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Hi Sue:
On no particular issue, but cannot think of a reason to generally stand silent when one speaks so well and wishes to and can; I think this note should copy per your request to the lists originally indicated in the post to which you responded, and am guessing that retaining the cc list caused some bounces back to your email address (?); we can cut out or down the cc list hereafter.
Best wishes :) LDMF.
----- Original Message -----From: sue pooleCc: C-O-P-I-N-G_UN ; dismissed-as-disabled@yahoogroups.com ; ChronicPainCooperate ; pain-in-the-law@yahoogroups.com ; sylvia@... ; CYBERLIBEL-AND-EMAIL ; invisible-NO-MORESent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 6:42 PMSubject: Re: [DisabilityParty] Re attitudinal barriers: A note from Sylvia Caras' appreciated' People Who' which seems pertinent here; with link.Linda:If you believe I should stand silent, let me know.If you coud forward this to others addressed here, I shall be grateful.Thanks,sue----- Original Message -----From: L. D. Misek-FalkoffCc: C-O-P-I-N-G_UN ; dismissed-as-disabled@yahoogroups.com ; ChronicPainCooperate ; pain-in-the-law@yahoogroups.com ; sylvia@... ; CYBERLIBEL-AND-EMAIL ; invisible-NO-MORESent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 3:49 PMSubject: Re: [DisabilityParty] Re attitudinal barriers: A note from Sylvia Caras' appreciated' People Who' which seems pertinent here; with link.Hi Sue:So refreshing on a slightly slow and mini-muggy starting to rain afternoon. These are profound and thrilling matters you put forth here and hardly for only a quick reply, but being online and seeing it - I feel I must reply with appreciation that these topics are broached here. We will have to look at these themes over the long haul; you write beautfully by the way for which we also can be grateful.Some responses: One struggles internally and eternally with dualisms. DId I react enough? Too little? Should the romanitic be a little more classical and the classical a bit more romantic (those romantic classicists and classical romanticists we all know, and we may be among them)? Is there a prcatical opr even ideal golden mean between two faciailly clashing positions? And indeed does it depend "whose ox is gored" before deciding what comprises silence (John Milton: They also serve who only stand and wait)." and what pro-activism?Just some immediate, quite moved reaction to a quite moving and peircingcontributeions. SO much content in your post, I'm sure it will reach deep for many and also help us all confront issues of representation, agency, and comitment. I personally am struggling with a legal instance where what by proof is patently false has been labeled substantially" true. How to respond? How long to respond?Sending cvery best wish, and sure to read your post over and over. KeepumComing. :) LDMF.
for references only: [L. D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D., U.N. Disability Convention Rep. of Communication and Coordination Committee for the U.N. (CCC/U.N.) NGO , and U.N. Rep - Information Habitat NGO. Speaker the National Disability Party and Chronic Pain Caucus Chair, Staff, Disability Grapevine Online Daily Newspaper. Moderator Internet disability/law discussion groups. Member - AARP AAUW ACLU American Pain Society, Trigeminal Neuralgia Association, UN. NGO Committees on the Status of Women, NGO Committee on Mental Health, other Human Rights Working Groups; currently joining Committee on Aging, Also forming: a-world.info: affiliates - womens online rights legal doorway. The foregoing are not paid positions.----- Sign-line revised 072003 : Recipients, please share where there seems a fit: http://home.att.net/~ldmf-docs/announce-c.htm invisible-NO-MORE (peer-2-peer) ; C-O-P-I-N-G_UN (both peer and support/providers, Community of Pain Interest Networking Grps for UN Participation.----- Original Message -----From: "sue poole" <dsupoole@...>Cc: <include@...>; "C-O-P-I-N-G_UN" <C-O-P-I-N-G_UN@yahoogroups.com>; <dismissed-as-disabled@yahoogroups.com>; "ChronicPainCooperate" <ChronicPainCooperate@yahoogroups.com>; <pain-in-the-law@yahoogroups.com>; <sylvia@...>; "CYBERLIBEL-AND-EMAIL" <Cyberlibel-and-Email@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 3:34 PMSubject: Re: [DisabilityParty] Re attitudinal barriers: A note from Sylvia Caras' appreciated' People Who' which seems pertinent here; with link.> By the way, it is my understanding that there is a new postmodernist
> interpretation of the Black Panthers as a kind of "agressive civic club."
> Their growl was much worse than their bite, i.e., and served to waken the
> nation to the reality of segregation of any portion of the human enterprise
> as unjust and discriminatory. Violence and rage as a ways and means of
> obtaining justice are...dead in the water, to my way of thinking now.
>
> I think we can make poisitive and gentle inroads by practicing temperance,
> moderation and patience until we have conquered our own fears of making
> contact with a larger society that misunderstands and relies on stereotypes
> of us as unruly, rageful, inferior and violent. The stereotypes are the
> hindrance to earning respect and contributing to the whole human
> proposition.
>
> I am thinking that greater honor (concessions, kindneses, helps,
> compassions) should be given to those who are weak and vulnerable, as they
> bear the brunt of an unreasoning and illogical hatred aroused by proponents
> of perfectionistm and social Darwinism. I read somewhere that in the end
> Darwin recanted, turned to principles of inclusion and forgiveness,
> acknowledged the interdependencies of humans as *uniquely* human. Upon his
> deathbed, he asked that his household, even the servants, and his friends,
> meet together in prayers for forgiveness and mercy. This is a little known
> aspect of Darwin's conversion to...awe for the creation, rather than
> scientific dissection of it with taxonomies and theories that made false
> divisions.
>
> Perhaps now is a time to strengthen feeble knees and encourage/support those
> who are fainting. Having served as a sort of aggressive civic club, I am
> ready for transition and transformation to usefulness, giving, uplifting and
> working with many persons at all levels to bring to pass a dream of
> inclusion with dignity and opportunity for building interdependent
> communities.
>
> After long struggle, this is where I may be able to take my stand, after
> long wandering from the way of wisdom, which begins with a step of holy fear
> and leads on to forgiving and joining others in the work, if it's only a
> question of supplying a cheerful word once in a while.
>
> > We are all guilty of these things ourselves, in various ways. Yet I
> believe
> > there had to be an anti-movement to achieve the positives...In the same
> way
> > that the Black Panthers made Martin Luther King Jr. look fine by
> comparison.
> > We have been waiting a long time. How much longer?
> >
> > sue
> > From: "L. D. Misek-Falkoff" > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 11:32 AM
> > Subject: [DisabilityParty] Re attitudinal barriers: A note from Sylvia
> > Caras' appreciated' People Who' which seems pertinent here; with link.
> >
> >
> > > > Prejudice
> > > > Discrimination
> > > > Ignorance
> > > Dislike
> > > > Fear
> > > > Invisibility
> > > > Insensitivity
> > > > Insecurity
> > > > Bigotry
> > > > Discomfort
> > > > Stereotyping
> > > > Condescension
> > > > Misconception
> > > Intolerance
> > > >
> > > > http://www.dol.gov/odep/pubs/ek99/barriers.htm
> > > >
> > > > People Who - each other on the internet
> > > > www.peoplewho.org
> > > ---
> > > Thanks Sylvia, LDMF.
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