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#7383

From: annelinora@...
Date: Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:15 am
Subject: FW: supplements to be prescription only

burfoot68

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http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Vitamins/

...in case you may wish to add your signature.

Ann

There is a proposal to make all vitamins etc. only available via a doctor. The petition against this is available to be signed here:

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Vitamins/

...in case you may wish to add your signature.

Catherine

From: noel-money@...
To: cmstanley23@...
Subject: supplements to be prescription only
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 23:47:42 +0100

There is a proposal to make all vitamins etc. only available via a doctor. The petition against this is available to be signed here:

a lovely use of the internet I reckon.

love from noel

Have more than one Hotmail account? Link them together to easily access both.

#7382

From: "ifyoudonttryyourguranteedtofail" <expertsbyexperience@...>
Date: Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:36 pm
Subject: Re: Give your views on Social Care

ifyoudonttry...

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I remember the poor days Mick, only too well. But then we didn't have
expectations, I can still remember using off cuts of wood my gran had been and
got from the wood yard near by. Sitting there playing for hours building things.

Then when I got married we still didn't have a lot...not that I noticed! Boiling
nappies in a large saucepan and handwashing clothes  and using an old fashioned
mangle, because we couldn't afford a washing machine.

We are far better off these days financially, but there is something missing for
the kids of today.

I am also disallusioned with both the main political parties and am having
serious thoughts as to whether I will bother to even vote at the next election.
From where I am sitting we are being sold down the river, me voting will not
change this. Because it's plain to see no matter what is promised on election
day, there are no guarantees they will come up with the goods.

We end up being robbed left right and centre, by way of taxes on everything. The
most recent tax I heard was on the way was for being charged for the rain water
that runs off your drive...even if you do not have a car to park on it!

I can see why one of my son's keeps going on about getting out of this country,
he has concerns for his kids when they grow up.




--- In Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com, MICHAEL FUREY <thefurey@...> wrote:
>
> I just don't believe this about people being 'supported' to take out
insurance. Why should profit-making insurance companies be involved in any case?
They are in business to make profit for their shareholders, in fact they have a
legal duty to do that. There is no guarantee that they will continue to pay out
if an illness becomes more acute. There will be limits on what they will pay for
and limits on what they will pay out in any period. They will probably set an
excess figure that the claimant will have to provide before any payment is made.
>  
> All this is just another New Labour idea for sucking up to big business in the
hope that there will be highly paid 'consulatancies' for them when they're out
of office. They reneged on their manifesto for the 1997 election because they
wanted to outdo the Tories in cutting costs.
>  
> Like a lot of people, I had great hopes in 1997. Those hopes have been dashed
so many times since then that I despair for the future of this country under two
so-similar parties. The Liberals don't count, so we can ignore them as most
voters do. There is no fear of me voting Tory; they're blood enemies to me. But
I haven't voted for Labour since 1997, and will not until the party returns to
its founding principles. And that's not looking back to 1907; principles need
not change though the way they're implemented may do.
>
> Damn them for what they're doing to the people of this country. Damn them for
what they're bent on taking away from my kids, grandkids and great-grandkids. I
have to be realistic and accept that my time is coming to a close. I lived poor
as a kid, and we weren't 'poor but we were happy'. We were poor and I was damned
unhappy about it. Between New Labour and the Tories, I fear those days will
return while their paymasters grow fat on unearned income.
>  
> Some people of my generation keep harking back to the 'good old days'; I fear
that they might well turn out to be just that.
>  
> Mick Furey
> --- On Thu, 27/8/09, Pamela Pinder <pamshouse@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Pamela Pinder <pamshouse@...>
> Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Give your views on Social Care
> To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 6:19 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>   Insurance �" individuals would be supported to take out private or state
insurance which would provide free care. We are concerned that this approach
would rely on people being able to afford to pay for insurance, which is often
difficult for people for people with mental illness to access anyway.
>  
> What do we already pay National insurance for?
>  
> If people pay into a private insurance to pay for care, what reassurances
would people have this would happen? Just take those people who have paid
insurances on their mortgage payments if they lose their jobs or become disabled
through ill health...they haven't paid up.
>  
> Pam
>  
> Website: www.pamshouse. pwp.blueyonder. co.uk
> Message board: http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ Carersforumuk/
>  
> There are four kinds of people in this world... past carers - carers - future
carers ....and those who will need to be cared for
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mac pic
> To: carersforumuk
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:41 AM
> Subject: [Carersforumuk] Give your views on Social Care
>
>  
>
> http://www.rethink. org/how_we_ can_help/ campaigning_ for_change/
opening_doors/ social_care_ consulta. html?shortcut= socialcare
>
>
> What's happening to Disability Benefits?
> The Green Paper asks whether it would be a good idea to use the money
currently spent on 'disability benefits' , to go towards paying for the National
Care Service. This would mean that Attendance Allowance and possible Disability
Living Allowance would be discontinued.
> The new system should mean that people will be better able to access support,
and to have more control and choice over how to spend their Individual Budget.
So, in theory at least, integrating this funding may be logical. However - we
are worried that this might not be in practice - we already know that Local
Authorities still fail to support people with mental health problems to use
'direct payments', which is method by which Individual Budgets will be
allocated.
>  denotes a required field
> What can you do about this?
> We need to hear from you about how these various proposals will affect you. We
need examples and evidence to build an argument against abolishing DLA and
AA. 
>
> what to you currently spend DLA or AA on and how does help your mental health?
> what would it mean for you if you did not have DLA or AA?
> what is your current experience of being assessed by social services - do
they understand your needs?
> Please let us know what you think by filling in the box below. You can read
the full Green Paper and respond directly to the Department of Health
consultation by the 13th November 2009
>

#7381

From: "Pamela Pinder" <pamshouse@...>
Date: Sat Aug 29, 2009 11:46 am
Subject: Spanish-French singer Manu Chao records album in a psychiatric hospital in Buenos Aires

sasone2one

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This was posted on the psych nursing site

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/aug/28/manu-chao-psychiatric-patients

Manu Chao is famous for blending musical styles but even for him his latest album is a departure: a collaboration with psychiatric patients who run an Argentine radio station called Radio Loony.

The Spanish-French singer recorded the album in Jose Borda, a psychiatric hospital in Buenos Aires which is home to Radio La Colifata, a name derived from slang for lunatic.

The album, Viva La Colifata!, features 20 songs about life, love, loneliness, death, sunshine, mothers and the end of the world. It mixes some old Chao tunes with mostly new material from the singer and patients, including poetry and improvisations. The idea, according to the publicity blurb, is to "laugh, cry and meditate about life".

The album is available for free download at VivaLaColifata.org, a website launched by Chao and the radio station, but people are asked to make a donation to help the hospital's pioneering approach to treating mental illness.

Website: www.pamshouse.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
Message board: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Carersforumuk/

There are four kinds of people in this world... past carers - carers - future carers ....and those who will need to be cared for

#7380

From: "Pamela Pinder" <pamshouse@...>
Date: Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:13 pm
Subject: Fw: Launch of SRNs new website

sasone2one

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Can't read this email?

Update: August 2009
www.scottishrecovery.net

> Please forward this e-mail to anyone you think may be interested in SRN Forward this email

August update from SRN

In this update you will find information about:

SRNs redeveloped website.

A new report from SRN entitled Carers and Supporting Recovery.

Upcoming SRN events.

Administrative Assistant vacancy at SRN.

Information about recovery related news and events from across Scotland.

Launch of SRNs new website
We are delighted to officially announce the re-launch the SRN website. We have worked to ensure it is now easier to access information, stories and resources found on the site.

We would welcome any intitial comments or thoughts.

To view the new site visit www.scottishrecovery.net

Carers and supporting recovery report
This unique report, commissioned by the Scottish Recovery Network, is the result of a long-standing project to investigate carers' perspectives on recovery and their experiences of supporting recovery.

Key themes from this report include:

Carers can play an important part in supporting recovery.
Formal services could benefit from working with carers to establish better informed recovery focused relationships with service users.
Carers can face certain challenges when supporting recovery, such as managing risk, letting go and their own recovery.

More information about this report and how to access it is available on our website.

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#7379

From: mac pic <macpic91@...>
Date: Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:47 pm
Subject: Re: Give your views on Social Care

macpic91

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"until the party returns to its founding principles"

that would be Socialism?

and it will happen around about the next ice age...

Until then they like driving around in their rollers and jags with "Vote Labour" stickers...

2009/8/27 MICHAEL FUREY <thefurey@...>

�

I just don't believe this about people being 'supported' to take out insurance. Why should profit-making insurance companies be involved in any case? They are in business to make profit for their shareholders, in fact they have a legal duty to do that. There is no guarantee that they will continue to pay out if an illness becomes more acute. There will be limits on what they will pay for and limits on what they will pay out in any period. They will probably set an excess figure that the claimant will have to provide before any payment is made.

�

All this is just another New Labour idea for sucking up to big business in the hope that there will be highly paid 'consulatancies' for them when they're out of office. They reneged on their manifesto for the 1997 election because they wanted to outdo the Tories in cutting costs.

�

Like a lot of people, I had great hopes in 1997. Those hopes have been dashed so many times since then that I despair for the future of this country under two so-similar parties. The Liberals don't count, so we can ignore them as most voters do. There is no fear of me voting Tory; they're blood enemies to me. But I haven't voted for Labour since�1997, and will not until the party returns to its founding principles. And that's not looking back to 1907; principles need not change though the way they're implemented may do.

Damn them for what they're doing to the people of this country. Damn them for what they're bent on taking away from my kids, grandkids and great-grandkids. I have to be realistic and accept that my time is coming to a close. I�lived poor as a kid, and we weren't 'poor but we were happy'. We were poor and I was damned unhappy about it.�Between New Labour and the Tories, I fear those days will return while their paymasters grow fat on unearned income.

�

Some people of my generation keep harking back to the 'good old days'; I fear that they might well turn out to be just that.

�

Mick Furey

--- On Thu, 27/8/09, Pamela Pinder <pamshouse@...> wrote:

From: Pamela Pinder <pamshouse@...>
Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Give your views on Social Care
To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 6:19 PM

�

� Insurance � individuals would be supported to take out private or state insurance which would provide free care. We are concerned that this approach would rely on people being able to afford to pay for insurance, which is often difficult for people for people with mental illness to access anyway.

�

What do we already pay National insurance for?

�

If people pay into a private insurance to pay for care, what reassurances would people have this would happen? Just take those people who have paid insurances on their mortgage payments if they lose their jobs or become disabled through ill health...they haven't paid up.

�

Pam

�

Website: www.pamshouse. pwp.blueyonder. co.uk
Message board: http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ Carersforumuk/

�

There are four kinds of people in this world... past carers - carers - future carers ....and those who will need to be cared for

----- Original Message -----

From: mac pic

To: carersforumuk

Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:41 AM

Subject: [Carersforumuk] Give your views on Social Care

�

http://www.rethink. org/how_we_ can_help/ campaigning_ for_change/ opening_doors/ social_care_ consulta. html?shortcut= socialcare

What's happening to Disability Benefits?

The Green Paper asks whether it would be a good idea to use the money currently spent on 'disability benefits' , to go towards paying for the National Care Service. This would mean that Attendance Allowance and possible Disability Living Allowance would be discontinued.

The new system should mean that people will be better able to access support, and to have more control and choice over how to spend their Individual Budget. So, in theory at least, integrating this funding may be logical. However�- we are worried that this might not be in practice - we already know that Local Authorities still fail to�support people with mental health problems to use 'direct payments', which is method by which Individual Budgets will be allocated.

denotes a required field

What can you do about this?

We need to hear from you about how these various proposals will affect you. We need examples and evidence to build an argument against�abolishing DLA and AA.�

what to you currently spend DLA or AA on and how does help your mental health?
what would it mean for you if you did not have DLA or AA?
what is your current experience�of being assessed by social services - do they understand your needs?

Please let us know what you think by filling in the box below.
You can read the full Green Paper and respond directly to the Department of Health consultation by the 13th November 2009

#7378

From: MICHAEL FUREY <thefurey@...>
Date: Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:29 pm
Subject: Re: Give your views on Social Care

michael139371

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I just don't believe this about people being 'supported' to take out insurance. Why should profit-making insurance companies be involved in any case? They are in business to make profit for their shareholders, in fact they have a legal duty to do that. There is no guarantee that they will continue to pay out if an illness becomes more acute. There will be limits on what they will pay for and limits on what they will pay out in any period. They will probably set an excess figure that the claimant will have to provide before any payment is made.

All this is just another New Labour idea for sucking up to big business in the hope that there will be highly paid 'consulatancies' for them when they're out of office. They reneged on their manifesto for the 1997 election because they wanted to outdo the Tories in cutting costs.

Like a lot of people, I had great hopes in 1997. Those hopes have been dashed so many times since then that I despair for the future of this country under two so-similar parties. The Liberals don't count, so we can ignore them as most voters do. There is no fear of me voting Tory; they're blood enemies to me. But I haven't voted for Labour since 1997, and will not until the party returns to its founding principles. And that's not looking back to 1907; principles need not change though the way they're implemented may do.

Damn them for what they're doing to the people of this country. Damn them for what they're bent on taking away from my kids, grandkids and great-grandkids. I have to be realistic and accept that my time is coming to a close. I lived poor as a kid, and we weren't 'poor but we were happy'. We were poor and I was damned unhappy about it. Between New Labour and the Tories, I fear those days will return while their paymasters grow fat on unearned income.

Some people of my generation keep harking back to the 'good old days'; I fear that they might well turn out to be just that.

Mick Furey

--- On Thu, 27/8/09, Pamela Pinder <pamshouse@...> wrote:

From: Pamela Pinder <pamshouse@...>
Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Give your views on Social Care
To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 6:19 PM

Insurance – individuals would be supported to take out private or state insurance which would provide free care. We are concerned that this approach would rely on people being able to afford to pay for insurance, which is often difficult for people for people with mental illness to access anyway.

What do we already pay National insurance for?

If people pay into a private insurance to pay for care, what reassurances would people have this would happen? Just take those people who have paid insurances on their mortgage payments if they lose their jobs or become disabled through ill health...they haven't paid up.

Pam

Website: www.pamshouse. pwp.blueyonder. co.uk
Message board: http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ Carersforumuk/

There are four kinds of people in this world... past carers - carers - future carers ....and those who will need to be cared for

----- Original Message -----

From: mac pic

To: carersforumuk

Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:41 AM

Subject: [Carersforumuk] Give your views on Social Care

http://www.rethink. org/how_we_ can_help/ campaigning_ for_change/ opening_doors/ social_care_ consulta. html?shortcut= socialcare

What's happening to Disability Benefits?

The Green Paper asks whether it would be a good idea to use the money currently spent on 'disability benefits' , to go towards paying for the National Care Service. This would mean that Attendance Allowance and possible Disability Living Allowance would be discontinued.

The new system should mean that people will be better able to access support, and to have more control and choice over how to spend their Individual Budget. So, in theory at least, integrating this funding may be logical. However - we are worried that this might not be in practice - we already know that Local Authorities still fail to support people with mental health problems to use 'direct payments', which is method by which Individual Budgets will be allocated.

denotes a required field

What can you do about this?

We need to hear from you about how these various proposals will affect you. We need examples and evidence to build an argument against abolishing DLA and AA.

what to you currently spend DLA or AA on and how does help your mental health?
what would it mean for you if you did not have DLA or AA?
what is your current experience of being assessed by social services - do they understand your needs?

Please let us know what you think by filling in the box below.
You can read the full Green Paper and respond directly to the Department of Health consultation by the 13th November 2009

#7377

From: mac pic <macpic91@...>
Date: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:47 pm
Subject: Re: Give your views on Social Care

macpic91

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Seems like the opposite of what Obama is suggesting in the US after years of private insurance leaves millions of less well of americans without cover,� especially in their old age.

2009/8/27 Pamela Pinder <pamshouse@...>

�

�
Insurance � individuals would be supported to take out private or state insurance which would provide free care. We are concerned that this approach would rely on people being able to afford to pay for insurance, which is often difficult for people for people with mental illness to access anyway.

�

What do we already pay National insurance for?

�

If people pay into a private insurance to pay for care, what reassurances would people have this would happen? Just take those people who have paid insurances on their mortgage payments if they lose their jobs or become disabled through ill health...they haven't paid up.

�

Pam

�

Website: www.pamshouse.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
Message board: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Carersforumuk/

�

There are four kinds of people in this world... past carers - carers - future carers ....and those who will need to be cared for

----- Original Message -----

From: mac pic

To: carersforumuk

Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:41 AM

Subject: [Carersforumuk] Give your views on Social Care

�

http://www.rethink.org/how_we_can_help/campaigning_for_change/opening_doors/social_care_consulta.html?shortcut=socialcare

What's happening to Disability Benefits?

The Green Paper asks whether it would be a good idea to use the money currently spent on 'disability benefits' , to go towards paying for the National Care Service. This would mean that Attendance Allowance and possible Disability Living Allowance would be discontinued.

The new system should mean that people will be better able to access support, and to have more control and choice over how to spend their Individual Budget. So, in theory at least, integrating this funding may be logical. However�- we are worried that this might not be in practice - we already know that Local Authorities still fail to�support people with mental health problems to use 'direct payments', which is method by which Individual Budgets will be allocated.

denotes a required field

What can you do about this?

We need to hear from you about how these various proposals will affect you. We need examples and evidence to build an argument against�abolishing DLA and AA.�

what to you currently spend DLA or AA on and how does help your mental health?
what would it mean for you if you did not have DLA or AA?
what is your current experience�of being assessed by social services - do they understand your needs?

Please let us know what you think by filling in the box below.
You can read the full Green Paper and respond directly to the Department of Health consultation by the 13th November 2009

#7376

From: "Pamela Pinder" <pamshouse@...>
Date: Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:19 pm
Subject: Re: Give your views on Social Care

sasone2one

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Insurance � individuals would be supported to take out private or state insurance which would provide free care. We are concerned that this approach would rely on people being able to afford to pay for insurance, which is often difficult for people for people with mental illness to access anyway.

What do we already pay National insurance for?

If people pay into a private insurance to pay for care, what reassurances would people have this would happen? Just take those people who have paid insurances on their mortgage payments if they lose their jobs or become disabled through ill health...they haven't paid up.

Pam

Website: www.pamshouse.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
Message board: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Carersforumuk/

There are four kinds of people in this world... past carers - carers - future carers ....and those who will need to be cared for

----- Original Message -----

From: mac pic

To: carersforumuk

Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:41 AM

Subject: [Carersforumuk] Give your views on Social Care

http://www.rethink.org/how_we_can_help/campaigning_for_change/opening_doors/social_care_consulta.html?shortcut=socialcare

What's happening to Disability Benefits?

The Green Paper asks whether it would be a good idea to use the money currently spent on 'disability benefits' , to go towards paying for the National Care Service. This would mean that Attendance Allowance and possible Disability Living Allowance would be discontinued.

The new system should mean that people will be better able to access support, and to have more control and choice over how to spend their Individual Budget. So, in theory at least, integrating this funding may be logical. However - we are worried that this might not be in practice - we already know that Local Authorities still fail to support people with mental health problems to use 'direct payments', which is method by which Individual Budgets will be allocated.

denotes a required field

What can you do about this?

We need to hear from you about how these various proposals will affect you. We need examples and evidence to build an argument against abolishing DLA and AA.

what to you currently spend DLA or AA on and how does help your mental health?
what would it mean for you if you did not have DLA or AA?
what is your current experience of being assessed by social services - do they understand your needs?

Please let us know what you think by filling in the box below.
You can read the full Green Paper and respond directly to the Department of Health consultation by the 13th November 2009

#7375

From: "Pamela Pinder" <pamshouse@...>
Date: Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:10 pm
Subject: David Cameron urged to clarify mental health plans

sasone2one

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David Cameron urged to clarify mental health plans

27 August 2009 | By Charlotte Santry

Conservative leader David Cameron is being urged to set out his position on mental health services, following its omission from a wide-ranging speech on NHS reform last week.

Charity Rethink has written to Mr Cameron expressing disappointment that his speech covered 16 issues, including infectious diseases and accident and emergency services, but failed to mention mental health.

This is despite it being the biggest single spending area in the NHS, taking up nearly a third of GPs� time. The letter says: �We were disappointed that in a speech discussing the future of the NHS and how to deliver a standard of quality healthcare that matches patient expectations, mental healthcare was not mentioned once.�

All available evidence suggests the current economic downturn will increase demand on mental health services, the letter says.

One mental health trust chief executive told HSJ he was �greatly worried� that the Conservatives had so far said little about mental health, given their likelihood of winning next year�s general election.

Added to financial uncertainties, trusts felt they were �planning in the dark�, he said.

�We don�t want to be misleading clinicians by saying we�re going to develop services and then have to backtrack,� the chief executive said.

A Conservative Party spokeswoman said Mr Cameron was away due to the parliamentary recess but would respond to the Rethink letter in due course.

Mental Health Network director Steve Shrubb said he had been having �positive discussions� with the Conservatives about a possible TV campaign promoting mental health.

He said: �They have some emerging ideas around public health but at this stage it�s more difficult to get a sense about how they feel about actual services. Clearly I�d have liked them to say more.�

Neither of the two main parties has talked much about mental health, he added.

http://www.hsj.co.uk/5005590.article

Website: www.pamshouse.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
Message board: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Carersforumuk/

There are four kinds of people in this world... past carers - carers - future carers ....and those who will need to be cared for

#7374

From: "Pamela Pinder" <pamshouse@...>
Date: Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:06 pm
Subject: 'Organic' reduction in PCTs under Tories

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