HI,
It is me AGAIN!!!!!!! I am soooooooooo excited I am ready to catapult out of
this wheelchair.  My TWO MAJOR ISSUES for the last 3.5 years of this dis-easer
are painful feeling (neuropathy) in my hands and feet and balance.  Today while
I was getting out of the car at Physical Therapy, all of a sudden, I was able to
feel from the tips of my toes all the way through the arches, heels, ankles and
half way up the calves!!!!!! This feeling is not like what most people feel, BUT
any additional sensation is better than ONLY pain.

So I get into the building, get my coat off and I stand up to the walker waiting
for my PT to come. As I do, I realize that I can balance INCREDIBLY using all
those little muscles in my feet that seemed to have magically reappeared!!!!! 
My therapist walks up and I show her how I can flex my feet without loosing my
balance. Her jaw dropped!!!!!!!!

As usual we start walking down the hall towards the PT room.  I am going SOOOOOO
slow as it is extremely difficult to get used to having sooooo much sensation
again.  It would be like if you, all of a sudden, had a dozen feet.  I was
sooooooo excited I could hardly stand it!!!!!!!!!!!! We continued our session
with a bunch of hip stabilization exercises, 2 point which is on my knees,
something that had been difficult because I couldn't feel my hips very well but
today, I could feel every little twinge through my
hips!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was balancing on my knees and
then moving my arms up down around, over, opposite.... I was doing whatever I
felt like doing instead of those rather boring up, down, up down isometrics. 
Then some good music came on and I added a twinge of hip movement WITHOUT LOSING
MY BALANCE.  Suddenly I got quite overwhelmed and started to cry with JOY!!!

From there we went to the parallel bars where I walked without a walker.  The
plan was to take 2 steps and see how it went and soon, I was at the other end of
the bars. I was only lightly resting my hands on the bars, not using them to
lean on!!!!!!!!!  It is SOOOOOOOOOOOO amazing and I am soooo happy.

I've been working my DNA Codes, Removing the cause and effects of this
dis-order, Removing unhealthy & Installing healthy nerve endings, myelin sheath,
Removing trauma, Removing Interference, making all my organs my ally, as well as
doing a lot of the daily lessons Keely sends out.

I have no place to go but forward and I am thrilled to say: I'm going, I'm
going!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  HAPPY, HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!!!! I'M GIVING THANKS TO
AND FOR ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!!!  A special thanks to Sheridan for assisting in
finding a protocol that is WORKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WITH LOVE, Gina VG
A Not for Profit Yoga of Immunity
www.immunics.org

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Gina

Wow! thanks for writing that up for us!

You have made such wonderful progress! You are such an inspiration to us
all. Thank you :-)

After having some severe neurological disturbances a few weeks ago, things
have settled down for me again. I did lots of Immunics, with huge numbers of
removals etc, but I wasnıt really in a state to write anything down at the
time.

Since then, I havenıt had any spare time, not much sleep and some very heavy
demands on the old body, but itıs holding tight, no further problems, so
something worked!

Iıll try your suggestions for removing the muscle and joint twinges I get
whenever it feels like it.

So, thanks again

Vivienne


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HI,
It is with  great pleasure that I share my protocol with you.  To
date I have not yet been able to reduce pain to 0 but...I WILL, VERY
SOON!!!!!!

#1—FIND, REMOVE, REPAIR & RESTORE body by body –
FIND --Do I have a diseased/malfunctioning or damaged spot in my
A,B,C,D in my XX body??
If yes, I REMOVE…………
THEN, I RESTORE & REPAIR A,B,C,D in my XXX body.
THESE ORGANS/GLANDS COULD BE DIFFERENT FOR YOU BUT BRAIN MOST LIKELY
IS NOT.
A--BRAIN
B—PANCREAS
C--THYROID??
D--LIVER??

2—FIND AND REMOVE CONSUMPTION  These are bacteria eat up higher
bodies.
Remove BODY by body –-REPAIR & RESTORE XXX bodies
#3—FIND, REMOVE, REPAIR & RESTORE DNA CODES
?? Do I have any defective DNA codes in my XX body??
I REMOVE defective DNA codes from my XX body??
I REPAIR & RESTORE DNA codes in my XX body.
#4—RNA
#5–INSTALL  Proactions--any you like or test that would be good for
you.
#6-bring all bodies to FULL FUNCTION

XX=each specific body 1 at a time.
After doing this for a few days, I began to add 'Partnering with
Your Organs' stuff.  I can't believe how much better I fell.
WITH LOVE,
Gina VG

Dear Buddies,
I am taking some time off from volunteering with Immunics. I wish you
all well on your grand healing adventures and thank you for the good
care you have taken of me.
Keep on RIK'ing, babe.
Love,
Cynthia

I cured my CFIDS with a not-for-profit yoga of immunity
<http://www.immunics.org/> www.immunics.org



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Vivienne,
Check on the 'Are all of my organs my allies' but even MORE IMPORTANT, TEST
thru the hub : )
HUGS, Gina
www.immunics.org
a not for profit
yoga for immunity
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vivienne Waterworth" <vivienne@...>
To: <immunicsBuddies_Neuropathy@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Neuropathy] GINA VG's CURESSS


>
> Oh Gina Perma Grin
>
> It makes my heart sing to hear you are doing so well! Absolutely
> Fantasmagorical!
>
> It really helps, because Iıve had the opposite kind of week, where Iıve
> had
> seizures and all kinds of other neurological disturbances, right in the
> middle of my busiest working week for 6 months! (Had a deadline that kept
> slipping, one day at a time, and my partner kept blaming my problems on
> stress over this deadline. Ha, if it was stress, then it was more like
> stress over his stress about the deadline, and his incorrect feelings of
> helplessness and anger because he felt powerless to do anything to help as
> it relied on me to do all the work, he thought! There was plenty he could
> do
> to help, but he kept hindering. Such is life without Immunics ­ I even
> worked on him, removing his anger and frustration and installing
> acceptance
> of the situation, the ability to do what he can without stres, and loving
> acceptance and embracing of my physical symptoms), and that settled him
> down
> enormously!!! and got him right off my back! Even made him care about me
> and
> how I was coping with the seizures instead of attacking me for
> deliberately
> setting them off!)
>
> I used Immunics heaps, and it helped enormously, curing all kinds of very
> deep seated emotional issues surrounding the first time I had these
> problems
> 8 years ago, when I did the rounds of 4 doctors, two chiropractors (the
> BEST
> at getting to the cause of my problem), a neurologist and two
> psychiatrists!. (that meant I was able to continue working without
> stressing
> about what was happening to me too much). I also settled my energy system
> down for short periods using Immunics, though the very intense, long
> lasting
> muscle spasms kept coming back. I also had a Kinergetics session that
> found
> huge energy disturbances around my knees (very high above them, to be
> precise), and when she pulled the excess energy out of my feet, it set off
> one of the biggest seizures of the lot. (I never lost consciousness during
> any of them.)
>
> Yesterday I was fine for the first time in four days, though I still felt
> like an invalid who has been through the wringer twice backwards. Still
> doing as much Immunics as I can, though since I couldnıt stop working (Iım
> still working on Sunday morning, after finishing last night at 1.00am), I
> havenıt been able to focus on anything specific.
>
> Once this pressure is off this afternoon, with some mopping up on Monday,
> I
> need to focus more on Immunics, and remove specific things. Iıll try the
> CMV
> virus, as I had CMV 14 years ago, and the Hepatitis virus (30 years ago)
> and
> see where that takes me. Also test what other viruses to remove codes for.
>
> Is there anything else you can suggest I work on?
>
> I just know that I can lick this problem. Iım just frustrated that I
> didnıt
> have the time to focus on it on Wednesday when it started!
>
> Thanks for listening, and wow! youıll be running in the Paralympics games
> before you know it!!!
>
> Love
> Vivienne
>
> On 3/10/04 9:27 AM, "The Light Bearers" <phoenix@...> wrote:
>
>> HI,
>> Today I started to gain SOOOOOOOOO much more feeling in my body.
>> Yesterday I
>> did a bunch of DNA code removals for the CFS viruses.  I was feeling
>> pretty
>> good and wanted to go for a jaunt.
>> I JUST WENT OUT FOR A WALK................................
>> drumroll.............................................568
>> ft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Immunic taught imperfectly still cures people.  Show what you know without
> waiting to be good at it.  Immunity is always an emergency.
>
> Please forward these e-mails because they find their way around the Web,
> into the right hands -- you'll save somebody's life.
> To subscribe go to:
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/immunicsBuddies_Neuropathy
> For the immunics Cure Drive group:
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/immunics
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Oh Gina Perma Grin

It makes my heart sing to hear you are doing so well! Absolutely
Fantasmagorical!

It really helps, because Iıve had the opposite kind of week, where Iıve had
seizures and all kinds of other neurological disturbances, right in the
middle of my busiest working week for 6 months! (Had a deadline that kept
slipping, one day at a time, and my partner kept blaming my problems on
stress over this deadline. Ha, if it was stress, then it was more like
stress over his stress about the deadline, and his incorrect feelings of
helplessness and anger because he felt powerless to do anything to help as
it relied on me to do all the work, he thought! There was plenty he could do
to help, but he kept hindering. Such is life without Immunics ­ I even
worked on him, removing his anger and frustration and installing acceptance
of the situation, the ability to do what he can without stres, and loving
acceptance and embracing of my physical symptoms), and that settled him down
enormously!!! and got him right off my back! Even made him care about me and
how I was coping with the seizures instead of attacking me for deliberately
setting them off!)

I used Immunics heaps, and it helped enormously, curing all kinds of very
deep seated emotional issues surrounding the first time I had these problems
8 years ago, when I did the rounds of 4 doctors, two chiropractors (the BEST
at getting to the cause of my problem), a neurologist and two
psychiatrists!. (that meant I was able to continue working without stressing
about what was happening to me too much). I also settled my energy system
down for short periods using Immunics, though the very intense, long lasting
muscle spasms kept coming back. I also had a Kinergetics session that found
huge energy disturbances around my knees (very high above them, to be
precise), and when she pulled the excess energy out of my feet, it set off
one of the biggest seizures of the lot. (I never lost consciousness during
any of them.)

Yesterday I was fine for the first time in four days, though I still felt
like an invalid who has been through the wringer twice backwards. Still
doing as much Immunics as I can, though since I couldnıt stop working (Iım
still working on Sunday morning, after finishing last night at 1.00am), I
havenıt been able to focus on anything specific.

Once this pressure is off this afternoon, with some mopping up on Monday, I
need to focus more on Immunics, and remove specific things. Iıll try the CMV
virus, as I had CMV 14 years ago, and the Hepatitis virus (30 years ago) and
see where that takes me. Also test what other viruses to remove codes for.

Is there anything else you can suggest I work on?

I just know that I can lick this problem. Iım just frustrated that I didnıt
have the time to focus on it on Wednesday when it started!

Thanks for listening, and wow! youıll be running in the Paralympics games
before you know it!!!

Love
Vivienne

On 3/10/04 9:27 AM, "The Light Bearers" <phoenix@...> wrote:

> HI,
> Today I started to gain SOOOOOOOOO much more feeling in my body.  Yesterday I
> did a bunch of DNA code removals for the CFS viruses.  I was feeling pretty
> good and wanted to go for a jaunt.
> I JUST WENT OUT FOR A WALK................................
> drumroll.............................................568
> ft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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HI,
Today I started to gain SOOOOOOOOO much more feeling in my body.  Yesterday I
did a bunch of DNA code removals for the CFS viruses.  I was feeling pretty good
and wanted to go for a jaunt.
I JUST WENT OUT FOR A WALK................................
drumroll.............................................568
ft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  This is over TWICE my last record which I
made months ago.  I'm sufffering PERMA-GRIN!!!!!!!!!!  Then I found all of
Bayard's talks on Karma, grooves etc...  I'm jumping the track and clearing
grooves fast!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Here's the grooves link
http://www.wayimmune.org/colleague/skills/skill06/vel03.htm
COOL, I'M SOOOOOOOOOOOO excited. Does it show???
Gina V-G
www.immunics.org
a not for profit
yoga for immunity
www.immunics.org
a not for profit
yoga for immunity

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WOW, I too merged my results bodies with his & removed those viruses!!!!!
About an hour later we had our first NICE conversation on the phone in weeks
or more.
YES, I must Remove & Remove again.  It IS worth it!!!!!  For me, it is the
first curing step.
LOVE,
Gina W
www.immunics.org
a not for profit
yoga for immunity
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cynthia Crane" <clcrane@...>
To: <immunicsBuddies_Neuropathy@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:57 PM
Subject: RE: [Neuropathy] Fw: Hi/RIK-Gina/discovering conditions


> cool-o!
>
> You are a healer for sure!!
> Love,
> Cyn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vivienne Waterworth [mailto:vivienne@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:36 PM
> To: immunicsBuddies_Neuropathy@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Neuropathy] Fw: Hi/RIK-Gina/discovering conditions
>
>
> Hi Cynthia
>
> Wow, yes, he does have a virus in his higher bodies. Well, he did have,
> until a few minutes ago.  ;-)
>
> Just tested that I'll have to repeat this a few more times, but hey,
> thanks!!!
>
> Love
> Vivienne
>
> On 23/9/04 12:02 PM, "Cynthia Crane" <clcrane@...> wrote:
>
>>
>> feeling people are criticizing you when they aren't can be a sign of
>> viral infection. I wonder if your friend had a virus? Higher body? Is
> it
>> still there? Can you remove it if it is? Great healing!!
>> Love
>> Cyn
>>
>
>
>
> Immunic taught imperfectly still cures people.  Show what you know
> without waiting to be good at it.  Immunity is always an emergency.
>
> Please forward these e-mails because they find their way around the Web,
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>
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Hi Lana

Welcome to our group. You are right in thinking this group is about helping
others and yourself to cope with neuropathy, and to find a way to cure
yourself.

Have you looked at the Immunics web site yet? Have you looked at any videos
or listened to any Cure Shows yet? How are you going with testing? Have you
got the hang of it yet?

If you havenıt done any or all of these things yet, please do so now ...
Then youıll understand what weıre on about, and youıll start to get some
benefit for yourself.

This list attacks all problems with the same tool ­ Immunics ­ Remove,
Install, Know RIK. We do the standard removals every day, removing all
negative pathologies, from all our bodies, followed by installing positive
things like healthy nerves, peace, loving acceptance of ourselves, whatever
is appropriate at the time.

There have been some amazing cures listed in the main Immunics list, people
who have cured themselves of some pretty nasty things. I cured a raging
sinus infection only two weeks ago ­ stopped it dead in its tracks within an
hour, after it had been raging for several days. I finally made the decision
to go see a doctor, then suddenly realised that I should attack it with
Immunics, and hey presto, it disappeared immediately!

Immunics does work. Itıs tapping into a very powerful energy system from God
/ the universe, so it is worth learning how to do it.

Best wishes
Vivienne


On 25/9/04 1:40 AM, "lana balawi" <lana_bura@...> wrote:

> Hallo
>
> Am I right in thinking this group is about helping others and myself to cope
> with neuropathy?
>
> My name is Lana I have had symptoms of neuropathy for about four years, I am
> fifty, no children no partner, no family very little support from friends.
>
> I need somebody to share my medical problems with, and also, since I have made
> some experiments in the last four year in my quest to cure myself I would like
> to share the results with others.
>
> First I am confused as to the cause of my condition, the neurologist said it
> was caused by my alcohol consumption which was certainly excessive, but not as
> bad as some of my friends.........and they did not get neuropathy.  I am
> convenced that it was caused by something else.
>
> When I tell my doctor this she says that alcohol effects people in different
> ways so I have been unlucky.
>
> Are you interested in all this?
>
> Since you took your time to read my letter I wil tell you about the best
> unconventional remedy for nerve pain that I have found.
>
> It is "kava kava"
>
> Kava kava is a plant which grows in places like Haway and Fiji Islands, I
> bought some root once from somebody who had it sent throught the internet, it
> was better then valium, it made me so relaxed!  The root lost its property
> after about three months then it became useless.
>
> Unfortunately kava is now illegal in England, you are not even supposed to get
> it through the internet but I did and it was rubbish, too old, waste of time
> and money.  It is not illegal in the USA, so if you are lucky enough to find
> some in herbal medicine stores, try it and please let me know the results, try
> the coarsly ground boil for 15 minutes drink, the effect is obvous and takes
> about 15 minutes.
>
> Please let me know if you have had success with anything conventional or not.
>
> I look forward
> Lana
>
> immunicsBuddies_Neuropathy Moderator
> <immunicsBuddies_Neuropathy-owner@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> This group will take a quantum leap forward when every person in it has
>> either posted an introduction personal made from the outline below or
>> unsubscribed himself or herself. If you've already written your
>> introduction, check it over! If any of the things below are missing, just
>> add them, and repost. Your introductions mean a lot to new members, and
>> get them going.
>>
>> -- -- --
>>
>> Your Opening Introduction
>>
>> Who should introduce themselves?
>> · Every immunicsBuddy, for sure.
>> · Moderators -- say what caused you to decide to become a moderator.
>> · Every eradicator who ever goes to Web groups looking for fresh
>> immunicsBuddies talent -- start by posting one of these introductions.
>> Use, but don't be confined by, the following outline -- just try to include
>> everything I mention. It is not necessary to be brief; we are interested.
>> People are actually inspired and illuminated by your story. We also learn
>> all kinds of things that relate to how we can help ourselves.
>> Please don't "palm" your introduction. Just write it and send it. We want
>> to know about you, that's all. We don't need you to be a great writer, but
>> we are hoping that, at some point, you're absolutely terrific at curing
>> things, and helping other people do the same.
>> Open up! Share yourself. You'd be surprised what an amazing immunological
>> boost you get from including people in your life, and in your reality, by
>> showing yourself this way.
>>
>> Use the subject "(your name) -- My Opening Introduction," in exactly those
>> words, so that we can identify your introduction as such.
>> The basics you need to tell people -- omit if not applicable:
>> 1. Your name: don't reveal your full name -- use your first name, but
>> stay away from weird pseudonyms like "HELLCAT" or "July30-six." Why turn
>> people off with your name when you can use anger and coldness?
>> 2. Give kind of "history of your immune system:" tell what you have
>> and/or haven't had in the way of both disease and health, and also what
>> things worked for you, if any, before you discovered immunics.
>> 3. How did you discover immunics? Where'd you find out about it?
>> 4. What have you done with immunics so far? What have you cured with
>> it? People want to know everything that you've cured with it, no matter how
>> trivial. Believe it or not, some of those "trivia" are things people
>> reading your communication are still stuck with. If you tell somebody that
>> they can cure something, they often will.
>> 5. Have you been instrumental or influential in curing other people
>> with immunics? Give us all the details of that. You will find that many of
>> your buddies will benefit from this, because they are here partially
>> because they want to help someone they love cure something.
>> 6. Tell a little about your life: what it's been, what it is now. Are
>> you married? Do you have any kids? Do you get along with your kids? Stuff
>> like that. Knowing these things helps us to understand you in the spiritual
>> and emotional areas.
>> 7. Are you a disease activist? What social or volunteer work have you
>> already done to eradicate disease from the planet? What are you currently
>> doing to that end?
>> 8. Are you a health professional? If yes, tell us about what you do,
>> and what success you've had with it. We feel it's better for
>> immunicsBuddies to receive treatment somebody who will practice immunics
>> with them during the treatment then from other practitioners in the same
>> field.
>> 9. Is there anything you need help with? Please tell us in detail. If
>> you need help, add the word “HELP” to the subject line of your e-mail.
>> You will find that, as you write, you become aware of what you're talking
>> about a new way, and this will greatly increase your immunological power.
>> And, if you're one of those people who hates to say good things about
>> yourself, get over it! Just say it, even if you don't believe it. We don't
>> believe the things we did with immunics either. Write it down, even if
>> you're not sure of it.
>> It's OK to make mistakes, and communicate inaccurately. Remember, there's
>> no such thing as "truth," other than the "Field Of Truth"
>> ,
>> which is one of the most effective prisons that we find ourselves locked
>> inside of, some of us for life. You've known people who lived in their field
>> of truth, and never emerged from it before they died. Writing you induction
>> can change that.
>> Happy communicating!
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
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YES, we ARE about CURING NEUROPATHY.  Have you learned to test yet???????  We
really aren't interested in your alcohol self-justification.  TRY
IMMUNICS!!!!!!! Join the immunicsBuddies alcohol group.  the best unconventional
remedy for nerve pain that I have found is IMMUNICS. Get started!!!!!!!!!!!
Gina W

www.immunics.org
a not for profit
yoga for immunity
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: lana balawi
   To: immunicsBuddies_Neuropathy Moderator
   Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:40 AM
   Subject: my introduction


   Hallo

   Am I right in thinking this group is about helping others and myself to cope
with neuropathy?
   My name is Lana I have had symptoms of neuropathy for about four years, I am
fifty, no children no partner, no family very little support from friends.

   I need somebody to share my medical problems with, and also, since I have made
some experiments in the last four year in my quest to cure myself I would like
to share the results with others.

   First I am confused as to the cause of my condition, the neurologist said it
was caused by my alcohol consumption which was certainly excessive, but not as
bad as some of my friends.........and they did not get neuropathy.  I am
convenced that it was caused by something else.

   When I tell my doctor this she says that alcohol effects people in different
ways so I have been unlucky.

   Are you interested in all this?

   Since you took your time to read my letter I wil tell you about the best
unconventional remedy for nerve pain that I have found.

   It is "kava kava"

   Kava kava is a plant which grows in places like Haway and Fiji Islands, I
bought some root once from somebody who had it sent throught the internet, it
was better then valium, it made me so relaxed!  The root lost its property after
about three months then it became useless.

   Unfortunately kava is now illegal in England, you are not even supposed to get
it through the internet but I did and it was rubbish, too old, waste of time and
money.  It is not illegal in the USA, so if you are lucky enough to find some in
herbal medicine stores, try it and please let me know the results, try the
coarsly ground boil for 15 minutes drink, the effect is obvous and takes about
15 minutes.

   Please let me know if you have had success with anything conventional or not.

   I look forward
   Lana

   immunicsBuddies_Neuropathy Moderator
<immunicsBuddies_Neuropathy-owner@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     This group will take a quantum leap forward when every person in it has
     either posted an introduction personal made from the outline below or
     unsubscribed himself or herself. If you've already written your
     introduction, check it over! If any of the things below are missing, just
     add them, and repost. Your introductions mean a lot to new members, and
     get them going.

     -- -- --

     Your Opening Introduction

     Who should introduce themselves?
     · Every immunicsBuddy, for sure.
     · Moderators -- say what caused you to decide to become a moderator.
     · Every eradicator who ever goes to Web groups looking for fresh
     immunicsBuddies talent -- start by posting one of these introductions.
     Use, but don't be confined by, the following outline -- just try to include
     everything I mention. It is not necessary to be brief; we are interested.
     People are actually inspired and illuminated by your story. We also learn
     all kinds of things that relate to how we can help ourselves.
     Please don't "palm" your introduction. Just write it and send it. We want
     to know about you, that's all. We don't need you to be a great writer, but
     we are hoping that, at some point, you're absolutely terrific at curing
     things, and helping other people do the same.
     Open up! Share yourself. You'd be surprised what an amazing immunological
     boost you get from including people in your life, and in your reality, by
     showing yourself this way.

     Use the subject "(your name) -- My Opening Introduction," in exactly those
     words, so that we can identify your introduction as such.
     The basics you need to tell people -- omit if not applicable:
     1. Your name: don't reveal your full name -- use your first name, but
     stay away from weird pseudonyms like "HELLCAT" or "July30-six." Why turn
     people off with your name when you can use anger and coldness?
     2. Give kind of "history of your immune system:" tell what you have
     and/or haven't had in the way of both disease and health, and also what
     things worked for you, if any, before you discovered immunics.
     3. How did you discover immunics? Where'd you find out about it?
     4. What have you done with immunics so far? What have you cured with
     it? People want to know everything that you've cured with it, no matter how
     trivial. Believe it or not, some of those "trivia" are things people
     reading your communication are still stuck with. If you tell somebody that
     they can cure something, they often will.
     5. Have you been instrumental or influential in curing other people
     with immunics? Give us all the details of that. You will find that many of
     your buddies will benefit from this, because they are here partially
     because they want to help someone they love cure something.
     6. Tell a little about your life: what it's been, what it is now. Are
     you married? Do you have any kids? Do you get along with your kids? Stuff
     like that. Knowing these things helps us to understand you in the spiritual
     and emotional areas.
     7. Are you a disease activist? What social or volunteer work have you
     already done to eradicate disease from the planet? What are you currently
     doing to that end?
     8. Are you a health professional? If yes, tell us about what you do,
     and what success you've had with it. We feel it's better for
     immunicsBuddies to receive treatment somebody who will practice immunics
     with them during the treatment then from other practitioners in the same
     field.
     9. Is there anything you need help with? Please tell us in detail. If
     you need help, add the word "HELP" to the subject line of your e-mail.
     You will find that, as you write, you become aware of what you're talking
     about a new way, and this will greatly increase your immunological power.
     And, if you're one of those people who hates to say good things about
     yourself, get over it! Just say it, even if you don't believe it. We don't
     believe the things we did with immunics either. Write it down, even if
     you're not sure of it.
     It's OK to make mistakes, and communicate inaccurately. Remember, there's
     no such thing as "truth," other than the "Field Of Truth"
     ,
     which is one of the most effective prisons that we find ourselves locked
inside of, some of us for life. You've known people who lived in their field of
truth, and never emerged from it before they died. Writing you induction can
change that.
     Happy communicating!

     -- -- --

     Your Friend, The World Sweeper





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Love,
Cyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Vivienne Waterworth [mailto:vivienne@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:36 PM
To: immunicsBuddies_Neuropathy@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Neuropathy] Fw: Hi/RIK-Gina/discovering conditions


Hi Cynthia

Wow, yes, he does have a virus in his higher bodies. Well, he did have,
until a few minutes ago.  ;-)

Just tested that I'll have to repeat this a few more times, but hey,
thanks!!!

Love
Vivienne

On 23/9/04 12:02 PM, "Cynthia Crane" <clcrane@...> wrote:

>
> feeling people are criticizing you when they aren't can be a sign of
> viral infection. I wonder if your friend had a virus? Higher body? Is
it
> still there? Can you remove it if it is? Great healing!!
> Love
> Cyn
>



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HI VIVIENNE,
Man, yesterday I went to the dentist, tonight I had my first Trigger Point
Myotherapy session.  Sat. I will begin more moderating. ....am I nuts??? Is
Bayard nuts???? TOTALLY LOVABLY, YES.  Anyway, I'm sure they tested, I'm
there for a reason, so....I've got a bit of 'studying' to do.

Tomorrow, I want to go and DOOO/EXPERIENCE some of these ideas. I've got to
replace, 'Do it slowly' with 'Plunge in, don't be afraid!!!!!!!!'  I can do
the 'others stuff' faster & easier than for myself.  I know it is something
I have to remove.

THANK YOU....I sometimes feel you are giving me a huge shot of FAITH in
myself.

LOVE, Gina in WI


----- Original Message -----
From: "Vivienne Waterworth" <vivienne@...>
To: <immunicsBuddies_Neuropathy@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Neuropathy] Fw: Hi/RIK-Gina/discovering conditions


> Hi Gina
>
>
> On 23/9/04 7:17 AM, "The Light Bearers" <phoenix@...> wrote:
>
>> Vivienne,
>> Sorry it has taken me a bit...I had a backlog of no sleep & took my once
>> every 6 month 'Power Nap' today for 5.5 hours. WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I
>> feel
>> good.
>>
> Its amazing what sleep deprivation will do. I sent my message just before
> going to bed, said I wanted to get up at 8, but its 9.30am and I've just
> woken up feeling very sore and inflamed all over (a good lupus reaction!)
> after 10 hours sleep. Perhaps if I had stayed in bed for another hour, I
> would be feeling a lot better!
>>
>> Viv, this response from you was PERFECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I test that it
>> contains keys to my healing.  %?? 50 or more,  60 or more Y,  70 or more
>> N,
>> 65 or more Y,  of the cures.  I have MUCH to do in this area.
>> THANK YOU, I'll keep you posted
>>
> Isnıt the harmonic wonderful! all the answers came through accessing.
> Theyıre all tested before sending, but it still amazes me when people say
> they are helped by what comes out of my fingers when I type! Accessing and
> testing has become a way of life for me. When I forget, I get it way
> wrong,
> when I access, itıs much more accurate, and the testing fine tunes it,
> down
> to precise wording. Unfortunately, while I remember to do it for others, I
> donıt always remember to do it for myself ;-) oops!
>>
>> Gina in WI...is been shortened to Gina W.
>>
> Any pseudonym will do ­ I use a totally different name on another list,
> and
> Iıve seen several people add an adjective to their name (eg Laffin Lyn who
> is different from Musical Lyn or Muse Lyn)
>>> >
>>> > Let us know what you find ... It might help us heal our own problems.
>>> > Iıll
>>> > also give you the next step.
>
> Ah, if only I had written it down at the time! this isnıt what I planned
> to
> suggest, but letıs start and see what happens...
>
>>> > Ask yourself what negative feelings you have when you think of being
>>> > 100%
>>> > healthy again. Donİ-t worry about appearing selfish, rude,
>>> > unappreciative,
>>> > frightened or a whinger ... be honest with yourself. Think the worst
>>> > of
>>> > yourself. Then remove it. Then install the opposite. Then repeat the
>>> > whole
>>> > process again and again until you can no longer find any negative
>>> > feelings.
>>
> Repeat this process with all the positive feelings you have when you think
> of being 100% healthy. Remove them. Yes, remove them. You need to
> care/donıt
> care about healing, to step outside of the process.
>
> Repeat until you can no longer find any feelings about being healthy
> again,
> then install Ohealthy feelingsı about being healthy again. Donıt specify
> what those healthy feelings are.
>
> Let us know how this goes.
>
> Love
> Vivienne
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Immunic taught imperfectly still cures people.  Show what you know without
> waiting to be good at it.  Immunity is always an emergency.
>
> Please forward these e-mails because they find their way around the Web,
> into the right hands -- you'll save somebody's life.
> To subscribe go to:
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/immunicsBuddies_Neuropathy
> For the immunics Cure Drive group:
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/immunics
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hi Cynthia

Wow, yes, he does have a virus in his higher bodies. Well, he did have,
until a few minutes ago.  ;-)

Just tested that I'll have to repeat this a few more times, but hey,
thanks!!!

Love
Vivienne

On 23/9/04 12:02 PM, "Cynthia Crane" <clcrane@...> wrote:

>
> feeling people are criticizing you when they aren't can be a sign of
> viral infection. I wonder if your friend had a virus? Higher body? Is it
> still there? Can you remove it if it is? Great healing!!
> Love
> Cyn
>

Hi

We have one silent member in this group - welcome to our group. :-)

We would love to hear from you. Who are you? Why are you interested in
Immunics? Don't be frightened by us or think that we're in any way more
experienced than you so you should keep quiet ... We're here to help each
other, to learn, and to heal.

So, even if you donıt have time to write the full intro, send us your
shortened version, tell us why you are here and what you want to cure.

Best wishes
Vivienne

feeling people are criticizing you when they aren't can be a sign of
viral infection. I wonder if your friend had a virus? Higher body? Is it
still there? Can you remove it if it is? Great healing!!
Love
Cyn
-----Original Message-----
From: Vivienne Waterworth [mailto:vivienne@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:27 AM
To: immunicsBuddies_Neuropathy@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Neuropathy] Fw: Hi/RIK-Gina/discovering conditions


Hi Gina

Sorry I didnıt get back to you earlier ... Iıve got a stack of messages
to
reply to after being out for two days, but this group is coming first,
before work or other lists.

On 21/9/04 3:01 AM, "The Light Bearers" <phoenix@...> wrote:

> I JUST started diving into the skills on Conditions, I have a 'new'
one or a
> derivative of one:
> Partnership with someone who is emotionally unavailable translates to
me
> shutting down to any relationship with that person.
>
Are you saying what I think you are saying?

Have you tried surrounding that person with Godıs love and light?
Merging
your results bodies with theirs?

Iıve had quite spectacular success with totally changing a personıs
attitude
to me by using these two methods, especially surrounding them with Godıs
light and love. This person had been building up a perception that I was
being super critical towards them, thinking that I was criticising every
single thing they did (which I wasnıt!), and getting angrier and angrier
about it over several days, but after one single episode of asking God
to
shine his loving light on this person and on myself, the whole attitude
changed to total acceptance of me and not even remembering how sensitive
they had been to what I was saying, or how angry they had been! It works
every time.

Have you tried merging your results bodies with theirs and sending them
loving acceptance or whatever you test they would be open to receive?

> I'm tired of being a RESCUER!!!!!!!!!!!!!    I've got a LOT of work to
> do....decisions to make Immunics to do, learn etc.
>
Ah, the rescuer needs rescuing! Time to look after yourself for a little
while. You have been trying to do the impossible with the amount of work
you
are trying to do for your family. You must take some time out for
yourself.
Can you set aside a small amount of time each day, just for you? If your
family understand why you need to take this time out every day, they
might
be able to support you better.

Have you removed your Œneedı to care for all other people, and installed
a
more appropriate relationship to your family. Have you cut all
connections
to all people around you, then re-established only appropriate
connections
to those you need to. Stay generic in your descriptions here, the
Harmonic
knows which connections need to be re-established, and what kind of
connection to put back in place.
>
> I was unable to simply Remove impaired sensitivity from my bodies.
I'm sure
> there is going to be another Immunics route to it....I'm open & on the
path to
> find the Immunics to do it.
>
I suspect you will need to dig a bit deeper, and remove some of the
emotional damage done to your body, both before and after you got ill.

Ask yourself what negative feelings you have when you think of being
100%
healthy again. Donıt worry about appearing selfish, rude,
unappreciative,
frightened or a whinger ... be honest with yourself. Think the worst of
yourself. Then remove it. Then install the opposite. Then repeat the
whole
process again and again until you can no longer find any negative
feelings.

Let us know what you find ... It might help us heal our own problems.
Iıll
also give you the next step.

Love
Vivienne


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



Immunic taught imperfectly still cures people.  Show what you know
without waiting to be good at it.  Immunity is always an emergency.

Please forward these e-mails because they find their way around the Web,
into the right hands -- you'll save somebody's life.
To subscribe go to:
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Hi Gina


On 23/9/04 7:17 AM, "The Light Bearers" <phoenix@...> wrote:

> Vivienne,
> Sorry it has taken me a bit...I had a backlog of no sleep & took my once
> every 6 month 'Power Nap' today for 5.5 hours. WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I feel
> good.
>
Its amazing what sleep deprivation will do. I sent my message just before
going to bed, said I wanted to get up at 8, but its 9.30am and I've just
woken up feeling very sore and inflamed all over (a good lupus reaction!)
after 10 hours sleep. Perhaps if I had stayed in bed for another hour, I
would be feeling a lot better!
>
> Viv, this response from you was PERFECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I test that it
> contains keys to my healing.  %?? 50 or more,  60 or more Y,  70 or more N,
> 65 or more Y,  of the cures.  I have MUCH to do in this area.
> THANK YOU, I'll keep you posted
>
Isnıt the harmonic wonderful! all the answers came through accessing.
Theyıre all tested before sending, but it still amazes me when people say
they are helped by what comes out of my fingers when I type! Accessing and
testing has become a way of life for me. When I forget, I get it way wrong,
when I access, itıs much more accurate, and the testing fine tunes it, down
to precise wording. Unfortunately, while I remember to do it for others, I
donıt always remember to do it for myself ;-) oops!
>
> Gina in WI...is been shortened to Gina W.
>
Any pseudonym will do ­ I use a totally different name on another list, and
Iıve seen several people add an adjective to their name (eg Laffin Lyn who
is different from Musical Lyn or Muse Lyn)
>> >
>> > Let us know what you find ... It might help us heal our own problems. Iıll
>> > also give you the next step.

Ah, if only I had written it down at the time! this isnıt what I planned to
suggest, but letıs start and see what happens...

>> > Ask yourself what negative feelings you have when you think of being 100%
>> > healthy again. Donİ–t worry about appearing selfish, rude, unappreciative,
>> > frightened or a whinger ... be honest with yourself. Think the worst of
>> > yourself. Then remove it. Then install the opposite. Then repeat the whole
>> > process again and again until you can no longer find any negative
>> > feelings.
>
Repeat this process with all the positive feelings you have when you think
of being 100% healthy. Remove them. Yes, remove them. You need to care/donıt
care about healing, to step outside of the process.

Repeat until you can no longer find any feelings about being healthy again,
then install Œhealthy feelingsı about being healthy again. Donıt specify
what those healthy feelings are.

Let us know how this goes.

Love
Vivienne


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Vivienne,
Sorry it has taken me a bit...I had a backlog of no sleep & took my once
every 6 month 'Power Nap' today for 5.5 hours. WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I feel
good.
Viv, this response from you was PERFECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I test that it
contains keys to my healing.  %?? 50 or more,  60 or more Y,  70 or more N,
65 or more Y,  of the cures.  I have MUCH to do in this area.
THANK YOU, I'll keep you posted
Gina in WI...is been shortened to Gina W.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Vivienne Waterworth" <vivienne@...>
To: <immunicsBuddies_Neuropathy@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Neuropathy] Fw: Hi/RIK-Gina/discovering conditions


> Hi Gina
>
> Sorry I didnıt get back to you earlier ... Iıve got a stack of messages to
> reply to after being out for two days, but this group is coming first,
> before work or other lists.
>
> On 21/9/04 3:01 AM, "The Light Bearers" <phoenix@...> wrote:
>
>> I JUST started diving into the skills on Conditions, I have a 'new' one
>> or a
>> derivative of one:
>> Partnership with someone who is emotionally unavailable translates to me
>> shutting down to any relationship with that person.
>>
> Are you saying what I think you are saying?
>
> Have you tried surrounding that person with Godıs love and light? Merging
> your results bodies with theirs?
>
> Iıve had quite spectacular success with totally changing a personıs
> attitude
> to me by using these two methods, especially surrounding them with Godıs
> light and love. This person had been building up a perception that I was
> being super critical towards them, thinking that I was criticising every
> single thing they did (which I wasnıt!), and getting angrier and angrier
> about it over several days, but after one single episode of asking God to
> shine his loving light on this person and on myself, the whole attitude
> changed to total acceptance of me and not even remembering how sensitive
> they had been to what I was saying, or how angry they had been! It works
> every time.
>
> Have you tried merging your results bodies with theirs and sending them
> loving acceptance or whatever you test they would be open to receive?
>
>> I'm tired of being a RESCUER!!!!!!!!!!!!!    I've got a LOT of work to
>> do....decisions to make Immunics to do, learn etc.
>>
> Ah, the rescuer needs rescuing! Time to look after yourself for a little
> while. You have been trying to do the impossible with the amount of work
> you
> are trying to do for your family. You must take some time out for
> yourself.
> Can you set aside a small amount of time each day, just for you? If your
> family understand why you need to take this time out every day, they might
> be able to support you better.
>
> Have you removed your Oneedı to care for all other people, and installed a
> more appropriate relationship to your family. Have you cut all connections
> to all people around you, then re-established only appropriate connections
> to those you need to. Stay generic in your descriptions here, the Harmonic
> knows which connections need to be re-established, and what kind of
> connection to put back in place.
>>
>> I was unable to simply Remove impaired sensitivity from my bodies.  I'm
>> sure
>> there is going to be another Immunics route to it....I'm open & on the
>> path to
>> find the Immunics to do it.
>>
> I suspect you will need to dig a bit deeper, and remove some of the
> emotional damage done to your body, both before and after you got ill.
>
> Ask yourself what negative feelings you have when you think of being 100%
> healthy again. Donıt worry about appearing selfish, rude, unappreciative,
> frightened or a whinger ... be honest with yourself. Think the worst of
> yourself. Then remove it. Then install the opposite. Then repeat the whole
> process again and again until you can no longer find any negative
> feelings.
>
> Let us know what you find ... It might help us heal our own problems. Iıll
> also give you the next step.
>
> Love
> Vivienne
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Immunic taught imperfectly still cures people.  Show what you know without
> waiting to be good at it.  Immunity is always an emergency.
>
> Please forward these e-mails because they find their way around the Web,
> into the right hands -- you'll save somebody's life.
> To subscribe go to:
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/immunicsBuddies_Neuropathy
> For the immunics Cure Drive group:
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/immunics
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hi Gina

Sorry I didnıt get back to you earlier ... Iıve got a stack of messages to
reply to after being out for two days, but this group is coming first,
before work or other lists.

On 21/9/04 3:01 AM, "The Light Bearers" <phoenix@...> wrote:

> I JUST started diving into the skills on Conditions, I have a 'new' one or a
> derivative of one:
> Partnership with someone who is emotionally unavailable translates to me
> shutting down to any relationship with that person.
>
Are you saying what I think you are saying?

Have you tried surrounding that person with Godıs love and light? Merging
your results bodies with theirs?

Iıve had quite spectacular success with totally changing a personıs attitude
to me by using these two methods, especially surrounding them with Godıs
light and love. This person had been building up a perception that I was
being super critical towards them, thinking that I was criticising every
single thing they did (which I wasnıt!), and getting angrier and angrier
about it over several days, but after one single episode of asking God to
shine his loving light on this person and on myself, the whole attitude
changed to total acceptance of me and not even remembering how sensitive
they had been to what I was saying, or how angry they had been! It works
every time.

Have you tried merging your results bodies with theirs and sending them
loving acceptance or whatever you test they would be open to receive?

> I'm tired of being a RESCUER!!!!!!!!!!!!!    I've got a LOT of work to
> do....decisions to make Immunics to do, learn etc.
>
Ah, the rescuer needs rescuing! Time to look after yourself for a little
while. You have been trying to do the impossible with the amount of work you
are trying to do for your family. You must take some time out for yourself.
Can you set aside a small amount of time each day, just for you? If your
family understand why you need to take this time out every day, they might
be able to support you better.

Have you removed your Œneedı to care for all other people, and installed a
more appropriate relationship to your family. Have you cut all connections
to all people around you, then re-established only appropriate connections
to those you need to. Stay generic in your descriptions here, the Harmonic
knows which connections need to be re-established, and what kind of
connection to put back in place.
>
> I was unable to simply Remove impaired sensitivity from my bodies.  I'm sure
> there is going to be another Immunics route to it....I'm open & on the path to
> find the Immunics to do it.
>
I suspect you will need to dig a bit deeper, and remove some of the
emotional damage done to your body, both before and after you got ill.

Ask yourself what negative feelings you have when you think of being 100%
healthy again. Donıt worry about appearing selfish, rude, unappreciative,
frightened or a whinger ... be honest with yourself. Think the worst of
yourself. Then remove it. Then install the opposite. Then repeat the whole
process again and again until you can no longer find any negative feelings.

Let us know what you find ... It might help us heal our own problems. Iıll
also give you the next step.

Love
Vivienne


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Cynthia

Sorry to take so long to get back to you ... Iıve visited my mother
yesterday, and have been out visiting a prospective client today. got to
earn a living somehow ;-(



On 20/9/04 1:37 AM, "Cynthia Crane" <clcrane@...> wrote:
>
> What I mean by RLS is not quite what you are describing. Though I jump
> as I fall asleep--I thought those were "monoclonal jerks," whatever that
> means. Maybe there is more than one way of jumping as you fall asleep.
>
I guess there are many variations for any problem. Iım also not sure of all
of my partnerıs symptoms, so I canıt comment on all of them. He has numb
toes on one foot, which heıs complained about to many doctors and chiros,
and none have had any permanent effect. Heıs like you in saying that he
notices the numbness only when he goes to bed, and isnıt aware of it during
the day, so doesnıt know whether theyıre numb then or not.


> For me, the RLS is an unbearable sensation deep in my right side,
> heaviest in my leg. It's only relieved by movement. It's true for me
> like your partner that it's worse when resting. Actually, I think that
> it's there all the time for me, but when I am moving through my daily
> life, I can tune it out.

It almost sounds like sciatica, which is pressure on a nerve in the lower
spine.
>
> The medicine which works for me is mirapex, a
> Parkinson's med, so I think the problem for me has to do with
> neurotransmitters.
>
Thatıs an interesting connection. Parkinsons is problem inside the brain ..
that would indicate a problem in the head where the nerve sensations start.

Have you tested where the problem is? Head / the protective covering around
the spinal column / the protective coating around the nerves in the leg /
spinal joints pressing on the nerves? Or whether itıs a combination of
these? If you can find out exactly where the problem is, you might have more
success with RIKing.
>
> While we are talking about one-sidedness,it's interesting to note that
> doing something different with each hand can alleviate my RLS. Game boy
> works, but I find it horribly dull, so I've taken up knitting. It really
> helps with RLS, but the medicine is better. I can't knit myself to
> sleep!
>
Fascinating! I suspect that my problem was because the nerve impulses were
scattering somewhere before the nerves left the spinal column to go down my
arms/legs. Thatıs why I suspect my problem is more like MS, though not
necessarily a degeneration like in MS, but perhaps a spinal joint pressing
on the spinal column itself rather than on the nerves as they leave the
spinal column, which is where the pressure usually is.
>
> When I was having tremors, spasms, whatever you want to call it, I could
> will myself not to have them, and wait until I went to bed. That's the
> alternative--willfully holding them off--exhausting!
>
Yes, I understand the exhaustion ... in my case, I put that down to
expending a huge amount of energy to send the nerve impulses out to my
muscles to move, but the muscles barely getting any messages as all.

Actually, thatıs not the part youıre referring to ... Those spasms, tremors
etc would be from excess electricity running around inside the brain, then
suddenly being released in bursts into the muscles, which is what happens
during an epileptic seizure. What youıre doing is expending a lot of energy
trying to even that flow of electricity out of the brain. Hard work!!!

So, where to from here ... I donıt know enough about what causes the excess
of energy/electricity to build up in the brain, or what controls itıs
release. But you could try to remove the chemicals in the brain that
shouldnıt be there, install the chemicals that should be there, so that the
chemical reactions that need to take place can work properly. You can also
install healing to the pathways in the brain that arenıt working properly.
Sort of like spring cleaning inside the brain. Also cleaning out the energy
pathways inside the body, not just the nervous system, but also the meridian
system.

Is there an emotional component to this that needs to be dug out before
healing can take place? Or after healing has taken place? Or using a
different focus, is the emotional component a cause of the problem or a
result of the problem? Might help to focus the RIKing.

Love
Vivienne


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-----Original Message-----
From: Cynthia Crane [mailto:clcrane@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:25 PM
To: 'immunicsBuddies_Neuropathy@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Neuropathy] Fw: Hi/RIK-Gina/discovering conditions


are you guys removing trauma?
Love,
Cynthia
-----Original Message-----
From: The Light Bearers [mailto:phoenix@...]
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 1:02 PM
To: immunicsBuddies_Neuropathy@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Neuropathy] Fw: Hi/RIK-Gina/discovering conditions


HI VIVIENNE,

I JUST started diving into the skills on Conditions, I have a 'new' one
or a derivative of one:
Partnership with someone who is emotionally unavailable translates to me
shutting down to any relationship with that person.
I'm tired of being a RESCUER!!!!!!!!!!!!!    I've got a LOT of work to
do....decisions to make Immunics to do, learn etc.
I was unable to simply Remove impaired sensitivity from my bodies.  I'm
sure there is going to be another Immunics route to it....I'm open & on
the path to find the Immunics to do it.
LOVE,
Gina in WI



----- Original Message -----
From: "Vivienne Waterworth" <vivienne@...>
To: <immunicsBuddies_Neuropathy@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Neuropathy] Fw: Hi/RIK-Gina


> Hi Gina in WI
>
> On 18/9/04 6:26 AM, "The Light Bearers" <phoenix@...> wrote:
>
>>> > Hey Vivienne,
>>> > I guess the unmoderating didn't work as I just let Cynthia's
message
>>> > through.  I'm thinking more & more people will join as they find
we are
>>> > working at it.
>>
> Iıve fixed that oversight now ... I didnıt realise that Cynthia was
also a
> moderator, though it should have been staring me in the face. Duh!
>>> >
>>> > I got a phone call for a fellow/ess Immuner & we both relayed
cold,
>>> > clogged symptoms this week that promptly dissappeared with
Immunics.  I'mv
>>> > very happy to say that I didn't get even close to 1/2 blown
symptoms of a
>>> > colde.
>>
> I got a sinus infection last week ­ full blown, lots of very brightly
> coloured infected mucous. So I use Immunics, and felt much better. But
I
> still felt that I needed the illness, I needed the sympathy. So I
tried to
> remove that.
>
> I thought I had been successful, until my partner noticed me in the
kitchen
> with my hand to my heavy, painful head and complained about me
sleeping in
> (till 10.00am) and not working, and I said quite emphatically OIıve
got a
> SINUS infection! Iıve got a massive headache! Give me a break. Iım
working
> as hard as I can, I canıt do any better!ı.
>
> I could feel the fight going on inside me ­ OI CAN remove this with
> Immunics, I need his sympathy, his knowledge that Iım not OK, I CAN
remove
> this, I need his sympathy.ı Guess which one won! I was totally symptom
free
> within an hour and nothing in the past three days! Wow!!!
>
> I think that was a watershed for me ...showing me how much I have
needed to
> be different, needed sympathy, needed to have someone else CARE that
Iım
> hurting.
>
> Wow, while typing this, a whole line of thinking has just opened up! I
have
> needed to know that someone else cared and knew that Iıve been
hurting, ever
> since I was abused as a teenager. I chose not to tell my mother at the
time
> because it would have really upset her and probably broken up her
marriage
> (they separated 8 years later anyway), so I told no-one in case she
ever
> found out. So... Thatıs really interesting ­ Iım now removing that
need and
> weıll see what happens to my general health/allergies/neuropathy.
>>> >
>>> > I also teeeeested that it is much more difficult tto wack
Nseuropathy when
>>> > I'mdealing with any other types of microbial symptoms.
Unfortunately, my
>>> > neuropathy, or at least the pain, also gets worse ffor a day or
two
>>> > afterward and I haven't been able rto take thqat out yet, BUT I
WILL.
>>
> Is neuropathy just a symptom of other problems? Iıve wondered that
several
> times. So, focus on what itıs the symptom of ... Hmmmm.
>>> >
>>> > i'M LEAVING THE mistakes in my posts just so orthers can
appreciate how
>>> > hard I'm workingg  :~}
>
> A few years ago, I kept a daily diary of my symptoms, and sometimes my
> writing was legible and sometimes it wasnıt. It was very important to
me
> psychologically to show others how my writing was so affected, and
Iıve just
> found out why (see previous paras). Iım still very tempted to not
correct my
> typing mistakes, as theyıve gotten much worse recently, but it would
only
> serve to pamper to my need, which Iım now removing ... bugger ;-) lol
>>
>>> >I have someeeewhat impaired sensitivity in my
>>> > finger'tips.  HEY, I LOVE this.  Sometimes typi g I get these
wonderrful
>>> > ideas........just REMOVE impaired sensitivity from all my
bodi3es....
>>
> Thatıs what I like about these emails ­ you learn as you type!I have
learned
> so much from responding to other peopleıs emails ... And still
learning.
>>> >
>>> > I´m off to ddo that & INSTALL  h3ealthy nerv e sensitivity to all
my
>>> > bodieeees.  Somehow I KNOW I am closer to WACKIN G this.
>>> >
> What about daily installing healthy nerves and nerve connections.
Removing
> the damage from the virus. Removing the virus itself.
>
> What dependencies need to be removed?
>
> Best wishes
> Vivienne
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Immunic taught imperfectly still cures people.  Show what you know
without waiting to be good at it.  Immunity is always an emergency.
>
> Please forward these e-mails because they find their way around the
Web, into the right hands -- you'll save somebody's life.
> To subscribe go to:
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> For the immunics Cure Drive group:
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/immunics
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

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HI VIVIENNE,

I JUST started diving into the skills on Conditions, I have a 'new' one or a
derivative of one:
Partnership with someone who is emotionally unavailable translates to me
shutting down to any relationship with that person.
I'm tired of being a RESCUER!!!!!!!!!!!!!    I've got a LOT of work to
do....decisions to make Immunics to do, learn etc.
I was unable to simply Remove impaired sensitivity from my bodies.  I'm sure
there is going to be another Immunics route to it....I'm open & on the path to
find the Immunics to do it.
LOVE,
Gina in WI



----- Original Message -----
From: "Vivienne Waterworth" <vivienne@...>
To: <immunicsBuddies_Neuropathy@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Neuropathy] Fw: Hi/RIK-Gina


> Hi Gina in WI
>
> On 18/9/04 6:26 AM, "The Light Bearers" <phoenix@...> wrote:
>
>>> > Hey Vivienne,
>>> > I guess the unmoderating didn't work as I just let Cynthia's message
>>> > through.  I'm thinking more & more people will join as they find we are
>>> > working at it.
>>
> Iıve fixed that oversight now ... I didnıt realise that Cynthia was also a
> moderator, though it should have been staring me in the face. Duh!
>>> >
>>> > I got a phone call for a fellow/ess Immuner & we both relayed cold,
>>> > clogged symptoms this week that promptly dissappeared with Immunics.  I'mv
>>> > very happy to say that I didn't get even close to 1/2 blown symptoms of a
>>> > colde.
>>
> I got a sinus infection last week ­ full blown, lots of very brightly
> coloured infected mucous. So I use Immunics, and felt much better. But I
> still felt that I needed the illness, I needed the sympathy. So I tried to
> remove that.
>
> I thought I had been successful, until my partner noticed me in the kitchen
> with my hand to my heavy, painful head and complained about me sleeping in
> (till 10.00am) and not working, and I said quite emphatically OIıve got a
> SINUS infection! Iıve got a massive headache! Give me a break. Iım working
> as hard as I can, I canıt do any better!ı.
>
> I could feel the fight going on inside me ­ OI CAN remove this with
> Immunics, I need his sympathy, his knowledge that Iım not OK, I CAN remove
> this, I need his sympathy.ı Guess which one won! I was totally symptom free
> within an hour and nothing in the past three days! Wow!!!
>
> I think that was a watershed for me ...showing me how much I have needed to
> be different, needed sympathy, needed to have someone else CARE that Iım
> hurting.
>
> Wow, while typing this, a whole line of thinking has just opened up! I have
> needed to know that someone else cared and knew that Iıve been hurting, ever
> since I was abused as a teenager. I chose not to tell my mother at the time
> because it would have really upset her and probably broken up her marriage
> (they separated 8 years later anyway), so I told no-one in case she ever
> found out. So... Thatıs really interesting ­ Iım now removing that need and
> weıll see what happens to my general health/allergies/neuropathy.
>>> >
>>> > I also teeeeested that it is much more difficult tto wack Nseuropathy when
>>> > I'mdealing with any other types of microbial symptoms.  Unfortunately, my
>>> > neuropathy, or at least the pain, also gets worse ffor a day or two
>>> > afterward and I haven't been able rto take thqat out yet, BUT I WILL.
>>
> Is neuropathy just a symptom of other problems? Iıve wondered that several
> times. So, focus on what itıs the symptom of ... Hmmmm.
>>> >
>>> > i'M LEAVING THE mistakes in my posts just so orthers can appreciate how
>>> > hard I'm workingg  :~}
>
> A few years ago, I kept a daily diary of my symptoms, and sometimes my
> writing was legible and sometimes it wasnıt. It was very important to me
> psychologically to show others how my writing was so affected, and Iıve just
> found out why (see previous paras). Iım still very tempted to not correct my
> typing mistakes, as theyıve gotten much worse recently, but it would only
> serve to pamper to my need, which Iım now removing ... bugger ;-) lol
>>
>>> >I have someeeewhat impaired sensitivity in my
>>> > finger'tips.  HEY, I LOVE this.  Sometimes typi g I get these wonderrful
>>> > ideas........just REMOVE impaired sensitivity from all my bodi3es....
>>
> Thatıs what I like about these emails ­ you learn as you type!I have learned
> so much from responding to other peopleıs emails ... And still learning.
>>> >
>>> > I´m off to ddo that & INSTALL  h3ealthy nerv e sensitivity to all my
>>> > bodieeees.  Somehow I KNOW I am closer to WACKIN G this.
>>> >
> What about daily installing healthy nerves and nerve connections. Removing
> the damage from the virus. Removing the virus itself.
>
> What dependencies need to be removed?
>
> Best wishes
> Vivienne
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Immunic taught imperfectly still cures people.  Show what you know without
waiting to be good at it.  Immunity is always an emergency.
>
> Please forward these e-mails because they find their way around the Web, into
the right hands -- you'll save somebody's life.
> To subscribe go to: 
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/immunicsBuddies_Neuropathy
> For the immunics Cure Drive group:
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/immunics
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Hi, Vivienne,
I am fascinated by your descriptions of your disorder. The body is
amazing, and infinite in the ways it can go wrong!!

What I mean by RLS is not quite what you are describing. Though I jump
as I fall asleep--I thought those were "monoclonal jerks," whatever that
means. Maybe there is more than one way of jumping as you fall asleep.

For me, the RLS is an unbearable sensation deep in my right side,
heaviest in my leg. It's only relieved by movement. It's true for me
like your partner that it's worse when resting. Actually, I think that
it's there all the time for me, but when I am moving through my daily
life, I can tune it out. The medicine which works for me is mirapex, a
Parkinson's med, so I think the problem for me has to do with
neurotransmitters.

While we are talking about one-sidedness,it's interesting to note that
doing something different with each hand can alleviate my RLS. Game boy
works, but I find it horribly dull, so I've taken up knitting. It really
helps with RLS, but the medicine is better. I can't knit myself to
sleep!

When I was having tremors, spasms, whatever you want to call it, I could
will myself not to have them, and wait until I went to bed. That's the
alternative--willfully holding them off--exhausting!

I'm glad you're making progress with Immunics.

Love,
Cynthia
-----Original Message-----
From: Vivienne Waterworth [mailto:vivienne@...]
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 12:40 AM
To: immunicsBuddies_Neuropathy@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Neuropathy] Who are you? Why are you here?


Hi Cynthia

On 18/9/04 2:25 AM, "Cynthia Crane" <clcrane@...> wrote:
>
> I cured a severe case of CFS with immunics. At my worst I was too sick
> to read or watch TV, to hold a conversation with more than one person
at
> a time, to walk more than a block or two without assistance. I was in
> bed 20 hours a day, and not good for much when I was out of bed. With
> the help of a gifted and devoted MD I got back to 70-90% functioning
but
> did not get completely cured.I played around with immunics for more
than
> a year, then got serious with it almost exactly a year ago. Today I am
> working full-time, walking/jogging, back to complete health.
>
Congratulations! itıs soooo good to be back to complete health again,
isnıt
it! I remember when I got onto the walking machine and actually used it,
in
fact, started running !!!! on it two years ago, and I was absolutely
stunned. At my worst in the mid 90s, I couldnıt walk very far, and I
simply
couldnıt use the walking machine. I could the rowing machine without any
problems, but I was symmetrically bound, meaning that if I did something
with one side of my body, the other side had to do the same thing. I
couldnıt separate them without an extreme amount of effort and energy.
Walking was a nightmare and extremely tiring. I remember one day when I
couldnıt even pick up a fork off the table with one hand. As soon as I
moved
the other hand in the same way, it was easy.
>
> I suspect I had or have some neuropathy, which is one of the reasons I
> am drawn to this particular group. When I was sick I had seizure-like
> episodes, similar to the ones Vivienne describes, though in addition
to
> being able to move them around my body, I could postpone them until I
> was alone. They were not one-sided, and there was something satisfying
> about letting myself have them, as though they were important to my
> body, better than the alternative, at least.
>
What was the alternative? Mine were usually both sides ... It was only
when
driving that I would force them into one arm so the other limbs would
stay
calm enough to get home as quickly as possible.
>
> I also have restless leg syndrome pretty bad, and have had less luck
> with immunics in treating that, for two reasons. One is that my
medicine
> is pretty effective, so I'm not so motivated. the other is that doing
> immunics makes the RLS much worse for a few minutes. That's
> unmotivating! I'm hoping that as part of this group I will start to
> address this issue more responsibly.
>
My partner has RLS, and I occasionally get it full body (rarely just a
leg).
I have a theory that RLS is caused by pressure on a nerve in the spine.
While you are tense, itıs ok. As soon as you relax, the pressure hits
and
you jump. So you move, the nerves are still holding firm. But as you
fall
asleep again, the muscles relax, allowing the nerve to get pinched
again,
causing you to jump again.

Working on that theory, I give my partner a very brief but very deep
massage
on his spine as soon as he goes to bed. Iıve worked out what areas will
make
it worse (the left side where the spine changes from an inward curve to
an
outward curve), and what areas need the heaviest work (the right side at
the
same place, plus both sides at the base of the spine and in the
neck/shoulder area).

So, if my theory is correct, that would explain why Immunics makes it
worse.
Immunics would take all the stress out of your spine, allowing it to
pinch
the nerves. So, what could you install to stop the pinching nerves? What
exercises could you do to strengthen that part of the spine? What you do
need to install in relation to actions you need to take to help it?

Also, what do you need to remove/install in relation to the general
health
of the nerves in your spine?

Best wishes
Vivienne
>
>
>



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Hi Cynthia

On 18/9/04 2:25 AM, "Cynthia Crane" <clcrane@...> wrote:
>
> I cured a severe case of CFS with immunics. At my worst I was too sick
> to read or watch TV, to hold a conversation with more than one person at
> a time, to walk more than a block or two without assistance. I was in
> bed 20 hours a day, and not good for much when I was out of bed. With
> the help of a gifted and devoted MD I got back to 70-90% functioning but
> did not get completely cured.I played around with immunics for more than
> a year, then got serious with it almost exactly a year ago. Today I am
> working full-time, walking/jogging, back to complete health.
>
Congratulations! itıs soooo good to be back to complete health again, isnıt
it! I remember when I got onto the walking machine and actually used it, in
fact, started running !!!! on it two years ago, and I was absolutely
stunned. At my worst in the mid 90s, I couldnıt walk very far, and I simply
couldnıt use the walking machine. I could the rowing machine without any
problems, but I was symmetrically bound, meaning that if I did something
with one side of my body, the other side had to do the same thing. I
couldnıt separate them without an extreme amount of effort and energy.
Walking was a nightmare and extremely tiring. I remember one day when I
couldnıt even pick up a fork off the table with one hand. As soon as I moved
the other hand in the same way, it was easy.
>
> I suspect I had or have some neuropathy, which is one of the reasons I
> am drawn to this particular group. When I was sick I had seizure-like
> episodes, similar to the ones Vivienne describes, though in addition to
> being able to move them around my body, I could postpone them until I
> was alone. They were not one-sided, and there was something satisfying
> about letting myself have them, as though they were important to my
> body, better than the alternative, at least.
>
What was the alternative? Mine were usually both sides ... It was only when
driving that I would force them into one arm so the other limbs would stay
calm enough to get home as quickly as possible.
>
> I also have restless leg syndrome pretty bad, and have had less luck
> with immunics in treating that, for two reasons. One is that my medicine
> is pretty effective, so I'm not so motivated. the other is that doing
> immunics makes the RLS much worse for a few minutes. That's
> unmotivating! I'm hoping that as part of this group I will start to
> address this issue more responsibly.
>
My partner has RLS, and I occasionally get it full body (rarely just a leg).
I have a theory that RLS is caused by pressure on a nerve in the spine.
While you are tense, itıs ok. As soon as you relax, the pressure hits and
you jump. So you move, the nerves are still holding firm. But as you fall
asleep again, the muscles relax, allowing the nerve to get pinched again,
causing you to jump again.

Working on that theory, I give my partner a very brief but very deep massage
on his spine as soon as he goes to bed. Iıve worked out what areas will make
it worse (the left side where the spine changes from an inward curve to an
outward curve), and what areas need the heaviest work (the right side at the
same place, plus both sides at the base of the spine and in the
neck/shoulder area).

So, if my theory is correct, that would explain why Immunics makes it worse.
Immunics would take all the stress out of your spine, allowing it to pinch
the nerves. So, what could you install to stop the pinching nerves? What
exercises could you do to strengthen that part of the spine? What you do
need to install in relation to actions you need to take to help it?

Also, what do you need to remove/install in relation to the general health
of the nerves in your spine?

Best wishes
Vivienne
>
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Gina in WI

On 18/9/04 6:26 AM, "The Light Bearers" <phoenix@...> wrote:

>> > Hey Vivienne,
>> > I guess the unmoderating didn't work as I just let Cynthia's message
>> > through.  I'm thinking more & more people will join as they find we are
>> > working at it.
>
Iıve fixed that oversight now ... I didnıt realise that Cynthia was also a
moderator, though it should have been staring me in the face. Duh!
>> >
>> > I got a phone call for a fellow/ess Immuner & we both relayed cold,
>> > clogged symptoms this week that promptly dissappeared with Immunics.  I'mv
>> > very happy to say that I didn't get even close to 1/2 blown symptoms of a
>> > colde.
>
I got a sinus infection last week ­ full blown, lots of very brightly
coloured infected mucous. So I use Immunics, and felt much better. But I
still felt that I needed the illness, I needed the sympathy. So I tried to
remove that.

I thought I had been successful, until my partner noticed me in the kitchen
with my hand to my heavy, painful head and complained about me sleeping in
(till 10.00am) and not working, and I said quite emphatically ŒIıve got a
SINUS infection! Iıve got a massive headache! Give me a break. Iım working
as hard as I can, I canıt do any better!ı.

I could feel the fight going on inside me ­ ŒI CAN remove this with
Immunics, I need his sympathy, his knowledge that Iım not OK, I CAN remove
this, I need his sympathy.ı Guess which one won! I was totally symptom free
within an hour and nothing in the past three days! Wow!!!

I think that was a watershed for me ...showing me how much I have needed to
be different, needed sympathy, needed to have someone else CARE that Iım
hurting.

Wow, while typing this, a whole line of thinking has just opened up! I have
needed to know that someone else cared and knew that Iıve been hurting, ever
since I was abused as a teenager. I chose not to tell my mother at the time
because it would have really upset her and probably broken up her marriage
(they separated 8 years later anyway), so I told no-one in case she ever
found out. So... Thatıs really interesting ­ Iım now removing that need and
weıll see what happens to my general health/allergies/neuropathy.
>> >
>> > I also teeeeested that it is much more difficult tto wack Nseuropathy when
>> > I'mdealing with any other types of microbial symptoms.  Unfortunately, my
>> > neuropathy, or at least the pain, also gets worse ffor a day or two
>> > afterward and I haven't been able rto take thqat out yet, BUT I WILL.
>
Is neuropathy just a symptom of other problems? Iıve wondered that several
times. So, focus on what itıs the symptom of ... Hmmmm.
>> >
>> > i'M LEAVING THE mistakes in my posts just so orthers can appreciate how
>> > hard I'm workingg  :~}

A few years ago, I kept a daily diary of my symptoms, and sometimes my
writing was legible and sometimes it wasnıt. It was very important to me
psychologically to show others how my writing was so affected, and Iıve just
found out why (see previous paras). Iım still very tempted to not correct my
typing mistakes, as theyıve gotten much worse recently, but it would only
serve to pamper to my need, which Iım now removing ... bugger ;-) lol
>
>> >I have someeeewhat impaired sensitivity in my
>> > finger'tips.  HEY, I LOVE this.  Sometimes typi g I get these wonderrful
>> > ideas........just REMOVE impaired sensitivity from all my bodi3es....
>
Thatıs what I like about these emails ­ you learn as you type!I have learned
so much from responding to other peopleıs emails ... And still learning.
>> >
>> > I´m off to ddo that & INSTALL  h3ealthy nerv e sensitivity to all my
>> > bodieeees.  Somehow I KNOW I am closer to WACKIN G this.
>> >
What about daily installing healthy nerves and nerve connections. Removing
the damage from the virus. Removing the virus itself.

What dependencies need to be removed?

Best wishes
Vivienne








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> Hey Vivienne,
> I guess the unmoderating didn't work as I just let Cynthia's message
> through.  I'm thinking more & more people will join as they find we are
> working at it.
>
> I got a phone call for a fellow/ess Immuner & we both relayed cold,
> clogged symptoms this week that promptly dissappeared with Immunics.  I'mv
> very happy to say that I didn't get even close to 1/2 blown symptoms of a
> colde.
>
> I also teeeeested that it is much more difficult tto wack Nseuropathy when
> I'mdealing with any other types of microbial symptoms.  Unfortunately, my
> neuropathy, or at least the pain, also gets worse ffor a day or two
> afterward and I haven't been able rto take thqat out yet, BUT I WILL.
>
> i'M LEAVING THE mistakes in my posts just so orthers can appreciate how
> hard I'm workingg  :~}  I have someeeewhat impaired sensitivity in my
> finger'tips.  HEY, I LOVE this.  Sometimes typi g I get these wonderrful
> ideas........just REMOVE impaired sensitivity from all my bodi3es....
>
> I´m off to ddo that & INSTALL  h3ealthy nerv e sensitivity to all my
> bodieeees.  Somehow I KNOW I am closer to WACKIN G this.
>
> Bye for now,
> Gina in WI
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vivienne Waterworth" To: <phoenix@...>
> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 7:12 AM
> Subject: Hi
>
>
>> I've just unmoderated you and myself - as moderators it didn't seem to
>> make
>> any sense to me for us to have to moderate our own messages!
>>
>> Talk to you soon on this list ;-)
>>
>> Vivienne
>>
>
>

Hi, I'm Cynthia.
I am here to keep everyone company and learn from you as you figure out
how to cure your neuropathy. I am the moderator of the moderators and I
am also learning about how immunics works with different people,
different diseases, different circumstances so I can help more people
than I can now.

I cured a severe case of CFS with immunics. At my worst I was too sick
to read or watch TV, to hold a conversation with more than one person at
a time, to walk more than a block or two without assistance. I was in
bed 20 hours a day, and not good for much when I was out of bed. With
the help of a gifted and devoted MD I got back to 70-90% functioning but
did not get completely cured.I played around with immunics for more than
a year, then got serious with it almost exactly a year ago. Today I am
working full-time, walking/jogging, back to complete health.

I suspect I had or have some neuropathy, which is one of the reasons I
am drawn to this particular group. When I was sick I had seizure-like
episodes, similar to the ones Vivienne describes, though in addition to
being able to move them around my body, I could postpone them until I
was alone. They were not one-sided, and there was something satisfying
about letting myself have them, as though they were important to my
body, better than the alternative, at least.

I also have restless leg syndrome pretty bad, and have had less luck
with immunics in treating that, for two reasons. One is that my medicine
is pretty effective, so I'm not so motivated. the other is that doing
immunics makes the RLS much worse for a few minutes. That's
unmotivating! I'm hoping that as part of this group I will start to
address this issue more responsibly.

Looking forward to getting to know you all,
Love,
Cynthia
-----Original Message-----
From: Vivienne Waterworth [mailto:vivienne@...]
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 3:26 AM
To: immunicsBuddies_Neuropathy@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Neuropathy] Who are you? Why are you here?


Hi all

There are five people on this list ... I have only seen two messages, so
that means there are still several people who haven't introduced
themselves
yet.  ;-)

Where are you? Who are you? Where are your introductions????

One of the rules for being a buddy is that you need to post your
introduction ... so that YOU know why you're here, and so we can all get
to
know each other and start sharing and curing.

You've heard from me, your turn ... Who's first???

Who are you? Why are you here? How did you discover Immunics? What have
you
cured so far? What else do you want to cure? What else have you tried?

Hoping to hear from you all real soon now!

Vivienne

A living tribute to the power of Immunics to change the course of a
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Hi all

There are five people on this list ... I have only seen two messages, so
that means there are still several people who haven't introduced themselves
yet.  ;-)

Where are you? Who are you? Where are your introductions????

One of the rules for being a buddy is that you need to post your
introduction ... so that YOU know why you're here, and so we can all get to
know each other and start sharing and curing.

You've heard from me, your turn ... Who's first???

Who are you? Why are you here? How did you discover Immunics? What have you
cured so far? What else do you want to cure? What else have you tried?

Hoping to hear from you all real soon now!

Vivienne

A living tribute to the power of Immunics to change the course of a life!
www.immunics.org

Hi

I'm a new co-moderator for this group.

Here's my introduction... If it's too brief, then I'd have to leave heaps
out, if it covered everything, then we'd all get depressed, so here' my
compromise.

I've always been different from everyone else around me. I've never fitted
in with the people around me, always the odd one out. I'm more normal now
than ever before!

I've had heaps of medical and other problems over the years - far more than
my fair share.

Traumatic and difficult birth
Moved from New Zealand to Australia when 3 years of age
Sexual abuse during teenage years
Hepatitis A, 3 weeks after getting married, followed by several years of ill
health and CFS, kidney stones, shingles, 5 miscarriages, a traumatic
pregnancy and a screaming baby who turned into a suicidal, almost bipolar
teenager.
Gout
Cyto megalo virus
Hormonal imbalances
Marriage breakup 12 years ago
Diabetes type 2
Asthma
Many food allergies
Lupus

And why am I here on this list? In the mid 90s I started developing some
really weird problems. My limbs started shaking uncontrollably, I had
epileptic-like seizures that would last anything from a few seconds to
several hours. Not painful necessarily, as I would be fully conscious, could
talk, walk and even drive a vehicle with one side of my body while the other
side would just flail uncontrollably, but then I could decide that I simply
'had' the change sides, and I could make it swap sides sides so that I could
continue driving.

I had a whole range of different symptoms that thoroughly confused the whole
medical profession. I saw many doctors, chiropractors, a neurologist and two
psychiatrists!

I first found Immunics some three years ago from wandering around the web
from links on another mailing list, but I only really 'discovered' it a year
ago. It has been absolutely fantastic in changing my life.

I use Immunics many times daily to remove all sorts of things. I have
focused so far on removing emotional issues as they were the causes of many
of my physical problems, but it's time now to let Immunics do its magic with
my remaining physical issues.

I have used Immunics to lose 5 kg last year (time to lose some more!). I've
also used it to remove physical pains in joints, to raise my metabolic rate,
my overall health and well being, my energy levels, etc etc.

I've been quite a vocal advocate of Immunics and other similar methods of
helping people such as EFT, and have been an active participant on many
other mailing lists.

I've also helped other people with Immunics - my sister had her very first
session just after midnight on New Year's Eve! Another client (I'm a
computer programmer) had a very traumatic phone call minutes before I saw
her and I was able to remove her sorrow, pain, frustration, helplessness, so
that she could continue working that particular day, instead of collapsing
with a nervous breakdown!

Well, that enough about me. I've focused on myself and my illnesses for far
too many years. Now I'm positive about my life, and I know I don't need
these illnesses or problems any more so I'm just removing them. Simple as
that!

I look forward to hearing from everyone else about how you are removing
things. What do you need to remove? How can we help you?

Best wishes
Vivienne

A living tribute to the power of Immunics to change the course of a life!
www.immunics.org

HI,
My name is Gina...to distinguish from the other, more experienced
Gina, I use 'in WI'.  I decided to become a moderator because with
Immunics is the ONLY thing that allows me to continue to reduce the
pain I experience from Neuropathy. I want to tackle it completely
with others so we can CURE it together!!!!!!!  I am able to feel the
difference in the level of pain with Immunics.  Immunics is a tool
that puts me on the path to my Highest Potential. As Moderator, I'd
like everyone who joins this Buddies group to introduce themselves
using a guide Bayard has designed. Follow the link...
http://www.wayimmune.org/00open/email/opening.htm  If you can't do
it all at once, just give us chapters, a little at a time.  Maybe
your hands can't type too well, do what you can, have fun.  I'm
EXCITED TO MEET YOU AND WACK OUR NEUROPATHY!!!!

I'm 44 and in general, I have been very healthy all my life...until,
in June of 2001. I got a flu virus, it got into my spinal column,
did a LOT of nerve damage &  left me in a wheelchair.  I've never
lost hope even when western medicine discharged me to a nursing home
& told I wouldn't make it a year.  That was in Feb. 2002.  What do
Drs. know?? <chuckle>

One of the most frustration things, for me, has been the lack of the
diagnosis...it could be a good thing except that it has slowed down
my Immunics development.  I didn't have any buddies and was only
subscribed to the main list.

Then, one day, an e-mail came through with someone's testing
questions that seemed to diverge from the standard questions on the
web site.

This was a BRILLIANT LIGHT BULB in my healing.  I could test
ANYTHING that came to mind instead of staying 'in the box' so to
speak.  This was my springboard for reducing my pain.

I was referred to Immunics through the Seminary program I am
currently enrolled in, the Seminary of Spiritual Peacemaking with
James Twyman.  There are several Immuners in this program.

So far, with Immunics, I have cured a nasty yeast infection, a cold
sore that wasn't getting any better nor worse. It just stayed the
same for 4 - 5 days until I cured it.  The next morning, it was
almost gone and I kept at it and the next day, bye-bye.  I am
CONSTANTLY working on my Neuropathy. Once it gets reduced even more,
I want to work on my balance. These are the two major symptoms I am
dealing with right now.

I really haven't worked on curing anyone else YET. <LOL>  I have
sooo much to do on myself but I do a good job of encouraging others
to keep at it.  It took me over 3 months to start getting concrete
results from my testing but now, I feel like I'm doing it ALL THE
TIME!!  WOW!!

I've been an extremely activate, energetic, passionate person all my
life.  I lived in Spain for 15 years. I have two boys, 9 - Indigo &
12 and a very dedicated husband who wishes his wife was well.  I
recently went to a week long retreat. One of the people I met there
stated, 'I'm glad your in that chair or I wouldn't have got to know
you. I'd have only seen the backs of your shoes'. <HAHAHA>  Boy she
was insightful!!!!

I'm a very spiritual person and I understand that I AM RESPONSIBLE
FOR MY HEALING!!!!!!!!!!  I am working  very hard with Immunics. I
am making progress even though at times I too find it daunting. (Can
I say this?? It IS honest).

At this point, I ran across info. on CFS, Fibromyalgia and Lymes
which indicates that these are caused by Lymes bacteria which
produces neurotoxins.  I have pointed several others, both Immuners
and not, to information on this topic.  www.chronicneurotoxins.com
It  has helped me but not enough.  I test that I have several dis-
eases rolled into one...now, to find out what those are OR just get
RID OF THEM!!  One of the other things I have used that has worked
somewhat is Sound. See www.soundhealthinc.com Two things: 1-It isn't
terribly quick. 2-It is expensive!!!!!!!!!!

I'm NOT a health professional but I've learned a lot of things about
muscles, organs, some bio-chemical processes, some enzymes, a bit
about neurotoxins..... through all of this.  I still have a LOT more
the learn or explore.

I feel SOOOOOOO HAPPY TO BE DOING THIS!!!!!!!
LOVE, Gina in WI
www.immunics.org
a not for profit
yoga for immunity

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You will intuitively know which ones to act on and which ones to
simply delete.

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HI,
My name is Gina...to distinguish from the other, more experienced Gina, I use
'in WI'.  I decided to become a moderator because with Immunics is the ONLY
thing that allows me to continue to reduce the pain I experience from
Neuropathy. I want to tackle it completely with others so we can CURE it
together!!!!!!!  I am able to feel the difference in the level of pain with
Immunics.  Immunics is a tool that puts me on the path to my Highest Potential.
I'm 44 and in general, I have been very healthy all my life...until, in June of
2001. I got a flu virus, it got into my spinal column, did a LOT of nerve damage
&  left me in a wheelchair.  I've never lost hope even when western medicine
discharged me to a nursing home & told I wouldn't make it a year.  That was in
Feb. 2002.  What do Drs. know?? <chuckle>
One of the most frustration things, for me, has been the lack of the
diagnosis...it could be a good thing except that it has slowed down my Immunics
development.  I didn't have any buddies and was only subscribed to the main
list.
Then, one day, an e-mail came through with someone's testing questions that
seemed to diverge from the standard questions on the web site.
This was a BRILLIANT LIGHT BULB in my healing.  I could test ANYTHING that came
to mind instead of staying 'in the box' so to speak.  This was my springboard
for reducing my pain.
I was referred to Immunics through the Seminary program I am currently doing,
the Seminary of Spiritual Peacemaking with James Twyman.  There are several
Immuners in this program.
So far, with Immunics, I have cured a nasty yeast infection, a cold sore that
wasn't getting any better nor worse. It just stayed the same for 4 - 5 days
until I cured it.  The next morning, it was almost gone and I kept at it and the
next day, bye-bye.  I am CONSTANTLY working on my Neuropathy. Once it gets
reduced even more, I want to work on my balance. These are the two major
symptoms I am dealing with right now.
I really haven't worked on curing anyone else YET. <LOL>  I have sooo much to do
on myself but I do a good job of encouraging others to keep at it.  It took me
over 3 months to start getting concrete results from my testing but now, I feel
like I'm doing it ALL THE TIME!!  WOW!!
I've been an extremely activate, energetic, passionate person all my life.  I
lived in Spain for 15 years. I have two boys, 9 - Indigo & 12 and a very
dedicated husband who wishes his wife was well.  I recently went to a week long
retreat. One of the people I met there stated, 'I'm glad your in that chair or I
wouldn't have got to know you. I'd have only seen the backs of your shoes'.
<HAHAHA>  Boy she was insightful!!!!
I'm a very spiritual person and I understand that I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR MY
HEALING!!!!!!!!!!  I am working  very hard with Immunics. I am making progress
even though at times I too find it daunting. (Can I say this?? It IS honest).
At this point, I ran across info. on CFS, Fibromyalgia and Lymes which indicates
that these are caused by Lymes bacteria which produces neurotoxins.  I have
pointed several others, both Immuners and not, to information on this topic. 
www.chronicneurotoxins.com  It  has helped me but not enough.  I test that I
have several dis-eases rolled into one...now, to find out what those are OR just
get RID OF THEM!!  One of the other things I have used that has worked somewhat
is Sound. See www.soundhealthinc.com Two things: 1-It isn't terribly quick. 2-It
is expensive!!!!!!!!!!
I'm NOT a health professional but I've learned a lot of things about muscles,
organs, some bio-chemical processes, some enzymes, a bit about neurotoxins.....
through all of this.  I still have a LOT more the learn or explore.

HELP: There are 4 people signed up for the Neuropathy group. I'd LOVE for
Cynthia to either 1-mentor me or 2-moderate too.  What is the next step?? Since
there isn't a moderator, I can't even send this to the Neuropathy group.

I feel SOOOOOOO HAPPY TO BE DOING THIS!!!!!!!
LOVE, Gina in WI
www.immunics.org
a not for profit
yoga for immunity