

--- In Denture_Dentures@yahoogroups.com, "przxto99 <przxto99@y...>"
<przxto99@y...> wrote:
> Hi,  I Don't have dentures yet, but believe I am a candidate for an
> upper denture. I only recently heard of immediate dentures. Can
these
> be fitted to anyone. or are there any reasons why some people may
not
> be suited to this type of denture?

Hi,  I Don't have dentures yet, but believe I am a candidate for an
upper denture. I only recently heard of immediate dentures. Can these
be fitted to anyone. or are there any reasons why some people may not
be suited to this type of denture?

I'm thinking of getting a partial for my four front teeth. I have
two teeth still, but I had the other two pulled because I kept
getting absesses (sp?) and could not afford to do anything else with
them. I'd have my other two teeth pulled because they have shifted
and are crooked, so it would just look better. Now, I have
questions about partials. How obvious is it that a person has
them? I don't want people to look at me and know right away unless
I tell them. Also, what about kissing? Is kissing any different
with a partial? Do you have any advice on them? or is there
anything I should know that perhaps the dentist may not mention?

Hello,

I recently joined this group because I believe I am a candidate for
upper dentures. One of my neighbors recommended a dentist very highly,
and I'll be calling after the holidays for an appointment.

While I am not exactly looking forward to any pain and discomfort
associated with pulling my teeth, I know I'll be very happy once the
work is done and I can smile again after many years of walking around
with ugly teeth. Many of my upper teeth are false teeth over 35 years
old... the enamel is very worn allowing the gold backing to show
through
causing my teeth to appear yellow. These teeth are also badly worn
down so there is a large gap between my upper and lower teeth on
the left side of my mouth, when I smile.

I've learned quite a bit by reading the groups archived messages,
and hope to learn some more from those of you who have already
been there and done that.

My first concern is to learn of all the options available. If the
dentist
tells me about options A, B , and C, I would like to be able to ask
him about options D, E, and F. I am 64 years young, in very good
health, mainly because I don't go to doctors very often, but will
probably schedule an appointment for a check-up very soon to see if
there are any other concerns from a medical viewpoint.

Looking forward to hearing from anyone with suggestions of questions
I may want to ask the dentist at our first meeting.

I'll also take this opportunity to wish you all a very happy and
healthy 2003

Paul ... in Sunny South Florida

--- In Denture_Dentures@y..., Susan Gnesa <segnesa99@y...> wrote:
>
> I just received an immediate denture.
>
> Overall very unpleasant experience.
>
> They will have to remake dentures as they were not made to match my
facial midline...
>
> However, it seems to me that with all the terrific new materials
available for other things, there could be something that would fit
closely in your mouth without rubbing holes in the gums!
>
> Can't chew or bite yet, have lost 5 pounds.
>
> I am a runner and am now concerned about diet!
>
> Love to hear from anyone who has a better experience or who can
help
me feel better about eventually "getting used to" this.
>
> Susan
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>Hi Susan,
I have some experience running with dentures...

I am a gal who has been active in sports all my life and had to make
some adjustments after I got full dentures.  I had a partial upper
plate from the time I was in high school until I was 35.  It got
broken once when I got hit in the mouth playing basketball in
college.
After that experience I removed it when I played sports.

I had all of my teeth extracted when I was 35 and had the experience
of having to adapt to full upper and lower dentures.  I coach girl's
basketball and referee both basketball and soccer games, both of
which
require much running.

After I got my full dentures I had to make some adjustments that I
will share with you.  First, let me say that you should not expect
your immediate denture to fit as well as your next teeth will.  May I
ask if you have both upper and lower dentures as I do?

I had one experience with my immediate dentures that caused me to
face
the reality that they were not going to behave like natural teeth.
Once, during a basketball game, I attempted to blow my whistle to
stop
the play of the game and as I blew my whistle, it slipped from my
mouth and my upper denture flew from my mouth, bounced several times
on the floor and came to rest between the feet of one of the players.
Luckily it was not broken and I grabbed it from the floor and
returned
it to my mouth as quickly as I could, knowing that all the fans and
players were watching.

After that experience I faithfully use denture adhesive during any
physical activities and never lost my teeth again.  After I had my
permanent dentures made which fit much better, I considered
eliminating the adhesive.  It may sound silly, but I actually
practiced blowing at home to test the tightness of my new dentures.

After watching me test my ability to keep my new dentures in my
mouth,
my husband offered me some good advice.  He suggested that I wear my
old dentures and use adhesive as I had been during my athletic
activites.  I took his advice and leave my good teeth at home when I
am involved in sports. I would suggest that you do the same.

The point that I am trying to make is that you will have to adjust to
your dentures because they won't adjust to you.  I hope that you are
happier with them now than when you first posted your message.  Let
me
now how you are adapting to them.  If you want, I can share more of
my
athletic experience with you.

Sheila

I have had full upper and lower dentures for over 10 years and I have
never been satisfied with them, even after having new ones made a year
ago.  I am seriously considering implants, but before I make my final
decision I would like to hear from someone who has them. I would like
to hear about problems as well as benefits.
GG

I've always had bad teeth and I've needed extensive dental work for
years, which I didn't get. Now the situation is so bad that I need
the few teeth I have remaining pulled. Problem is I have a HUGE
phobia about going to the dentist, not because of the pain, but I'm
afraid of getting sick. I'm known as "the gagger". Also, even if I
get the courage and go through it all I doubt I'll be able to keep
dentures in, again because of the gagging factor. Implants would be
great but there's no way I can afford them. I don't know what to do.
I'm in pain all the time and so depressed now and it's affecting
every area of my life. Can anyone offer any help? I feel so stupid.

I was glad to find this site...I am about to have my top teeth pulled
as a child I was on meds that harmed my teeth.Well after 2 boys they
chip, break, I have had filling after filling done and enough is
enough..I have what they call a calcium buildup.My teeth are week so
weak that a piece of sliced sandwhich chesse broke one clear off from
the gum.I am wondering with 2 kids how long will I be down...How long
in swelling..I am getting my teeth the day I get mine pulled...I know
i have heard lots of warm salt water to heal the gums...I just need
to get things in order at home..Cooking hubby burns tea..LoL...Thanks
for your help...

Dear Susan,

I'm a dentist,as I understand from your words that all your upper teeth are
extracted.Don't expect much things from a removable immediate denture it is
temporary,I'm sure that when the extraction sites are healed a permanent and
a nice fitted denture will be prepared for you.
During that time you commonly feed with liquid foods like soup,diet
milk,low-fat yoghurt,milk with commercial food supplements like MEGA MASS
4000,etc,honey with soft bread.
You are not the only person don't worry,I saw people without any teeth in
their mouth eating sandwiches,I guess it is difficult.Contact your dentist
frequently.You will be well soon.Bye


>From: Susan Gnesa <segnesa99@...>
>Reply-To: Denture_Dentures@yahoogroups.com
>To: Denture_Dentures@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Denture_Dentures] New Product Experience
>Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:27:08 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>I just received an immediate denture.
>
>Overall very unpleasant experience.
>
>They will have to remake dentures as they were not made to match my facial
>midline...
>
>However, it seems to me that with all the terrific new materials available
>for other things, there could be something that would fit closely in your
>mouth without rubbing holes in the gums!
>
>Can't chew or bite yet, have lost 5 pounds.
>
>I am a runner and am now concerned about diet!
>
>Love to hear from anyone who has a better experience or who can help me
>feel better about eventually "getting used to" this.
>
>Susan
>
>
>
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--- In Denture_Dentures@y..., Susan Gnesa <segnesa99@y...> wrote:
>
> I just received an immediate denture.
>
> Overall very unpleasant experience.
>
> They will have to remake dentures as they were not made to match my facial
midline...
>
> However, it seems to me that with all the terrific new materials available for
other things, there could be something that would fit closely in your mouth
without rubbing holes in the gums!
>
> Can't chew or bite yet, have lost 5 pounds.
>
> I am a runner and am now concerned about diet!
>
> Love to hear from anyone who has a better experience or who can help me feel
better about eventually "getting used to" this.
>
> Susan
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!


Susan,

When I got my upper denture, there was a high spot that hurt the roof of my
mouth -- I used a nail file to file it down and that solved the problem.  It
sounds like your fit was a bigger problem so you were right to go back to the
dentist.

Paul

Take heart Susan it will get better.  I'm assuming you just had them all extracted, did you get the implants for the bottom?

Ted

 Susan Gnesa wrote:

I just received an immediate denture.

Overall very unpleasant experience.

They will have to remake dentures as they were not made to match my facial midline...

However, it seems to me that with all the terrific new materials available for other things, there could be something that would fit closely in your mouth without rubbing holes in the gums!

Can't chew or bite yet, have lost 5 pounds.

I am a runner and am now concerned about diet!

Love to hear from anyone who has a better experience or who can help me feel better about eventually "getting used to" this.

Susan

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--- In Denture_Dentures@y..., "jim_dawn2002" <jim_dawn2002@y...>
wrote:
> I was wondering why it is that they cant correct an overbite when
> you are getting dentures?  I am going to be getting my teeth pulled
> in a couple of weeks and was hoping for prettier teeth than the
ones
> I currently have when they told me this.
My dentist says that the corrections can cause joint problems in the
jaw.  I broke a little toe and favored that side of my foot when I
ran.  The result was pain in my hip.  Same issue.
However, one would think that there could be SOME djusmtne...

I was wondering why it is that they cant correct an overbite when
you are getting dentures?  I am going to be getting my teeth pulled
in a couple of weeks and was hoping for prettier teeth than the ones
I currently have when they told me this.