Dear Mark, Hi,

Thanks for the comments, and reminding us of the importance and
practical validity of transits once again.

Regarding your last point, about "consciousness" what do you think
about, or what is your experience re:, "the karmas indicated in the
birth chart, transforming through changes in consciousness (or
tapas/propitiation for that matter)", e.g. about the theory that one
grows out of ones chart, through spiritual evolution, karmas being

indicated softened so to say?


Dear Sabri:

I think there is an element of Jyotish, especially Consciousness Jyotish, wherever we begin,
we really can grow beyond the obvious limitations of our charts.

I think for most people their chart's are more fatalistic if they never do anything especially Vedic to change their stars.

Maharishi's Guru, Swami Brahmananda Sarasati used to say, there were a million kinds of births you could take before human births, and then after that, without meditation, thousands of life-times.  However, with meditation, we can so magnificanently, expand ourselves, that we really can grow beyond the obvious limitations of our charts.

I know many 'meditators', who report much lessening of the obvious lessening of the stresses, of their 'malefics' or charts, since meditating, and that's been my experience as well.

But, then, add on top of that, the growth and self-development of the study of Jyotish, itself, and that, especially in conjunction with meditation, is an amazing dual, Vedic remedy!


Now, I believe that the malefics in our charts represent, really the stresses or blocks in our enlightenment.

And, as we go to the transcendental realm, and or, even, learn how to get more in-tune with those, so-called malefics, we can think in terms of eliminating all stresses!, or malefics.

In enlightenment, the deepest blocks to our infinite potential will be gone, but still, certain aspects of astrological personality and mental characteristics will still be there.

But, from the inside, we'll feel no restriction or limitations.

Nice talking with you.


Sincerely,


Mark Kincaid

From: "Sabri" <korua@...>
Reply-To: vedic-astrology@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 21:57:48 -0000
To: vedic-astrology@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vedic-astrology] Re: 2-Sabir & all:   re..... Who were Maharishis?->>>  Mark Kincaid 7/3

Dear Mark, Hi,

Thanks for the comments, and reminding us of the importance and
practical validity of transits once again.

Regarding your last point, about "consciousness" what do you think
about, or what is your experience re:, "the karmas indicated in the
birth chart, transforming through changes in consciousness (or
tapas/propitiation for that matter)", e.g. about the theory that one
grows out of ones chart, through spiritual evolution, karmas being
indicated softened so to say?

Best wishes,

Sabri.


--- In vedic-astrology@yahoogroups.com, Mark Kincaid
<m.kincaid@m...> wrote:
> Dear Sabir:
>
> I very much enjoyed your email re. the Maharishi-Seers!
>
> I'd like to add a few thoughts.
>
> Even if the Ved, and books like Maharishi Parashara's book on Hora
> Astrology, are cognitions,
> still,
>
> if their realities are eternal, and of the very laws of nature,...
>
> then, their truths, and significances, will be there for us, in
the present!
>
> In other words, if something is true, then it will show it's
validity, in
> the every day reality of people today, and tomorrow and the next!
>
> This has been my experience of Jyotish.
>
> All the principles and ideas that I have read about, ultimately I
found
> alive and functioning, real!
> so very real, in the live's of every one that I meet.
>
> That experience has convinced me of Jyotish's power and insight,
into
> life....
>
> Now, after doing literally thousands of charts, over these last 18
years, I
> can say, with amazing conviction, that the principles of Jyotish
work!  I
> have not found one chart, in all these years, that hasn't
really, 'fit' the
> person, and been testaments of all the rules and principles of
Jyotish.
>
> Also, the transits, of every day, life, out there, in the World's
> environment, follows the laws and principles of Jyotish.
>
> Take the Moon & Saturn for example.  Jyotish has these rules about
> conjunction and aspects.
> When you watch the Moon & Saturn collide, or aspect, which happens
every
> month, you can really, 'feel' that!
>
> Take the Moon/conjunct with Saturn.  This month, take July 7 &
8th, the Moon
> goes into Cancer,
> where SAturn is too.  On those days you can 'feel' that definite
Saturn
> affect upon the Moon, or heart and mind.
>
> It's unmistakable.   Then, over the next few days, the Moon slides
into Leo,
> where Saturn is supposed to 'not' influence the Moon so directly.
>
> And, that too can be your experience.
>
> Then, over the next few days, as the Moon goes into Virgo, it's
supposed to
> be influenced again! by Saturn do to it's supposed, 3rd house
aspect.
>
> But, you can experience that for yourself, objectively, and
dispassionately!
>
> These kinds of experience, verify and validate all the rules and
principles
> of Jyotish, and make this wisdom truely scienific and modern!
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Mark Kincaid
>
>
> ps... oh, yes one more point.  I find the present, period, where
some
> 'Mahaishis' in fact, are encouraging all of us to become our own,
best
> Rishi!, and doing that, also will give an amazing power of
consciounsess,
> within, so as to better understand our Jyotish.
>
> Without the development of consciousness, Jyotish will continue to
be very
> vast, and almost,
> overwhelming...
> but,....
> with consciouness, Jyotish becomes simple, though profound, and
ultiamtely
> easy, natural, and understandable!
>
> Jai Guru!
>
>
>
>
> Astrologer
> Teacher of Meditation & Ayurved
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturesAstrology/
> 1 641  472-0000.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: "Sabri" <korua@e...>
> Reply-To: vedic-astrology@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 13:27:30 -0000
> To: vedic-astrology@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [vedic-astrology] Who were Maharishis?-Student or Guru?
(Re: Is
> Rafal Genderaz a Student or Guru?)
>
>
> Dear Narasimha-Ji, (Dear Friends),
>
> Thanking so much for the precious notes,
>
> - Even Spiritual Gurus have their destiny, and evolve during their
> lifetime, and are known to experiment, change their advises and
> teaching sometimes in a dramatic way.
> - In the field of knowledge, traditions are if not an
> absolute "must" are very very helpful. "The tradition cuts short
the
> long path of evolution".
> - The very nature of Knowledge is such that, it rises and falls in
> time to be revised and brought to light again. Knowledge like waves
> of an ocean come and shatter on the rocks of ignorance and is lost,
> only to be revived again at some later period of time when a
> knowledgable and able person is available for this revival. This is
> the very nature of knowledge.
> - For knowledge to flow from the heart of the Guru to the disciple,
> the disciple "must" approach the Guru, and warm his heart by giving
> due respect to the knowledge that the Guru has in posession, at
> which time only, the teaching starts and the Guru hands over the
> knowledge with great enthusiasm.
> - Knowledge is akin to light, since it dispells ignorance and
> darkness, sometimes for some, knowledge is bewildering, hence the
> doubts and reactions about knowledge itself and those who posess
it,
> on the part of those who are not *karmically* destined to take over
> that knowledge.
> - A subject as Jyotish is so complex and intricate and proper
> knowledge and mastering of it has so many prerequisites, not the
> least of which is that one should be evolved enough in the
direction
> of this specific knowledge.
> - The wise student, in my humble view, that I have learned from
> learned people, should always show respect first, should not judge,
> and be open to any new knowledge that may come from any direction
or
> source.
> - The Maharishis as Maharishi Parashara, were themselves coming
from
> a tradition and were "MAHA" Rishis, meaning, they were the
> clairvoyant seers, who would see in their minds eye, and express
> that which they have seen, for the benefit of others.
> - The book written by Maharishi Parashara is not a text or teaching
> book in the sense that we understand today! It is the written
record
> of what has been perceived by the enlightened mind of a Rishi,
about
> the laws of nature or intricate workings of the Universe
> specifically Jyotish. It is not that Maharishi Paraashara has sat
> down at one time, and had the intention; "O.K. now let me write a
> book to teach Jyotish to others", the book is of a different
nature,
> a written record of nature, which probably had originally been
> passed on through oral tradition. I therefore do not agree with the
> thought that the books of the Maharishis apply to ancient times and
> not appliacble today, since the laws of nature then and now are the
> same.
> - The schlokas themselves when read, or memorized have the quality
> of opening channels in the human brain towards attaining Jyotish
> Siddhi.
> - Most of us here, lacking this Siddhi, are trying to understand
the
> subject through intellectual processes, but most probably Sage
> Parashara would not think in terms of Guru is in this house, and is
> yuddhi Shukra etc. He would just see the reality. What is written
in
> his book is what he has seen about the laws of Jyotish, not about
> what he observed and experimented and thought was correct.
> - I personally have learnt, compared to my limited knowledge and
> experience, huge amounts of knowledge from the SJC Gurus,
> specifically through Sanjay and Narasimha-Ji, and therefore am
> thankful to them. I have learned also other material from other
> sources, for them also I am thankful.
>
> Best wishes, Sabri.
>
>
> --- In vedic-astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
> <pvr@c...> wrote:
> > Dear friend,
> >  
> > I understand your motivation in asking this and I don't mean
> disrespect or insensitivity to anyone.
> >  
> > But I just want to say a word about the more generic question of
> accepting the words of "Proper Gurus" of SJC as a gospel (I am not
> saying that you are suggesting that).
> >  
> > I am one of the designated Jyotish Gurus of SJC and one of the
> earlier ones. I know for a fact that my knowledge has evolved a
long
> way from where it was when Sanjay ji decided a few years back that
I
> was fit to be a guru. Even today, I am not fully satisfied with my
> knowledge and constantly keep learning things and refining my
> understanding. I will never make a representation to anyone that I
> have perfect or nearly perfect knowledge. Still I will share my
> knowledge with others because even my half-baked knowledge may be a
> valuable treasure to somebody.
> >  
> > Even Pt Sanjay Rath, the Parama Guru of SJC, does not have
perfect
> knowledge. I say this with all the respect and humility that I can
> possess. He himself said so. There were errors in his teachings and
> there may be more that we will find in future. I always maintained
> respect and, at the same time, the spirit of honest intellectual
> enquiry. And, there were occasions when my intellectual
independence
> proved worthwhile. For example, Sanjay and I disagreed on Moola
dasa
> definition and he later agreed with me. Sanjay taught Drigdasa one
> way and I had it in JHora that way for a long time. I taught it the
> same way in my book also. But, sometime back, I discovered that his
> version was influenced more by Narayana dasa and he had some
> discrepancies compared to Parasara's unambiguous verses on
Drigdasa.
> When I pointed it out, Sanjay ji looked at the verses and some
> examples and felt that Parasara was correct and his previous
> understanding was wrong.
> >  
> > Thus, I do not take even Sanjay ji's words for granted and
> investigate them myself to find the Truth! When Sanjay ji himself
is
> fallible, how infallible can other Gurus be?
> >  
> > The duty of a sincere student is to have respect for the teacher
> and study the teachings with the spirit of honest intellectual
> enquiry and confront the teacher when one has to disagree. A lot of
> people confuse between the ideal behavior ascribed to a sishya of a
> diksha guru (spiritual master) and to a sishya of a siksha guru.
> >  
> > Bottomline: It is good to see that some people have confidence in
> SJC and SJC gurus. That is nice and I hope that SJC gurus will help
> you in advancing your knowledge. But, at the same time, it should
be
> borne in mind that we are dealing with a very rich and complicated
> subject that has been corrupted for a long time and trying to stage
> a renaissance. Nobody has a perfect understanding of the teachings
> of maharshis and we are constantly trying to improve. SJC and SJC
> Gurus will definitely make great contributions in the coming years,
> but we will invariably go thru phases of correction and evolution.
> Basically, we should realize that we all groping in the dark for
the
> same Light.
> >  
> > No offense meant to anyone and hope none is taken!
> >  
> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,
> > Narasimha
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org
> > SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> >  
> > >   Dear Rafal,
> > >
> > >         Thanks for all your help on this forum. I was just
> wondering   
> > > are you a Student of Astrology or a Proper Guru from the
> Jaganath
> > > Center? You are helping many members that is why. It is nice to
> know
> > > someone is there to help out. Take Care and Best of Luck!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Nava
>
>
>
>
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