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RE: [CrocodylusPorusus] Snake Oil

The most popular Search Engine/Portal on the Internet does not list "various links all over the internet debunking the "antidote", as you claim. Here is the link to Google's search results for "The Antidote" . How about you provide us with 4 or 5 of the "debunking" links you found "all over the internet"?
 
Neither of the statements from Dr. James Perran Ross or Animal Planet appear to me to be endorsing this product. They are statements about Crocodiles and the anti-microbial peptide in their blood, as copied between the horizontal lines from the seller's Web site:
  • This quote from Dr. James Perran Ross, a croc researcher at the Florida Museum of Natural History, describes the commonplace occurrence of crocodiles surviving traumatic injuries stemming from a unique anti-microbial peptide: “They can sustain the most frightful injuries. In territorial fights they commonly tear each other's legs off. They go away and sulk for a while and seem to heal up. You often find animals in the wild with missing limbs, missing tails -- what must have been very serious injuries. I found one in the wild with the whole of its lower jaw torn off, all healed up and swimming around. It was a bit skinny but had obviously survived that very traumatic event. So I think their inherent toughness is one aspect. They are also long-lived. They routinely live for decades.”
  • This statement from Animal Planet.com explains in real simple detail exactly why crocodiles don’t suffer from infections: Surprisingly, very few crocodiles seem to suffer from infections. We recently discovered the secret behind their remarkable ability — an anti-microbial peptide in their blood. Crocodiles have one of the most efficient immune systems of any animal we know, which is a real advantage for them living in bacteria-filled water and mud. Wounds are common from fights or injuries from prey, and being able to fight off potential infection is clearly very important. The only time crocodiles suffer from infections is when they become stressed as their health declines. This affects their immune system and they can suddenly become susceptible to common bacteria they would normally shrug off. This can be seen in captive crocodiles kept in poor conditions, or wild subordinate or injured crocodiles unable to secure a territory and enough food to survive.
    • The statement from Animal Planet is copied word for word from the Animal Planet Web site:

    Animal Planet :: Ferocious Crocs
    ... Q: On Croc Infection. Do crocodiles ever get infections? Martinique Vella Baldachino. A: Surprisingly, very few crocodiles seem to suffer from infections. ...

    url: 
    animal.discovery.com/convergence/safari/crocs/expert/expert9.html...
    date: 
    March 01, 2002
     
    I have seen the feature on The Discovery Channel which presented the same information about Crocodiles and the anti-microbial peptide in their blood. Apparently the BBC in London also presented the same background information.
     
    The arthritis and chronic skin problems, that you and your wife have, seem to me to fit in this category: "For more serious conditions we recommend the antidote be taken every 3 months." From what you wrote, you and your wife only took the Antidote two weeks ago.
     

    Straight ahead, albeit in a spiraling sort of way.
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    Rama Demetrius Dyushambee, DD
    AKA: INspector Out Rageous, Cosmic Detective
    Founder,  www.YOUtopiaINstitute.org 
    Tel: 619/584-0542 Fax: 619/269-4561

    "LET'S HEAL IT" Original music CD at  StarQuestPublishing -  CDBaby.com - Amazon.com 
     
     
    What The BLEEP Do We Know!?    The movie and more...
     
     
    YOU're invited to Blog This!
    -----Original Message-----
    From: CrocodylusPorusus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CrocodylusPorusus@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Jack at Badflash.com
    Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 5:54 PM
    To: CrocodylusPorusus@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: RE: [CrocodylusPorusus] Snake Oil

    Two weeks after taking the "antidote" we both ended going to the doctor today for different infections. We are now taking antibiotics to kill what the "antidote" didn't. It is clear to me that whatever benefit people are getting, it is probably the placebo effect. Often in clinical trials the people getting the sugar pill get better.
     
    As to how "they all" told me, there are various links all over the internet debunking the "antidote". Most of the experts cited on the antidote website are taken out of context and are printed without the person's OK. Dr. James Perran Ross and Animal Planet appear to be endorsing this product, when they do not.
     
    The whole thing looks pretty shaky to me, and it doesn't work for me either.
    -----Original Message-----
    From: CrocodylusPorusus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CrocodylusPorusus@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of The Cosmic Detective
    Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:34 AM
    To: CrocodylusPorusus@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: RE: [CrocodylusPorusus] Snake Oil

    OK Jack(?),
     
    there are those who claim positive results, and so far you are the only one claiming that it "is likely a fake".
     
    It would be helpful if you provide us with the specific information that you have to support what you wrote: "The authorities cited on the webpage of the seller all say they were mis-quoted and do not believe the product works."
     
    How did all of them tell you?
     
    How about having them tell all of us by posting their statements in this groups messages?
     
    Have any or all of them taken actions to have their "mis-quoted" information removed.
     
    What about this independent one from the Healthy New Age Web site, which is not posted on the seller's site? 
    Our science documentary on BBC ONE, has done something very unusual: they’ve actually helped find and isolate a protein which kills resistant bacteria and which could form the basis of a new antibiotic.
    ... of the article.... ANCIENT SECRET OF LIFE Webmaster Endorsement Several years ago, my life went thr ...
    http://www.healthynewage.com/ super-antibiotics.htm - 14k - 29/Mar/2005"

     

    Straight ahead, albeit in a spiraling sort of way.
    ALL Faith, supported by Knowledge, PROTECTS.
    Rama Demetrius Dyushambee, DD
    AKA: INspector Out Rageous, Cosmic Detective
    Founder,      www.YOUtopiaINstitute.org 
    Tel: 619/584-0542 Fax: 619/269-4561

    "LET'S HEAL IT" Original music CD at  StarQuestPublishing -  CDBaby.com - Amazon.com 
     
     
    What The BLEEP Do We Know!?    The movie and more...
     
     
    YOU're invited to Blog This!
    -----Original Message-----
    From: CrocodylusPorusus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CrocodylusPorusus@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Jack at Badflash.com
    Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 1:48 AM
    To: CrocodylusPorusus@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: RE: [CrocodylusPorusus] Snake Oil

    Lots can claim results.
    My wife has arthritus, I have chronic skin problems. I think your readers would be well advised to know that this is likely a fake. The authorities cited on the webpage of the seller all say they were mis-quoted and do not believe the product works. I think the product is a fake.
     
    That being said, if I notice any change I'll let the group know.
    -----Original Message-----
    From: CrocodylusPorusus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CrocodylusPorusus@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of The Cosmic Detective
    Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 10:21 PM
    To: CrocodylusPorusus@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: RE: [CrocodylusPorusus] Snake Oil

    Hi,
     
    thanks for sharing your personal experiences, although you wrote that you will give it more time. What problem(s) did you and your wife take the Antidote for help with? We are all about determining the truth of this matter. As you can see from some of the other messages posted to this group, and the Antidote "Testimonials" page, there are others who claim positive results.
     
     

    Straight ahead, albeit in a spiraling sort of way.
    ALL Faith, supported by Knowledge, PROTECTS.
    Rama Demetrius Dyushambee, DD
    AKA: INspector Out Rageous, Cosmic Detective
    Founder,      www.YOUtopiaINstitute.org 
    Tel: 619/584-0542 Fax: 619/269-4561

    "LET'S HEAL IT" Original music CD at  StarQuestPublishing -  CDBaby.com - Amazon.com 
     
     
    What The BLEEP Do We Know!?    The movie and more...
     
     
    YOU're invited to Blog This!



    -----Original Message-----
    From: CrocodylusPorusus@yahoogroups.com
    [mailto:CrocodylusPorusus@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of jackbadflash
    Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:57 PM
    To: CrocodylusPorusus@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [CrocodylusPorusus] Snake Oil


    I took my dose, as did my wife about 2 weeks ago. I've noticed no
    difference at all, and she is down with some sort of bug.

    I'll give it a little more time, but I think this is a big hoax.
    Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:52 pm

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    I took my dose, as did my wife about 2 weeks ago. I've noticed no difference at all, and she is down with some sort of bug. I'll give it a little more time,...     		jackbadflash
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    2:01 am

    Hi, thanks for sharing your personal experiences, although you wrote that you will give it more time. What problem(s) did you and your wife take the Antidote...
    		The Cosmic Detective
    vishnuaspect
    Offline Send Email     		Jun 21, 2005
    2:28 am

    Lots can claim results. My wife has arthritus, I have chronic skin problems. I think your readers would be well advised to know that this is likely a fake. The...
    		Jack at Badflash.com
    jackbadflash
    Offline Send Email     		Jun 21, 2005
    11:51 am

    OK Jack(?), there are those who claim positive results, and so far you are the only one claiming that it "is likely a fake". It would be helpful if you provide...
    		The Cosmic Detective
    vishnuaspect
    Offline Send Email     		Jun 21, 2005
    12:41 pm

    Two weeks after taking the "antidote" we both ended going to the doctor today for different infections. We are now taking antibiotics to kill what the...
    		Jack at Badflash.com
    jackbadflash
    Offline Send Email     		Jun 22, 2005
    1:17 am

    The most popular Search Engine/Portal on the Internet does not list "various links all over the internet debunking the "antidote", as you claim. Here is the...
    		The Cosmic Detective
    vishnuaspect
    Offline Send Email     		Jun 22, 2005
    1:54 pm

    Lets start with their shadey buisness practices. http://totalobscurity.typepad.com/moronics/2004/10/ "These guys sell their fake antidote through several...
    		Jack at Badflash.com
    jackbadflash
    Offline Send Email     		Jun 23, 2005
    3:40 am

    Thanks much for the links to the info indicating that the Antidote is a hoax. It is clear that there are those who claim it does not work, as well as those who...
    		The Cosmic Detective
    vishnuaspect
    Offline Send Email     		Jun 23, 2005
    5:06 am

    Look, I know you want this stuff to work. We all do. That is why they get away with this. If it actually worked, wouldn't real clinical trials have proved it,...
    		Jack at Badflash.com
    jackbadflash
    Offline Send Email     		Jun 23, 2005
    11:18 am

    Whether I, or anyone else, want it to work, or whether some others don't want it to work, is insignificant to whether it works or not - It either does or it...
    		The Cosmic Detective
    vishnuaspect
    Offline Send Email     		Jun 23, 2005
    1:12 pm
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