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The end of summer is right around the corner. You can feel it already, can't you?!?

Insight On A.D.D. Chicago Adult Group is

"Walking out of the Funk"

Tuesday August 26th

Group meets 6:30p.m. sharp at

30 N. Michigan Ave

Suite 918

The walk will last from approximately 6:45-8p.m. and will be lead by certified personal trainer, Jeff Bush. Jeff will take the group through Millennium Park, down to the lake front and back through Grant Park.

This group is an open meeting so bring a friend and continue walking and/or chatting even after the group walk is over!

Please wear comfortable clothing and good walking shoes.

You may also want to bring along some water.

This is a great chance to enjoy the last of the summer nights in a beautiful city setting with some very interesting ADDers.

Laurie Walsh, MSW, LCSW
Insight EAP LLC
312-933-5510

www.insightonadd.com

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#1550

From: janmacv@...
Date: Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:53 pm
Subject: Re: [Chicago-CHADD] Neurofeedback/Biofeedback

jannypalms

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Also, excercise is a big help

-----Original Message-----
From: jackson.roykirk <jackson.roykirk@...>
To: Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 1:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Chicago-CHADD] Neurofeedback/Biofeedback

--- In Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com, m t <m5919@...> wrote:
> I am with you in that 20% group.

So what is recommended for those of us in the 20%?

I've used education as my drug of choice. It's helped with some things,
but I still need more. Ditto for using a PDA for keeping track of
everything in my life.

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#1549

From: Eric Vollmers <eavollmers@...>
Date: Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Chicago-CHADD] Brian Gym?

eavollmers

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Leave it to my ADHD. : ) Yes it is Brain Gym.

Thanks.

Eric

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----- Original Message ----
From: Lew Mills - CHADD of Northern California <Lew@...>
To: Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:37:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Chicago-CHADD] Brian Gym?

> What is Brian Gym?

It could be a misspelling of "Brian Jim", or it could be "Brain Gym." The
latter can be investigated at:

http://www.braingym .org/

Lew

Lew Mills, PhD
CHADD of Northern California, Chapter # 504
mailto:LewMills@chaddnorca l.org
http://www.chaddnor cal.org
Fax or Voice Message: 888-759-9758

#1548

From: Laurie Walsh <llwlcsw@...>
Date: Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:48 pm
Subject: Reminder: Insight on A.D.D. Exercise Group 7/29/08

LLWLCSW

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Insight on A.D.D. Exercise Group
30 N Michigan Avenue

Suite 918

Chicago

6:30-8p.m.

Insight on A.D.D. Exercise Group will begin with a walk! We're going to start slowly and take a stroll through Mellinium Park on our first outing. This way all fitness levels can feel comfortable about participating, and the paperwork is kept to a minimum.

On Tuesday, July 29, this first group will include 20-30 minutes of walking, and will be followed by a group discussion on the importance and benefits of group fitness as it relates to the treatment of AD/HD.

All fitness levels are welcome.

You can help us determine what kinds of physical activity work best in a group setting, and you can share your ideas

about groups in the future.

It's no secret that ADDers desperately need to exercise and clear their minds. Yet, it is often the most difficult area of one's life in which to stay consistent. Groups and classes are designed to help fight the boredom, fatigue, and procrastination.

Be sure to wear comfortable clothing and shoes!

See you on the 29th!

Laurie Walsh, MSW, LCSW
Insight EAP LLC
312-933-5510

www.insighteapinc.com

http://therapists.psychologytoday.com/35083

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#1547

From: "jackson.roykirk" <jackson.roykirk@...>
Date: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Chicago-CHADD] Neurofeedback/Biofeedback

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--- In Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com, m t <m5919@...> wrote:
> I am with you in that 20% group.

So what is recommended for those of us in the 20%?

I've used education as my drug of choice. It's helped with some things,
but I still need more. Ditto for using a PDA for keeping track of
everything in my life.

#1546

From: Lew Mills - CHADD of Northern California <Lew@...>
Date: Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Chicago-CHADD] Brian Gym?

lumyls

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> What is Brian Gym?

It could be a misspelling of "Brian Jim", or it could be "Brain Gym." The
latter can be investigated at:


http://www.braingym.org/

Lew



Lew Mills, PhD
CHADD of Northern California, Chapter # 504
mailto:LewMills@...
http://www.chaddnorcal.org
Fax or Voice Message: 888-759-9758

#1545

From: janmacv@...
Date: Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:13 am
Subject: Re: [Chicago-CHADD] Brian Gym?

jannypalms

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What is Brian Gym?

-----Original Message-----
From: m t <m5919@...>
To: Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Chicago-CHADD] Brian Gym?

I was wondering about this too. I have asked around and could not find anyone who has done this. I would be interested too!

eavollmers <eavollmers@yahoo.com> wrote:

Has any one ever tried Brian Gym to help with ADAD? If so I would like
to know what you think.

Thanks
Eric

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#1544

From: "Rick Prevatt" <Rick@...>
Date: Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:23 am
Subject: RE: [SPAM]Re: [Chicago-CHADD] Neurofeedback/Biofeedback

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Hi Max

You can use NLP in one of two ways, either by learning it through books and or seminars or working with a coach that uses NLP, preferably someone who also has ADD training.

What you’re learning is exactly how your mind creates the ADD symptoms that you have. For example, you would learn what you do, behind the scenes, so to speak to create that racing mind, the distraction, the impulsiveness, etc. It’s different for each person.

Yes, The ADD neurochemistry is there that directly causes the symptom, but our thoughts can cue up that neurochemistry or can circumvent it once we learn how to do that.

People that have learned how to control their thinking this way still get a racing mind, for example, but now they can race their mind when they want to, like while they’re brainstorming, and then slow it down when they want to, like when they’re doing something tedious.

Once you learn the skills, then they are yours to keep, and typically you’d learn enough that when new problems come up, you’d be able to use the same nlp skills to solve those too.

I used this when I was about t o be fired from a job because of ADD problems. Instead of being fired, I got 5 promotions within the year, and took over a division of the company in a different city. I was about to be fired because I was being distracted and making simple mistakes, and couldn’t stay organized and get my work done. After changing the mindsets with NLP, then the same job became more interesting so that it was easy to focus on.

The benefits are sustained after you complete the nlp work though.

Let me know if you have any further questions

Warmly

Rick

From: Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of m t

Hey Rick:

Quick question - Does NLP require ongoing treatment with a physican or is it something that has sustained benefits after a certain amount of time?

Thanks!

Max

#1543

From: janmacv@...
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:21 pm
Subject: Re: [SPAM][Chicago-CHADD] Neurofeedback/Biofeedback

jannypalms

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Hi.

I'm sure you know this...but excercise does help if you can fit it in. And daily list making. And learning to love your disorganized self...and embracing the good stuff of ADD like creativity. food luck

Janice

-----Original Message-----
From: m t <m5919@...>
To: janmacv@...; Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:49 pm
Subject: Re: [SPAM][Chicago-CHADD] Neurofeedback/Biofeedback

I am with you in that 20% group.

janmacv@... wrote:

FYI...I have tried all meds with a very good psychiatrist and none work. It happens with about 20% of people with ADD.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Proko <tjp@...>
To: Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com; m5919@...
Sent: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:31 pm
Subject: Re: [SPAM][Chicago-CHADD] Neurofeedback/Biofeedback

Hey Max,

Quick questions on the meds. You said that meds did not work for you. Do you have a doctor who is qualified. And, has he/she let you play around a little with dosing and the 2 different type of stimulant meds.

I just got to a certain level of comfort with my medication regime. but I am taking the upper end of doses with either Ritalin LA (40mg) or Adderall (30mg) and I take them twice a day, 6 hours apart. I started out with the lower doses, but from what I have experienced and from what I have read, the higher doses reduce the symptoms and the longer acting meds keep me from dropping in and out. Dropping in and out can really make you nuts. And my blood pressure and heart rate stay in the normal range, and I have no problem falling asleep. But, it has taken some time and some real frustration with the medical system.

When I first started this whole discovery process, I started it with a Doctor that really did not know what he was doing. He used the minimal amount of a generic Ritalin, and he was afrai d of prescribing any of the long actings. He tried to get me to go on Strattera and I refused because I read Hallowell's book on Delivered from Distraction. He mentions Strattera, I looked it up and it had pages of side effects and really bad symptoms. (My current Dr. said straight out that it does not work, and neither does Wellbutrin/Bupropion, but there is so much pressure out there to try to find a non-stimulant alternative). He also could not figure out why I needed more of the stimulant so he put me on Provigil. What an idiot. Heart rate went over 100, BP was 190/100. He could have stroked me out or given me cardiac arrest.

I had to fight to find an experienced Psychiatrist that was experienced in ADD. And the first time I found one, he turfed me to a female who had the bedside manner of a shoe, did not want to hear anything from me, talked with an accent that I could hardly understand, and really only wanted to write prescriptions and charge for a re-occuring office visit every 3 months. So the first Dr that I researched was so busy, he just said he had a closed practice and gave me to her. I guess she had no clients and no waiting. But, she did tell me I had to also see a social therapist to do, as she put it, "the Talky Talky" stuff. She actually did a hand puppet gesture with her hand talking like Garfield Goose (should you know what that is)20when she said talky talky. Combine that with the really thick oriental/asian accent, hmmm good stuff for my book, bad stuff for the early care of a late diagnosed adult with ADD. If I did have a question, and had a chance to ask it, she would defensively turn it back on me as if it was my issue.

So, w/o any more of my last 2 years of my life since getting Dx'd,

My questions on the meds,

How many have you tried, what does not work, and do you have a real knowledgable and experienced Dr.

I am curious and I am trying to get a feel for what others do with their Adult-ADD. And how universal the effect of stimulants are.

Sincerely, and good luck to you,

Tom Proko

P.S. I do not know what your age or health is , but I would recommend to any Adult-ADDer on stimulants to have a couple blood pressure machines around the house and at work.

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#1542

From: m t <m5919@...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:50 am
Subject: Re: [Chicago-CHADD] Brian Gym?

mt5199

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I was wondering about this too. I have asked around and could not find anyone who has done this. I would be interested too!

eavollmers <eavollmers@...> wrote:

Has any one ever tried Brian Gym to help with ADAD? If so I would like
to know what you think.

Thanks
Eric

#1541

From: m t <m5919@...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:49 am
Subject: Re: [SPAM][Chicago-CHADD] Neurofeedback/Biofeedback

mt5199

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I am with you in that 20% group.

janmacv@... wrote:

FYI...I have tried all meds with a very good psychiatrist and none work. It happens with about 20% of people with ADD.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Proko <tjp@...>
To: Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com; m5919@...
Sent: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:31 pm
Subject: Re: [SPAM][Chicago-CHADD] Neurofeedback/Biofeedback

Hey Max,

Quick questions on the meds. You said that meds did not work for you. Do you have a doctor who is qualified. And, has he/she let you play around a little with dosing and the 2 different type of stimulant meds.

I just got to a certain level of comfort with my medication regime. but I am taking the upper end of doses with either Ritalin LA (40mg) or Adderall (30mg) and I take them twice a day, 6 hours apart. I started out with the lower doses, but from what I have experienced and from what I have read, the higher doses reduce the symptoms and the longer acting meds keep me from dropping in and out. Dropping in and out can really make you nuts. And my blood pressure and heart rate stay in the normal range, and I have no problem falling asleep. But, it has taken some time and some real frustration with the medical system.

When I first started this whole discovery process, I started it with a Doctor that really did not know what he was doing. He used the minimal amount of a generic Ritalin, and he was afraid of prescribing any of the long actings. He tried to get me to go on Strattera and I refused because I read Hallowell's book on Delivered from Distraction. He mentions Strattera, I looked it up and it had pages of side effects and really bad symptoms. (My current Dr. said straight out that it does not work, and neither does Wellbutrin/Bupropion, but there is so much pressure out there to try to find a non-stimulant alternative). He also could not figure out why I needed more of the stimulant so he put me on Provigil. What an idiot. Heart rate went over 100, BP was 190/100. He could have stroked me out or given me cardiac arrest.

I had to fight to find an experienced Psychiatrist that was experienced in ADD. And the first time I found one, he turfed me to a female who had the bedside manner of a shoe, did not want to hear anything from me, talked with an accent that I could hardly understand, and really only wanted to write prescriptions and charge for a re-occuring office visit every 3 months. So the first Dr that I researched was so busy, he just said he had a closed practice and gave me to her. I guess she had no clients and no waiting. But, she did tell me I had to also see a social therapist to do, as she put it, "the Talky Talky" stuff. She actually did a hand puppet gesture with her hand talking like Garfield Goose (should you know what that is) when she said talky talky. Combine that with the really thick oriental/asian accent, hmmm good stuff for my book, bad stuff for the early care of a late diagnosed adult with ADD. If I did have a question, and had a chance to ask it, she would defensively turn it back on me as if it was my issue.

So, w/o any more of my last 2 years of my life since getting Dx'd,

My questions on the meds,

How many have you tried, what does not work, and do you have a real knowledgable and experienced Dr.

I am curious and I am trying to get a feel for what others do with their Adult-ADD. And how universal the effect of stimulants are.

Sincerely, and good luck to you,

Tom Proko

P.S. I do not know what your age or health is, but I would recommend to any Adult-ADDer on stimulants to have a couple blood pressure machines around the house and at work.

#1540

From: m t <m5919@...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:41 am
Subject: Re: [Chicago-CHADD] Neurofeedback/Biofeedback

mt5199

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Hey Rick:

Quick question - Does NLP require ongoing treatment with a physican or is it something that has sustained benefits after a certain amount of time?

Thanks!

Max
Rick Prevatt <Rick@...> wrote:

Best of luck to you in your work with Neurofeedback. I think you�ll love the results you get with it.

Medication helped me tremendously, but I only tried one dose to see what it was like. I just didn�t want to start a lifetime medicine, because I think eventually the side effects catch up with you.

The interesting thing is that the effects of neurofeedback are there years after you stop doing it ;-)

And if you ever become interested in pursuing nlp, write me and I�ll steer you in the right direction about finding out more about that. I�ve been studying that for almost 30 years now.

Max, let us know how the neurofeedback works for you. I expect there are many people that would like to know.

Warmly

Rick

From: Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of m t
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:25 PM
To: Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM]RE: [SPAM][Chicago-CHADD] Neurofeedback/Biofeedback

Dear Rick:

Thank you for the feedback! I really appreciate it. I am going to try it. I have not tried NLP and may try that if the Neurofeedback does not work.

I have found medication has little benefit for me. Given the price of it, I just can't justify paying for the meds when it has little effect. I know I need something to manage my symptoms and hope this will do it.

Many thanks for your thoughts.

Warm regards,

Max

Rick Prevatt <Rick@addcoachingsecrets.com> wrote:

Max, I have not tried it personally but have known quite a few people that opted for that instead of taking meds, and were very pleased with it.

I use NLP to manage ADD, and it works great, but if that had not worked, Neurofeedback would have been my next thing to try. The people that I have talked to were extremely pleased with it�a couple did it on their own ..sold the machine after a couple of months so it ended up not costing much at all.

Typically, I think 60-120 sessions for an adult ADDer, although they have some different types of neurofeedback now that are supposed to be much faster.

The results are long lasting though, since they �entrain� the brain, instead of stimulating it. People are always surprised when months, and years later they still have the same effects that they did while doing it. ;-)

Some doctors believe in this approach so strongly that they think it�s a shame to try anything else first and that neurofeedback should be the first treatment of choice.

I say use whatever works best for you, although I try my best to stay off of any lifetime medicine. ( I would have used meds though if I did not find another solution � definintely) - Just my personal opinion.

Warmly

Rick Prevatt

From: Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mt5199
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:12 PM
To: Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM][Chicago-CHADD] Neurofeedback/Biofeedback

Hi:

I am wondering if anyone has tried Neurofeedback/biofeedback as a
management tool for ADD/ADHD? If so, how effective was it? Were you
able to stop medication?

I am considering trying it but would appreciate any feedback on it
effectiveness. I have found medication does not work for me and would
like to see if biofeedback may be a good management tool.

Also, if you have any biofeedback provider recommendations in the
northern suburbs of Chicago, I would greatly appreciate that as well!
Thank you!

Max

#1539

From: m t <m5919@...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:39 am
Subject: Re: [Chicago-CHADD] Re:Neurofeedback/Biofeedback

mt5199

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Hey Tom:

Thanks for the "2 cents"...I really mean it. I am gonna check it out when I figure out if the NF/BF is working. First I want to wait a bit to see if the neurofeedback is working...I have tried it and so far, I don't feel any different. I guess it may take a few sessions to start to feel some effects. I don't want to try to many new things at once so I can gage what kind of impact the new method is having.

I do have a hard time staying in one place but love the benefits of meditation. I will have to try it while being a bit more active - walking, etc.

Hope you had a good weekend!

Max

Tom Proko <tjp@...> wrote:

Hi Max,

I have to throw my 2 cents in here. Anything that helps calm you and your mind is great.

I read somewhere that ADDers should meditate while they walk. Some people can increase their mental anguish by trying to sit still and meditate.

I have done martial arts, Tai Chi, Mantack Chia, Breathing (This one is a hoot and it really unplugs you)
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And no, I get no comission for referrals. Try to wait till Deepika Desai teaches it.

My mind is usually more quiet after I have had to focus on breathing and exercise. After I get on that routine for a couple of weeks, exercise and breathing and taking better care of my physical self, I find that I can call up and invoke inner peace and calm much easier. And all of the disciplines I mentioned have that power. But, life creeps in and does not always allow us that luxury.

Also, it depends if you are on meds or not. Meds will give you a calmer mind. And it will be robust and it will be immediate. Either way Neurofeedback and Biofeedback training can only help you. I mean really. One more useful and positive tool in your set of life's tool kit, what would be wrong with that?

Tom Proko

#1538

From: janmacv@...
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:24 am
Subject: Re: [SPAM][Chicago-CHADD] Neurofeedback/Biofeedback

jannypalms

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FYI...I have tried all meds with a very good psychiatrist and none work. It happens with about 20% of people with ADD.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Proko <tjp@...>
To: Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com; m5919@...
Sent: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:31 pm
Subject: Re: [SPAM][Chicago-CHADD] Neurofeedback/Biofeedback

Hey Max,

Quick questions on the meds. You said that meds did not work for you. Do you have a doctor who is qualified. And, has he/she let you play around a little with dosing and the 2 different type of stimulant meds.

I just got to a certain level of comfort with my medication regime. but I am taking the upper end of doses with either Ritalin LA (40mg) or Adderall (30mg) and I take them twice a day, 6 hours apart. I started out with the lower doses, but from what I have experienced and from what I have read, the higher doses reduce the symptoms and the longer acting meds keep me from dropping in and out. Dropping in and out can really make you nuts. And my blood pressure and heart rate stay in the normal range, and I have no problem falling asleep. But, it has taken some time and some real frustration with the medical system.

When I first started this whole discovery process, I started it with a Doctor that really did not know what he was doing. He used the minimal amount of a generic Ritalin, and he was afraid of prescribing any of the long actings. He tried to get me to go on Strattera and I refused because I read Hallowell's book on Delivered from Distraction. He mentions Strattera, I looked it up and it had pages of side effects and really bad symptoms. (My current Dr. said straight out that it does not work, and neither does Wellbutrin/Bupropion, but there is so much pressure out there to try to find a non-stimulant alternative). He also could not figure out why I needed more of the stimulant so he put me on Provigil. What an idiot. Heart rate went over 100, BP was 190/100. He could have stroked me out or given me cardiac arrest.

I had to fight to find an experienced Psychiatrist that was experienced in ADD. And the first time I found one, he turfed me to a female who had the bedside manner of a shoe, did not want to hear anything from me, talked with an accent that I could hardly understand, and really only wanted to write prescriptions and charge for a re-occuring office visit every 3 months. So the first Dr that I researched was so busy, he just said he had a closed practice and gave me to her. I guess she had no clients and no waiting. But, she did tell me I had to also see a social therapist to do, as she put it, "the Talky Talky" stuff. She actually did a hand puppet gesture with her hand talking like Garfield Goose (should you know what that is) when she said talky talky. Combine that with the really thick oriental/asian accent, hmmm good stuff for my book, bad stuff for the early care of a late diagnosed adult with ADD. If I did have a question, and had a chance to ask it, she would defensively turn it back on me as if it was my issue.

So, w/o any more of my last 2 years of my life since getting Dx'd,

My questions on the meds,

How many have you tried, what does not work, and do you have a real knowledgable and experienced Dr.

I am curious and I am trying to get a feel for what others do with their Adult-ADD. And how universal the effect of stimulants are.

Sincerely, and good luck to you,

Tom Proko

P.S. I do not know what your age or health is, but I would recommend to any Adult-ADDer on stimulants to have a couple blood pressure machines around the house and at work.

#1537

From: "Tom Proko" <tjp@...>
Date: Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:31 am
Subject: Re: [SPAM][Chicago-CHADD] Neurofeedback/Biofeedback

tjproko1971

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Hey Max,

So, w/o any more of my last 2 years of my life since getting Dx'd,

My questions on the meds,

How many have you tried, what does not work, and do you have a real knowledgable and experienced Dr.

I am curious and I am trying to get a feel for what others do with their Adult-ADD. And how universal the effect of stimulants are.

Sincerely, and good luck to you,

Tom Proko

P.S. I do not know what your age or health is, but I would recommend to any Adult-ADDer on stimulants to have a couple blood pressure machines around the house and at work.

#1536

From: "eavollmers" <eavollmers@...>
Date: Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:58 pm
Subject: Brian Gym?

eavollmers

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Has any one ever tried Brian Gym to help with ADAD? If so I would like
to know what you think.

Thanks
Eric

#1535

From: "Rick Prevatt" <Rick@...>
Date: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:19 pm
Subject: Neurofeedback/Biofeedback

brainstormery

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Best of luck to you in your work with Neurofeedback. I think you’ll love the results you get with it.

Medication helped me tremendously, but I only tried one dose to see what it was like. I just didn’t want to start a lifetime medicine, because I think eventually the side effects catch up with you.

The interesting thing is that the effects of neurofeedback are there years after you stop doing it ;-)

And if you ever become interested in pursuing nlp, write me and I’ll steer you in the right direction about finding out more about that. I’ve been studying that for almost 30 years now.

Max, let us know how the neurofeedback works for you. I expect there are many people that would like to know.

Warmly

Rick

From: Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of m t
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:25 PM
To: Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM]RE: [SPAM][Chicago-CHADD] Neurofeedback/Biofeedback

Dear Rick:

Thank you for the feedback! I really appreciate it. I am going to try it. I have not tried NLP and may try that if the Neurofeedback does not work.

I have found medication has little benefit for me. Given the price of it, I just can't justify paying for the meds when it has little effect. I know I need something to manage my symptoms and hope this will do it.

Many thanks for your thoughts.

Warm regards,

Max

Rick Prevatt <Rick@...> wrote:

Max, I have not tried it personally but have known quite a few people that opted for that instead of taking meds, and were very pleased with it.

I use NLP to manage ADD, and it works great, but if that had not worked, Neurofeedback would have been my next thing to try. The people that I have talked to were extremely pleased with it…a couple did it on their own ..sold the machine after a couple of months so it ended up not costing much at all.

Typically, I think 60-120 sessions for an adult ADDer, although they have some different types of neurofeedback now that are supposed to be much faster.

The results are long lasting though, since they “entrain” the brain, instead of stimulating it. People are always surprised when months, and years later they still have the same effects that they did while doing it. ;-)

Some doctors believe in this approach so strongly that they think it’s a shame to try anything else first and that neurofeedback should be the first treatment of choice.

I say use whatever works best for you, although I try my best to stay off of any lifetime medicine. ( I would have used meds though if I did not find another solution – definintely) - Just my personal opinion.

Warmly

Rick Prevatt

From: Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mt5199
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:12 PM
To: Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM][Chicago-CHADD] Neurofeedback/Biofeedback

Hi:

I am wondering if anyone has tried Neurofeedback/biofeedback as a
management tool for ADD/ADHD? If so, how effective was it? Were you
able to stop medication?

I am considering trying it but would appreciate any feedback on it
effectiveness. I have found medication does not work for me and would
like to see if biofeedback may be a good management tool.

Also, if you have any biofeedback provider recommendations in the
northern suburbs of Chicago, I would greatly appreciate that as well!
Thank you!

Max

#1534

From: "Tom Proko" <tjp@...>
Date: Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:06 am
Subject: Re:Neurofeedback/Biofeedback

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Hi Max,

I have to throw my 2 cents in here. Anything that helps calm you and your mind is great.

I read somewhere that ADDers should meditate while they walk. Some people can increase their mental anguish by trying to sit still and meditate.

I have done martial arts, Tai Chi, Mantack Chia, Breathing (This one is a hoot and it really unplugs you)

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My mind is usually more quiet after I have had to focus on breathing and exercise. After I get on that routine for a couple of weeks, exercise and breathing and taking better care of my physical self, I find that I can call up and invoke inner peace and calm much easier. And all of the disciplines I mentioned have that power. But, life creeps in and does not always allow us that luxury.

Also, it depends if you are on meds or not. Meds will give you a calmer mind. And it will be robust and it will be immediate. Either way Neurofeedback and Biofeedback training can only help you. I mean really. One more useful and positive tool in your set of life's tool kit, what would be wrong with that?

Tom Proko

#1533

From: m t <m5919@...>
Date: Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:24 am
Subject: RE: [SPAM][Chicago-CHADD] Neurofeedback/Biofeedback

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Dear Rick:

Thank you for the feedback! I really appreciate it. I am going to try it. I have not tried NLP and may try that if the Neurofeedback does not work.

Many thanks for your thoughts.

Warm regards,

Max

Rick Prevatt <Rick@...> wrote:

Max, I have not tried it personally but have known quite a few people that opted for that instead of taking meds, and were very pleased with it.

I use NLP to manage ADD, and it works great, but if that had not worked, Neurofeedback would have been my next thing to try. The people that I have talked to were extremely pleased with it�a couple did it on their own ..sold the machine after a couple of months so it ended up not costing much at all.

Typically, I think 60-120 sessions for an adult ADDer, although they have some different types of neurofeedback now that are supposed to be much faster.

The results are long lasting though, since they �entrain� the brain, instead of stimulating it. People are always surprised when months, and years later they still have the same effects that they did while doing it. ;-)

Some doctors believe in this approach so strongly that they think it�s a shame to try anything else first and that neurofeedback should be the first treatment of choice.

I say use whatever works best for you, although I try my best to stay off of any lifetime medicine. ( I would have used meds though if I did not find another solution � definintely) - Just my personal opinion.

Warmly

Rick Prevatt

From: Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mt5199
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:12 PM
To: Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM][Chicago-CHADD] Neurofeedback/Biofeedback

Hi:

I am wondering if anyone has tried Neurofeedback/biofeedback as a
management tool for ADD/ADHD? If so, how effective was it? Were you
able to stop medication?

I am considering trying it but would appreciate any feedback on it
effectiveness. I have found medication does not work for me and would
like to see if biofeedback may be a good management tool.

Also, if you have any biofeedback provider recommendations in the
northern suburbs of Chicago, I would greatly appreciate that as well!
Thank you!

Max

#1532

From: "Rick Prevatt" <Rick@...>
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:35 pm
Subject: RE: [SPAM][Chicago-CHADD] Neurofeedback/Biofeedback

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Max, I have not tried it personally but have known quite a few people that opted for that instead of taking meds, and were very pleased with it.

I use NLP to manage ADD, and it works great, but if that had not worked, Neurofeedback would have been my next thing to try. The people that I have talked to were extremely pleased with it…a couple did it on their own ..sold the machine after a couple of months so it ended up not costing much at all.

Typically, I think 60-120 sessions for an adult ADDer, although they have some different types of neurofeedback now that are supposed to be much faster.

The results are long lasting though, since they “entrain” the brain, instead of stimulating it. People are always surprised when months, and years later they still have the same effects that they did while doing it. ;-)

Some doctors believe in this approach so strongly that they think it’s a shame to try anything else first and that neurofeedback should be the first treatment of choice.

I say use whatever works best for you, although I try my best to stay off of any lifetime medicine. ( I would have used meds though if I did not find another solution – definintely) - Just my personal opinion.

Warmly

Rick Prevatt

From: Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mt5199
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:12 PM
To: Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM][Chicago-CHADD] Neurofeedback/Biofeedback

Hi:

I am wondering if anyone has tried Neurofeedback/biofeedback as a
management tool for ADD/ADHD? If so, how effective was it? Were you
able to stop medication?

I am considering trying it but would appreciate any feedback on it
effectiveness. I have found medication does not work for me and would
like to see if biofeedback may be a good management tool.

Also, if you have any biofeedback provider recommendations in the
northern suburbs of Chicago, I would greatly appreciate that as well!
Thank you!

Max

#1531

From: janmacv@...
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:07 am
Subject: Re: [Chicago-CHADD] Insight on A.D.D. Exercise Group 7/29/08

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Thanks so much for responding. I won't be able to make something there...

Janice

-----Original Message-----
From: Tina Douglas <tld4513@...>
To: Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 7:35 pm
Subject: RE: [Chicago-CHADD] Insight on A.D.D. Exercise Group 7/29/08

The Insight on ADD Exercise Group will meet at Laurie Walsh’s office - 30 N. Michigan, Suite 918, Chicago.

Phone: 312-933-5510

Tina

From: Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of janmacv@aol.com
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 2:44 PM
To: Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Chicago-CHADD] Insight on A.D.D. Exercise Group 7/29/08

I can't see here where the group will meet. Will you let me know please?

Thanks

Janice

-----Original Message-----
From: Laurie Walsh <llwlcsw@yahoo.com>
To: insightonaddgroups@yahoogroups.com
Cc: chiaddult@yahoogroups.com; Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com; DuPage Group <westerndupageadultchadd@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 10:41 pm
Subject: [Chicago-CHADD] Insight on A.D.D. Exercise Group 7/29/08

Insight on A.D.D. Announces New Group!

Insight on A.D.D. Exercise Group will begin with a trial program on Tuesday, July 29, 2008. This first group will include 20-30 minutes of physical fitness/exercise from 6:30-7p.m., and will be fo llowed by a brief group discussion20on the importance and benefits of group fitness as it relates to the treatment of AD/HD.

All fitness levels are welcome!

Motivation, time, and energy are difficult to maintain all on your own. Take advantage of this one-time, FREE opportunity to share positive energy, and to learn proper exercise form by a certified personal trainer (and fellow Adder).

You can help us determine what kind of physical activity works in a group setting, and you can share your ideas

about groups in the future.

The exercise groups will include a small fee after this first trial group, so join us this time to see if the group is a good fit for you.

It's no secret that ADDers desperately need to exercise and clear their minds. Yet, it is often the most difficult area of one's life in which to stay consistent. Groups and classes are designed to help fight the boredom, fatigue, and procrastination.

Attached are the forms that MUST be filled out and turned in prior to participating. You can either e-mail them back to jeff4fitness@rcn.com or you can fax them to 312-372-3240.

Be sure to wear comfortable clothing!

See you on the 29th!

=C 2

Laurie Walsh, MSW, LCSW
Insight EAP LLC
312-933-5510

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#1530

From: "mt5199" <m5919@...>
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:12 pm
Subject: Neurofeedback/Biofeedback

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Hi:

I am wondering if anyone has tried Neurofeedback/biofeedback as a
management tool for ADD/ADHD?  If so, how effective was it?  Were you
able to stop medication?

I am considering trying it but would appreciate any feedback on it
effectiveness.  I have found medication does not work for me and would
like to see if biofeedback may be a good management tool.

Also, if you have any biofeedback provider recommendations in the
northern suburbs of Chicago, I would greatly appreciate that as well!
Thank you!

Max

#1529

From: "Tina Douglas" <tld4513@...>
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:35 am
Subject: RE: [Chicago-CHADD] Insight on A.D.D. Exercise Group 7/29/08

tld4513

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The Insight on ADD Exercise Group will meet at Laurie Walsh’s office - 30 N. Michigan, Suite 918, Chicago.

Phone: 312-933-5510

Tina

From: Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of janmacv@...
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 2:44 PM
To: Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Chicago-CHADD] Insight on A.D.D. Exercise Group 7/29/08

I can't see here where the group will meet. Will you let me know please?

Thanks

Insight on A.D.D. Announces New Group!

Insight on A.D.D. Exercise Group will begin with a trial program on Tuesday, July 29, 2008. This first group will include 20-30 minutes of physical fitness/exercise from 6:30-7p.m., and will be followed by a brief group discussion20on the importance and benefits of group fitness as it relates to the treatment of AD/HD.

All fitness levels are welcome!

You can help us determine what kind of physical activity works in a group setting, and you can share your ideas

about groups in the future.

The exercise groups will include a small fee after this first trial group, so join us this time to see if the group is a good fit for you.

Attached are the forms that MUST be filled out and turned in prior to participating. You can either e-mail them back to jeff4fitness@rcn.com or you can fax them to 312-372-3240.

Be sure to wear comfortable clothing!

See you on the 29th!

Laurie Walsh, MSW, LCSW
Insight EAP LLC
312-933-5510

The contents of this e-mail message and all attachments are private,confidential and proprietary communications, intended solely for review and use by the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, or the recipient's authorized agent, please 1) do not read the rest of=2 0this email and/or any of its attachments; 2) be aware that any dissemination, distribution and/or copying of this e-mail or its attachments is strictly prohibited; 3) immediately notify the sender of the error by reply e-mail and; 4) immediately delete this message and all of its attachments.

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#1528

From: janmacv@...
Date: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Chicago-CHADD] Insight on A.D.D. Exercise Group 7/29/08

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I can't see here where the group will meet. Will you let me know please?

Thanks

Janice

-----Original Message-----
From: Laurie Walsh <llwlcsw@...>
To: insightonaddgroups@yahoogroups.com
Cc: chiaddult@yahoogroups.com; Chicago-ADHD-Adults@yahoogroups.com; DuPage Group <westerndupageadultchadd@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 10:41 pm
Subject: [Chicago-CHADD] Insight on A.D.D. Exercise Group 7/29/08

Insight on A.D.D. Announces New Group!

Insight on A.D.D. Exercise Group will begin with a trial program on Tuesday, July 29, 2008. This first group will include 20-30 minutes of physical fitness/exercise from 6:30-7p.m., and will be followed by a brief group discussion20on the importance and benefits of group fitness as it relates to the treatment of AD/HD.

All fitness levels are welcome!

You can help us determine what kind of physical activity works in a group setting, and you can share your ideas

about groups in the future.

The exercise groups will include a small fee after this first trial group, so join us this time to see if the group is a good fit for you.

Attached are the forms that MUST be filled out and turned in prior to participating. You can either e-mail them back to jeff4fitness@rcn.com or you can fax them to 312-372-3240.

Be sure to wear comfortable clothing!

See you on the 29th!

Laurie Walsh, MSW, LCSW
Insight EAP LLC
312-933-5510

The contents of this e-mail message and all attachments are private,confidential and proprietary communications, intended solely for review and use by the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, or the recipient's authorized agent, please 1) do not read the rest of=2 0this email and/or any of its attachments; 2) be aware that any dissemination, distribution and/or copying of this e-mail or its attachments is strictly prohibited; 3) immediately notify the sender of the error by reply e-mail and; 4) immediately delete this message and all of its attachments.

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#1527

From: Laurie Walsh <llwlcsw@...>
Date: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:41 am
Subject: Insight on A.D.D. Exercise Group 7/29/08

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Insight on A.D.D. Announces New Group!

Insight on A.D.D. Exercise Group will begin with a trial program on Tuesday, July 29, 2008. This first group will include 20-30 minutes of physical fitness/exercise from 6:30-7p.m., and will be followed by a brief group discussion on the importance and benefits of group fitness as it relates to the treatment of AD/HD.

All fitness levels are welcome!

You can help us determine what kind of physical activity works in a group setting, and you can share your ideas

about groups in the future.

The exercise groups will include a small fee after this first trial group, so join us this time to see if the group is a good fit for you.

Attached are the forms that MUST be filled out and turned in prior to participating. You can either e-mail them back to jeff4fitness@... or you can fax them to 312-372-3240.

Be sure to wear comfortable clothing!

See you on the 29th!

Laurie Walsh, MSW, LCSW
Insight EAP LLC
312-933-5510

#1526

From: Laurie Walsh <llwlcsw@...>
Date: Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:51 am
Subject: Insight on A.D.D. Adult Group Chicago June 24

LLWLCSW

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Insight on A.D.D. Adult Group

Tuesday, June 24th

6:30-8p.m.

30 N. Michigan Ave

Suite 918

Chicago

TOPIC: Addictions and AD/HD

Hope to see you there!

#1525

From: "Tina Douglas" <tld4513@...>
Date: Mon Jun 2, 2008 12:24 am
Subject: CHADD of Chicago Meeting, Tuesday June 3, 2008

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Tuesday, June 3, 2008

The Impact of AD/HD on Couples

Laurie Walsh, MSW, LCSW

Insight EAP
http://www.insighteapinc.com/

Where: University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC), School of Public Health and Psychiatric Institute, 1601 W Taylor St, Chicago, the southwest corner of Taylor (1000 South) and Ashland. Room 532.
Parking: On street at meters or in the lot across Taylor Street.
When: 6:30 pm - Doors open

7:00 pm - Presentation
8:30 pm - Open discussion
Who: Caregivers of children with AD/HD, adults with AD/HD and all others interested in or affected by this illness.

CPDU credits may be earned by attending CHADD meetings.

#1524

From: "Tim R. Even" <time@...>
Date: Sat May 24, 2008 4:42 pm
Subject: NYT on ADHD, The Voices of ADHD

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There is an interesting article in today's New York Times by Tara
Parker-Pope, The Voices of ADHD.  I found the comments and links to be
particularly interesting.

Tim

#1523

From: Evelyn Polk-Green <evelyn.green@...>
Date: Thu May 22, 2008 2:37 am
Subject: Fw: Try The Replay Line Now

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I forgot to share this with you all... Rory has lined up some great folks, and I don't just say that because I'm one of the speakers!!

There is seriously a lot of good information here:

http://tinyurl.com/5bjqwb

BUT... there have been some glitches with the live call ins, so I think he's doing them all internet based now. Please share the information with anyone you think might benefit. There is no charge unless participants choose the "upgrade" option.

Evelyn Polk Green

President-Elect

Attention Deficit Disorder Association (ADDA)

773-454-6190

egreen@...

Save the Dates!

The ADDA Annual Conference Is Back!!!

July 10-13, 2008 - Minneapolis, Minnesota

Celebrate AD/HD Awareness!
Check outADDA's new blog!

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Dr. Rory Stern <info@...>
To: Evelyn Green <evelyn.green@...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 7:48:04 PM
Subject: Try The Replay Line Now

Dear Evelyn,

I was afraid this might happen tonight,
so Evelyn and I prepared another copy
of the call today and recorded it just
in case.

I am in the process of uploading it
to our web-servers as we speak.

You can hear this audio on the web
right now:

http://www.adhdstrategyseries.com/Session-Two.html

I apologize for this inconvenience,
and this will not be happening again.

We will be resolving this issue
immediately - and will most likely
be switching to a web-based format
for the remainder of the calls.

This just isn't right or fair
to you for having given up your
time.

I do apologize, and I hope you
will be able to listen to the call
over the Internet.

http://www.adhdstrategyseries.com/Session-Two.html

All the best,

Rory

P.O. Box 914, Wilmington, MA 01887-9998, USA

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#1522

From: "Tom Proko" <tjp@...>
Date: Tue May 20, 2008 7:01 pm
Subject: Re:search for psych

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