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#130 From: roseann hamilton <rosalita3466@...>
Date: Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:43 pm
Subject: PLANSULIN
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HELLO THIS IS ROSE HAMILTON AND I WAS JUST WONDERING
ABOUT THE NEW DIABETIC MEDS THAT YOU ARE GETTING AND
HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO COMBETIC AND IS THE COST LOWER?
I HAVE STOPPED TAKING COMBETIC BECAUSE I JUST CANT
AFFORD THE COST. YOU DONT EVEN GET A MONTH SUPPLY IN
ONE BOTTLE AND IT DOES GET EXPENSIVE.


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#129 From: roseann hamilton <rosalita3466@...>
Date: Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:06 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Combetic Supply
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--- rosalita3466 <rosalita3466@...> wrote:

> HELLO, THIS IS ROSE HAMILTON. I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF
> PLANSULIN. IS IT
> NEW. AND COULD I HAVE SOME INFORMATION ON IT. IS IT
> BETTER THAN
> COMBETIC AND CHEAPER?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- In CombeticFamily@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Roberts"
> <awonderwater@...> wrote:
> >
> > Combetic Family Members:
> >
> > Combetic Family Members:
> >
> > As you know, we have experienced an interruption
> with our source
> of
> > Combetic. We should be getting the coated Combetic
> in this week.
> We
> > apologize for any inconvenience this may have
> caused you.
> >
> > We are in the process of assuring a constant
> unlimited supply of
> > Combetic in the future. An effective reliable
> source of Combetic
> is
> > vital to us and our customers.
> >
> > We are also encouraged with another Chinese
> formula called
> Plansulin
> > that has effectiveness for type I and type II
> diabetes.
> >
> > Please keep us in your prayers as we pray for each
> of you.
> >
> > Be Blessed,
> >
> > Rob
> >
>
>
>



rose hamilton





      
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#128 From: "rosalita3466" <rosalita3466@...>
Date: Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:07 pm
Subject: Re: Combetic Supply
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HELLO, THIS IS ROSE HAMILTON. I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF PLANSULIN. IS IT
NEW. AND COULD I HAVE SOME INFORMATION ON IT. IS IT BETTER THAN
COMBETIC AND CHEAPER?











-- In CombeticFamily@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Roberts"
<awonderwater@...> wrote:
>
> Combetic Family Members:
>
> Combetic Family Members:
>
> As you know, we have experienced an interruption with our source
of
> Combetic. We should be getting the coated Combetic in this week.
We
> apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you.
>
> We are in the process of assuring a constant unlimited supply of
> Combetic in the future. An effective reliable source of Combetic
is
> vital to us and our customers.
>
> We are also encouraged with another Chinese formula called
Plansulin
> that has effectiveness for type I and type II diabetes.
>
> Please keep us in your prayers as we pray for each of you.
>
> Be Blessed,
>
> Rob
>

#127 From: "Rob Roberts" <awonderwater@...>
Date: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:12 pm
Subject: Combetic Supply
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Combetic Family Members:

Combetic Family Members:

As you know, we have experienced an interruption with our source of
Combetic. We should be getting the coated Combetic in this week. We
apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you.

We are in the process of assuring a constant unlimited supply of
Combetic in the future. An effective reliable source of Combetic is
vital to us and our customers.

We are also encouraged with another Chinese formula called Plansulin
that has effectiveness for type I and type II diabetes.

Please keep us in your prayers as we pray for each of you.

Be Blessed,

Rob

#126 From: "Rob Roberts" <awonderwater@...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:29 pm
Subject: Re: Potential Health Benefits of Jiaogulan, Key Ingredient in Combetic
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Elaine:

No, I have not YET tried the tea myself. Please report back to us
your good results from drinking it. This explains the spike in higher
blood pressure for some of our hypertension Combetic users. The heart
pumps stronger and increases the blood pressure. When the blood
vessels normalize themselves in about a week, the blood pressure
returns to a more normal level. Notice that the Jiaogulan in Combetic
is composed of the leaves and root.

I am currently trying a different Chinese herbal formula for my type
I diabetes that looks promising so far. I have six more months of
treatment.

Thanks for your interest because it motivates me More.

Be Blessed,
Rob

--- In CombeticFamily@yahoogroups.com, "Elaine T" <earnyla@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Rob! Have you tried this tea yourself? I'm wondering about
ordering
> some, out of curiosity. I am a tea drinker, anyway, not a coffee
drinker...
> always looking for good teas. This sounds really interesting.
>
> Elaine
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Rob Roberts
> Date: 6/13/2007 8:26:32 PM
> To: CombeticFamily@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [CombeticFamily] Potential Health Benefits of Jiaogulan,
Key
> Ingredient in Combetic
>
> Combetic Family:
>
> Here is a link to information about a key ingredient in Combetic:
>
> http://www.immortalitea.com/health%20benefits%20jiaogulan.htm
>
> Be Blessed,
>
> Rob
>

#125 From: "Elaine T" <earnyla@...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:11 am
Subject: Re: Potential Health Benefits of Jiaogulan, Key Ingredient in Combetic
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Thanks, Rob! Have you tried this tea yourself? I'm wondering about ordering some, out of curiosity. I am a tea drinker, anyway, not a coffee drinker... always looking for good teas. This sounds really interesting.
 
Elaine
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 6/13/2007 8:26:32 PM
Subject: [CombeticFamily] Potential Health Benefits of Jiaogulan, Key Ingredient in Combetic
 

Combetic Family:

Here is a link to information about a key ingredient in Combetic:

http://www.immortalitea.com/health%20benefits%20jiaogulan.htm

Be Blessed,

Rob

 

#124 From: "Rob Roberts" <awonderwater@...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:26 am
Subject: Potential Health Benefits of Jiaogulan, Key Ingredient in Combetic
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Combetic Family:

Here is a link to information about a key ingredient in Combetic:

http://www.immortalitea.com/health%20benefits%20jiaogulan.htm

Be Blessed,

Rob

#123 From: rockn2034@...
Date: Tue May 29, 2007 1:06 am
Subject: Re: Type 1.5 Diabetes Article
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Hey, how are you doing?  I hope and pray all is well.  Have you heard about the operation yet?
 
Robin




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#122 From: "Rob Roberts" <awonderwater@...>
Date: Mon May 7, 2007 5:10 am
Subject: Type 1.5 Diabetes Article
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Combetic Family:


Here is a link to a description of Type 1.5 also known as Slow Onset
Type 1 and LADA (Latent Autoimmune Diabetes in Adults).

http://www.diabetesnet.com/diabetes_types/diabetes_type_15.php

My new doctor just diagnosed me as a type I LADA diabetic because my C-
Peptide blood test came back at .5 on a scale of 1-5 of my pancreas
producing natural insulin.

Be Blessed,

Rob

#121 From: "Rob Roberts" <awonderwater@...>
Date: Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:58 pm
Subject: Hope of Diabetes Treatment
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Combetic Family:

In case you missed it, ABC News showed some interesting research about
stem cell therapy on T.V. yesterday. This is the link to their article:
  http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2007/s1894827.htm

Be Blessed,
Rob

#120 From: "Rob Roberts" <awonderwater@...>
Date: Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:15 pm
Subject: Combetic
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Combetic Family:

We have been experiencing different effectiveness from the users of
the new blister pack uncoated tablets of Combetic. We are now
offering only the coated tablets in the bottles to assure the best
consistent effectiveness. We will continue to offer the uncoated
tablets to the customers who prefer it until we run out.

It was the decision of the manufacture to only offer the uncoated
tablets and Third Day Resources had no input in that decision. We
apologize for any inconvenience that the uncoated tablet may have
caused anyone. Your safety and effectiveness of managing your
diabetes is our top priority.

We got a call from a customer that has started on the uncoated
tablets with good results. They started taking the coated tablets
again and their blood sugar stayed higher than usual. After they
broke the coated tablet in half before taking it, their original good
results of effectiveness returned.

We have some customers that have found the uncoated tablets to be
more effective than the coated. For the most part, our customers say
the coated tablets are more effective. As you know, we are all
different and our bodies need certain supplements to help us function
properly. Please post your results and what works best for you.
Remember if you mention other supplements that you take, please do
not promote the sale of the product unless someone personally e-mails
you with a request for more details.

Thank you for your continued active participation to help family
members stay in touch with the effective use of Combetic.

Be Blessed,
Rob

#119 From: "Rob Roberts" <awonderwater@...>
Date: Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:06 am
Subject: Combetic
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Combetic Family:

Third Day Resources does not endorse any health products that are not
advertised on our website. Since diabetes can be helped by different
health supplements or treatments, please be careful as you mention any
success with different products or therapies. Please remember that
what works for someone, may not work for someone else. Our forum is
not to be used to advertise your successful products for the purpose
of making money or multi-level marketing. If someone mentions a
product, ingredient, formula or treatment of diabetes, please do your
own research and do not ask how you can purchase anything on the
forum. Your personal e-mails to each other are strictly your own business.

Our main focus is to keep informed about the success of Combetic and
to share our experiences and research about diabetes so we can conquer
the disease together. We thank everyone for caring and sharing your
experiences and thoughts as we continue to encourage better diabetes
control for the future.

Thanks,
Rob

#117 From: "Candy Muir" <candyjmuir@...>
Date: Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:50 pm
Subject: RE: Re: enzymes and health
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snakedoctor,
 
My intention was like the konjac web site information- INFORMATIONAL.  I personally appreciated that he gave us the web site to check out.  It is not an advertisement as such.  If no one wants the information, they can delete it.  Most of us are looking for answers to our many metabolic problems that are associated with diabetes.  Education and information is the way to learn.  If all agree they do not want the information- FINE I will not give out information ever again!!!
 
Candy
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 2/13/2007 7:24:55 AM
Subject: [CombeticFamily] Re: enzymes and health

--- In CombeticFamily@yahoogroups.com, "Candy Muir" <candyjmuir@...>
wrote:
>
> To my health conscious friends,
>
> I have attached some important information about your health and
enzymes. If you are looking for a good quality enzyme product I have
it. Just give me a call.
>
>
> Candy Muir RN CNT
> www.nuhealth.us
> www.lemongrassspa.com
> candyjmuir@...
>
Combetic Users:

I feel that this user group should be limited to and concentrate solely
on Combetic and diabetes and not be a forum for the sale of products
and services.


#116 From: Margie Sweitzer <margiesweitzer@...>
Date: Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:54 am
Subject: RE: Re: enzymes and health
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I totally agree!  Thanks.  Margie Sweitzer


--- "jlw1969@..." <jlw1969@...>
wrote:

> >
> Combetic Users:
>
> I feel that this user group should be limited to and
> concentrate solely
> on Combetic and diabetes and not be a forum for the
> sale of products
> and services.
>
> I second that motion. :)
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: snakedoctor48
> To: CombeticFamily@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 2/13/2007 11:27:27 AM
> Subject: [CombeticFamily] Re: enzymes and health
>
>
> --- In CombeticFamily@yahoogroups.com, "Candy Muir"
> <candyjmuir@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > To my health conscious friends,
> >
> > I have attached some important information about
> your health and
> enzymes. If you are looking for a good quality
> enzyme product I have
> it. Just give me a call.
> >
> >
> > Candy Muir RN CNT
> > www.nuhealth.us
> > www.lemongrassspa.com
> > candyjmuir@...
> >
> Combetic Users:
>
> I feel that this user group should be limited to and
> concentrate solely
> on Combetic and diabetes and not be a forum for the
> sale of products
> and services.
>
>
>

#115 From: "jlw1969@..." <jlw1969@...>
Date: Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:46 pm
Subject: RE: Re: enzymes and health
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>
Combetic Users:

I feel that this user group should be limited to and concentrate solely
on Combetic and diabetes and not be a forum for the sale of products
and services.


#114 From: "snakedoctor48" <buchr@...>
Date: Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:23 pm
Subject: Re: enzymes and health
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--- In CombeticFamily@yahoogroups.com, "Candy Muir" <candyjmuir@...>
wrote:
>
> To my health conscious friends,
>
> I have attached some important information about your health and
enzymes.  If you are looking for a good quality enzyme product I have
it.  Just give me a call.
>
>
> Candy Muir RN CNT
> www.nuhealth.us
> www.lemongrassspa.com
> candyjmuir@...
>
Combetic Users:

I feel that this user group should be limited to and concentrate solely
on Combetic and diabetes and not be a forum for the sale of products
and services.

#113 From: "Candy Muir" <candyjmuir@...>
Date: Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:21 am
Subject: enzymes and health
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To my health conscious friends,
 
I have attached some important information about your health and enzymes.  If you are looking for a good quality enzyme product I have it.  Just give me a call.
 
 
Candy Muir RN CNT


#112 From: rockn2034@...
Date: Fri Feb 9, 2007 1:25 am
Subject: Re: Type I Diabetes Treatment
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WOW.  Maybe we are close. 

#111 From: "Rob Roberts" <awonderwater@...>
Date: Fri Feb 9, 2007 5:53 am
Subject: Type I Diabetes Treatment
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Diabetes Reversed: FDA Authorizes Human Trials
posted 04/21/2006

After successfully demonstrating that a groundbreaking treatment
strategy can reverse type 1 diabetes in animal studies, the FDA has
given the go-ahead for researchers from the University of Pittsburgh
Medical Center to begin a phase I trial evaluating the treatment in
humans.

The FDA approved the start of a clinical trial to evaluate the safety
and feasibility of the treatment. The trial is expected to begin
sometime this spring and will include at least 15 patients over the
age of 18, with type 1 diabetes.

The treatment involves specific modification of dendritic cells.
University of Pittsburgh researcher Dr Massimo Trucco and his team
found that by removing dendritic cells from the blood during a two-to
four-hour procedure, some 20 million dendritic cells can be harvested.

Dendritic cells are cells found in the bloodstream and normally
function as one of nature's most efficient immune function cells. The
cells identify foreign substances such as cancer cells, process these
foreign substances, and then jumpstart the immune response by bringing
these foreign substances to the attention of T cells.

Once harvested, researchers then combine the dendritic cells with
specific blockers of molecules, known as CD40, CD80 and CD86, all of
which can be synthesized in a laboratory. This treatment strategy was
found to inhibit the interaction and destructive effect of T cells on
the insulin-producing beta cells of the pancreas, a process that is
known to be a critical part of how diabetes occurs.

Subcutaneous injection of dendritic cells into the abdominal/pelvic
area near the pancreas and lymph nodes, blocks the T cells as they
travel to the pancreas to destroy beta cells.

"We did this in mice, giving them six injections over the course of
several weeks. The injections interrupted the T cell and beta cell
interaction, allowing the beta cells in the pancreas to regenerate.
This enabled the pancreas of the mice to begin producing insulin
again," said Dr Trucco. "The injections proved capable of stopping
this vicious cycle, and through this process curing type 1 diabetes in
a mouse."

Source: Diabetes In Control

#110 From: "Rob Roberts" <awonderwater@...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2007 2:31 pm
Subject: Combetic Orders
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To All Combetic Family Customers:

We now offer Combetic with only the original coated tablets in the
bottle.  Also, we are having technical problems with our ordering
shopping cart on the website. Until we get the problem fixed, please
e-mail lois@... if you would like to order Combetic
with your credit card so Lois may call you for more information.

Thank You,
Rob and Lois Roberts
http://www.thirddayresources.com
865-681-1596

#109 From: "Candy Muir" <candyjmuir@...>
Date: Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:08 am
Subject: RE: Konjac
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Rob,
 
I reviewed the web site and ordered some of the noodles and powder.  By the way I am familiar with konjac.  I have used a konjac tablet off and on since 1999 as the GNLD company has used it in their GR2 control wt. loss program.  I lost 15 pounds in 6 weeks with it as a new diabetic and felt great!  So glad to know you can also buy noodles with it.  If anyone is interested in the GR2 appetite reducer and GR2 wt loss program have them send me an e-mail as I am still a GNLD distributor.  It is great stuff!
 
Candy Muir RN CNT
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 12/20/2006 12:37:12 PM
Subject: [CombeticFamily] Konjac

Combetic Family:

This is worth checking into and please post your feedback:

http://www.konjacfoods.com/index.htm

Happy Holidays,

Rob


#108 From: "Rob Roberts" <awonderwater@...>
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:31 pm
Subject: Konjac
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Combetic Family:

This is worth checking into and please post your feedback:

http://www.konjacfoods.com/index.htm

Happy Holidays,

Rob

#107 From: "Rob Roberts" <awonderwater@...>
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:21 pm
Subject: New Testimony
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Trina:

We rejoice about your miracle results with Combetic and the good it
will do for you, your family and everyone that knows about your testimony.

May I post your testimony on the Third Day Resources' website?
I will only use your first and last name.

I have forwarded your testimony to Dr. Khoo.

Be Blessed,

Rob

#106 From: mysterybbw2@...
Date: Sun Dec 17, 2006 10:05 pm
Subject: HbA1C from 13.2 to 5.0 in 6 mths---My Testimonial
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I was first diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes in 1996. I tried many different medications including insulin for a year and half (gaining 60 lbs) fighting constant hunger, low blood sugar episodes, etc. I finally went on a very low carb diet and was able to get my HBA1c down to about 6.5 after going off all medications.  My HbA1c gradually drifted up to 7.5 but I was fairly content with that (always having high morning BG of 160-180 or so).
 
In March of this year 2006, I developed lower back pain, perhaps related to a disc herniation or nerve compression (the docs don't agree). This caused severe and increasing pain over the next few months. Due to the pain and lack of sleep, my BG was often in the high 400s morning and night...even with very low carb dieting, I could only get down to the high 300s. My HbA1c at the beginning of May was 13.2.
 
The condition in my right leg continued to deteriorate. By July I was falling frequently, could not drive since I could not lift my leg at all, and was in a wheelchair a great deal of the time. I was continuing to eat low carb, but could only get my morning BG down to the high 200s. I discovered Combetic and started with 1/2 of a tablet with each meal the second week of July. By August 1, my HbA1c was down to 10.4, a reduction of 3% and as good or better than most medications. (If you read the ads, most prescription drugs only promise an HbA1C reduction of 1 or 2 %.)
 
I was finally able to get an appt with an endocrinologist and diabetes specialist who was confortable with the use of supplements. He hadn't seen Combetic before but often recommended a cinnamon and fenugreek combo to his patients. He was willing to let me continue with no prescription meds since my meter readings were averaging 130 (mornings 160-180). My plan was eating fairly low carb and taking a Combetic with each meal.
 
My most recent HbA1C was Nov.15th. It came back as 5.0. I assumed there must have been a mistake so I called and requested a lab slip for a different lab. That one came back 5.6... so I'm averaging it at 5.3. (It's definitely a thrill to read "non-diabetic" on the report.)
 
Combetic has been a miracle in my life and I thank Third Day Resources for making this available. 
 
Trina

#105 From: "Rob Roberts" <awonderwater@...>
Date: Sat Dec 9, 2006 5:28 am
Subject: The Bread of Life
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Combetic Family:

Here is an article that we should take seriously because of our
mineral deficiencies:

Phytic Acid Friend or Foe
The Soaking of Grains Investigated
By Sue Becker

Since 1992 I have been teaching others the health benefits of freshly
milled whole grains.  I have heard literally hundreds of testimonies
of improved health, from minor issues to life threatening ones.  What
a confirmation these testimonies have been to the truths that have
been taught.

Over the years, though, conflicting messages have arisen from time to
time.  When questioned concerning these teachings, I would research
each one as to their validity.  Most of the time I found some truth
mixed with error.  I chose to answer these questions on a personal
level as they arose.  I did not wish to get in a public arena of
debate, choosing instead to just let truth prevail, and it always has.
  I have watched books, diets and teachers come and go. However, there
is a teaching I feel I must address formally. It is causing quite a
stir among those of us who have embraced the lifestyle of milling our
own grains.  I have searched, studied and agonized over the subject
for the past 4 or 5 years.  My desire was not to prove any one wrong,
but I had to know that what I was teaching was correct.  If I was
teaching error I had to change.  It is my desire to present to you my
findings and let you make an educated decision as to what is correct.
The subject is phytic acid and the sprouting or soaking of grains.
Phytic acid is considered by some as an anti-nutrient component found
in the bran portion of all grains and beans.  It is being taught that
"untreated" phytic acid can combine with calcium, magnesium, copper,
iron and especially zinc in the intestinal tract and block their
absorption.  It is being said that a diet high in unfermented whole
grains supposedly can lead to serious mineral deficiencies and bone
loss.  It is also suggested that long term consumption of these
untreated phytates may lead to irritable bowel syndrome and other
serious adverse affects.

Statements are also being made that imply that grains have always been
eaten in their sprouted form and that "our ancestors and virtually all
pre-industrialized people only ate grains that were soaked or
fermented". Nourishing Tradition by  Sally Fallon pg.452
My first thought is, that I see no reference of sprouting grains in
the scripture.  Many people refer to Ezekiel 4:9 as the first mention
of sprouted bread.  Careful examination of the verse however, gives no
indication that the grains are sprouted.  God's instruction to Ezekiel
is to take "wheat, spelt, barley, millet, lentils and beans" and
to put them into "one vessel".  A word study done on "one vessel"
showed that it means exactly that – one container.  I do not see any
indication of sprouting.  One must remember that each of these grains
or beans was used separately for food, for example barley loaves or
spelt bread.  The instruction to Ezekiel appears clear to me.  God did
not want Ezekiel to make a variety of breads out of the individual
grains, but one bread out of the grains combined.  Individually,
grains and beans lack certain necessary amino acids, the building
blocks of proteins.  However, when grains and bean are combined, they
perfectly complement each other, forming a complete protein.  In a
long term fast, much body mass is lost due to a lack of nourishment,
particularly protein.   When grains or beans are sprouted some protein
is lost.  I believe this bread was not sprouted, and the incredible
supply of complete protein and other nutrients perfectly nourished
Ezekiel for over 400 days!

It is taught by some that grains were harvested differently in
Biblical days than now.  This is Jordon Rubin's best argument as to
why there is no evidence of the sprouting of grains in the Bible. The
teachings of Dr. Edward Howell are quoted and embraced as truth by
both Sally Fallon and Jordon Rubin. "Dr. Howell noticed that the old
harvesting techniques helped preserve and enhance the nutrition value
of the grain.  After cutting the mature grains in the field, farmers
would gather the stalks and loosely bind them upright in sheaves and
let them stand overnight in the field before threshing them (or
removing the grain from the grass stalks) the next day.  This allowed
the grains to germinate or sprout".  The Maker's Diet by Jordon Rubin
pg.139 (emphasis mine).  The premise is that this "germination" or
sprouting of the seed in the field broke down the "harmful" phytic
acid naturally so that no further soaking of the grain was necessary.
Dr. Howell's statement is so simplistically wrong I truly thought I
was missing something!  No seed can begin to germinate or sprout and
then be stored.  The sprouting process can not be put on hold.  It is
like being pregnant – you are or you aren't. If you are, you can not
put it on hold and save the baby until you are ready for it.  That
baby will continue to grow until it is full term.

It is the same with seeds.  Once the sprout is formed, a full grown
plant is going to develop.  If seeds were allowed to sprout, they
could not be stored, resulting in no seeds for next year's crop and no
food for the winter.  Germination of the seed does indeed stimulate
phytase activity.  Phytase is an enzyme that breaks down phytic
acid and that allows the release of stored mineral which the new plant
needs for growth.  Normally these nutrients are stored securely inside
the seed until it germinates.  The fermentation process of yeast
triggers this same activity and causes phytase to transform non-usable
minerals into digestible ones.  These minerals include phosphorous,
zinc, calcium, magnesium, iron and copper.  Without proper
fermentation, these minerals remain inaccessible to your body.
Allowing bread to rise for several hours before baking insures
maximum nutritional value and the release of these stored nutrients.
I checked with the owner of one of our grain elevators on grain
harvesting procedures.  The owner had just returned from Ethiopia.  It
was harvest season there.  He assured me that the primitive methods
used for harvesting grain in Ethiopia today were the same primitive
methods for harvesting grain used for thousands of years.  The cut
wheat was tied up in bundles, because it is easier to pick up a bundle
than an individual stalk. The seeds must be fully dry at harvest time
or they will not store!  It is not desirable for the grain to get
damp; therefore, it is harvested as quickly as possible.  The only
difference in modern methods of harvesting is that machinery is used
to perform the tasks.  The last thing any farmer wants is for the
grain to get damp!

"Like snow in summer and rain in harvest so honor is not fitting for a
fool." Proverbs 26:1  Amp. version

"Is it not wheat harvest today?  I will call to the Lord and He will
send thunder and rain; then you shall know and see that your
wickedness is great which you have done in the sight of the Lord in
asking for a king for yourselves." I Samuel 12:17 Amp. version

Moist grain at harvest is a curse from God, not a benefit!

The History of Bread Making and Natural Leavens

Since I first began this journey of making my own bread, from freshly
milled grains, the history of bread making has fascinated me.  I have
read many books and articles on the subject.  I have never read
anything to document the statement about our ancestors and "virtually
all pre-industrialized people" soaking their grains. In preparation
for writing this article I have spent even more time searching out and
reading articles on the internet on the history of bread making.
Again I found nothing on soaking or fermenting grains historically.
I think perhaps there is some confusion with the yeast "starters" that
required an over night soak.  Prior to the availability of commercial
yeast, bakers, as well as, homemakers had to "make" their own starter.
  I found two recipes for starters in a cookbook that was printed in
1901.  The cookbook belonged to my husband' s great grandmother and
was a "Careful Collection of Tried and Approved Recipes" compiled by
The Ladies Aid Society.  I figure that would date these recipes in the
1800s. Organisms needed to leaven bread dough could be "caught" from
the air.  Equal parts flour and milk were mixed together to form a
smooth batter.  The raw milk, unlike today's pasteurized milk, would
supply the lactic acid bacteria.  The mixture was allowed to set
uncovered for several days to catch various organisms from the
air.  Once the growth of the yeast and bacteria made a nice bubbly
mixture the "starter" was ready and could be used for making bread.
The day before making bread, this starter was mixed with equal parts
flour and water or milk and allowed to soak or "sponge" for 24 hours
or overnight.  The next morning a portion of the starter was
saved and stored in a "yeast pot" (mentioned in the book of Exodus)
for future use.  Flour, sweeteners, oil and salt were then added to
the rest of the sponge to make the bread dough.  The dough was kneaded
then shaped into loaves and allowed to rise for several hours.  The
entire amount of flour used was not soaked or allowed to ferment, only
what was necessary to make their yeast.  These starters are a mixture
of yeast and lactic acid bacteria.  The yeast does the leavening and
the lactic acid bacteria gives the bread a sour flavor, hence the name
sour dough bread.  These "starters" are often referred to as natural
leaven since the yeast is considered wild and caught from the air.  To
say that natural leaven is not yeast is incorrect. The strains of
commercial yeast used today were isolated, as microorganisms were
discovered, and grown for commercial use because of their hardiness
and viability.  It was more practical for bakers to have yeast readily
available.  I enjoy the flavor of sour dough and first learned to make
bread using a sour dough starter.  But I enjoy the convenience of
bakers yeast and see no difference in the method of bread making
through out history and the way I make bread today, except that I do
not have to grow my yeast.  I incorporate the yeast into my
dough, just as has always been done, except that my yeast is in a dry
form and not from a starter.  I do, of course, lose the sour flavor
contributed by the lactic acid bacteria.

Through out history many civilizations have indeed had numerous
fermented foods as part of their diet.  The fact that many ancient
cultures ate a fermented bread of some sort, however, does not mean
that all bread has to be fermented.   Just because one culture eats a
fermented cabbage food, known as sauerkraut, does not mean that all
cabbage has to be fermented.  Yogurt is a fermented dairy food; does
that mean all milk has to be fermented?  Certainly not! One must
remember that the fermentation of foods was chiefly a preservation
method.   Fermenting grains also offered a variety of texture, flavor,
and aroma.   Years ago, sweeteners and flavoring were not as readily
available to the common people; therefore, grains or flour and water
were often allowed to ferment overnight to give the bland "bread" some
flavor.  The dough was then fried or baked.  Fermenting grains does
indeed break down some of the protein, which is not necessarily
advantageous.  In fact, a nutritional study done on Ogi, a
fermented African corn bread, showed that there were considerable
losses in protein and calcium during the fermenting of Ogi.
Researchers found that "the biological quality of Ogi was so poor it
did not support the growth of rats"! (History of Fermented Soy Foods,
Special Report by William Shurtleff) Common breakfast cereals, such as
oats were often soaked overnight.  Before the process of rolling oats
came along to shorten the cooking time, oat groats could take several
hours to cook to obtain a nice creamy texture.  Soaking the groats
overnight shortened the early morning cooking time.   Our ancestors
were logical people.  To imply that they soaked or fermented grains
because of some innate sense that it was more
nutritious is sheer speculation.

Phytic Acid – Friend or Foe?

Phytic acid's "chelating" ability is considered by some to be a
detriment to one's health.  On the other hand, many researches embrace
this ability to bind with minerals as its most powerful asset.  In her
book, Diet for the Atomic Age, Sara Shannon, lists 11 nutrients in
particular that protect against heavy metal toxicity and radiation
damage.  Phytates bind with radioactive and toxic substances and carry
them out of the body.  Aware of phytic acid's mineral binding
properties, Shannon states that an adequate diet will more than
compensate.  One must also remember that whole grains themselves are
an abundant source of iron, calcium, and zinc.  After extensive
research, Shannon found that the more toxic our environment becomes,
grains are our best source of protection, particularly due to the
phytate content.  She believes that "for optimal health, at least half
of every meal should be grains". Why would one want to denature
something that is so beneficial?   In fact, a supplement company is
actually isolating this "powerful antioxidant" because of its
anti-tumor, anti-carcinogenic, and blood sugar regulating properties!
Studies show that phytic acid, particularly from wheat bran, actually
stimulates the productions of phytase in the small intestine.  The
fact that phytase can be produced in the small intestine eliminates
the necessity of fermenting all grains before consuming them, as in
the case of unleavened breads, quick breads (that do not use yeast as
a leavening), and parched or boiled grains.  Phytase activity in the
small intestine actually increased, not decreased, the absorption of
minerals, especially, calcium.  (Journal of Nutrition 2000:130:
2020-2025).  Over the years we have seen numerous people healed of
life long anemia issues after they began grinding their own grains to
make their bread.  How could this be if phytic acid in the bran kept
iron from being absorbed? Other studies have also shown that this
increase of phytase activity, stimulated by phytic acid, offered
significant reduction in the formation of cancer cells in the colon.
This anti-carcinogenic protection was also attributed to phytic acid's
mineral chelating properties.   If phytic acid strengthen and protects
the colon, how could it cause colitis and irritable bowel syndrome?
Again we have heard numerous testimonies of healing of both colitis
and IBS from eating "real bread".  Phytic acid can be digested by
humans and actually releases inositol during the process.  Inositol is
a key B vitamin necessary for the metabolism of fat and cholesterol.
Whole grains are a valuable source of inositol, as well as choline and
lecithin, which are also important in the break down of cholesterol.
This may explain why so many people have reported a significant
reduction in cholesterol levels once they began making their own
bread from freshly milled grains.  Inositol is also an essential
nutrient in reducing depression.  Again I ask - why would we want to
denature this valuable nutrient? One should really wonder why whole
grains and phytic acid were "picked on" at all.  Why not oxalic acid?
  It is a mineral chelator found in spinach, chard, cranberries,
almonds, rhubarb and other vegetables.  Should we quit eating these
healthy foods as well?  Sally Fallon encourages the use of flaxseed
for its rich source of fatty acids, stating that it is low in phytic
acid.  Yet sources that herald phytic acid as a nutrient, give wheat
bran and flaxseed as the richest sources.   Does soaking the grain
over night actually denature the phytic acid?  Not from what I have
read.  Only about 10% of the phytic acid is broken down in an
overnight soak and that is not enough to make a difference.

Is There a Place for the Sprouting of Grains?

Absolutely!!  In fact I got very excited as I began to study this.  Of
the many essential nutrients needed by your body to promote health and
life, there are only four nutrients deficient in wheat, vitamin A,
vitamin C, vitamin D and the amino acid lysine.  When grains and beans
are sprouted, there is some loss in protein, but vitamin A content
increases by 300% and vitamin C by 500%.  In fact sprouted grains were
used on long ocean voyages to prevent scurvy.  Limes, and lemons would
eventually rot, but the storable grains would last the duration of the
voyage and could be sprouted at any time. Sprouted grains can also be
more easily tolerated by those who can not digest gluten.  As our food
supply gets more and more contaminated and manipulated – our fruits
and vegetables are radiated and picked long before ripening, animals
are fed antibiotics and hormones that then show up in our meat and
dairy products, genetic modification is being done to much of our food
supply – we can become very discouraged and left with very few safe
food options.  Grains, however, do not have to be radiated to be made
storable, they are not fed antibiotics or hormones, and organic grains
are not genetically modified.  From all of this, I see the hand of a
wonderful Creator that made a perfectly storable food, which can be
ground into flour to make delicious breads of all sorts and to obtain
two of the missing nutrients one can then sprout the grains.   Grains,
as I see it are our most reliable food!

The Attack on Bread – God's Perfect Provision

For a long time I have been very concerned as I have watched bread be
attacked from every direction.  The "low carb" diet propagated the
myth that bread will make you fat.  Gluten is treated like some evil
substance, found in bread, when in fact it is just the protein portion
of the grain, with specific health benefits.  This is not to negate
the fact that some people have serious physical issues with gluten.
But the problem is not with gluten.  If so, why is corn such a common
allergen?   It has no gluten.  What about milk?   These are all
wonderful foods that God has given us that are now thought of as
unhealthy when in fact we are the ones who are unhealthy.  We
lack the ability to digest these foods properly.   Now presently grain
is bad because of some mold on the wheat and phytic acid in the bran.
  What next? I believe that the day has come where God is going to use
sickness and disease as a powerful evangelistic tool.  As God's people
we must prepare.  As we turn to His ways of eating, always letting His
word be the final authority, we will see our health return.  As those
around us become sicker they will look to us for answers.  As we share
truth for physical health, we will be sharing truth for spiritual
health.  But if deceptive teaching can prevail and convince the world
that bread is bad, then why would any one want the Real Bread of Life.
Deceptive teaching is a powerful tool of the enemy. We must pray
continually for wisdom. None of us is above being deceived.  In fact
as I have struggled with the validity of this teaching, the Lord spoke
this scripture to my heart:

"You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? … Did you receive the
Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you
so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to
obtain your goal by human effort: Galatians 3:1 NIV version

I do not wish to be either foolish or bewitched.  James 1:5 tells us
that if we lack wisdom we are to ask God who will give it. Throughout
the Bible, bread is considered a symbol of healing or the presence of
God.  Jesus compared Himself to bread because bread, made from freshly
milled whole grains is life giving and life sustaining.

#104 From: "Rob Roberts" <awonderwater@...>
Date: Sat Dec 9, 2006 12:07 am
Subject: New Combetic Packaging
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Combetic Family:

Third Day Resources will be sending Combetic in blister packs instead
of a bottle. We are in the transition phase of providing a new folding
carton for packaging Combetic. There is no longer the white coating on
each tablet but it is the same effective formula. The new improved
changes will provide easier shipping and a longer shelf life for
Combetic. Thank you for your continued interest in the safe effective
use of Combetic for your diabetic needs.

Best Regards,

Rob and Lois Roberts
THIRD DAY RESOURCES

#103 From: "candyjmuir" <candyjmuir@...>
Date: Tue Dec 5, 2006 9:40 am
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: Fw: [Fwd: Zicam Warning] might be better to just have the cold then ...
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--- Here is what snopes.com says about that warning:
http://www.snopes.com/medical/drugs/zicam.asp

Can't always believe everything you hear or read.

Candy Muir


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> To: Alicia Burst ; Amanda Lunetta ; Barbara Eisenberg ; Cathy
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> To: Joseph Zicari ; brian zicari ; Linda Stambach ; Gerri Smith ;
Kathy Montgomery ; Sylvia Grove ; Jim Grove ; Toni Darling ; Fred
Darling ; Regina Cullen ; Marge & Herman Carr
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> To: Sam & Barbara Zicari
> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:49 PM
> Subject: [Fwd: Fw: [Fwd: Zicam Warning] might be better to just
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> Just passing along. click on website after reading.
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> Please see above and below
>
> This is true go to the website at the end......
>
> I need to warn you about a product on the market and hopefully you
> will pass it on to as many people as possible. I felt like I was
coming
> down with a cold last Friday and because I'm around sick family
members so much I wanted possibly head it off. I used Zicam, which
is a gel nose spray which claims to keep a cold from becoming "full
blown." Immediately I had an intense, horrible burning in my
nasal/sinus passages. The skin on my face hurt to touch and I had
pain and burning so that it hurt to move my head. My husband was
here and kept asking if I wanted to go to the ER but the thought of
getting in a car was overwhelming. My face was burning hot and my
nasal passages were so swollen that I couldn't breathe through my
nose and I could see the swelling when I looked in the mirror. It
lasted for about three hours and it was Labor Day weekend and I
couldn't see a Dr. until Tuesday. I have seen two ENT specialists in
the last two days because I have lost, totally lost all ability to
taste or smell. They both told me the same thing and suggested an
immediate course of action. This is called "chemical trauma' and
most times is permanent. I'm going to have a CT scan on Monday and
am on a high dose of the steroid, Prednisone for two weeks.
>
> If there is even a thread of the olfactory nerve left, it will
help to rejuvenate what is left. I have been on the Internet (just
put in Zicam) and there are  hundreds of people who have had this
happen. I am so angry and devastated and saddened right now that I
don't know how to get through this. I cannot handle the thought of
never tasting food again or trying a new recipe or smelling a
Thanksgiving turkey. Cooking has been an absolute passion
> of mine for as long as I can remember and at the moment I don't
see the point of even putting dressing on a salad. I keep thinking
that this cannot be happening to me. I suck on a lemon, bite down on
a clove of garlic, smell a bottle of ammonia, nail polish remover,
anything.
> I'm starting by telling people I love. PLEASE don't use Zicam,
tell your
> friends.
>
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> http://www.zicam-cold-eeze-lawyers.com/
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#102 From: rockn2034@...
Date: Mon Dec 4, 2006 10:38 pm
Subject: Fwd: Fw: Fw: [Fwd: Zicam Warning] might be better to just have the cold then ...
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Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:49 PM
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Just passing along. click on website after reading.

Please see above and below

This is true go to the website at the end......

I need to warn you about a product on the market and hopefully you
will pass it on to as many people as possible. I felt like I was coming
down with a cold last Friday and because I'm around sick family members so much I wanted possibly head it off. I used Zicam, which is a gel nose spray which claims to keep a cold from becoming "full blown." Immediately I had an intense, horrible burning in my nasal/sinus passages. The skin on my face hurt to touch and I had pain and burning so that it hurt to move my head. My husband was here and kept asking if I wanted to go to the ER but the thought of getting in a car was overwhelming. My face was burning hot and my nasal passages were so swollen that I couldn't breathe through my nose and I could see the swelling when I looked in the mirror. It lasted for about three hours and it was Labor Day weekend and I couldn't see a Dr. until Tuesday. I have seen two ENT specialists in the last two days because I have lost, totally lost all ability to taste or smell. They both told me the same thing and suggested an immediate course of action. This is called "chemical trauma' and most times is permanent. I'm going to have a CT scan on Monday and am on a high dose of the steroid, Prednisone for two weeks.

If there is even a thread of the olfactory nerve left, it will help to rejuvenate what is left. I have been on the Internet (just put in Zicam) and there are  hundreds of people who have had this happen. I am so angry and devastated and saddened right now that I don't know how to get through this. I cannot handle the thought of never tasting food again or trying a new recipe or smelling a Thanksgiving turkey. Cooking has been an absolute passion
of mine for as long as I can remember and at the moment I don't see the point of even putting dressing on a salad. I keep thinking that this cannot be happening to me. I suck on a lemon, bite down on a clove of garlic, smell a bottle of ammonia, nail polish remover, anything.
I'm starting by telling people I love. PLEASE don't use Zicam, tell your
friends.


http://www.zicam-cold-eeze-lawyers.com/





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#101 From: "Rob Roberts" <awonderwater@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 12:57 am
Subject: The Meatrix
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A friend of mine shared this with me and I want to share it with you.

http://www.themeatrix.com

Be Blessed,
Rob

#100 From: "Rob Roberts" <awonderwater@...>
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:47 am
Subject: Sweet Deception
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Here is an interesting link promoting a book called, "Sweet Deception"
and the dangers of artificial sweetners:
http://www.sweetdeception.com

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