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#7683 From: aim highpeak <aimhighpeak@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:53 pm
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Dear Colleague,

 

Welcome to the November ebulletin from Sainsbury Centre for Mental Health (http://www.scmh.org.uk).  Oops, I appear to have forgotten to send you an October ebulletin. Hope nobody minds. Everything since the last ebulletin is included here anyway.

 

In this ebulletin:

ABOUT US

 

EMPLOYMENT

 

CRIMINAL JUSTICE

 

ACROSS MENTAL HEALTH


Plus EVENTS

 

Please add this address to your contacts or safe senders list so the ebulletin won't get stopped by your spam filter or IT department.

 

 

ABOUT US

 

New Joint Chief Executives begin work at Sainsbury Centre for Mental Health

 

Sean Duggan and Bob Grove are our new joint chief executives following the retirement of Angela Greatley. Andy Bell is the deputy chief executive.

 

As joint chief executives, they will lead our endeavours to sustain the work into the future, beyond the time of annual core funding from the Gatsby Charitable Foundation.

sean dugganbob grove

Sean Duggan and Bob Grove - our new joint chief executives

 

 

EMPLOYMENT

Sainsbury Centre launches Centres of Excellence in employment

 

The nine new Centres of Excellence in supporting people who use mental health services into employment will act as exemplars of how Individual Placement and Support (IPS) can be implemented in localities across England.

 

Services in Central and North West London, Essex, Shropshire, Somerset and South West London have committed to being full partners in the programme. Alongside these trailblazing sites, another four 'emerging centres' have been invited into the programme from Sussex, Leeds, Devon and Nottingham.

 

In each site, the local mental health trust will work with partners in employment services, local authorities and other agencies to offer people effective support to get into paid work. The learning from these sites will be shared with other areas of England.

 

 

NHS should take a lead in implementing NICE guidance on mental wellbeing at work, says Sainsbury Centre

 

The NHS should be leading by example in the way it manages mental ill health at work. Today's guidance on Promoting mental wellbeing through productive and healthy working conditions once again shows what needs to be done.

The new guidance should be taken up as a priority by the NHS, Sainsbury Centre for Mental Health joint chief executive Dr Bob Grove said today. He continued: "The evidence is clear. Mental distress happens in every workplace in the country. One in six of us will experience a mental health problem each year. The cost to employers is at least 1,000 pounds a year for every person they employ. For the NHS, that adds up to a staggering 1.3 billion pounds, or a quarter of the entire NHS mental health care budget."

 

 

CRIMINAL JUSTICE

All-Stages Diversion: an interactive model

 

All-stages diversion model section


Using evidence and learning from our work on diversion we have produced the All-Stages Diversion model. It shows the criminal justice pathway and highlights who should be involved, how diversion is achieved and what the outcomes are for each step on the pathway.

 

We have developed an interactive model which looks at how adults can be diverted at any stage in the system.

 

 

 ACROSS MENTAL HEALTH

 

Watch Gene Johnson's lecture on recovery

 

Watch videos and get the transcript of the lecture by Gene Johnson about the US perspective of recovery. The slides that accompanied his lecture are there too. The lecture was held in September and complements the work we're doing on recovery.

 

Sainsbury Centre welcomes report on recession and mental health

 

The current recession should lead to more, not less, investment in effective support for people with mental health problems to gain and retain paid employment, Sainsbury Centre joint chief executive Dr Bob Grove said today.

 

Welcoming a report from the Royal College of Psychiatrists, the Mental Health Network of the NHS Confederation and the LSE, Bob Grove said: "Today's report calls on public services to offer better support for people with mental health problems in tougher economic times. We strongly support that call. The expected spending squeeze in public services should not stand in the way of doing what works. If anything, it should focus minds on investing in interventions that make people's lives better at less cost."

 

 

EVENTS

 

Psychological Therapies in the NHS


Thursday 26th and Friday 27th November 2009, Savoy Place, London

The third annual conference examining the challenges and opportunities of evidence based practice for the Psychotherapy professions. This two day event brings together leading clinicians, policy makers, academics and service users from across the UK, Europe and the US, to consider and debate the future of Psychological Therapies within the NHS.

Bob Grove, Director of our Employment Programme is speaking at this event.

For more information, please call Hanisha on 020 8541 1399, email hanisha@... or visit http://www.healthcare-events.co.uk or download the brochure.


Workshop and conference on long-term intervention for sex offenders

9 February 2010 / 10 February 2010

The Charlie Waller Institute of Evidence-Based Psychological Treatment is running a workshop and a conference on a new, long-term intervention for sex offenders. Professor Mark Olver from the University of Saskatchewan, Canada, will be leading the workshop.
The workshop will teach delegates to implement an evidence-based, high intensity inpatient sex offender treatment programme designed for moderate to high-risk sex offenders. The conference will provide a research and clinical update on the understanding and treatment of offenders.
Sean Duggan, Director of our Criminal Justice Programme, will be speaking at the conference.

For further information please contact cwi@..., telephone 0118 378 6668 or book via their website at www.reading.ac.uk/charliewaller.

 

  

The next e-bulletin will be in December.

 

Best wishes,

 

Katherine Hall

 

 

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#7682 From: "Pam Pinder" <pamshouse@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:32 pm
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Cutting mental health services through “shortcut commissioning” will have a disastrous effect on people’s health as well as the economy, academics have warned.

Mental health services are particularly vulnerable to cuts, according to a joint report by the London School of Economics, Mental Health Network and Royal College of Psychiatrists.

http://www.hsj.co.uk/5008367.article


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#7681 From: "Pam Pinder" <pamshouse@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:03 pm
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This was posted on the psych nursing site. I thought some of you might be interested.
 

De-medicalising Misery


Friday, 15th January 2010

UEL Conference Centre, Stratford Campus, Water Lane, London E15

 

THE UNIVERSITY OF EAST LONDON’S SCHOOL OF PSYCHOLOGY, the Critical Psychiatry Network and the Hearing Voices Network (England) are delighted to present the third one-day conference in the De-Medicalising Misery series.

The UK’s leading conference focusing on critique and reformulation of the understandings of distress and disablement offered by mainstream psychiatry and psychology will again provide a platform for alternative ways of thinking about, and working with, distress.

Again bringing together psychiatrists, service users and clinical psychologists at the forefront of thought and practice, this year the conference broadens its address to important questions of contemporary public interest.

Speakers will ask: How has psychiatric discourse about children’s emotions and behaviour contributed to a dramatic change in our views about childhood and child rearing? Why is disability understood as a problem that resides in the individual? Why is the disabled individual such a problem for society? How have social and human sciences contributed to our everyday understanding of what it means to be an individual with or without a disability? How can we work more collaboratively and imaginatively with marginalised groups in our society and empower people to take control over psychiatric medication and therapy? How can we challenge the medicalisation of other cultures’ responses to trauma and displacement?

Once more combining academic integrity with accessibility and – now with an extended programme to allow much more opportunity for dialogue and debate – the conference will be of interest to practitioners and academics in psychiatry, psychology, disability studies, nursing and related disciplines, as well as to people who use or have used mental health services.

CONFIRMED SPEAKERS:

Dan Goodley, Sami Timimi, Guy Holmes, Derek Summerfield, John Clements.

PLACES:

Limited. For further information please contact Sue Meade on 0208223 4428 or email: s.a.meade@...

COSTS:

Unwaged £30

Full Time Students £50

BPS Members £110

Waged £150

UEL Clinical Psychology Graduates £75

www.uel.ac.uk/misery

Jill Anderson
Senior Project Development Officer
Mental Health in Higher Education
Dept of Applied Social Science
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Lancaster University
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#7680 From: "aimhighpeak" <aimhighpeak@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:49 pm
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Yes Pam, Yahoo goes through so many changes it confuses itself !

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--- In Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com, "ifyoudonttryyourguranteedtofail"
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out when I send this message!
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Just testing everything is working ok here. One of our members have received a
message saying the group had exceeded its download limit. I guess I will find
out when I send this message!

Pam

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Nice photos but not very representative of most peoples experience of not getting any help or money for caring.

2009/11/16 aim highpeak <aimhighpeak@...>


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The BSA are funding a limited number of free places to attend the BSA & C-SAP Early Careers Event on 11th – 12th December 2009. For further information please visit http://www.c-sap.bham.ac.uk/events/new_event.htm?id=220 or contact Frances Worrall [f.l.worrall@...].

 

Early Career and Refreshers Event for sociology teaching staff

Organised by C-SAP and the BSA

Venue: Manchester Business School, University of Manchester

Date of event: 11 - 12 December 2009

 

This two day residential and continuing professional development event provides an opportunity for newly-appointed and existing teaching staff in sociology to share and evaluate a range of approaches, methods and resources for learning and teaching in the disciplines.

 

The 2-day event will begin at 10.30 on Friday 11th December and end at 4.30 on Saturday 12th December. The programme will be flexible to take account of the varied interests and experiences of those attending, covering issues including:
- Building academic networks;
- Small group teaching;
- What is 'good teaching'?
- Preparing for the PhD viva
- curriculum design and assessment
- Research teaching link

Attendance at this event may be useful if you are undertaking a PG Cert HE qualification or are looking to expand and develop your teaching skills. This is also an opportunity to meet and network with other sociology and social policy staff.

Participants should bring examples of their module or course outline and assessment strategies to use in the discussion sessions.

Costs: £80 for attendance 11 & 12 December including accommodation and dinner.

 

Further information available from: http://www.c-sap.bham.ac.uk/events/new_event.htm?id=220

 



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#7675 From: "Pam Pinder" <pamshouse@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:37 pm
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How I tamed the voices in my head

When Eleanor Longden began hearing things, she soon found herself drugged, sectioned and labelled schizophrenic. Then a psychiatrist taught her how to talk back

By Kate Hilpern

Published: 06 March 2007

Eleanor Longden, 25, started hearing voices when she was a teenager. But, contrary to the usual perception of inner voices, Longden says hers weren't destructive: "It was rather mundane, simply giving me a narration of some of the day-to-day things I was doing. In many ways, the voice was companionate because it was reminding me that I was carrying on with my responsibilities despite feeling so sad inside. There was something constructive about it."

People like Longden who admit to hearing inner voices can generally expect two outcomes: a diagnosis of insanity, and potent medication. But a group of psychiatrists and psychologists believe it's time we reconsidered labels such as schizophrenia and the drugs used as treatment. In fact, they believe we should get people to listen to, and actually engage with, the voices inside their heads.

Longden believes her biggest mistake was in telling a friend she was at university with about her experiences. "I explained that the voices were actually quite positive, but she was horrified and insisted I see a psychiatrist, who ignored my unhappiness and homed in on the voice, assuming it meant I had no sense of normality. For example, I was quite involved with the university television station, and the psychiatrist stated in her notes that I had delusions of being a broadcaster. The second time I saw her, she suggested that I admit myself to hospital for three days for tests."

Three days turned into three months, during which time Longden was told that if she left, she'd be sectioned and forced back. The drugs she was coerced into taking did little except cause weight gain, and the terrifying label of schizophrenia she was given was, Longden believes, directly responsible for the arrival of 12 very hostile inner voices. Like most multiple-voice hearers, Longden says one voice was dominant. "He was demonic, and had a visual manifestation of a huge grotesque figure swathed in black. His threats were graphic and violent. The other voices, which were less clear, would back him up." As if this wasn't enough, back at university Longden found herself the victim of a bullying campaign. "People had heard about where I'd been and within a week, my door in the halls of residence had been defaced, and I was spat at. I started to self-harm. The worst instance was in the student bar when a group of people asked me to stub a cigarette out on my forearm. When I did it, they cheered."

Longden became suicidal and was sectioned. After seven weeks back in hospital, she went to stay with her parents in Bradford, where she continued to self-harm and her voices were louder than ever. Her psychiatrist told her it would almost have been better if she'd had cancer because it would be easier to cure. Finally, the breakthrough came. "Everyone had treated me with this total lack of hope, and as completely passive. But then I was put in touch with a psychiatrist who asked me what I thought would help me. When I said I felt I could deal with the voices better when my mind was clear, he supported me to reduce the medication. Better still, he suggested that I engage with the voices because they probably had a symbolic meaning that might help me recover."

Longden began to recognise her voices as a representation of unconscious feelings of self-loathing. This helped her to fear them less. "If they were metaphorical, it stood to reason they couldn't have any control in the external world," she says.

The psychiatrist encouraged her to talk back to them. "I began to question them, and their replies gave me great insight into my subconscious feelings - enormously helpful in my therapy - and then I started negotiating with them. Sometimes I'd say to the dominant one, 'I'll only talk to you after EastEnders,' and he'd agree!" Three years on, Longden is off medication. She says she's happy, and is studying for a doctorate in clinical psychology. Although her voices sometimes return, she feels in complete control of them. "I see them as useful - almost like a stress barometer. My mum's clue to feeling stressed is a migraine; mine is the voices."

Dr Rufus May, a clinical psychologist, says the aim of getting people to connect with their voices is to enable them to incorporate them into their daily lives so they are not distressing. "Voices themselves are not a problem; it's people's relationship with them that's important. So, rather than voices being something that we should avoid at all costs - the traditional psychiatric view - we should be trying to get people to face them, understand them and work with them." May says negative voices can be turned into a positive experience. "If a voice is telling someone to kill themselves, that could be signifying rage. So the voice-hearer could say, 'Thanks for flagging this up. I'm not going to take you literally, but you've shown me there are things I need to change about me.'"

He even talks to his patients' voices himself. "I ask the person to tell me verbatim what each voice is saying. I'll ask questions such as, 'How long have you been in Mary's life?" and 'Why did you come along?' Sometimes, they'll tell me something about the person they themselves are unaware of. After all, we're dealing with the subconscious here." May recalls one man, Edward, whose voice told him to build a time machine. "I asked this voice - via Edward - why. It transpired that Edward felt responsible for his brother's death and wanted to go back and change it. We were able to address that and Edward began to realise he wasn't responsible."

Such responses may even be life-saving opportunities. May cites the case of John Barrett who, having walked out of a secure hospital unit, stabbed a retired banker in 2004 after hearing voices in his head. "It seems to me that people didn't work meaningfully with his voices. He'd had a violent childhood, so his voice could have represented his father." May is now involved in training mental health professionals in helping people who hear voices. "Conventional training goes deep, but it helps that I have a high profile," he says. In fact, he doesn't advocate that all voice-hearers take this route. "But if you catch people early, or other approaches haven't worked, it can work very well."

Some professionals - such as Richard Bentall, professor of experimental clinical psychology at Manchester University - go further, stating that medications should be avoided wherever possible. "They have high costs in terms of side-effects, some life-threatening. Antipsychotic drugs, in particular, can produce stiffness, tremors, involuntary movements, massive weight gain and increased risk of heart attacks and diabetes," he says. What's more, research estimates that about half of patients given drugs don't get an adequate therapeutic response. "Add to this the fact that they are given a label like schizophrenia - which has no scientific meaning, and is deeply stigmatising - and it's little wonder that voice-hearers are given such little hope. The bottom line is that we need to stop trying to cure people, and liberate them instead."

Professor Marius Romme, a psychiatrist, adds that many inner voices can be unthreatening and even positive. "They may try to comfort, congratulate, guide or reassure. It's wrong to turn this into a shameful problem that people either feel they have to deny or to take medication to suppress." Romme's work was instrumental in the formation of the Hearing Voices Network, an education and self-help registered charity for voice-hearers. Jacqui Dillon, who chairs the network, says:"We call inner voices - or indeed visions - messengers, because they give strong signals into people's mindsets."

The network has a growing professional following, Dillon says. "We get a lot of referrals from psychiatrists nowadays, although there's still a long way to go."

Talking heads

* Studies have found that between four and 10 per cent of Britons hear voices.

* Between 70 and 90 cent of people who hear voices do so following traumatic events.

* Voices can be male, female, without gender, child, adult, human or non-human.

* People may hear one voice or many. Some people report hearing hundreds, although in almost all reported cases, one dominates above the others.

* Voices can be experienced in the head, in the ears, outside the head, in some other part of the body, or in the environment.

* Voices often reflect important aspects of the hearer's emotional state - emotions that are often unexpressed by the hearer.

* The "hearing voices movement" has spread across the world. There are groups in countries as far afield as Australia, Finland, Japan and Palestine.

* Well-known voice hearers include Plato, Sigmund Freud, Beethoven, Byron, Charles Dickens, Virginia Woolf, Sylvia Plath, Isaac Newton and Winston Churchill.

 


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Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:40 pm
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The woman who ignores her voices

By Alexander Linklater

Alexander Linklater
Saturday September 8, 2007

Guardian

When she conducts training sessions with police or ambulance officers, Janey Antoniou makes them listen to a soundtrack of babbling, jeering voices while she asks questions such as, "What's your postcode?" Most muddle their replies, and even experienced professionals sometimes tear off their earphones, visibly disturbed. Then she'll ask, "How long do you think you could hear all that and live a normal life?"

The point of the exercise is to help officers handle schizophrenics intelligently; and the experience Janey replicates is her own. She hears voices all the time, sometimes whispering, sometimes yelling. They are not merely an exaggeration of the interior mental chatter most of us live with: "The voices I hear come through my ears," she says, "they're not like thoughts."

Since her early 20s, she has lived with six or seven distinct characters; even now, as a 50-year-old scientist and mental health consultant, she can't bear to describe them precisely (though she does liken one to the tortured figure of Caliban in Peter Greenaway's film Prospero's Books). "They're so horrible," she says. "If I start describing them, I start listening. And then you'll lose me."

Janey had her first brush with mental illness aged seven, when she became overwhelmed by a despair she recalls clearly as being the same as a clinical, adult depression. It returned in her mid-teens, when she was a bell-ringer for her local church in Reading, and she tried to hang herself from one of the ropes while the choir sang, "Take my life and let it be consecrated, Lord, to Thee..." She was stopped when the tower captain stumbled on her by chance; the incident was hushed up.

Her parents scarcely noticed what was happening. Her father was consumed by his work as a particle physicist at Aldermaston, the headquarters of the UK's Atomic Weapons Establishment, and the family was raised under the injunctions of the Official Secrets Act. If there was a feature of her upbringing Janey feels contributed to the development - though not the cause - of her illness, it was the way discussion of private, personal matters wasn't countenanced.

The psychiatrists she saw, at home and university, variously misdiagnosed her, partly because they were never around long enough to observe her properly and partly because Janey didn't know how to admit to her experiences. Qualifying as a molecular biologist from Sussex University, she married a fellow scientist and worked with him in America for three relatively happy years, then returned to lab work at Northwick Park hospital in London. It was here that she suddenly saw a little black devil in the coffee room. Hurling a cup at it in terror, it was as if the cover of her schizophrenic symptoms had been blown.

The visual hallucinations Janey has endured have been easier to handle - more fleeting and changeable. But the voices have remained fixed, belonging to some deeper mental structure, like an unacknowledged government department. The insults and commands she has heard have been powerful enough to make her jump off Westminster Bridge into the Thames, walk down railway lines, and attempt suicide several times. Yet it was only after a slip of the tongue in her late 20s, when she told a close friend what "they" had said, that it occurred to Janey she should mention the voices to a psychiatrist. Why had it taken her so long?

"You don't talk about it," she says. "That was my explanation. They didn't officially exist."

Janey may in the past have filtered her experience through the secret realm of her father's work, but it would be impossible to see him as the cause - to reduce to mere psychology the fusion of auditory and cognitive functions represented by her voices. Once she had acknowledged them, she received a diagnosis of schizophrenia and, for her, this has meant excluding the possibility of children. "I am a geneticist, after all," she says. "I know the statistics, and I wouldn't put anyone else through this."

Nevertheless, she does sometimes wonder if there might be psychological resolutions to a neuro-chemical drama. The Hearing Voices Network, for example, persuades schizophrenics to listen to their voices and argue them out. "It might be worth it in the long- term," Janey says, "but it might also send me mad. I'm too afraid to do it. Wouldn't you be?"

Her method of coping is to dampen the voices with medication and refuse to engage - except, with extraordinary eloquence, in the work she does to help other people understand. And she still sings in a choir, even though pieces such as Elgar's Dream Of Gerontius can unleash her all-too-real demons. "It may make me break down," she says, "but I love it."

At this, her face knots up briefly, as she wills them to go away.

 

 

Dr Peter Morrall

University of Leeds

 

 

Dr Peter Morrall

University of Leeds

 


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The suggestion that few people with mental illness recover or manage to cope with their condition is untrue, according to a survey carried out by the UK mental health charity Mind. They found that 62% of those interviewed felt the general public was the biggest barrier to recovery.

A total of 970 people were interviewed, screening for various types of psychiatric disorders including depression, schizophrenia, manic depression, and post-traumatic stress disorder.

The report 'Roads to Recovery' reveals that more than half of the 970 participants said they felt 'recovered' or were coping with their disorder with some sort of support. However, 75% of those who felt recovered or were coping said that there were still times when they felt unwell.

Spending time with friends and family appeared to have the greatest effect on helping psychiatric patients 'keep well', with other factors such as eating well, working and volunteering, hobbies, and physical exercise also playing important roles.

Moreover, talking to partners, friends, or family seemed to be the first port of call for those who went through periods of feeling unwell, with 60% of respondents saying this was the most common way of coping, compared with 45% who said they would visit their doctor or psychiatrist.

Other than the general public, other barriers to recovery were low self-esteem (54%), the benefits trap and low income (50%), and the attitude of mental health professionals (39%).

Richard Brook, Mind's chief executive, said: 'Mental Health is one of the few areas of healthcare in Britain today where the expectation of recovery is very low.'

He adds: 'Our findings show that recovery to users or ex-users of mental health services does not necessarily mean life is free from mental health problems, but they learn to cope with them better.'

 

The charity would like to see the government invest in a public education campaign focused on recovery and coping, particularly as 'in the main, people used simple strategies, ones that we all use, to help themselves get through difficult times.'

Brook concludes that better information on effective recovery strategies would enable people with psychiatric problems to access the help and support they need to start the process of recovery.

 

Mind report: Roads to Recovery


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Subject: Fw: Let's not forget that FREEDOM is not free…. 		sasone2one
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PLEASE PASS THIS ON. AS OF THIS WEEKEND 237 BRITISH SOLDIERS HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES IN AFGHANISTAN SINCE 2001

Let's not forget that FREEDOM is not free…. 
    
   Please forward this to at least one person       
     

THE  FINAL INSPECTION 

The soldier stood and faced God,  Which must always come to pass. 
He hoped his shoes were shining, Just as brightly as his  brass. 

'Step forward now, you soldier, How shall I deal with you ? 
Have you always turned the other cheek? To My Church have you been true?' 

The soldier  squared his shoulders and said, 'No, Lord, I guess I ain't. 
Because those of us who carry guns, Can't always be a saint. 

I've had to work most Sundays, And at times my  talk was tough. 
And sometimes I've been violent, Because the world is awfully rough. 

But, I never took a penny, That wasn't mine to keep.... 
Though I worked a lot of overtime, When the bills got just too steep. 

And I never passed a cry for help, Though at times I shook with fear. 
And sometimes, God, forgive me, I've wept unmanly tears. 

I know I don't deserve a place, Among the people here. 
They never wanted me around, Except to calm their fears. 

If you've a place for me here, Lord, It needn't be so grand. 
I never expected or had too much, But if you don't, I'll understand. 

There was a silence all around the throne, Where the saints had often trod. 
As the soldier waited quietly, For the judgment of his God. 

'Step forward now, you soldier, You've borne your burdens well. 
Walk peacefully on Heaven's streets, You've done your time in Hell.' 

     

Thinking of all the British Soldiers   

Author Unknown~ 

It's the Military, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the Press.. It's the Military, not the poet, who has given us the freedom  of
Speech. It's the Military, not the  politicians that ensures our right to Life,  Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

It's the  Military who salutes  The  flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose  coffin is draped by The flag. 

If you  care to offer the smallest token of recognition and appreciation for The Military, please pass this on and pray for our men and women who  have Served and are currently serving our country and pray for those who Have given the ultimate sacrifice for freedom.


A Prayer chain for our Military   
Say a short prayer for our soldiers and then send this on ..........please

 

GOD BLESS YOU FOR PASSING IT ON!

 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 




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#7671 From: "Pam Pinder" <pamshouse@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:56 pm
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I agree with you about surveys Rob as with anything it can be made to fit. And when 92% of Britons are quoted this indicates to me everyone in Briton has been involved in the survey, I haven't, have you? What figure is involved in the survey? If it involved 50 people that would be 46 people felt they would be stigmatised against. If those 50 people had mental health problems already and were the only ones surveyed it would be easy to see why the % was 92. It's rammed down your throat enough with all the media coverage about stigma, just like it is with people who have schizophrenia or the ethnic minority. There is a quote from a well known sociologist Erving Goffman Highlights how stigma can affect someone.

 

"Once a person becomes aware of her or his stigmatised label, self-perceptions are affected and they assimilate the values of the dominant group."

 
Pam
 
 
 
 
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Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career

 

But Pam, having a 'disability' is based on the medical model and generally the question asked on such forms is .... "Do you consider yourself to be disabled ?" .... which is a personal choice, either 'yes' or 'no'. If someone says 'Yes' then the employer has to ensure that the workplace is suitably adapted for that disability ~ how do you 'adapt' a workplace to make it suitable for someone with a severe and enduring mental health condition ?
 
It's very much the same when it comes to ethnicity questions, there is usually White British/White Irish/White Other .............. which I find to be discriminatory, as there should be White Scottish/White Welsh. In fact, I have come across only one County Council that has White Scottish on their forms and it happens to be the one I live in
 
I think the 'stigma' is in the selection process for employment and the working 'hours' being too inflexible to accomodate anyone with a mental health diagnosis. But having said that, it is quite commonly known that most of the best and very successful politicians, actors, actresses, businesspeople etc. are people with a mental health diagnosis ... so why should there still be this "myth" that mental health conditions prevent anyone getting ahead ?
 
I know for a fact that 'stigma' is also two-sided, a person with a mental health diagnosis may want to choose to keep their diagnosis secret, so they stop themself from being put forward for fear of being found out.
 
92% of Britons believing that admitting mental illness harms career prospects is about right, but then I could ask some questions about how this figure came about ? As we all know, there are Surveys that can highlight what they want to highlight to dramatic effect, remember the advert about dog food and pedigree chum..... most dogs preferred pedigree chum....I never saw a dog that could do a tick-box survey (let alone talk) yet. So how can these Surveys be taken seriously ? 
 
.

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From: Pam Pinder <pamshouse@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career
To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 11 November, 2009, 22:13

 

The only way to fight stigma is by standing up to the stigmatisers. There is no point in having a DDA if people do not use it. If more people felt able to stand up and be open and strong enough to challenge this would have an impact on anti stigma.
 
Somebody who recently moved into the street where I live has Bi Polar. The first time I spoke to him he told me about his condition and has done so to everyone else he has spoken to. There is no reason why he had to do this that I can think of nor any reason why he shouldn't, he is a nice enough person and people can see that. Doing something like this helps to fight stigma and put things into perspective. I agree with you having a disability does not mean you are not capable of doing a job as good as the next person which is the reason why you should not feel you have to hide it.
 
Being open might even get you the job. There is often a question on most application like - do you have a disability, if you say no and you have then it doesn't leave much room for claiming discrimination against you if they don't know in the first place. Any employer would need to know something about you before they employ you, some will not employ before doing a CRB check for example.
 
Pam
 
 
 
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Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career

 
Yeah but what about employers and the DDA ?
 
Just because a person has a disability doesn't mean they can't do the same job (sometimes better) than an able-bodied person.
 
Mental health conditions should not stop anyone from doing any type of work, as long as the condition is taken into proper consideration by the employer AND the rest of the workforce.
 
The recent headline about the German referee, spoke volumes about the stigma he felt that he needed to 'hide' from everyone in his professional life and also, his private life, as he was sure his depression would be held against him in adopting a child.
 
.

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From: Pam Pinder <pamshouse@blueyonde r.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career
To: Carersforumuk@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, 11 November, 2009, 20:56

 

Neither have I Rob, we were talking about disclosing a medical condition on application of the job. If the employer requested further information of the condition you disclosed. Because outside of disability discrimination under employment law you would need to be fit to do the job you are employed to do. You would be entering into a contract when applying for a job, just like you are when purchasing goods from a shop. If the product couldn't do what it said it would you have the right to take it back. Then again up until you have been employed for 12 months you do not have full employment rights anyway.
 
If the employer asked for medical information from your records and you agreed they would not have access to all of your records only the information relevant to the condition disclosed,  you do not have to give permission for the prospective employer to have this information  But if there was more than one person applying for the post, how could you prove you did not get the job because of refusal or disability.
 
Once employed if the employee had a lot of sick time off, employers can request medical information relevant to the condition that is causing sickness. You have the right to refuse but this could lead to you losing your job. The other way around getting the information is by sending you to the firms Dr who is usually a community GP who would have access to medical information from consultants just as your own GP has. Also not forgetting your GP usually has to sign you off sick and declare you fit for work. They might sign some off the sick declaring they could do light duties, if the job involved heavy duties then it would not be suitable for your health condition.  So as with shop bought goods need to be fit for purpose, it's the same in employment and health and safety reasons. Unless of course employment law has changed since I was a rep. Then of course, if you had nothing to hide there would be no reason to refuse.
 
Pam
 
 
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Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career

 
I have never heard of any employer asking for Medical Records before offering employment to anyone, it's my experience that employers have all the relevant information on their application forms, which the potential employee signs and is 'hired' on the basis that everything checks out whilst the new employee is on "trial".
 
Employers don't always request Medical Records as it cost's £oney to access information, on top of the HR time involved.
 
And I would suggest that not all medical information is forthcoming to employers, certain health conditions are outwith what they have a "right" to know.
 
Though to bypass all of this, employers just send potential employees for a full medical examination before any position is offered on a permanent basis.
 
Probably why there are so many self-employed people (?) .... as they can't 'sack' themselves from having a health condition.
 


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Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career
To: Carersforumuk@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, 11 November, 2009, 5:26

 
Is that not discrimination?

2009/11/10 Pam Pinder <pamshouse@blueyonde r.co.uk>
 
A right No, but if they request the information and you refuse access,  you risk losing your job. For example if you are off sick from work under going medical treatment, the employer can ask for access to you medical records but need your permission to do so. As an employee you have the right to view what information is shared before being sent to the employer. They would not have a right to request access to all of you medical records only what is relevant to what ever is causing your sickness absence.
 
When I applied for the job I am in at present, I was still taking anti depressants which I disclosed on the questionnaire. Before I was accepted for the post the employer asked for my permission to contact my GP to ensure I was fit to do the job I am employed to do. They had no right to this information I could have refused, but if I refused I would not have got the job. 
 
Pam
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: mac pic
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career

 
Do employers have a right to see your medical records?  Probably not.

But I accept your point about journalists, they think its OK to spell out peoples problems in print, more should take them to court.

ian

2009/11/9 sasone2one <pamshouse@blueyonde r.co.uk>
 
Believe it or not Alex, family members/carers also have to deal with this stigma...I could tell you a few stories myself! It might be the best option for the person labelled not to reveal past problems, but if they do not disclose in a job application they risk losing their job anyway. I also find this ironic when family members can be refused this information with the excuse of confidentiality but strangers such as employers have the right to be informed? Not only this if someone with a MH diagnosis committs a crime their diagnosis is usually reveal in size 50 print on the front page headlines in a newspaper for the world to see, where confidentiality goes straight out of the window!

Pam

--- In Carersforumuk@ yahoogroups. com, Alex Jenson <alexjenson04@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> Until the mass market tabloids grow up and stop witch-hunting every time a schizophrenic person is involved in a crime --Newsflash- - people without mental health problems also do bad things -- until this culture of infantile mass media defining the parameters of every debate, changes, then nothing will change. But then the Sun is written for grown up children.
> If you've had a problem in the past, keep it to yourself, bury it, if it's no longer relevant, it's no longer relevant, and it's nobody else's business. Best way really.
> I once did a Masters degree and one day the supposedly enlightened head of the course (who knew about my past difficulties) said to me that 'he didn't want to see anybody get harmed'....a sad and shocking comment. People, whether they are educated or not, will always have these savage prejudices.
>



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Shaping Our Lives Winter Newsletter 2009

Dear Rob,
,
The latest Shaping Our Lives Winter Newsletter (Issue 16) has just been published, if we have your postal address you will have already recieved a copy. Here is a link to the electronic version. To download it in PDF format click here and in Word Text only format click here. We hope you find it an interesting read.

You will see in the newsletter that we are asking for your help and feedback. We need to be able to tell the Department of Health what you think they should be concentrating on.

Shaping Our Lives is working in partnership with the National Centre for Independent Living (NCIL) and RADAR, as one of 11 groups chosen by the Department of Health to take part in the ‘Third Sector Strategic Partner Programme’.
Our role in this work is to improve and strengthen two-way communication between service users and our organisations and the Department of Health. From previous work we have carried out and from listening to and meeting with many service users we have identified two areas which seem to us to concern service users above other issues.
We want to check these priority areas out with you.


1 Feeding from service users to the Department
The Department of Health has said that they want to see a national network of user-controlled/user-led organisations in every local authority area.

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ïµ Do you and/or your organisation feel this is making progress?
ïµ If not what are the problems and the barriers to making this a reality?
ïµ What should we be doing as service users and service user organisations to highlight the barriers and challenge them?
ïµ What message do we want to get to the Department of Health from our localities about this?

2 Feeding from the Department of Health to service users and our organisations
The government has committed itself to transforming social care to enable person-centred support (personalisation offering choice and control) and self-directed support (methods like direct payments and individual budgets, giving people choice and control over their support through having control of funds).

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ïµ Are present financial arrangements making this possible? Do you and/or your organisation feel you have enough resources to ensure equal access to funding to provide the support to make possible independent living?
ïµ Are there barriers?
ïµ If so, how can these be overcome in addressing social care funding for the future?


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#7668 From: aim highpeak <aimhighpeak@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:17 am
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But Pam, having a 'disability' is based on the medical model and generally the question asked on such forms is .... "Do you consider yourself to be disabled ?" .... which is a personal choice, either 'yes' or 'no'. If someone says 'Yes' then the employer has to ensure that the workplace is suitably adapted for that disability ~ how do you 'adapt' a workplace to make it suitable for someone with a severe and enduring mental health condition ?
 
It's very much the same when it comes to ethnicity questions, there is usually White British/White Irish/White Other .............. which I find to be discriminatory, as there should be White Scottish/White Welsh. In fact, I have come across only one County Council that has White Scottish on their forms and it happens to be the one I live in
 
I think the 'stigma' is in the selection process for employment and the working 'hours' being too inflexible to accomodate anyone with a mental health diagnosis. But having said that, it is quite commonly known that most of the best and very successful politicians, actors, actresses, businesspeople etc. are people with a mental health diagnosis ... so why should there still be this "myth" that mental health conditions prevent anyone getting ahead ?
 
I know for a fact that 'stigma' is also two-sided, a person with a mental health diagnosis may want to choose to keep their diagnosis secret, so they stop themself from being put forward for fear of being found out.
 
92% of Britons believing that admitting mental illness harms career prospects is about right, but then I could ask some questions about how this figure came about ? As we all know, there are Surveys that can highlight what they want to highlight to dramatic effect, remember the advert about dog food and pedigree chum..... most dogs preferred pedigree chum....I never saw a dog that could do a tick-box survey (let alone talk) yet. So how can these Surveys be taken seriously ? 
 
.

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Pam Pinder <pamshouse@...> wrote:

From: Pam Pinder <pamshouse@...>
Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career
To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 11 November, 2009, 22:13

 

The only way to fight stigma is by standing up to the stigmatisers. There is no point in having a DDA if people do not use it. If more people felt able to stand up and be open and strong enough to challenge this would have an impact on anti stigma.
 
Somebody who recently moved into the street where I live has Bi Polar. The first time I spoke to him he told me about his condition and has done so to everyone else he has spoken to. There is no reason why he had to do this that I can think of nor any reason why he shouldn't, he is a nice enough person and people can see that. Doing something like this helps to fight stigma and put things into perspective. I agree with you having a disability does not mean you are not capable of doing a job as good as the next person which is the reason why you should not feel you have to hide it.
 
Being open might even get you the job. There is often a question on most application like - do you have a disability, if you say no and you have then it doesn't leave much room for claiming discrimination against you if they don't know in the first place. Any employer would need to know something about you before they employ you, some will not employ before doing a CRB check for example.
 
Pam
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career

 
Yeah but what about employers and the DDA ?
 
Just because a person has a disability doesn't mean they can't do the same job (sometimes better) than an able-bodied person.
 
Mental health conditions should not stop anyone from doing any type of work, as long as the condition is taken into proper consideration by the employer AND the rest of the workforce.
 
The recent headline about the German referee, spoke volumes about the stigma he felt that he needed to 'hide' from everyone in his professional life and also, his private life, as he was sure his depression would be held against him in adopting a child.
 
.

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Pam Pinder <pamshouse@blueyonde r.co.uk> wrote:

From: Pam Pinder <pamshouse@blueyonde r.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career
To: Carersforumuk@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, 11 November, 2009, 20:56

 

Neither have I Rob, we were talking about disclosing a medical condition on application of the job. If the employer requested further information of the condition you disclosed. Because outside of disability discrimination under employment law you would need to be fit to do the job you are employed to do. You would be entering into a contract when applying for a job, just like you are when purchasing goods from a shop. If the product couldn't do what it said it would you have the right to take it back. Then again up until you have been employed for 12 months you do not have full employment rights anyway.
 
If the employer asked for medical information from your records and you agreed they would not have access to all of your records only the information relevant to the condition disclosed,  you do not have to give permission for the prospective employer to have this information  But if there was more than one person applying for the post, how could you prove you did not get the job because of refusal or disability.
 
Once employed if the employee had a lot of sick time off, employers can request medical information relevant to the condition that is causing sickness. You have the right to refuse but this could lead to you losing your job. The other way around getting the information is by sending you to the firms Dr who is usually a community GP who would have access to medical information from consultants just as your own GP has. Also not forgetting your GP usually has to sign you off sick and declare you fit for work. They might sign some off the sick declaring they could do light duties, if the job involved heavy duties then it would not be suitable for your health condition.  So as with shop bought goods need to be fit for purpose, it's the same in employment and health and safety reasons. Unless of course employment law has changed since I was a rep. Then of course, if you had nothing to hide there would be no reason to refuse.
 
Pam
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career

 
I have never heard of any employer asking for Medical Records before offering employment to anyone, it's my experience that employers have all the relevant information on their application forms, which the potential employee signs and is 'hired' on the basis that everything checks out whilst the new employee is on "trial".
 
Employers don't always request Medical Records as it cost's £oney to access information, on top of the HR time involved.
 
And I would suggest that not all medical information is forthcoming to employers, certain health conditions are outwith what they have a "right" to know.
 
Though to bypass all of this, employers just send potential employees for a full medical examination before any position is offered on a permanent basis.
 
Probably why there are so many self-employed people (?) .... as they can't 'sack' themselves from having a health condition.
 


--- On Wed, 11/11/09, mac pic <macpic91@googlemail .com> wrote:

From: mac pic <macpic91@googlemail .com>
Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career
To: Carersforumuk@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, 11 November, 2009, 5:26

 
Is that not discrimination?

2009/11/10 Pam Pinder <pamshouse@blueyonde r.co.uk>
 
A right No, but if they request the information and you refuse access,  you risk losing your job. For example if you are off sick from work under going medical treatment, the employer can ask for access to you medical records but need your permission to do so. As an employee you have the right to view what information is shared before being sent to the employer. They would not have a right to request access to all of you medical records only what is relevant to what ever is causing your sickness absence.
 
When I applied for the job I am in at present, I was still taking anti depressants which I disclosed on the questionnaire. Before I was accepted for the post the employer asked for my permission to contact my GP to ensure I was fit to do the job I am employed to do. They had no right to this information I could have refused, but if I refused I would not have got the job. 
 
Pam
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: mac pic
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career

 
Do employers have a right to see your medical records?  Probably not.

But I accept your point about journalists, they think its OK to spell out peoples problems in print, more should take them to court.

ian

2009/11/9 sasone2one <pamshouse@blueyonde r.co.uk>
 
Believe it or not Alex, family members/carers also have to deal with this stigma...I could tell you a few stories myself! It might be the best option for the person labelled not to reveal past problems, but if they do not disclose in a job application they risk losing their job anyway. I also find this ironic when family members can be refused this information with the excuse of confidentiality but strangers such as employers have the right to be informed? Not only this if someone with a MH diagnosis committs a crime their diagnosis is usually reveal in size 50 print on the front page headlines in a newspaper for the world to see, where confidentiality goes straight out of the window!

Pam

--- In Carersforumuk@ yahoogroups. com, Alex Jenson <alexjenson04@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> Until the mass market tabloids grow up and stop witch-hunting every time a schizophrenic person is involved in a crime --Newsflash- - people without mental health problems also do bad things -- until this culture of infantile mass media defining the parameters of every debate, changes, then nothing will change. But then the Sun is written for grown up children.
> If you've had a problem in the past, keep it to yourself, bury it, if it's no longer relevant, it's no longer relevant, and it's nobody else's business. Best way really.
> I once did a Masters degree and one day the supposedly enlightened head of the course (who knew about my past difficulties) said to me that 'he didn't want to see anybody get harmed'....a sad and shocking comment. People, whether they are educated or not, will always have these savage prejudices.
>



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#7667 From: "Pam Pinder" <pamshouse@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:13 pm
Subject: Re: Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career 		sasone2one
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The only way to fight stigma is by standing up to the stigmatisers. There is no point in having a DDA if people do not use it. If more people felt able to stand up and be open and strong enough to challenge this would have an impact on anti stigma.
 
Somebody who recently moved into the street where I live has Bi Polar. The first time I spoke to him he told me about his condition and has done so to everyone else he has spoken to. There is no reason why he had to do this that I can think of nor any reason why he shouldn't, he is a nice enough person and people can see that. Doing something like this helps to fight stigma and put things into perspective. I agree with you having a disability does not mean you are not capable of doing a job as good as the next person which is the reason why you should not feel you have to hide it.
 
Being open might even get you the job. There is often a question on most application like - do you have a disability, if you say no and you have then it doesn't leave much room for claiming discrimination against you if they don't know in the first place. Any employer would need to know something about you before they employ you, some will not employ before doing a CRB check for example.
 
Pam
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career

 

Yeah but what about employers and the DDA ?
 
Just because a person has a disability doesn't mean they can't do the same job (sometimes better) than an able-bodied person.
 
Mental health conditions should not stop anyone from doing any type of work, as long as the condition is taken into proper consideration by the employer AND the rest of the workforce.
 
The recent headline about the German referee, spoke volumes about the stigma he felt that he needed to 'hide' from everyone in his professional life and also, his private life, as he was sure his depression would be held against him in adopting a child.
 
.

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Pam Pinder <pamshouse@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

From: Pam Pinder <pamshouse@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career
To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 11 November, 2009, 20:56

 

Neither have I Rob, we were talking about disclosing a medical condition on application of the job. If the employer requested further information of the condition you disclosed. Because outside of disability discrimination under employment law you would need to be fit to do the job you are employed to do. You would be entering into a contract when applying for a job, just like you are when purchasing goods from a shop. If the product couldn't do what it said it would you have the right to take it back. Then again up until you have been employed for 12 months you do not have full employment rights anyway.
 
If the employer asked for medical information from your records and you agreed they would not have access to all of your records only the information relevant to the condition disclosed,  you do not have to give permission for the prospective employer to have this information  But if there was more than one person applying for the post, how could you prove you did not get the job because of refusal or disability.
 
Once employed if the employee had a lot of sick time off, employers can request medical information relevant to the condition that is causing sickness. You have the right to refuse but this could lead to you losing your job. The other way around getting the information is by sending you to the firms Dr who is usually a community GP who would have access to medical information from consultants just as your own GP has. Also not forgetting your GP usually has to sign you off sick and declare you fit for work. They might sign some off the sick declaring they could do light duties, if the job involved heavy duties then it would not be suitable for your health condition.  So as with shop bought goods need to be fit for purpose, it's the same in employment and health and safety reasons. Unless of course employment law has changed since I was a rep. Then of course, if you had nothing to hide there would be no reason to refuse.
 
Pam
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career

 
I have never heard of any employer asking for Medical Records before offering employment to anyone, it's my experience that employers have all the relevant information on their application forms, which the potential employee signs and is 'hired' on the basis that everything checks out whilst the new employee is on "trial".
 
Employers don't always request Medical Records as it cost's £oney to access information, on top of the HR time involved.
 
And I would suggest that not all medical information is forthcoming to employers, certain health conditions are outwith what they have a "right" to know.
 
Though to bypass all of this, employers just send potential employees for a full medical examination before any position is offered on a permanent basis.
 
Probably why there are so many self-employed people (?) .... as they can't 'sack' themselves from having a health condition.
 


--- On Wed, 11/11/09, mac pic <macpic91@googlemail .com> wrote:

From: mac pic <macpic91@googlemail .com>
Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career
To: Carersforumuk@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, 11 November, 2009, 5:26

 
Is that not discrimination?

2009/11/10 Pam Pinder <pamshouse@blueyonde r.co.uk>
 
A right No, but if they request the information and you refuse access,  you risk losing your job. For example if you are off sick from work under going medical treatment, the employer can ask for access to you medical records but need your permission to do so. As an employee you have the right to view what information is shared before being sent to the employer. They would not have a right to request access to all of you medical records only what is relevant to what ever is causing your sickness absence.
 
When I applied for the job I am in at present, I was still taking anti depressants which I disclosed on the questionnaire. Before I was accepted for the post the employer asked for my permission to contact my GP to ensure I was fit to do the job I am employed to do. They had no right to this information I could have refused, but if I refused I would not have got the job. 
 
Pam
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: mac pic
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career

 
Do employers have a right to see your medical records?  Probably not.

But I accept your point about journalists, they think its OK to spell out peoples problems in print, more should take them to court.

ian

2009/11/9 sasone2one <pamshouse@blueyonde r.co.uk>
 
Believe it or not Alex, family members/carers also have to deal with this stigma...I could tell you a few stories myself! It might be the best option for the person labelled not to reveal past problems, but if they do not disclose in a job application they risk losing their job anyway. I also find this ironic when family members can be refused this information with the excuse of confidentiality but strangers such as employers have the right to be informed? Not only this if someone with a MH diagnosis committs a crime their diagnosis is usually reveal in size 50 print on the front page headlines in a newspaper for the world to see, where confidentiality goes straight out of the window!

Pam

--- In Carersforumuk@ yahoogroups. com, Alex Jenson <alexjenson04@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> Until the mass market tabloids grow up and stop witch-hunting every time a schizophrenic person is involved in a crime --Newsflash- - people without mental health problems also do bad things -- until this culture of infantile mass media defining the parameters of every debate, changes, then nothing will change. But then the Sun is written for grown up children.
> If you've had a problem in the past, keep it to yourself, bury it, if it's no longer relevant, it's no longer relevant, and it's nobody else's business. Best way really.
> I once did a Masters degree and one day the supposedly enlightened head of the course (who knew about my past difficulties) said to me that 'he didn't want to see anybody get harmed'....a sad and shocking comment. People, whether they are educated or not, will always have these savage prejudices.
>



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#7666 From: aim highpeak <aimhighpeak@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:20 pm
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Yeah but what about employers and the DDA ?
 
Just because a person has a disability doesn't mean they can't do the same job (sometimes better) than an able-bodied person.
 
Mental health conditions should not stop anyone from doing any type of work, as long as the condition is taken into proper consideration by the employer AND the rest of the workforce.
 
The recent headline about the German referee, spoke volumes about the stigma he felt that he needed to 'hide' from everyone in his professional life and also, his private life, as he was sure his depression would be held against him in adopting a child.
 
.

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From: Pam Pinder <pamshouse@...>
Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career
To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 11 November, 2009, 20:56

 

Neither have I Rob, we were talking about disclosing a medical condition on application of the job. If the employer requested further information of the condition you disclosed. Because outside of disability discrimination under employment law you would need to be fit to do the job you are employed to do. You would be entering into a contract when applying for a job, just like you are when purchasing goods from a shop. If the product couldn't do what it said it would you have the right to take it back. Then again up until you have been employed for 12 months you do not have full employment rights anyway.
 
If the employer asked for medical information from your records and you agreed they would not have access to all of your records only the information relevant to the condition disclosed,  you do not have to give permission for the prospective employer to have this information  But if there was more than one person applying for the post, how could you prove you did not get the job because of refusal or disability.
 
Once employed if the employee had a lot of sick time off, employers can request medical information relevant to the condition that is causing sickness. You have the right to refuse but this could lead to you losing your job. The other way around getting the information is by sending you to the firms Dr who is usually a community GP who would have access to medical information from consultants just as your own GP has. Also not forgetting your GP usually has to sign you off sick and declare you fit for work. They might sign some off the sick declaring they could do light duties, if the job involved heavy duties then it would not be suitable for your health condition.  So as with shop bought goods need to be fit for purpose, it's the same in employment and health and safety reasons. Unless of course employment law has changed since I was a rep. Then of course, if you had nothing to hide there would be no reason to refuse.
 
Pam
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career

 
I have never heard of any employer asking for Medical Records before offering employment to anyone, it's my experience that employers have all the relevant information on their application forms, which the potential employee signs and is 'hired' on the basis that everything checks out whilst the new employee is on "trial".
 
Employers don't always request Medical Records as it cost's £oney to access information, on top of the HR time involved.
 
And I would suggest that not all medical information is forthcoming to employers, certain health conditions are outwith what they have a "right" to know.
 
Though to bypass all of this, employers just send potential employees for a full medical examination before any position is offered on a permanent basis.
 
Probably why there are so many self-employed people (?) .... as they can't 'sack' themselves from having a health condition.
 


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From: mac pic <macpic91@googlemail .com>
Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career
To: Carersforumuk@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, 11 November, 2009, 5:26

 
Is that not discrimination?

2009/11/10 Pam Pinder <pamshouse@blueyonde r.co.uk>
 
A right No, but if they request the information and you refuse access,  you risk losing your job. For example if you are off sick from work under going medical treatment, the employer can ask for access to you medical records but need your permission to do so. As an employee you have the right to view what information is shared before being sent to the employer. They would not have a right to request access to all of you medical records only what is relevant to what ever is causing your sickness absence.
 
When I applied for the job I am in at present, I was still taking anti depressants which I disclosed on the questionnaire. Before I was accepted for the post the employer asked for my permission to contact my GP to ensure I was fit to do the job I am employed to do. They had no right to this information I could have refused, but if I refused I would not have got the job. 
 
Pam
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: mac pic
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career

 
Do employers have a right to see your medical records?  Probably not.

But I accept your point about journalists, they think its OK to spell out peoples problems in print, more should take them to court.

ian

2009/11/9 sasone2one <pamshouse@blueyonde r.co.uk>
 
Believe it or not Alex, family members/carers also have to deal with this stigma...I could tell you a few stories myself! It might be the best option for the person labelled not to reveal past problems, but if they do not disclose in a job application they risk losing their job anyway. I also find this ironic when family members can be refused this information with the excuse of confidentiality but strangers such as employers have the right to be informed? Not only this if someone with a MH diagnosis committs a crime their diagnosis is usually reveal in size 50 print on the front page headlines in a newspaper for the world to see, where confidentiality goes straight out of the window!

Pam

--- In Carersforumuk@ yahoogroups. com, Alex Jenson <alexjenson04@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> Until the mass market tabloids grow up and stop witch-hunting every time a schizophrenic person is involved in a crime --Newsflash- - people without mental health problems also do bad things -- until this culture of infantile mass media defining the parameters of every debate, changes, then nothing will change. But then the Sun is written for grown up children.
> If you've had a problem in the past, keep it to yourself, bury it, if it's no longer relevant, it's no longer relevant, and it's nobody else's business. Best way really.
> I once did a Masters degree and one day the supposedly enlightened head of the course (who knew about my past difficulties) said to me that 'he didn't want to see anybody get harmed'....a sad and shocking comment. People, whether they are educated or not, will always have these savage prejudices.
>



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#7665 From: "Pam Pinder" <pamshouse@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:56 pm
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Neither have I Rob, we were talking about disclosing a medical condition on application of the job. If the employer requested further information of the condition you disclosed. Because outside of disability discrimination under employment law you would need to be fit to do the job you are employed to do. You would be entering into a contract when applying for a job, just like you are when purchasing goods from a shop. If the product couldn't do what it said it would you have the right to take it back. Then again up until you have been employed for 12 months you do not have full employment rights anyway.
 
If the employer asked for medical information from your records and you agreed they would not have access to all of your records only the information relevant to the condition disclosed,  you do not have to give permission for the prospective employer to have this information  But if there was more than one person applying for the post, how could you prove you did not get the job because of refusal or disability.
 
Once employed if the employee had a lot of sick time off, employers can request medical information relevant to the condition that is causing sickness. You have the right to refuse but this could lead to you losing your job. The other way around getting the information is by sending you to the firms Dr who is usually a community GP who would have access to medical information from consultants just as your own GP has. Also not forgetting your GP usually has to sign you off sick and declare you fit for work. They might sign some off the sick declaring they could do light duties, if the job involved heavy duties then it would not be suitable for your health condition.  So as with shop bought goods need to be fit for purpose, it's the same in employment and health and safety reasons. Unless of course employment law has changed since I was a rep. Then of course, if you had nothing to hide there would be no reason to refuse.
 
Pam
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career

 

I have never heard of any employer asking for Medical Records before offering employment to anyone, it's my experience that employers have all the relevant information on their application forms, which the potential employee signs and is 'hired' on the basis that everything checks out whilst the new employee is on "trial".
 
Employers don't always request Medical Records as it cost's £oney to access information, on top of the HR time involved.
 
And I would suggest that not all medical information is forthcoming to employers, certain health conditions are outwith what they have a "right" to know.
 
Though to bypass all of this, employers just send potential employees for a full medical examination before any position is offered on a permanent basis.
 
Probably why there are so many self-employed people (?) .... as they can't 'sack' themselves from having a health condition.
 


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From: mac pic <macpic91@googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career
To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 11 November, 2009, 5:26

 
Is that not discrimination?

2009/11/10 Pam Pinder <pamshouse@blueyonde r.co.uk>
 
A right No, but if they request the information and you refuse access,  you risk losing your job. For example if you are off sick from work under going medical treatment, the employer can ask for access to you medical records but need your permission to do so. As an employee you have the right to view what information is shared before being sent to the employer. They would not have a right to request access to all of you medical records only what is relevant to what ever is causing your sickness absence.
 
When I applied for the job I am in at present, I was still taking anti depressants which I disclosed on the questionnaire. Before I was accepted for the post the employer asked for my permission to contact my GP to ensure I was fit to do the job I am employed to do. They had no right to this information I could have refused, but if I refused I would not have got the job. 
 
Pam
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: mac pic
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career

 
Do employers have a right to see your medical records?  Probably not.

But I accept your point about journalists, they think its OK to spell out peoples problems in print, more should take them to court.

ian

2009/11/9 sasone2one <pamshouse@blueyonde r.co.uk>
 
Believe it or not Alex, family members/carers also have to deal with this stigma...I could tell you a few stories myself! It might be the best option for the person labelled not to reveal past problems, but if they do not disclose in a job application they risk losing their job anyway. I also find this ironic when family members can be refused this information with the excuse of confidentiality but strangers such as employers have the right to be informed? Not only this if someone with a MH diagnosis committs a crime their diagnosis is usually reveal in size 50 print on the front page headlines in a newspaper for the world to see, where confidentiality goes straight out of the window!

Pam

--- In Carersforumuk@ yahoogroups. com, Alex Jenson <alexjenson04@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> Until the mass market tabloids grow up and stop witch-hunting every time a schizophrenic person is involved in a crime --Newsflash- - people without mental health problems also do bad things -- until this culture of infantile mass media defining the parameters of every debate, changes, then nothing will change. But then the Sun is written for grown up children.
> If you've had a problem in the past, keep it to yourself, bury it, if it's no longer relevant, it's no longer relevant, and it's nobody else's business. Best way really.
> I once did a Masters degree and one day the supposedly enlightened head of the course (who knew about my past difficulties) said to me that 'he didn't want to see anybody get harmed'....a sad and shocking comment. People, whether they are educated or not, will always have these savage prejudices.
>



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Peter Townsend Memorial Conference

Conway Hall

25 Red Lion Square

London, WC1 (nearest tube: Holborn)

Friday 20th November 2009

10.00am to 4.00pm

 

For free tickets please send an e-mail to:

 

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This free one day memorial conference for Peter Townsend will consist of four panels of speakers about Inequalities in Health, Older People, Poverty & Social Exclusion and Social Policy.  The aim of the conference is to be forward looking rather than only reminiscing about the past.  Speakers will be asked to spend at least half their time talking about what still needs to be done (both academically and politically) and how this can be achieved.  Each session will have time for discussion.

 

Speakers will include:

Julio Boltvinik (El Colegio de México)

Jonathan Bradshaw (University of York)

Roger Bullock (Social Research Unit at Dartington) Danny Dorling (University of Sheffield) David Gordon (Townsend Centre for International Poverty Research) Kate Green (Child Poverty Action Group) Paddy Hillyard (Queen's University, Belfast) Hilary Land (University of Bristol) Ruth Levitas (University of Bristol) Roy Parker (Centre for Social Policy) Allyson Pollock (University of Edinburgh) Asuncion St.Clair (University of Bergen) Randall Smith (University of Bristol) Nick Spencer (University of Warwick) Peter Taylor-Gooby (University of Kent) Alan Walker (University of Sheffield) Margaret Whitehead (University of Liverpool) Nicola Yeates (Open University)

 

This memorial conference is designed to complement the memorial celebration that will be held at St Martins in the Field, Trafalgar Square, London WC2N 4JJ, between 11.00am and 12.30pm on Thursday 19th November - all are invited.

 

 

The conference is being supported by Academy of Social Sciences, British Academy, Child Poverty Action Group, Comparative Research Programme on Poverty, Fabian Society, Social Policy Association, Social Research Unit at Dartington and the University of Bristol.

 



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Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:14 pm
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What a surprise Rob...not. Not surprising but quite worrying how something can be made to fit, errors in notes are not uncommon in other areas outside of this case. Some can be quite damaging.
 
Pam
 
 
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"hid" crucial evidence
 
The childcare watchdog has admitted withholding crucial evidence that could potentially hand Sharon Shoesmith, the former head of children’s services at Haringey Council, hundreds of thousands of pounds in compensation.
 
 
 
 
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What have the noughties done for science?

Watch What have the noughties done for science? on Newsnight on Wednesday 11 November 2009 at 10.30pm on BBC Two.  

 


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Mind Link National Advisory Panel notice of elections 2010 - addition of vacancy in Central and East Anglia region

In addition to the previously advertised vacancies, there is now also a position available in the Central and East Anglia region. This region encompasses Essex, Hertfordshire, Buckinghamshire, Bedfordshire, Oxfordshire, Cambridgeshire, Norfolk and Suffolk.

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Time to Change is recruiting for four new members of their Lived Experience Advisory Panel, which is crucial to ensuring that the voices of people with direct experience of mental health problems remain central to Time to Change.
They are interested in hearing from you if you have direct experience as a survivor, service user or carer and are involved with regional or local networks, and have skills in public speaking and involving others. They are keen to ensure diverse representation, so would particularly encourage you to apply if you are from a black, ethnic or other minority community, or if you live in the south-west, south-east or north-east of England.

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#7660 From: aim highpeak <aimhighpeak@...>
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A former British MEP who admitted fiddling £39,000 worth of expenses has been jailed for two years.

Tom Wise, 61, from Leighton Buzzard in Bedfordshire, initially denied false accounting and money laundering during the case at Southwark Crown Court
But the former MEP for the East, who was thrown out of the UK Independence Party (UKIP), later pleaded guilty.
Wise took the money between 14 December 2004 and 24 December 2005, and spent it on cars and wine.
 
 
Is this the only one to be jailed .... I wonder ?
 


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#7659 From: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com
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#7658 From: aim highpeak <aimhighpeak@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:02 am
Subject: "hid" crucial evidence 		aimhighpeak
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The childcare watchdog has admitted withholding crucial evidence that could potentially hand Sharon Shoesmith, the former head of children’s services at Haringey Council, hundreds of thousands of pounds in compensation.
 
 
 
 
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#7657 From: aim highpeak <aimhighpeak@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:47 am
Subject: Re: Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career 		aimhighpeak
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I have never heard of any employer asking for Medical Records before offering employment to anyone, it's my experience that employers have all the relevant information on their application forms, which the potential employee signs and is 'hired' on the basis that everything checks out whilst the new employee is on "trial".
 
Employers don't always request Medical Records as it cost's £oney to access information, on top of the HR time involved.
 
And I would suggest that not all medical information is forthcoming to employers, certain health conditions are outwith what they have a "right" to know.
 
Though to bypass all of this, employers just send potential employees for a full medical examination before any position is offered on a permanent basis.
 
Probably why there are so many self-employed people (?) .... as they can't 'sack' themselves from having a health condition.
 


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Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career
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Date: Wednesday, 11 November, 2009, 5:26

 
Is that not discrimination?

2009/11/10 Pam Pinder <pamshouse@blueyonde r.co.uk>
 
A right No, but if they request the information and you refuse access,  you risk losing your job. For example if you are off sick from work under going medical treatment, the employer can ask for access to you medical records but need your permission to do so. As an employee you have the right to view what information is shared before being sent to the employer. They would not have a right to request access to all of you medical records only what is relevant to what ever is causing your sickness absence.
 
When I applied for the job I am in at present, I was still taking anti depressants which I disclosed on the questionnaire. Before I was accepted for the post the employer asked for my permission to contact my GP to ensure I was fit to do the job I am employed to do. They had no right to this information I could have refused, but if I refused I would not have got the job. 
 
Pam
 
 
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career

 
Do employers have a right to see your medical records?  Probably not.

But I accept your point about journalists, they think its OK to spell out peoples problems in print, more should take them to court.

ian

2009/11/9 sasone2one <pamshouse@blueyonde r.co.uk>
 
Believe it or not Alex, family members/carers also have to deal with this stigma...I could tell you a few stories myself! It might be the best option for the person labelled not to reveal past problems, but if they do not disclose in a job application they risk losing their job anyway. I also find this ironic when family members can be refused this information with the excuse of confidentiality but strangers such as employers have the right to be informed? Not only this if someone with a MH diagnosis committs a crime their diagnosis is usually reveal in size 50 print on the front page headlines in a newspaper for the world to see, where confidentiality goes straight out of the window!

Pam

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> Until the mass market tabloids grow up and stop witch-hunting every time a schizophrenic person is involved in a crime --Newsflash- - people without mental health problems also do bad things -- until this culture of infantile mass media defining the parameters of every debate, changes, then nothing will change. But then the Sun is written for grown up children.
> If you've had a problem in the past, keep it to yourself, bury it, if it's no longer relevant, it's no longer relevant, and it's nobody else's business. Best way really.
> I once did a Masters degree and one day the supposedly enlightened head of the course (who knew about my past difficulties) said to me that 'he didn't want to see anybody get harmed'....a sad and shocking comment. People, whether they are educated or not, will always have these savage prejudices.
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#7656 From: mac pic <macpic91@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:26 am
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Is that not discrimination?

2009/11/10 Pam Pinder <pamshouse@...>
 

A right No, but if they request the information and you refuse access,  you risk losing your job. For example if you are off sick from work under going medical treatment, the employer can ask for access to you medical records but need your permission to do so. As an employee you have the right to view what information is shared before being sent to the employer. They would not have a right to request access to all of you medical records only what is relevant to what ever is causing your sickness absence.
 
When I applied for the job I am in at present, I was still taking anti depressants which I disclosed on the questionnaire. Before I was accepted for the post the employer asked for my permission to contact my GP to ensure I was fit to do the job I am employed to do. They had no right to this information I could have refused, but if I refused I would not have got the job. 
 
Pam
 
 
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Re: 92% of Britons believe admitting mental illness harms career

 

Do employers have a right to see your medical records?  Probably not.

But I accept your point about journalists, they think its OK to spell out peoples problems in print, more should take them to court.

ian

2009/11/9 sasone2one <pamshouse@...>
 

Believe it or not Alex, family members/carers also have to deal with this stigma...I could tell you a few stories myself! It might be the best option for the person labelled not to reveal past problems, but if they do not disclose in a job application they risk losing their job anyway. I also find this ironic when family members can be refused this information with the excuse of confidentiality but strangers such as employers have the right to be informed? Not only this if someone with a MH diagnosis committs a crime their diagnosis is usually reveal in size 50 print on the front page headlines in a newspaper for the world to see, where confidentiality goes straight out of the window!

Pam

--- In Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com, Alex Jenson <alexjenson04@...> wrote:
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>
> Until the mass market tabloids grow up and stop witch-hunting every time a schizophrenic person is involved in a crime --Newsflash-- people without mental health problems also do bad things -- until this culture of infantile mass media defining the parameters of every debate, changes, then nothing will change. But then the Sun is written for grown up children.
> If you've had a problem in the past, keep it to yourself, bury it, if it's no longer relevant, it's no longer relevant, and it's nobody else's business. Best way really.
> I once did a Masters degree and one day the supposedly enlightened head of the course (who knew about my past difficulties) said to me that 'he didn't want to see anybody get harmed'....a sad and shocking comment. People, whether they are educated or not, will always have these savage prejudices.
>



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Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:47 pm
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We’re interested in hearing from you if you have direct experience as a survivor, service user or carer and are involved with national, regional or local networks, and have skills in public speaking, media work, research, involving others or community engagement.
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Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:57 pm
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Dear Carers Friend,

I would like to introduce you to the 47th Issue of the Hull Carers Forum Newsletter.  

This newsletter is free to everyone interested in carers’ issues and I would like to invite you to subscribe.  The newsletter is issued 10 times years and is full of local and national news, service details and much, much more.

Anyone can subscribe to the Hull Carers Forum Newsletter just by clicking here and it would be a pleasure to add you to our ever increasing circulation.

Thank you for your time and interest.

Carers’ Rights Day

Carers Centre Hull is marking this year’s Carers’ Rights Day by having an information and advice event in Queen Victoria Square, Hull.  We will be on a super low floor accessible bus and everyone is welcome to come along.

Carers’ Rights Day is on Friday 4th December 2009 and is based on ‘Caring for your income and pension’.

The bus will be packed with advice and information from the Carers Centre and other advice agencies and can been seen between 10am and 3pm.  So please come along and see us on the day and make sure you are ‘Caring for your income and pension’.

Thank you for reading and enjoy the newsletter.

In this issue:

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*       How Was It for You?

*       The Art Of Fun

*       Carers Unite

*       Supporting Our Families

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Carers’ Centre Hull New Website

The Carers’ Centre continues to work on its new and improved website for carers.  The site now boasts a News and Campaigns section, details of its Outreach Service whilst continuing to be accessible and easy to navigate.

 

We are always pleased to receive any feedback or ideas you may have to offer to create a complete service to our Hull carers.

 

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