Dear :

Welcome!

You will be receiving an automatic 'Welcome' email after I finish your registration, but I also wanted to Welcome you personally and say a couple of things.


#1,...please do, go ahead and make a short Introduction about yourself....

That'll help everyone in the group to 'know each other', ...better...

Secondly.....How did you hear about our 'group'?


And finally, feel free to email anytime, into the group.  In addition to myself, there are a number of others, who have some fascinating things to say, and to contribute.... in the areas of this group.


Take care


Sincerely,




Mark Kincaid




I'm also listing the other yahoo groups I've created that you're free to check out, too.



Nature's Astrology.... A look at the 'best of both, Western & Eastern' Astrologys.
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If one is interested in receiving exclusively, a reminder of the daily, weekly & monthly, 'Transits' of the Stars, then check out:
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This next group, looks at Consciousness and Jyotish simultaneously.
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This one, looks at simultaneously, Ayurved, Jyotish & Yoga, all concurently.
There are many remedial measures, and treatments in both Ayurved and Yoga, that can be used to very practically, improve our 'Astrologys',....
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AyurvedJyotishYoga/

Also, there's a group, called:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Spirituality_Astrology/
which I formed to look specifically at the areas of Spirituality in Jyotish/Astrology.

This group is for those who might be interested in helping me do research in Jyotish.
I'm presently writing a book on Astrology, West & East, and if you're interested in participating,
please go to:
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And finally, for those who want to more actively, or formally, 'Study Jyotish/Astrology', you can join this group:
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I look forward to interacting with you all, regarding my favorite 'Knowledge' in the World!


Sincerely,



Mark Kincaid



Jai Guru!

Dear Sharalyn:

Welcome!

You will be receiving an automatic 'Welcome' email after I finish your registration, but I also wanted to Welcome you personally and say a couple of things.


#1,...please do, go ahead and make a short Introduction about yourself....

That'll help everyone in the group to 'know each other', ...better...

Secondly.....How did you hear about our 'group'?


And finally, feel free to email anytime, into the group.  In addition to myself, there are a number of others, who have some fascinating things to say, and to contribute.... in the areas of this group.


Take care


Sincerely,




Mark Kincaid




I'm also listing the other yahoo groups I've created that you're free to check out, too.



Nature's Astrology.... A look at the 'best of both, Western & Eastern' Astrologys.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturesAstrology/

If one is interested in receiving exclusively, a reminder of the daily, weekly & monthly, 'Transits' of the Stars, then check out:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturesastrology1/

This next group, looks at Consciousness and Jyotish simultaneously.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Transcend-Meditation/

This one, looks at simultaneously, Ayurved, Jyotish & Yoga, all concurently.
There are many remedial measures, and treatments in both Ayurved and Yoga, that can be used to very practically, improve our 'Astrologys',....
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AyurvedJyotishYoga/

Also, there's a group, called:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Spirituality_Astrology/
which I formed to look specifically at the areas of Spirituality in Jyotish/Astrology.

This group is for those who might be interested in helping me do research in Jyotish.
I'm presently writing a book on Astrology, West & East, and if you're interested in participating,
please go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoeTischResearchProject/
to sign up.


And finally, for those who want to more actively, or formally, 'Study Jyotish/Astrology', you can join this group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kincaidmark/
I'm charing a small financial compensation for this group, since I'm doing more formal Jyotish, here.  Please contribute at least $ 20.00/year.


I look forward to interacting with you all, regarding my favorite 'Knowledge' in the World!


Sincerely,



Mark Kincaid



Jai Guru!

From: "vinita kumar" <shankar_mamta@...>
Reply-To: vedic-astrology@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:12:07 -0000
To: vedic-astrology@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vedic-astrology] Re: 2-Shripal, Q How to dissolve the confusion or tension of malefic planets?, > Mark Kincaid , 3/5 continuation

Hi,

Just felt like joining this thread though it is already quite long....

I read your mail on another forum regarding the malefic nature of
planets and felt like commenting that nearly all my planets must be
malefic the way you have described "malefic nature". But strangely
enough, I too am not fighting with myself too much now and am
strangely at peace with myself.

One reason for this that I can think of is the grace of my Guru.

The other reason I wonder (and this struck me after reading this
mail) is whether the strength of Upachaya houses has something to do
with gaining some kind of a control over one's life, specially in the
later years.

What the 3 of us share (and I am sure there must be many more like us
who have similar planetary conjunctions) is the "crowding" of planets
in one house. For the two of you it is in the 11th House. For me it
is in the 2nd House (Jupiter, Sun, Mercury and Ketu... and Uranus
too, I think).In fact with Rahu and Mars in direct opposition in 8th
house the din and confusion of the "quarells" was too much at times.
But then I feel that my Upachaya houses have helped me (saturn in 6th
and moon and Venus in 3rd for Taurus Lagna).

So my question to you Mark is this. Do you think that developing a
conciousness about "oneself" may have something to do with planetary
conflicts in the first place and distancing oneself from these
conflicts to reach some measure of "peace" may have something to do
with the strenght of Upachaya houses???

Vinita

-- In vedic-astrology@yahoogroups.com, Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...>
wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> Well said agian.Let's move further ahead,my vision is
> getting more clearer discussing with you.
>
> Let's take my chart for example...
>
> Shripal....
>
>
>
>
> Dear Shripal....
>
> Okay!,.... we're on a roll!
> hehe
>
> See below:
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> Well said agian.Let's move further ahead,my vision is
> getting more clearer discussing with you.
>
> Let's take my chart for example as I will be able to
> tell my experience very well.
> DOB:16th March 1980
> Place:Rajkot
> Time:21:00hrs.
>
> 1)Libra rising,Mars+Jupiter+Saturn+Rahu in 11th
> house,opposed by Ketu+Mercury.
>
> As I am having a conjuction in my chart of Mer+Ketu
> and Currently runing Mer-Ketu dasa, I wil predict as,
> my ideas are well ahead of time.I have to currently
> support it all alone.They are from very well fertile
> mind, expecting no returns.People will follow them
> When i will stop talking about that.I will sometime
> little frustrated and aloof from others.
>
> So I am experiencing peak of my conjuction
> currently.when ever Moon hovers or opposes, I am too
> much inner,than outward.
>
> Don't think of it as being 'too inner'.... think of it as being
inner!
>
> With your Moon in your chart, in Pisces, with your Sun, in other
words, a
> New Moon,
> you should find the transits, very important to you.
>
> And when the "Moon's hovering here or there', as you said, then,
you should
> learn...
>
> to be more in-tune with all that!
>
> Even if you want to be outward
> knowing all this things,you just cannot be that.
>
> People strain all the time, against what they what's going on in
their
> bodies, hearts,
> and souls...
>
> Jyotish has taught me how to perceive really what needs to be
done...
>
> And doing 'that', then, life got immediately better, more
effortless, and
> successful!
>
> But
> inner means I am not depressed.But happy withing
> myself,beacuse I know.I like to remember good times of
> past and smile with that and feel a little frustrated as
> currently I cannot experience a same.
>
> When you're feeling to be inner, let yourself be inner, have a
blast being
> inner,...
> go with it...
>
> And let go of any illusion, or mistake of intellect that you're
being lazy,
> or no-good,
> because you're being inner.....
>
> We aren't taught the importance of the inner, in this World...
>
> We're taught to go,go,go!
>
> And, not to pause, to rest, rejuvenate, or transform....
>
> So, we will have many tapes in our hearts and minds, associate with
being
> inner,...
>
> But, meditating since 1970, has taught me a whole world of
appreciation
> about the value,
> the joys and the incredible 'worth'....of that 'inner'....
>
> Now, I go forth, happily, joyously....when the time for the inner
comes!
>
> I let life, my body, my mind, my dasas!, hehe,... even the
transits, tell me
> when it's time to go
> in, and when it's time to go out....
>
> Jyotish has helped to re-claim a whole world of naturalness, that
otherwise,
> gets overshadowed and lost!
>
> I wonder sometime,As I am able to put into words all
> that I am able to experience because of
> Mars+Sat+Rah+Jup opposing Mercury. Am I  going right?
>
> re-read above...
>
> and the importance of being able to 'read', ... inside of
yourself,...
>
> what is needed?
>
> Do I feel find?
> Do I feel the need to rest?
>
> Am I feeling aggitated? angry?, worried?, sad?, happy?
>
> Reflect!
>
> Identify,....'that'....
>
> And then, especially if we identify a malefic situation,...
> then, deal with 'that'....
>
> If we're tired, then, ... rest...
>
> If we're angry, where is it coming from?
>
> Is it due to Mars, out there in the transits?
> Is it due to Mars, in our dasas?
> Is it due to Mars, inside, my Physiology? or in my chart?
>
> Finding where the malefic block or obstacle is,...is key....
>
> Then, we heal that!
>
> We release the bad energy....
>
> We shed the light of life, upon that block of darkness!
>
> And, then, correcting that....having brought the light!
>
> We live in the light!
>
> And then, all goes well!
>
> Once we've balanced ourselves,.... and the darkness, of our
malefics... have
> been replaced
> by the literal, 'light' of .....LIFE!......
>
> Then, we're found living our lives, ...and all is going well...
>
>
>
> Mr. Mark.These opposing planets always fight to come
> out with better next time.You want to be known by
> other's isn't it.AS this was my first part.
>
> Learning how to dissolve this 'fight', this tension, between these
warring,
> fighting, or
> opposing planets is one such battle of confusion, or darkness....
>
> One of mine was I had Sun, Mercury, Venus, & Ketu all in Leo, in my
11th,
> Libra Rising...
>
> And until I discovered how to dissolve the tensions that were
there, there
> was a major block
> in my life...,too
>
> Your 'opposing planets' there, in Leo, remind me of my battle...
>
> Describe to me, more detail as to the nature of the 'fight', and
what you
> feel are the confusions.
>
> Once you begin laying out the battle, the confusions,...
> you then, can bring the light,...
>
> and once the light is brought,...then the confusion, due to the
darkness of
> that inner tension, can be released!
>
>
> Second part
> 1)Mar+sat+rah+jup conjuction in Leo.Know sometimes
> because of Transit and Mahadasa involvement,I feel
> Saturn is strong,sometimes Mars,sometime Jupiter and
> suddenly something happend, yes Rahu is also there,
> that makes me feel,all of them act both ways benefic
> and malefic too.So How I should able to make a general
> staement out of these 4 planes which one is strongest
> and all the time influential.Yes one thing I can say
> not too malefic, as I am not getting too angry or
> having bad habits in life.
>
> Very good.  You're beginning to sort this out...
>
> Each planet represents a part of us, that is either healthy,
balanced, ...or
> not...
>
> Jyotish helps us understand the nature of balance and health
planets...
>
> Planets over there, are good, because they're in their own sign,
exalted,
> friendly signs,
> or good houses...
>
> Planets not in their own signs, or even friendly signs, in un-
healthy
> houses, or conjunct with
> other malefic influences....
>
> are the problems!
>
> Learning to release the tension, and the confusion that may be
there due to
> their close proximity is a natural and inevitable part of your
Jyotish...
>
> One of the things I did with all my planets in Leo, was I ...threw
up my
> hands one day, and said, "Okay, you guys,...go into that, time out
room, and
> sort it out!"
>
> Then I watched them, sheepishly go into some room,...and begin
talking,
> converseing, yelling, being bratty, doing their thing,....
>
> and then, I watched as the wisdom of Jyotish, came forth,...and
they all
> knew the truth,... and
> as they complained, I noticed, a part of me, comforted them, and
geared them
> towards self-enquiry...and then, wisdom...
>
> For, me, one of the issues was sooooo much leo...
>
> And Jyotish has taught me that only one of those planets really
loves being
> in Leo...
>
> Venus in Leo for example, is too selfish in terms of love, Mercury
in Leo,
> is too rigid in it's thinking patterns...because of it's placement
in Leo...
>
> The Sun is in fact, the only entity that is supposed to be there....
>
> Then, there was the tension of being too close together...
>
> Sun was at 18 degrees, and Venus was only 16 degrees, and Ketu was
also 16
> degrees, and Mercury was only at 10 degrees!
>
> So, major combustion going on, and on top of that, both Mercury and
Venus
> were retrograde...
>
> It took me awhile, to sort these tensions, this battle out....
>
> But, eventually I realized I could keep the Sun in Leo,...
> but release the others to find their more happy, natural
dispositions...
>
> focusing on giving,....has been of vital importance to me...
>
> that, and not being rigid with my points of view, has helped a
lot...
>
> and not letting the Sun,....dwarf out the other important
planets, ...helped
> with the combustion!
>
> Sooooo, you need to figure out the battle that's there...
>
> What is the tension between Saturn & Jupiter?
>
> What is the result of Mars in Leo, in Saturn & Jupiter in Leo....
>
> good luck!
>
> Will be fun to hear your thoughts...
>
>
>
> What do you say MARK about this.
>
>
> enjoy!
>
>
> Mark Kincaid
>
>
> Reading this once, then re-read it again...then, let the ideas
settle in....
> and percolate...
> hehehe
>
> ciao!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:
>
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > Very Well said,It is always nice to hear from you.
> >
> > Now as a individual you have explained it very wll/
> >
> > But what about traits that you expreience because of
> > other planets influences.for example
> >
> > 1)Saturn + Moon: So Moon is getting afflicted by
> > Saturn.So indidual is going to be too emotional in
> > nature and may be remaining tense lots of time.But
> > same  conjuct may be bringing him a lot of money
> > from
> > mother side etc.So Moon is malefic or benefic.
> >
> > 2)Venus + Moon :A person of very caring nature and
> > sweet spoken and nice with every one.Who doesn't
> > want
> > to fight with any one etc.Even this conjuct bring
> > lots
> > of money.But he will be passive in sexual matters
> > and
> > very girly kind.Cannot take decision on spot and
> > because of that may loose money or may loose someone
> > important of his life.So Who is malefic andWho is
> > benefic and reason for a same.
> >
> > I want answer for this.Still more to
> > Come......................
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Shripal:
> >
> > Very good, advanced question.  Many people
> > understand the basics.
> > Planets act malefically if they're ruling,
> > generally, 6th, 8th & 12th
> > houses.
> > Other times, certain planets act malefically if
> > they're in their 'poor' or
> > debilitated
> > houses.
> >
> > Your question...about Moon & Saturn being together,
> > brings up another level
> > of question.
> >
> > Moon almost always acts benefically, unless it's in
> > Scorpio, so generally,
> > when with Saturn
> > it's of course, Saturn that'll probably be acting
> > malefically.
> >
> > In my experience of Moon & Saturn together, in the
> > 12th house, you can
> > really sense it.
> > Saturn's lord of my 5th & 4th, so that lordship is a
> > 12th house loss, but
> > even Sani in the
> > 12th is challenging.
> >
> > But, Moon, too is acting 'weak' may be a better way
> > of saying it, because
> > it's the 10th house
> > lord in the 12th... and the quality of loss, of the
> > 12th house is involved
> > with the Moon too.
> > So, for much of my early life, I was devoid, or
> > empty, or at loss, of the
> > naturally positive
> > sides of the Moon, shy, unhappy, lonely, poor
> > memory, and lack of intuition.
> >
> > Though the size being only 1 house away from my Sun
> > in the 11th, may have
> > also been responsible
> > for that.
> >
> > Also, in my experience, it's helped me, learning how
> > to simultaneously
> > strenghthen both Sani, and
> > the Moon....
> >
> > From both angles we can learn to strengthen,... but
> > certainly, leaning
> > towards improving any of the
> > more obvious functionally malefics, is a good idea.
> >
> > You said:
> >
> > Saturn + Moon: So Moon is getting afflicted by
> > Saturn.So indidual is going to be too emotional in
> > nature and may be remaining tense lots of time.But
> > same  conjuct may be bringing him a lot of money
> > from
> > mother side etc.So Moon is malefic or benefic.
> >
> > And you're right.  I noticed feeling very too much
> > emotional, too sensitive,
> > would get my feelings
> > hurt easily when I was growing up.
> >
> > But, I never experienced money from my Mother.,
> > hehe.  When Sani's with
> > Moon, usually grief from
> > Mother is the rule, or distance and no happiness
> > with Mother.
> >
> > In my case, I also had a better Jupiter/Pisces, in
> > 6th aspecting both the
> > Moon & Saturn, and that
> > brought to be a lot of grace and wisdom from my
> > Mother, too.
> >
> > In fact, my Mother, had Jupiter in Pisces, also so
> > we were very close in my
> > very early years, but...
> > even as nice as my Mother would be, I still felt
> > sad, and lonely, and afraid
> > to be away from her.
> >
> > Only when I learned to meditate, and especially
> > learned about the Moon, that
> > I needed to strengthen my own, very Moon, did things
> > start to really change!
> >
> > And finally, you said:
> >
> > 2)Venus + Moon :A person of very caring nature and
> > sweet spoken and nice with every one.Who doesn't
> > want
> > to fight with any one etc.Even this conjuct bring
> > lots
> > of money.But he will be passive in sexual matters
> > and
> > very girly kind.Cannot take decision on spot and
> > because of that may loose money or may loose someone
> > important of his life.So Who is malefic andWho is
> > benefic and reason for a same.
> >
> > Generally you're right, Moon & Venus together are
> > very sweet, and represent
> > a very careing person.
> > For sexuality however, you have to look at Mars'
> > placement and the 8th house
> > lord.
> >
> > Also, 'passiveness' in terms of especially decision
> > makings tends to be more
> > Mercury, and loosing
> > money or loosing someone important in one's life,
> > tends to be Saturn's
> > influences.
> >
> > However if either Moon or Venus rules the 8th or
> > 12th houses, then
> > especially the 12th house lord
> > can give losses.... whatever house it's in, and
> > withwhom.
> >
> > My Mercury rules my 12th house, and being in the
> > 11th, Lord of the 12th, in
> > the 11th, brings losses.
> >
> >
> > good questions....
> >
> > ciao
> >
> >
> > Mark K.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Dear Mark,
> > >
> > > Wonderful exposition of the point .. if its not
> > > asking too much, it will be
> > > very useful if you can indicate the positives and
> > > negatives of all the 9
> > > planets ...
> > >
> > > Also I am curious to know how these negative and
> > > positive traits manifest
> > > per the lordships ..
> > >
> > > Say what negative/positive qualities of saturn
> > show
> > > up
> > > naturally for capricorn as against the aquarius ..
> > >
> > > I sometimes wonder and think that the whole
> > process
> > > of a person being born
> > > in different signs in different births is to learn
> > > to balance the qualities
> > > shown by that particular sign ..
> > >
> > > In effect one way to salvation is when the soul is
> > > wise enough to experience
> > > all the 12 ziodiacs and learns to balance all the
> > > positive and negatives
> > > given by them ...
> > >
> > > which is what Spirituality of asthanga Yoga is all
> > > about ... balance and
> > > transcendance !!
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > >
> > > Surya Vishnu
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 3/4/05
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Surya:
> > >
> > >
> > > You said:  "if its not asking too much, it will be
> > > very useful if you can
> > > indicate the positives and negatives of all the 9
> > > planets ..."
> > >
> > > In short one could say with each planet, there are
> > a
> > > number of Jyotish rules
> > > that would lead one to suspect whether or not any
> > > Planet is acting
> > > malefically.
> > >
> > > However, there's another way to answer this.
> > >
> > > One can look to see if one is experiencing any of
> > > the negative or un-happy,
> > > qualities associated with that Planet, and that
> > can
> > > lead one to get a head's
> > > start on determining that.
> > >
> > > For example, with the Sun.... because the Sun
> > rules
> > > self-confidence, and
> > > self-esteem, whenever a person has powerful or
> > > health self-confidence, then,
> > > it's probably true that their Sun is acting
> > > benefically.
> > >
> > > However, if a person experiences a strong amount
> > of
> > > 'lack' of
> > > self-confidence, and you look at their chart, and
> > > maybe they have the Sun in
> > > the 8th or 12th houses, then one can form a good
> > > guess that it's functioning
> > > as a malefic.
> > >
> > > For the Moon, if the person is fragile
> > emotionally,
> > > or gets their feeling
> > > hurt easily, or especially, has emotional
> > problems,
> > > this is the sign that
> > > the Moon may be acting malefically.
> > > However, if a person is very even, emotionally, or
> > > has very good intuition,
> > > and a strong, happy emotional constitution, then,
> > > these may be good
> > > indicators of strong Moonish beneficness.
> > >
> > > For, Mercury, the functionings of the intellect
> > are
> > > the Astrological 'signs'
> > > whether Mercury is acting maleifically or not.  If
> > > intellect is clear, and
> > > decision makings are easy and effortless then
> > > Mercury may be benefic.
> > > However, if it's hard for a person to think
> > clearly,
> > > say in the case of
> > > someone with Mercury in Pisces, then, Mercury may
> > be
> > > acting malefically.
> > >
> > > For, Venus, the planet that represents the
> > > expressive, or affectionate
> > > heart, one's ability to love, and to appreciate
> > are
> > > the signs of a healthy,
> > > balanced Venus.  If however, the person is cold,
> > or
> > > unexpressive, or even
> > > critical then Venus may be acting malefically.  I
> > > know a number of
> > > individuals who have Venus in Virgo, and they're
> > > extemely hard on
> > > themselves, and have a very difficult time,
> > > appreciating circumstances or
> > > even others.
> > >
> > > For, Saturn, balance, health, losses, grief,
> > delays,
> > > frustrations are all
> > > the negative associations for Sani.
> > > If Saturn is healthy or in it's Own Sign, etc.
> > then,
> > > one is more patient,
> > > calm, and mature, capable to good discipline, and
> > > doing the right thing at
> > > the right time.
> > >
> > > For, Mars, if Mars is positive, one has natural
> > > enthuiasm, good energy,
> > > strong, firm, and a great defender of the weak.
> > If
> > > Mars is found acting
> > > malefically, all kinds of significations of it's
> > > maleficness, will be found.
> > > Some of these include, criminal behavior, going
> > too
> > > fast, having accidents,
> > > being too pushy, angry, negative, etc.
> > >
> > > For, Rahu & Ketu, the primary important issues
> > > include healthy desires or
> > > not.  Rahu/Ketu, therefore, represents the 'desire
> > > mechanism', so if
> > > Rahu/Ketu is positive one has desires but they
> > don't
> > > control, or obsess the
> > > person.  However, if Rahu/Ketu is acting
> > > malefically, then, one is prone to
> > > obsessions, addictions, unhealthy pursuit of
> > money,
> > > power, fame and ego.
> > >
> > > I hope this answers what you were asking.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > >
> > > Mark Kincaid
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ps... As you probably know there may be many
> > reasons
> > > why any planet is found
> > > acting malefically, or benefically.... but to
> > me,...
> > > the key is once we figure out that 'it's' probably
> > > acting malefically, then
> > > that can alert us to do anything to try and turn
> > > that planet around....
> > >
> > > In future emails we can talk about exactly what we
> > > can do to create more
> > > beneficness, especially when a planet's been
> > leading
> > > us astray and acting
> > > malefically.
> > >
> > > I'll give one example.
> > >
> > > Let's say, we are experiencing some kind of strong
> > > lack of self-confidence,
> > > and Sun is found to be either in the 12th house,
> > or
> > > ... say in the 7th
> > > house.
> > >
> > > I did the chart the other day of a lady and she
> > told
> > > me one of her most
> > > challenging parts of her entire life was having a
> > > very strong lack of
> > > self-confidence.
> > >
> > > When I looked at her chart, all I could find was
> > her
> > > Sun was in the 7th
> > > house.  Her Sun was ruling her 10th house, and she
> > > had a quality of being in
> > > business with partners, but...
> > >
> > > when she told me she had a strong lack of
> > > self-conficence, and feared being
> > > able to do 'it', 'life', or being a success by
> > > herself...
> > >
> > > the qualities of her malefically acting Sun became
> > > more apparent.
> > >
> > > I've seen this in many others when the Sun's in
> > the
> > > house of the 'other' or
> > > the 7th house, often, there's an accompanying
> > 'lack
> > > of self-confidence' that
> > > goes along with that...
> > >
> > > So, it was a no brainer, really to tell her, her
> > Sun
> > > was probably
> > > functioning in a malefic situation, and she might
> > > want to take some steps
> > > that would have the effect of strengthening her
> > Sun.
> > >
> > > She got excited about that, and I told her some
> > ways
> > > to do that.
> > >
> > > ciao
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Mark
> > >
> > > Thanks a lot for the quick analysis.
> > >
> > > But I have come across somewhere that saturn being
> > a
> > > lagna lord for aquarius
> > > asc doesnot affect the native negatively.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Jugal
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Jugal:
> > >
> > > This can be true, but I'll tell you a great
> > Jyotish
> > > truth.
> > >
> > > The best way to tell whether a planet is 'acting'
> > > malefically, ....is...
> > >
> > > and you know I've come across lots of people with
> > > Saturn's in their Own
> > > signs,
> > > and even Exalted, who....are still experiencing
> > the
> > > negative 'sides' to
> > > Saturn....
> > >
> > > anyway....the best way to 'tell'...
> > >
> > > is to ask yourself,....Q Am i experiencing the
> > > negative consequences of
> > > Saturn...
> > >
> > > impatience,
> > > frustration,
> > > grief,
> > > loss, losses,
> > > sufferings,,...
> > > ill-health...
> > >
> > > delays,...
> > > pain in the body,
> > > cold,
> > > dry,
> > >
> > > etc...
> > >
> > > Or am I experiencing the positives of Saturn?
> > >
> > > patience,...
> > > smoothness,...
> > > peacefulness, within....
> > > composure,
> > > doing the right thing at the right time...
> > > deeeeeeep, silence...within...
> > > no cravings,
> > > integration of silence along with activity....
> > > getting my desires fulfilled without losses....
> > > or if losses happen, you know things go up and
> > down,
> > > anyway,....
> > > then, I'm not adversely affected by those changes
> > on
> > > an outer level....
> > >
> > > I know people like this!
> > >
> > > who exhibit these wonderfully positive sides of
> > > Saturn....
> > >
> > > Also, it may be true what you read about,....
> > Saturn
> > > being the Lord of
> > > Aquarius, and the Lord
> > > of your first House, in the 5th house may have
> > some
> > > positive associations...
> > >
> > > Certainly better then the Lord of the 8th,...in
> > the
> > > 12th...for example...
> > >
> > > But, don't forget, your same Saturn is also
> > > simultaneously the Lord of the
> > > 12th,...and the
> > > Lord of the 12th in the 5th, is supposed to be
> > > functioning, more
> > > malefically,... and some of
> > > the repercussions of this will be.... delays and
> > > disappointments, set-backs,
> > > with....
> > >
> > > children,....
> > > raising them,...
> > > education,
> > > breaks in education....
> > >
> > > etc.
> > >
> > >
> > > Finally, the fact that Saturn's also
> > simultaneously
> > > aspecting your Sun....
> > > would also be indicative of 'things' going more
> > > slowly then you'd like...
> > >
> > > Also, one thing I forgot to mention, is that
> > > Saturn's aspecting also, the 11
> > > house, which is the
> > > main house of desires....
> > >
> > > In other words how we move and fulfill our desires
> > > is goverened by the 11th
> > > house,...
> > > so, the fact that Saturn's in the 5th, aspecting
> > the
> > > 11th....
> > > is like Saturn in the 11th,....and often in
> > people's
> > > charts, who have Saturn
> > > in the 5th or 11th,
> > > even 9th.... all of which can negatively affect
> > the
> > > 11th house....
> > >
> > > Just remember to ask yourself, 'am I experiencing'
> > > the positive or negative
> > > side of this planet!
> > >
> > >
> > > ciao
> > >
> > >
> > > Mark Kincaid
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: "jugal joshi" <jjugal@r...>
> > > Reply-To: "jugal joshi" <jjugal@r...>
> > > Date: 3 Mar 2005 14:31:45 -0000
> > > To: "Mark Kincaid" <m.kincaid@m...>
> > > Subject: Re: 2-jugal, re.... Jyotish/Astrology is
> > > the Ultimate
> > > Self-Improvement Technology...> Mark Kincaid 3
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Mark
> > >
> > > Thanks a lot for the quick analysis.
> > >
> > > But I have come across somewhere that saturn being
> > a
> > > lagna lord for aquarius
> > > asc doesnot affect the native negatively.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Jugal
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 Mark Kincaid wrote :
> > > >Dear Mark
> > > >
> > > >I was going thru your article, its really
> > amazing.
> > > >
> > > >I have been feeling lot of frustration for quite
> > > some time now. Not knowing
> > > >what and where I have to go. May be it is
> > beacuase
> > > I am running Rahu
> > > >Mahadasha or may be something else.
> > > >
> > > >My rising sign (at the time of birth) is aquarius
> > > and other birth details
> > > >are as under:
> > > >Date 20/08/1973
> > > >Time 20.00 Hrs
> > > >Place nagaur ( 27.30N and 74.20E)
> > > >Thanks N Regards
> > > >Jugal
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Dear Jugal:
> > > >
> > > >Glad you enjoyed it. I'm looking up your chart
> > > fairly quickly,... and I'm
> > > >comparing it to your short description, above.
> > > >
> > > >I find that people, we all, express our charts
> > > through our very words, very
> > > >spontaneously. And when I read your
> > words,...these
> > > particular one's jump
> > > >out, at me.
> > > >
> > > >#1 you said... "feeling a lot of
> > > frustration"....and "not knowing what and
> > > >where to go."
> > > >
> > > >Both these descriptions remind me of Saturn....
> > > >Saturn's the planet that holds us back,.... and
> > the
> > > flavor you said,...of
> > > >'not knowing, 'what', and where to go...are also
> > > interesting...
> > > >
> > > >Do you know about Jyotish aspects?
> > > >
> > > >Well, in your chart, your Saturn's in the 5th
> > > house, in Gemini, the 3rd
> > > >sign, ... and Sani aspects fully the 3rd house
> > away
> > > from it, and 3 houses
> > > >away, is your Leo, which is where your Sun is...
> > > >and though the Sun always loves being in Leo,
> > I've
> > > known people with Saturn
> > > >aspecting Sun's/Leo before, and quite often a lot
> > > of frustrations result...
> > > >
> > > >So, if we've identified, the right planet that's
> > > causing you your
> > > >'frustrations', then,
> > > >we might talk about some ways to strengthen,
> > > Saturn....
> > > >
> > > >My take on Jyotish is, simply put, that the
> > > malefics in our charts, are not
> > > >only symbolic
> > > >of our problems,...but ....
> > > >they're even much more profoundly,....about those
> > > very things that we should
> > > >consider differently,... and adjusting
> > > ourselves,... in the ways of those
> > > >'planets' or malefics,.... should transform
> > > ourselves, quite naturally!
> > > >
> > > >So, let's try....
> > > >
> > > >In your chart, I believe your 'frustrations' are
> > > Saturn based.
> > > >
> > > >They could be pitta or Mars based if Mars was so
> > > aspecting but I think
> > > >Saturn's the one.
> > > >
> > > >So, consider for a moment that you could
> > > strengthen, and therefore, improve
> > > >your Saturn!
> > > >
> > > >Then, the way you'll be able to tell that you're
> > > progressing, is those same
> > > >flavors of frustration, .... start to go away!
> > > >
> > > >Now, I believe it's also helpful to understand,
> > > that where we have our
> > > >malefics, is where we're experiencing
> > > 'frustrations' and challenges, but not
> > > >understanding that we're the one's who are
> > creating
> > > those in the first
> > > >place.
> > > >
> > > >For example, if you were having a problem with
> > > Mars, you might be having
> > > >accidents, and feeling frustrated because you
> > > thought you were going the
> > > >right speed, but lo, and behold, you kept finding
> > > yourself slipped, on the
> > > >ground...
> > > >
> > > >So, these malefics represent where our thought
> > > patterns are not quite
> > > >correct, or in-tune with Nature...
> > > >
> > > >In the case of Mars it's more obvious, that
> > > Nature's telling us...'We're
> > > >going too fast!"
> > > >
> > > >But, in the case of Saturn, we don't see so
> > > obviously....
> > > >
> > > >but, this is where Jyotish comes in and helps...
> > > >
> > > >The idea with Saturn is we're out of tune, with
> > the
> > > timing of things.
> > > >Impatience or feelings of frustration,
> > themselves,
> > > are common responses, of
> > > >being
> > > >out of tune, with Saturn...
> > > >
> > > >So, by directly, strengthening or growing in the
> > > wisdom of Saturn, let's see
> > > >if your
> > > >experience of frustration might subside...
> > > >
> > > >First of all, let me ask,.... how are you
> > feeling?
> > > >
> > > >Are you sleeping well?
> > > >Getting enough rest?
> > > >Well rested?
> > > >And plenty of energy, after you wake up?
> > > >
> > > >Most people are not getting enough rest,...
> > > >or going to bed early enough....
> > > >
> > > >One of the things we learn from Ayurved is the
> > > importance of regular habits,
> > > >going to
> > > >bed on time, early enough....
> > > >
> > > >Also, what will help Saturn is to put yourself on
> > a
> > > more balanced routine...
> > > >
> > > >Go to bed early, 10pm latest for a week....
> > > >Get up, when you first wake up.... wash, shower,
> > > get ready....
> > > >If still groggy, meditate, if you know how,....
> > do
> > > some yoga....
> > > >and then go about your day....
> > > >
> > > >eat at roughly the same time,
> > > >listen to your body,....
> > > >eat if you're hungry....
> > > >don't overeat or undereat...
> > > >
> > > >Ayurved says "listen to your body"
> > > >Eat as much as your fire of digestion, is
> > hankering
> > > for....
> > > >
> > > >And then, eat lighter at night, and again go to
> > bed
> > > earlier....
> > > >
> > > >Do, this for a few days.... especially the part
> > of
> > > getting more rest....
> > > >
> > > >and see if you don't start to
> > automatically....feel
> > > better!
> > > >
> > > >Frustrations can be outer oriented, but my
> > > experience is most of our
> > > >frustrations, are
> > > >inner based,...primarily....
> > > >
> > > >And once you correct the
> > > imbalances....inside....subjectively.....
> > > >
> > > >then, the outer manifestations.... go away!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >good luck....
> > > >
> > > >and let me know what happends....
> > > >
> > > >ciao
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Mark Kincaid
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: "jugal joshi" <jjugal@r...>
> > > >Reply-To: "jugal joshi" <jjugal@r...>
> > > >Date: 3 Mar 2005 06:44:10 -0000
> > > >To: m.kincaid@m...
> > > >Subject: Re: [JR] Jyotish/Astrology is the
> > Ultimate
> > > Self-Improvement
> > > >Technology...> Mark Kincaid 3/2/05
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 Mark Kincaid wrote :
> > > > >
> > > > >Astrology is the Ultimate Self-Improvement
> > > Technology!
> > > > >
> > > > >Join the Astrology Quiz!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Dear Friends:
> > > > >March 2, 2005
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >You hear a lot about self-improvement and
> > > positive thinking groups, today
> > > > >In fact, the entire 'New Age' movement is full
> > of
> > > ennumerable ways in which
> > > > >to unfold or improve human potential.
> > > > >
> > > > >One day I was reflecting upon this and it
> > occured
> > > to me that
> > > > >Jyotish/Astrology was the original, and maybe,
> > ..
> > > perhaps, the best.... even
> > > > >the Ultimate Self-Improvement
> > > > >Technology!
> > > > >
> > > > >Why?
> > > > >
> > > > >First of all because every area of life is
> > > included in our Astrology charts,
> > > > >anyway.
> > > > >
> > > > >Physical Exercise,.... it's there, in our
> > > charts...
> > > > >Balance between rest & activity,...is there, in
> > > the Saturn's in our
> > > > >charts...
> > > > >Yoga, it's there!
> > > > >Ayurveda!, ... it's there....
> > > > >Self-esteem, for better or worse, it's
> > > there,...in the Sun's in our
> > > > >charts...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Also, I think Jyotish/Astrology ... is supreme,
> > > because it's so individual,
> > > > >specific, and precise, whereas most
> > > self-improvement Philosophys, are too
> > > > >general.
> > > > >
> > > > >In the Jyotish book I'm presently writing
> > there's
> > > a section on comparing
> > > > >Astrology to other Philosophys and I compare to
> > > Philosophys, like those of
> > > > >Deepak Chopra, Dr. Johnny Gray, even Oprah, has
> > a
> > > Philosophy....
> > > > >
> > > > >All Philosophys, are contained in
> > Astrology,....
> > > but not, all Philosophys
> > > > >are as comprehensive as Astrology.
> > > > >
> > > > >Therefore, embrace your Astrology....!
> > > > >as the ultimate self-improvement technology!
> > > > >
> > > > >#1 ... Define the thing you wish was different
> > in
> > > your life!
> > > > >
> > > > >Whether it's better physical health, or mental
> > > peace of mind,... or... more
> > > > >money, more love, more attunement with
> > Nature,...
> > > etc.
> > > > >
> > > > >#2.... Then, find the Planets, Houses, and all
> > > Astrological configurations
> > > > >that are involved with that particular part of
> > > your life.
> > > > >
> > > > >#3... Once we've discovered which planets and
> > > configurations are holding us
> > > > >back, or frustrating us, .. then,....
> > > > >
> > > > >#4... Make a decision to focus on strengthening
> > > that Planet!
> > > > >
> > > > >This is the key to Jyotish/Astrological, and
> > life
> > > improvement, is to
> > > > >identify that Astrological 'trigger', which is
> > > literally responsible for
> > > > >that challenge!
> > > > >
> > > > >The problem is,.... for each person, 'that'
> > > switch is different.
> > > > >
> > > > >For example, to improve one's love life, Venus
> > is
> > > the predominate Planet
> > > > >that's responsible, for love.
> > > > >
> > > > >However, for each person, the 5th & 7th houses,
> > > are also indicative of
> > > > >success in the field of pre-marital, and
> > > committed, marriage success.
> > > > >
> > > > >Then, you have to take into account all the
> > > various aspects of one's chart,
> > > > >and you can come to a very complete picture of
> > > what's holding us back.
> > > > >
> > > > >I'll give you an example.
> > > > >
> > > > >Jason is a man whom I did his chart last year.
> > > > >
> > > > >He wanted too, to improve his relationship with
> > > his girlfriend.
> > > > >In fact, it was his girlfriend who was
> > 'dragging'
> > > him to come have his
> > > > >chart, read.
> > > > >
> > > > >So, we reviewed his chart from the point of
> > view
> > > of his experiences, and he
> > > > >got very excited that we could guess what he
> > was
> > > like and especially the
> > > > >deeper motivations that were going on,
> > underneath
> > > his experiences.
> > > > >
> > > > >He said: "I can't believe you can pin point
> > > what's really going on. I mean
> > > > >I don't even know if I understood, exactly but
> > > you've really helped me
> > > > >understand myself better!"
> > > > >
> > > > >This is the key to life,....and perhaps, one of
> > > Astrology's greatest
> > > > >attributes.
> > > > >Astrology can lead to more self-wisdom.
> > > > >And, as we know ourselves better, we begin to
> > > understand what qualities,
> > > > >what characteristics we are bringing to the
> > > 'relationship', or our job, or
> > > > >our family, etc.
> > > > >
> > > > >Then, we talked about how we could strengthen
> > the
> > > 'relationship' Planets and
> > > > >even the 5th & 7th houses, which we had just
> > > discovered were, in fact, at
> > > > >the basis of his frustrations.
> > > > >
> > > > >One of the biggest problems in life, is that we
> > > 'blame', others....
> > > > >for our situations.
> > > > >
> > > > >We blame our 'mate' for our frustrations.
> > > > >We blame our job, the company we work for.
> > > > >Heck, we even blame God, for giving us such
> > > frustrating challenges!
> > > > >
> > > > >But, Jyotish/Astrology helps us see that the
> > > World, is truely,...as WE ARE!
> > > > >And once we see, that all the qualities,
> > > situations and aspects to our life,
> > > > >are there, in our charts,...then, we begin to
> > > accept....
> > > > >that yes,... our life is really our....own.
> > > > >
> > > > >And all we really have to do,....is begin the
> > > process of self-change,...
> > > > >self-improvement....
> > > > >
> > > > >And, good Jyotish/Astrology, knows exactly how
> > > and with what Planets, or
> > > > >switches of ours, we need to turn on!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >So, take the Astrology challenge!
> > > > >
> > > > >Jyotish Quiz!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >o Identify the part of your life that you wish
> > > was different!
> > > > >
> > > > >o Health problems __________?
> > > > >o Financial problems _________?
> > > > >o Relationship problems __________?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >o Then, find the Planet(s), or Chart
> > > configurations, houses & signs,
> > > > >that are
> > > > > literally, reflective of those challenges!
> > > > >
> > > > >o Is it Saturn that's causing you your
> > problems?
> > > ________
> > > > >o Is it Mars ______?
> > > > >o Is it the Sun ______?
> > > > >o Is it the Moon ______?
> > > > >
> > > > >Let us know...
> > > > >
> > > > >It's not that 'these' Planets are causing us
> > our
> > > problems!
> > > > >
> > > > >The 'malefics' in our charts are just those
> > > aspects of life, that we didn't
> > > > >understand
> > > > >before we came to this Earth....
> > > > >
> > > > >Identifying which aspects of ourSelves, are
> > > responsible for our
> > > > >unhappinesses,...
> > > > >is the key to true growth in life.
> > > > >
> > > > >This is what's going on in our lives, even
> > before
> > > we ever heard of
> > > > >Astrology.
> > > > >
> > > > >Someone's having accidents or is extremely
> > > accident prone, and at some
> > > > >point, 'they get it'.... "Ahhhh, I'm going to
> > > fast!"
> > > > >
> > > > >Then, they begin to adjust, and even if they
> > end
> > > up having to re-organize a
> > > > >bunch of different parts of themselves, but,
> > the
> > > point is... they do adjust,
> > > > >and the Mars, energy inside of them, ... starts
> > > to change!
> > > > >
> > > > >Imagine what it would be like, if we could
> > learn
> > > to adjust more early!
> > > > >
> > > > >And, not just because we've gotten sick again,
> > > and we've finally gotten sick
> > > > >of staying up too late, eating all kinds of
> > weird
> > > food, and smoking too
> > > > >much.
> > > > >
> > > > >Imagine if we could have learned earlier, from
> > > our chart's how to change our
> > > > >eating habits!
> > > > >
> > > > >Like that, we all can enjoy an amazing
> > > improvement in the quality and
> > > > >character, of our lives through the innocent
> > > application of good Astrology.
> > > > >
> > > > >I was thinking the other day and it occured to
> > me
> > > that the key to life, is
> > > > >growth.
> > > > >
> > > > >But, Astrology has such a long habit of belief
> > in
> > > fate and pre-determinism,
> > > > >and flash! I realized, Astrology needs to
> > embrace
> > > it's own, self-improvement
> > > > >nature, and when it does, then Astrology will
> > > finally move into it's proper
> > > > >place as the Ultimate Self-Improvement
> > > Technology.
> > > > >
> > > > >We now, need to revive this bias in present day
> > > Astrology. We need to
> > > > >understand that Astrology understands about
> > > life's transformations, even as
> > > > >much as it understands about our 'fates'.
> > > > >
> > > > >They do both exist, but our present age shows
> > us
> > > that those who learn to
> > > > >grow, to adapt, to change and transform, they
> > > teach us about possibilities!
> > > > >
> > > > >Astrology, too needs to embrace it's powerful
> > > ability to accomplish.
> > > > >
> > > > >Join me in a discussion as to How to Do these
> > > things we've been talking
> > > > >about.
> > > > >
> > > > >Anyone who would like, feel free to write me
> > back
> > > and we'll go through this
> > > > >process.
> > > > >
> > > > >Tell me about the thing in your life, you wish
> > > was different!
> > > > >
> > > > >If you know your chart, tell me your date of
> > > birth info, and especially
> > > > >Rising Sign.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Then, let's explore together, how we can learn
> > to
> > > strength those Planets
> > > > >which seem to be causing you any frustrations.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Sincerely,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Mark Kincaid
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Jyotish/Astrology as the Ultimate Self-Improvement Technology

As a follow up to the last discussion we had about J/A, as the Ultimate Self-Improvement, Technology, I thought it might be interesting to go into more details.

For example, why does J/A, qualify as the best self-improvement technologies?

Perhaps, the main reason is that 'all' Philosophys, all Religions, all 'isms', all different 'ideas', can be found in one aspect of J/A, or another.

For example, those that espouse, paying more attention to oneSelf, and following one's dreams, or inner-voice, can be described as following the Philosophy of the lst House in J/A.

For those who are on a path of 'food', or trying to diet, eat better, and basically change one's ways, associated with 'eatings' of all kinds; the Philosophy and technology of the 2nd House in Astrology covers that 'angle'.

Some people are communicators, they espouse, opening up to listening to what the other person has to say, and striving to be better communicators.  The Philosophy of the 3rd House in Astrology covers all communications.

Others still, talk about life in terms of the heart, and being more in-tune with one's feelings, and even the sense of 'Mother's at home', or even Mother-God.  The obvious significations of the 4th House in Astrology covers this angle.

Then there are others who are more interested in a kind of traditional 'education' approach to life.  From grade school, through higher education, and eventually even, the higher - education of the Self, through Mantras; the Realities of the 5th House cover this approach to life.

Others are on a 'health' kick, so to speak.  Depending upon their nature or perspective, there are people who emphasize improving one's health as the panamount, most important thing to do or be in-tune with.  The 6th House in Astrology covers this angle quite nicely.  Depending upon whether one has Planets in the 6th House, or aspecting the 6th House, or influencing the 6th House Lord, one will have a strong part of one's life, focused on health!

Ever wonder why so many people are fascinated by the 'relationships' angle to life?  It's occured to me, that not only is the 7th House a very important, strategically placed House, but it's also a natural 'mirror' of the 1st House, or myself.  Therefore, all manners of Wisdoms relatiting to relationships and the phenomena of creating unity from '2' or diversity is glimpsed at through the 7th House, and it's accompanying realities.

Jyotish itself, is also a path.  It may include all other paths, but it's particulars are also specific and the precise details glimpsed by the 8th House in Astrology.

Then there are all those who are so focused on God and Religion, organized or not.  For these, the realities of the 9th House are enlivened.  

Others, still, focus their life energy through their 'work'.  Either they're work-acholics, or their definition of themselves and their evolution is 'work' related.  For such individuals or Philosophys, the 10th House is supreme, or vital.

How many of you know others who are consumed with 'money' realities and matters?  The 11th House & 12th Houses in J/A, are the obvious 'money' Houses, and people who have Planets in those Houses, or their Lords, occuping very important, and even strategic influences in one's chart, casts a material, financial perspective on life.

Finally, there are those, who come from a completely different, almost 'transcendental' perspective in life.  These are the dreamers, the poets, the authors, the visionaries, and seers.  For all these, the 12th House in Astrology, and/or the 12th Sign of Pisces, dominates and is strongly influencing their every day life's details.

You can look at any and every Philosophy or Religion, and can't help but find it's 'roots' in the tradition and history of Astrology.

Now, let's take a couple modern day Philosophys and see how they exist and find their roots and realities in the 'Realities' of Astrology.


My first thought was to compare the realities of Christianity, to Jyotish/Astrology.  After a few 'google' searches I realized that the range of different Philosophies and aspects of Christianity is emmense.  I decided then, to pick one or two simple descriptions to get a sense as to how J/A, can help us understand 'this' and any Philosophy, and ultimately give even more profound wisdom and clarity.

From one modern day Christian, we have: John Stoll, PH.D, a Christian Professor and Professional Counselor.

(See:http://www.leaderu.com/offices/stoll/maturity/chap31.html -  for source)

Copyright 1996, John H. Stoll

The Bible states that we are composed of Spirit, Soul, and Body (I Thessalonians 5:23). The Spirit is the life we have in Christ, the Soul is our will/emotions/mind, and our Body is the flesh. All three elements of ourself either positively or negatively interact with each other, constantly. To impact one element of our self, is to touch the other two. Therefore, we need to address all three elements simultaneously, in order to come to wholeness of life. Biblical psychotherapy is able to meet the needs of both the Spirit and the Soul, and medical help is able to meet the needs of the body.

From: "G.F." <gefri@...>
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 21:42:23 +0100
To: "Mark Kincaid" <m.kincaid@...>
Subject: Re: 2-gefriat: re. Welcome to our Yahoo group, > Mark Kincaid,founder, 3/4/05

Dear Sir Mark Kincaid,

my name is Gerlinde Frischeis, female  and citizen of Austria , living in Vienna
I studied first Western Astrology and since 3 years Jyotish.

I am / was subscriber on your list > Daily Transit, now it is only weekly/monthly.

and I was recently reading the great prediction for Shipal and others too from you,
and I found fascinating your naturalistic interpretion-style

my dates are > born 1.Oktober 1943, 00:50:00 midnight,
Austria, Long 16.13 east,  latt   47.58 nord   
it was Daylight time 1 hour
Time Zone 1 hour
AC 6^32 Cancer,
------------------------

thankyou very much for your welcome in your group ,
I am very happy to have the opportunity to increase my Astrology-knowledge.
( sorry for my English, in reading it is almost perfect,
but in writing it is not so easy fluently for me.

with nice greetings from Vienna
Gerlinde

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Kincaid <mailto:m.kincaid@...>  
To: CYS <mailto:changeyourstars@yahoogroups.com>  ; gefriat <mailto:gefri@...>  
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 7:50 PM
Subject: 2-gefriat: re. Welcome to our Yahoo group, > Mark Kincaid,founder, 3/4/05

gefriat
(F)     gefri@...     3/5/2005      
    I am interesting to discuss different charts, for to improve my Jyotish knowledge I am female, retired , and almost autodidact learning with books.


Dear Gefriat?:

Welcome!

You will be receiving an automatic 'Welcome' email after I finish your registration, but I also wanted to Welcome you personally and say a couple of things.


#1,...please do, go ahead and make a short Introduction about yourself....

That'll help everyone in the group to 'know each other', ...better...

Secondly.....How did you hear about our 'group'?


And finally, feel free to email anytime, into the group.  In addition to myself, there are a number of others, who have some fascinating things to say, and to contribute.... in the areas of this group.


Take care


Sincerely,




Mark Kincaid




I'm also listing the other yahoo groups I've created that you're free to check out, too.



Nature's Astrology.... A look at the 'best of both, Western & Eastern' Astrologys.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturesAstrology/

If one is interested in receiving exclusively, a reminder of the daily, weekly & monthly, 'Transits' of the Stars, then check out:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturesastrology1/

This next group, looks at Consciousness and Jyotish simultaneously.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Transcend-Meditation/

This one, looks at simultaneously, Ayurved, Jyotish & Yoga, all concurently.
There are many remedial measures, and treatments in both Ayurved and Yoga, that can be used to very practically, improve our 'Astrologys',....
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AyurvedJyotishYoga/

Also, there's a group, called:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Spirituality_Astrology/
which I formed to look specifically at the areas of Spirituality in Jyotish/Astrology.

This group is for those who might be interested in helping me do research in Jyotish.
I'm presently writing a book on Astrology, West & East, and if you're interested in participating,
please go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoeTischResearchProject/
to sign up.


And finally, for those who want to more actively, or formally, 'Study Jyotish/Astrology', you can join this group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kincaidmark/
I'm charing a small financial compensation for this group, since I'm doing more formal Jyotish, here.  Please contribute at least $ 20.00/year.


I look forward to interacting with you all, regarding my favorite 'Knowledge' in the World!


Sincerely,



Mark Kincaid



Jai Guru!

Dear Mark Kincaid,
and hello to all Members,

I want to send a short introduction of mine
my name is Gerlinde, female,
I had studied for many years Western Astrology,
and now since 3 years I am learning Jyotish,
autodidact from books .

I was working in fashion, have 2 children (boy and girl)
and I am now retired
my Ascendent is Cancer, ( Pushya Nakshatra )
Moon sign Libra ( Chitra Nakshatra )

with nice greetings to All,
Gerlinde

gefriat
(F)     gefri@...     3/5/2005      
     I am interesting to discuss different charts, for to improve my Jyotish knowledge I am female, retired , and almost autodidact learning with books.


Dear Gefriat?:

Welcome!

You will be receiving an automatic 'Welcome' email after I finish your registration, but I also wanted to Welcome you personally and say a couple of things.


#1,...please do, go ahead and make a short Introduction about yourself....

That'll help everyone in the group to 'know each other', ...better...

Secondly.....How did you hear about our 'group'?


And finally, feel free to email anytime, into the group.  In addition to myself, there are a number of others, who have some fascinating things to say, and to contribute.... in the areas of this group.


Take care


Sincerely,




Mark Kincaid




I'm also listing the other yahoo groups I've created that you're free to check out, too.



Nature's Astrology.... A look at the 'best of both, Western & Eastern' Astrologys.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturesAstrology/

If one is interested in receiving exclusively, a reminder of the daily, weekly & monthly, 'Transits' of the Stars, then check out:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturesastrology1/

This next group, looks at Consciousness and Jyotish simultaneously.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Transcend-Meditation/

This one, looks at simultaneously, Ayurved, Jyotish & Yoga, all concurently.
There are many remedial measures, and treatments in both Ayurved and Yoga, that can be used to very practically, improve our 'Astrologys',....
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AyurvedJyotishYoga/

Also, there's a group, called:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Spirituality_Astrology/
which I formed to look specifically at the areas of Spirituality in Jyotish/Astrology.

This group is for those who might be interested in helping me do research in Jyotish.
I'm presently writing a book on Astrology, West & East, and if you're interested in participating,
please go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoeTischResearchProject/
to sign up.


And finally, for those who want to more actively, or formally, 'Study Jyotish/Astrology', you can join this group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kincaidmark/
I'm charing a small financial compensation for this group, since I'm doing more formal Jyotish, here.  Please contribute at least $ 20.00/year.


I look forward to interacting with you all, regarding my favorite 'Knowledge' in the World!


Sincerely,



Mark Kincaid



Jai Guru!

The Key to Life,....
the key to Success,...
in Life...

is!!!



"Eliminating the blocks"....

One really fascinating way of thinking about how to improve, transform, or make your life more successful,.... is by eliminating the blocks...

Jyotish has this fabulous system of 'understanding' called "Benefics & Malefics"....

Another way of thinking about the 'malefics' is...that they are the 'blocks',... that are messing up our lives....

If Saturn is acting malefically,.... we experience, tiredness, stiffness, aches and pains, fear, frustrations, losses, grief, cold, inertia, etc....

If Mars is acting malefically, we experience tremendous anger, heat, fire, and often times, can't think straight, or act, certainly not be naturally creative...

If Rahu/Ketu are acting malefically...we have obsessions, intense compulsions, addictions, are lost to our desires, fame, power, want money!,...and on and on...

If Jupiter is acting malefically,... which almost seems like a contradiction in terms, we find ourselves with lack of faith, we don't get any breaks, we don't feel lucky, grace is out of the question, and as for God, forget it, he doesn't even exist.... Or, we feel tension between the inner and the outer, ... the outer dominates, and we're left frustrated by a lack of inner development...

If the Sun,...is acting malefically, we're found being ego-maniacs, or we feel inferior. Sun rules 'ego', or the 'I' and when the I is too big, feels superior over others, or inferior, feeling inadequate, and problems of self-confidence, self-esteem,...are issues,...

If the Moon,....is acting malefically, then all sorts of emotional problems are found.  We may feel inadequate, an emphasis on 'feelings', we may have sadness, be erratic on an emotional level, or we may vascilate in terms of our convictions or knowingness and swing between worry, self-doubt and being upset.  We may 'feel' depressed, anxious, and any manners of emotional troubles.

If Venus ... is acting malefically, we may experience all kinds of lack of love.  We may feel un-loved.  We may suffer because there's not enough love in our lives.  We may feel inadequate, or unworthy, in love, or to be loved.  Relationships may suffer or be unsuccessful if Venus is acting poorly.  

If Mercury... is acting malefically, we may find it difficult to think clearly, or correctly.  Thinking may be muddled, indecisive, or we may make mistakes of judgement, and decision makings.


All these Planets represent either the joy of their function, or the 'blocks' of their nature.


If even one of these Planets is found acting malefically, in our charts or lives, then unhappiness, and lack of success can be the result.

Because my 'path' in Jyotish has been on learning how to 1) Utilize the Benefics, more, and 2) Identify, and learn to change and transform, the malefics, also, into strengths,... then,

I realized...that all we need to do, is eliminate the blocks!

and all manners of positivity will naturally result!

We don't need to discover what we should be doing!
We don't need to have a great insight into our lives!
We don't need to discover some great treasure!

All we need to do, is eliminate the blocks....and life will be found, in all it's glory, ... full creativity is natural, and will immediately begin flowing.

Our Jyotish and our charts, are good helps, aids, to help us figure out which planets are malefic and 'blocking' our lives, and especially, how to unravel, the mystery, and eliminate those 'blocks' from our lives....

If we're experiencing sadness, tiredness, dullness, inertia, or sickness, ill-health, or grief, suffering, and unhappiness,.... which planet do you think is 'blocking' our way!

Of course, Saturn.  Poor Saturn, it has been blamed for the worse tragedys, in life....

The truth, however, is that Saturn is the left-hand of God, giving to us, the natural karmas, when we're out of tune, don't have enough inner development, or silence, and are not in-tune with Nature or Life.

Therefore, to eliminate any and all the blocks of Saturn.... we only need to increase the positive side of Saturn,...and all those blocks will be found,.... gone!

Think of 'the blocks',...as our darkness....  We may not know why it's there.  We certainly can't find our way, in that darkness....but!....
There is one thing we can do!

We can bring the Light!

Jyotish is the Science of Light....

Bringing the light of Saturn means, we enliven the goodness, the Wisdom, and the practical necessities of Saturn....

We rest more...

We learn to meditate!

We study the value of rest & activity....

How successful we are during the day, depends upon how well rested we are at night!

But, how often are we told to rest, to rejuvenate, and recuperate!

We do it begrudgingly.  We do it, if we have to.  We rest, rejuvenate, heal, only if we're flat on our backs and can't move!

Whoa!   Then, it's sooo late.  Malefic, Saturn is now, acting profusely.  We lie there in beds with a fever of 103, and we lament all the terrible things that have happend to us!  We feel bad, we may be even feel sad, that we can't keep going....  If we know some Astrology, we may even blame Sani for making us sick!          We have no clue what's really the matter!

The truth is we're experiencing the consequences of working too hard, of playing too hard, of not resting enough.

So, what to do?   All we need to do, is pay more attention!

If we're beginning to feel, or experience any of the negatives of Saturn.... like tiredness, pain, stiffness, sadness, frustration, inertia, etc....things taking too long...impatience....

then, take this as a red light!   Saturn's talking to us, and trying to communicate to us!

Let's resolve to listen, better.

Now, after learning all these things, when I hear my Saturn, 'warning's, I go:  "Hey!, thanks!"  And.... I stop!

I stop, take a breath, and adjust.  Maybe I slow down, maybe I take a break.  Maybe I resolve to come home from work earlier....

Whatever it is, I've learned Sani's trying to help me!

Saturn's continually trying to help us learn the positive sides of it's Nature.

All we have to do, is try this once, and getting more rest, more softness of rejuvenation,
maybe... just....

Sleep a little bit longer, take more care, be more patient,... and immediately, the problems, which seem soooo huge,... can immediately,....be resolved!

Eliminate the blocks of Saturn....

and all manners of unhappiness, grief, and on and on,.... can be eliminated....

In future emails, we can talk about the manner of the blocks of each of the other Planets....

If any of Saturn's blocks are boulders in your road, then, study the positives of Saturn,...
and see if you can't bring the Saturn light, into your experience....


Jai Guru



Sincerely,



Mark Kincaid....




ps.... Once the blocks are released, shined upon by the light of wisdom........etc...

The light of life, starts to flow more....

We don't have to do anything!

Our own nature, full potential,  Cosmic Nature, connection to almight God,... is already there!

We only have to release the blocks!

 
Dear Mark

It would be really nice on your part if  alongwith the benefic & malefic description of each planet, you tell me whether its benefic or malefic in my chart enable me identify the same with the situation.

Regds

From: "jugal joshi" <jjugal@...>
Reply-To: Jyotish_Remedies@yahoogroups.com
Date: 5 Mar 2005 12:39:37 -0000
To: Jyotish_Remedies@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [JR] 2-Jugal, re. How do I change malefics into benefics?, > Mark Kincaid 3/5

 
Dear Mark

It would be really nice on your part if  alongwith the benefic & malefic description of each planet, you tell me whether its benefic or malefic in my chart enable me identify the same with the situation.

Regds

Jugal

On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 Mark Kincaid wrote :
>
>
> From:  "jugal joshi" <jjugal@r...>
>Date:  Fri Mar 4, 2005  11:53 am
>Subject:  Re: [JR] Re: 2-jugal, re.... How can I tell if my Saturn's malefic
>or benefic?...> Mark Kincaid 3/3/
>
>
>Dear Mark
>
>I really liked the positive thinking of yours. Wish u could tell me and
>guide
>me how do I channelise the malefics into benefics.
>Like you have already pointed out saturn, are there any other malefics in my
>chart. I definitely would like to change myself.
>
>Regards
>Jugal
>
>
>Dear Jugal:
>
>There are many traditional and even some more esoteric, and even today, some
>ways which haven't been practiced for a long time.
>
>Traditionally, there are gems, yantras, mantras for each planet, certain
>behavioral suggestions, though some of them, like, 'feeding the birds', are
>a bit antequated.
>
>For me, my particular research and discoveries, seems to have centered
>around the fact, that all the Planets represent different aspects of
>ourselves...
>
>So, for the Sun, it represents our self-esteem, and experience of
>self-worth.
>For the Moon's, emotion, intuition, and inner happiness and emotional
>stability are the reflections.
>For Mars, physical coordination, pure, physical energy, firmness, are some
>of Mars's qualities.
>For Saturn, balance, health, inner peace, frustrations, delays, losses,
>grief, are some of Sani's many qualities.
>
>One of the greatest things I've discovered is, it really helps to identify
>the area, within that's weak.  Like identifying which muscle or muscle group
>is underdeveloped, then you can focus your training on thoses muscles.
>
>Like that, once you identify that which you want to improve, we can begin to
>focus more clearly on those parts of us, that are 'weak', imbalanced, or
>needing of improvement.
>
>We've talked about Saturn, and the things I said before are very helpful.
>I've learned that focusing on the Wisdoms that Saturn represents like
>patience, balance, inner restfulness, and integration, has helped me
>emmensely, strengthen Saturn...
>
>Let's talk about one other planet today.
>
>Let's say we want to strength our Moons...
>
>For many our Moons are weak, too.
>
>In today's world the positive values of the Moon are not much appreciated.
>
>#1,... I learned that the Moon represents feelings and me, having my Moon in
>the 12th house, meant I was at 'loss' to the wisdoms of the Moon.  Also, the
>fact, that my Moon was very tiny, only 1 house away from my Sun which was in
>the 11th house, also helped me see, the size of my Moon was very small.
>
>#2... Then, I started to notice by paying attention to the Moon cycle, out
>there, in the transits, I immediately started becoming more 'aware' of the
>total range of my emotions and feelings.
>
>Next, I noticed that there were 2 basic  cycles of the Moon.  There is the
>Waxing cycle and the Waning cycle.  Later, I experienced by paying closer
>attention to those two cycles, I noticed that I naturally started allowing
>the realities of those two cycles to dominate.
>
>When the Moon's Waning and getting smaller I noticed I too, felt like
>curling up, or resting.  But, when the Moon starts Waxing immediately I feel
>more outward, more dynamic with even more energy.
>
>#3... I then, started planning my every day, and common life-experiences
>more in-tune with those cycles.  If a person wanted to meet for work, and
>they picked the New Moon, for example, I'd say, "ahhh, I'm busy that day,
>but I could see you the next day, or Thursday."
>
>No one ever felt like I was dodgeing them, because of some bizarre fear of
>the Stars.
>
>Instead, I was discovering how to take advantage with the more positive,
>auspicious times/days of each month, and as a result I 'felt' better!
>
>#4.... Finally I discovered, that rest and meditation, both, helped not only
>Saturn, but my Moon as well.  When I noticed I ever, felt rough, or sad, or
>lonely, depressed, etc.  instead of trying to make sense and find the
>'reason' out there, why I was feeling that way; instead, I just knew I was
>feeling 'down' because of my Moon, and then, I started giving more to
>myself, on a feeling, emotional or Moon level, if you know what I mean,
>hehe.
>
>Those 2 things have really helped my Moon.  None of the negatives that I'd
>been experiencing most of my life, and even after 5 or so years of studying
>Jyotish, went away until I started learning how to handle changeing and
>improving each planet!
>
>
>Hope this helps..
>
>
>Sincerely,
>
>
>Mark Kincaid
>
>ps... tell me what negatives in your life, you'd like to change, and then,
>we'll talk about which planet may be responsible for that reality...
>
>and then we'll talk about which planet needs to be improved, and especially,
>how!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 Mark Kincaid wrote :
> >
> >
> >Dear Mark
> >
> >Its been really an eye opener for me.
> >
> >Now I understand why I had to leave my MBA halfway (completed only one year)
> >, have been working for a family managed company inspite of having a
> >respectable professional degree. Yes so many times I have faced delay in
> >getting the desired results.
> >
> >And top of all this Venus (8th house) and Jup (12th house) adding fuel to
> >all this.
> >
> >Well thats destiny.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> > Jugal
> >
> >
> >
> >Dear Jugal:
> >
> >Yes, it's fascinating to see the 'fate' or 'karmas', patterns that we live.
> >
> >However, it's also very important to understand that we have freely chosen
> >this life.
> >And even now, we're choosing again.
> >
> >To me, the thing that's helped the most is when I figured out how to begin
> >changeing
> >my appreciation of my different malefic planets; then, life started to
> >really improve!
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >
> >
> >Mark Kincaid
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "jugal joshi" <jjugal@r...>
> >Reply-To: "jugal joshi" <jjugal@r...>
> >Date: 3 Mar 2005 18:28:00 -0000
> >To: "Mark Kincaid" <m.kincaid@m...>
> >Subject: Re: 2-jugal, re.... How can I tell if my Saturn's malefic or
> >benefic?...> Mark Kincaid 3/3/05
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Dear Mark
> >
> >Its been really an eye opener for me.
> >
> >Now I understand why I had to leave my MBA halfway (completed only one year)
> >, have been working for a family managed company inspite of having a
> >respectable professional degree. Yes so many times I have faced delay in
> >getting the desired results.
> >
> >And top of all this Venus (8th house) and Jup (12th house) adding fuel to
> >all this.
> >
> >Well thats destiny.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Jugal
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Dear Niels?:

Welcome!

You will be receiving an automatic 'Welcome' email after I finish your registration, but I also wanted to Welcome you personally and say a couple of things.


#1,...please do, go ahead and make a short Introduction about yourself....

That'll help everyone in the group to 'know each other', ...better...

Secondly.....How did you hear about our 'group'?


And finally, feel free to email anytime, into the group.  In addition to myself, there are a number of others, who have some fascinating things to say, and to contribute.... in the areas of this group.

Take care


Sincerely,


Mark Kincaid




I'm also listing the other yahoo groups I've created that you're free to check out, too.



Nature's Astrology.... A look at the 'best of both, Western & Eastern' Astrologys.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturesAstrology/

If one is interested in receiving exclusively, a reminder of the daily, weekly & monthly, 'Transits' of the Stars, then check out:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturesastrology1/

This next group, looks at Consciousness and Jyotish simultaneously.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Transcend-Meditation/

This one, looks at simultaneously, Ayurved, Jyotish & Yoga, all concurently.
There are many remedial measures, and treatments in both Ayurved and Yoga, that can be used to very practically, improve our 'Astrologys',....
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AyurvedJyotishYoga/

Also, there's a group, called:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Spirituality_Astrology/
which I formed to look specifically at the areas of Spirituality in Jyotish/Astrology.

This group is for those who might be interested in helping me do research in Jyotish.
I'm presently writing a book on Astrology, West & East, and if you're interested in participating,
please go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoeTischResearchProject/
to sign up.


And finally, for those who want to more actively, or formally, 'Study Jyotish/Astrology', you can join this group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kincaidmark/
I'm charing a small financial compensation for this group, since I'm doing more formal Jyotish, here.  Please contribute at least $ 20.00/year.


I look forward to interacting with you all, regarding my favorite 'Knowledge' in the World!


Sincerely,



Mark Kincaid



Jai Guru!

Jyotish/Astrological.... 'Transformation'

Dear Friends:

This is an introduction for our new group called 'changeyourstars'.

This is an introduction to the very important field of life-transformation.

enjoy,

Mark Kincaid



Life is continually changeing, for better or for worse.  It can't be stopped.  We do have a choice, though as to whether we contribute with the flow of life, or not.  

When we wake up in the morning hardly ever do we say: "I'm going to make a mess of my life, today!"

It may turn out that way but that's almost 'never' our conscious goal!

Normally, Astrology is mostly thought to be a great system for predicting what our live's will be like.

This has been the habit, especially in the Eastern Astrology for many hundreds of years.

However, the real nature of existence is growth, through change and yes, even transformation so it's important that we understand that really good Astrology also has to take this important aspect into account, also.

So, if our Astrology is not just about our fates, then how and where do we have the opportunity for change and growth, even transformation?

In my experience every aspect of our live's or every aspect of our charts, is possible to improve.

Jyotish/Astrology already has in place a natural value system.  If such and such a planet is in such and such Sign, then, it's in it's Own Sign, or even Exalted.  Or, if  it's over there, then, weaker, and finally, in it's weakest Sign of debilitation.

This natural value system is not there to pre-cast or prejudice us, but, is in fact, there to help us understand the range of possibilities of each and every planet.

In addition there are signs which are 'friendly' and those that are called 'enemies' signs.  These, too, are trying to help us see the relative states of perfection of each Planet.

In my experience, Planets that are Exalted have a tremendous nature of power, grace, and wisdom.  Therefore we find ourselves 'using' these positive energies, and probably then, don't need to think of our strengths as really needing to be changed.

However, the so-called malefics in our charts, are good candidates for areas within us, that might be able to be improved.

In fact I heard a very curious Astrological expression when I was in India during a long visit in 1988.  A very well-known, Vedic Scholar said:  "Do not take your charts like they're written in stone.  They're just the state of Physiology at the time of birth."  

Over the years this one expression has become more and more important in my Jyotish and my life.

If the Planets are not just indicators of our fate, like we're some kinds of robots, but are in fact, indicative of each and every aspect of our nature; then, perhaps, we can change our selves, through changeing and improving our Stars!

Think of your Stars, your chart, as just an expression of your very nature.

We are both, structure and potential.  The areas of our lives that we're improving into are those very one's that are needing improvement.

In this new yahoo group, we're going to assume that 'change' is possible!

You may not always 'believe' or trust 'that', but in the beginning we're going to follow the assumption that it is possible.

It's the nature of every waking up, moment.

We wake up every day with a hope in our hearts and in our minds.

"I'm going to have a better day!"

The Nature of life is to grow, and growth means change, and change means 'transformation'.

Learning how to contribute more fully, in this very natural process, is to me, the real, essential goal of Life,...and of Jyotish & Astrology.

Perhaps we just get confused when we discover that Jyotish/Astrology has such a high rate of predictability.

For example, when someone can look at our charts, and predict that in May of 2005, we'll receive a nice financial windfall, well, of course, we like that, but then, we start to feel that we're beholden to that 'fate' that is coming, or not.

In other words, predictability of our futures or our nature's make us feel bound, predictable, and not free.

However, the truth is more all-encompassing then this.  There are these aspects of condition, of structure, of predictable nature, but that doesn't negate the possibility of freedom, of choice, and of growth.

The modern day science of genetics, is a good example of the natural integration that can exist between nature and opportunity.

Modern day geneticsts believe that it's possible to eventually develop a complete mapping system of the entire gene system.  However, the reason why they're doing this, is not to then, lie down and accept our fate!  No!, the reason is that they're discovered that all our problems in life, pre-dispositions to certain diseases, for example, are due to individual genes that are either defective, or un-developed.

Gene therapy then, has this goal in mind, to literally strengthen, or improve the natural function, and area of life, that each gene rules.

Think of your Astrology, your chart as your Cosmic, ancient system of genetics.
Each Planet expresses the relative strength, or sleeping nature of each and every area of our human life.

Astrology has understood, for a very long time, that life can be improved, and it can best be improved by 'utilizing' the tools of Astrology.

Okay, lenghthy introduction, but now, let's cover an overview of the exact areas of Transformation that we will be discussing in our new group.

If transformation is possible, then, we will want to discover how each and any area of our live's and Astrology can be improved.

#1.... There is an intimate, '1to1 Correspondence' between all the details of our Astrology,...and.... all the details of our human life.

The Sun's in our charts, represent our very Selves!
The Sun represents our self-confidence, our individual initiative, our ego health, or lack of self-confidence and self-esteem.

Converesely, the Moon's in our charts, represent our Emotional selves.
We 'feel' about ourselves, in direct response to how we 'are' with our Moons!
The Moon represents 'feelings', emotions, intuition, and knowingness.

The Mercury's in our Charts represent how 'well' we think.  How clearly we think, how well our intellects work and function is ruled or expressed by the Mercury's in our charts.

The Mars' in our charts represent our physical power.  Physical energy, dynamism, ability to 'do', are all the different aspects of Mars.  Aggression, firmness, resolution, power, these are some of Mars' many attributes.

Saturn represents the balance in our lives.  There's a natural coordination between all the systems in our bodies, from the brain, to the heart, lungs, nerves, everything.  Saturn rules the relationship, coordination, and integration of this very diverse and complex system.  When Saturn is strong, and healthy, then the body, and mind exhibits a profound inner strength.
However, if Saturn is weak, or underdeveloped, then health is delicate, balance is easy to be lost and life is tenuous, and fragile.
Saturn therefore, is the planet that represents that inner strength.  If weak, then, ill-health, problems, disappointments, sufferings, grief and unhappinesses, are the result.  However, if Saturn is strong, then, natural fulfillment of desire is the natural consequence.  If Saturn is strong, then, one's nature support, one's ability to do the right thing at the right time, is also strong.  If Saturn is balanced, then, life is balanced and life flows in a natural and healthy way.

This is why Saturn is called the great lesson giver.  Because Saturn is such an important planet and vital for living in our World.

Jupiter on the other hand is the Planet of Expansion.  We rest at night with our Saturn's and then, expand the next day's through our Jupiters.  In the future we'll realize that Jupiter & Saturn go hand in hand.

With each step, first we plant the one, firmly, solidly, then, we take a step forward.  Progress, and expansion, in life, depends upon how firmly we first stepped.  Jupiter is also called the Planet of the Guru, and as such is an expression of everything to do with learning, studying, teachers, as well as Gurus, spirituality, and Wisdom in life.
Jupiter then is the Planet of Religion, God, and Cosmic Purpose.

Rahu and Ketu, then, finish out the Planetary symbolisms.  Rahu and Ketu, in one way are really just the natural system of desire, mechanism that we live. For example, how we desire something, how we achieve the natural fulfillment of that desire, is ruled or aspected, influenced by Rahu and Ketu.
Therefore, Rahu and Ketu reflect how easy or natural we desire, and fulfill that desire.  If Rahu and Ketu are imbalanced or malefic, negative, then, we have desires, and can either be obsessed or compulsive in those desires.  Rahu and Ketu, therefore are often looked at for addicitons, and harmful imbalances of power, wealth, fame or accomplishments.
However when Rahu/Ketu are more balanced then, one is anchored inside, and the outer, the relative, does not overshadow and is not imbalanced.

In our group, we are going to focus on how each malefic situation in Astrology can be improved.

In our practical life, if we have a bad habit, we intrinsically understand that we're meant to change it.  It may be difficult but we 'know' we're supposed to learn how to change!

Jyotish/Astrology is really, all about that 'transformation'.

The 'malefics' or malefic situations in our charts, are not just symbolic of our problems, challenges and unhappinesses.  They're also symbolic of the very things that we were born to improve, through change and tranformation!

Learning how to do this, is the very heart of 'good' Astrology.

Step #1,.... find the malefic Planet or Planetary configuration that's responsible for, or reflective of the negative, in your life.

Anyone who would like, write a list of things that you wish were different, or improved, in your life.

These could be financial situations, health conditions, or relationship realities.
Aspects of career, family life, or spiritual concerns.
This could be wealth, health, love, God, or career.

Every aspect of life is there in our charts.

Know that any and every aspect of life, can be improved!


Whatever aspect of life, that you wish were different...

Write it down....
and then, let's find the Astrological configuration that corresponds with that 'thing'!

Step #2,....once we've discovered what Planet or Planetary configuration is 'reflective' of the thing we want to improve,...then, let's figure out how we can strengthen and improve that Planet!

This is the key to Jyotish/Astrology or life, improvement.  The Planets in us, are really like power switches, that can be improved.  Once they're improved they send an immediate wave of performance out into the body, mind and environment of greater energy, naturalness, and power.

Learning how to be more in-tune with life, through the power and technology of Jyotish/Astrology is a great blessing and a great opportunity.

I look forward to having this continual experience with you all!


Sincerely,



Mark Kincaid



Jai Guru!


founder Nature's Astrology
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturesAstrology/
m.kincaid@...
641 472-0000

Nature's Astrology.... A look at the 'best of both, Western & Eastern' Astrologys.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturesAstrology/

If one is interested in receiving exclusively, a reminder of the daily, weekly & monthly, 'Transits' of the Stars, then check out:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturesastrology1/

This next group, looks at Consciousness and Jyotish simultaneously.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Transcend-Meditation/

This one, looks at simultaneously, Ayurved, Jyotish & Yoga, all concurently.
There are many remedial measures, and treatments in both Ayurved and Yoga, that can be used to very practically, improve our 'Astrologys',....
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AyurvedJyotishYoga/

Also, there's a group, called:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Spirituality_Astrology/
which I formed to look specifically at the areas of Spirituality in Jyotish/Astrology.

This group is for those who might be interested in helping me do research in Jyotish.
I'm presently writing a book on Astrology, West & East, and if you're interested in participating,
please go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoeTischResearchProject/
to sign up.


And finally, for those who want to more actively, or formally, 'Study Jyotish/Astrology', you can join this group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kincaidmark/
I'm charing a small financial compensation for this group, since I'm doing more formal Jyotish, here.  Please contribute at least $ 20.00/year.


I look forward to interacting with you all, regarding my favorite 'Knowledge' in the World!


Sincerely,



Mark Kincaid

Jai Guru!

gkdurga     gkdurga@...     3/4/2005      
     I am interested in changing my stars..have been following your messages....

Dear Durga:

Welcome!

You will be receiving an automatic 'Welcome' email after I finish your registration, but I also wanted to Welcome you personally and say a couple of things.


#1,...please do, go ahead and make a short Introduction about yourself....

That'll help everyone in the group to 'know each other', ...better...

Secondly.....How did you hear about our 'group'?


And finally, feel free to email anytime, into the group.  In addition to myself, there are a number of others, who have some fascinating things to say, and to contribute.... in the areas of this group.

Take care


Sincerely,


Mark Kincaid




I'm also listing the other yahoo groups I've created that you're free to check out, too.



Nature's Astrology.... A look at the 'best of both, Western & Eastern' Astrologys.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturesAstrology/

If one is interested in receiving exclusively, a reminder of the daily, weekly & monthly, 'Transits' of the Stars, then check out:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturesastrology1/

This next group, looks at Consciousness and Jyotish simultaneously.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Transcend-Meditation/

This one, looks at simultaneously, Ayurved, Jyotish & Yoga, all concurently.
There are many remedial measures, and treatments in both Ayurved and Yoga, that can be used to very practically, improve our 'Astrologys',....
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AyurvedJyotishYoga/

Also, there's a group, called:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Spirituality_Astrology/
which I formed to look specifically at the areas of Spirituality in Jyotish/Astrology.

This group is for those who might be interested in helping me do research in Jyotish.
I'm presently writing a book on Astrology, West & East, and if you're interested in participating,
please go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoeTischResearchProject/
to sign up.


And finally, for those who want to more actively, or formally, 'Study Jyotish/Astrology', you can join this group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kincaidmark/
I'm charing a small financial compensation for this group, since I'm doing more formal Jyotish, here.  Please contribute at least $ 20.00/year.


I look forward to interacting with you all, regarding my favorite 'Knowledge' in the World!


Sincerely,



Mark Kincaid



Jai Guru!

Dear Mark

Its been really an eye opener for me.

Now I understand why I had to leave my MBA halfway (completed only one year) , have been working for a family managed company inspite of having a respectable professional degree. Yes so many times I have faced delay in getting the desired results.

And top of all this  Venus (8th house) and Jup (12th house) adding fuel to all this.

Well thats destiny.

Regards

From: "jugal joshi" <jjugal@...>
Reply-To: "jugal joshi" <jjugal@...>
Date: 3 Mar 2005 18:28:00 -0000
To: "Mark Kincaid" <m.kincaid@...>
Subject: Re: 2-jugal, re.... How can I tell if my Saturn's malefic or benefic?...> Mark Kincaid 3/3/05

 

Dear Mark

Its been really an eye opener for me.

Now I understand why I had to leave my MBA halfway (completed only one year) , have been working for a family managed company inspite of having a respectable professional degree. Yes so many times I have faced delay in getting the desired results.

And top of all this  Venus (8th house) and Jup (12th house) adding fuel to all this.

Well thats destiny.

Regards

Jugal