--- In Certified-Personal-
Trainer@yahoogroups.com, "mlee_personaltrainer"
<mlee_personaltrainer@...> wrote:
>

You are most welcome. i hope this helped you. i am dealing with alot
of gymnasts again ,in additon to my Personal Training, and Yoga
instruction. my observations still remain the same as my reply to
your query. Just so you know, it's Bryn, B R Y N, not Bryan, and I'm
female. But that's cool, it happens all the time, it is an old
Celtic name, mainly Welsh/and or- Irish, not very common in the USA,
which is where I am. What ever happened with your Client? Did the
feedback help you/ your Client out? Be Well!
All the Best,
Bryn

> Thanks Bryan.
>
> M
>
> --- In Certified-Personal-Trainer@yahoogroups.com, Bryn Roebuck
> <brynroebuck@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello, I have delt with double jointed athletes in the course of
> my career as a Competitive Gymnastics Coach, but not during the
> course of Personal Training. One of my young pre- elite gymnasts
> from many years ago, ( whom I still know well), had an
> extraordinarily hyper- flexible lumbar spine.Astetically and from
a
> judges point of view, this presented a number of difficulties.
> Gymnasts are required to be extremely flexible. However, in this
> case- during the execution of a back handspring for example, the
> arch in the lower back was toooo pronounced producing the
apperance
> of the back of the head touching the buttocks. This gymnast was
> blessed with incredible talent, but could never seem to overcome
> this problem dispite supplemental strength training targeting the
> entire back including the lumbar spine, with strict attention to
> R.O.M. As she aged, she experienced ever increasing pain issues
with
> her lower back. Monitoring STRICT R.O.M. is the order of the day,
> whether the person seems
> > to experience any pain/ discomfort at the time, ( which she did
> not...) or not. Bowing out joints beyond an extreme degree that
even
> a flexiblity specilized athelete would display leads to damage
> eventually in my observation. I would not worry about your client
> losing her flexability, that's prob. nearly impossible. Keeping
the
> weight light is a good notion. Also, utilizing visualization by
> using repeatitive verbal cues can help as well, such as, "
> straighten your arms more," holding the elbow joint to provide
> support and decrease the bend till your client developes a
> familiarity with this arm posture can also be helpful, use " E,"
all
> of the above. Also, sticking with cable machines more, rather than
> free- weight increases the element of control, and lessens errors
> with posture and R.O.M. Also, you may elect to drop the weight for
> trhe joint(s) in question even lower yet... Saftey First. Hope
this
> info is a help to you! Good luck.
> > Bryn
> >
> > mlee_personaltrainer <mlee_personaltrainer@y...> wrote:
> > Does anyone have experience training double jointed clients? I
> have
> > had several slightly DJ'ed (hypermobile) people and I've been
able
> to
> > modify the exercises so that they remain balanced on both sides
> (When
> > there is an inch or less difference in ROM).
> >
> > I now have a client who is almost completely DJ'ed. Her left
side
> esp
> > is more flexible-- in addition to which she is very tall and
> willowy.
> > When doing Lateral Shoulder Raises for ex. her elbow will bend
> > backards so that at the top of the movement her upper arm is
> parrallel
> > to the floor/ceiling while the lower arm is bent 15+ degrees
> toward
> > the floor.
> > she experiences no pain and has never had a dislocated joint.
She
> > never locks out a joint, and we keep her weights relatively low.
> >
> > My intial thoughts after a bit of research is that I should let
> her
> > work the movements out almost to her full ROM ( enough so that
> both
> > sides are equal) as long as the weight is still being moved by
the
> > targeted muscle joint combo-- However I wonder how much this
will
> > cause her to lose flexibily because of shortened muscles on one
> side.
> >
> >
> > Our approach so far has been that there is no "deficiency" to be
> > corrected. She's healthy, fit and enjoys her workouts. WE just
try
> to
> > keep her in a safe and equidistant ROM.
> >
> > What would you guys do?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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