Jen Kilyon <empathywithcarers@...> wrote:

Well said Kevin, I'm backing you all the way. Do you belong to the Kissit campaign?

 

We all need to speak out and campaign against this outrage.

 

Jen

kevin parish <kevin_parish@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hello Lucille
Couple of days ago National Patient Safety Agency issued a huge report about
injuries sustained by patients in acute care. The real story is that nearly
1000 people died or sustained serious injury in hospital. That makes a stay
in hospital more dangerous than bungee jumping, skydiving or riding a big
bike. Does this seem right to you?
My heart goes out to your Dundee family, how dare hospitals treat us like
this! How dare they continue to ignore the evidence, guidance, policies and
basic humanity! I WILL change this foul and demeaning practice if it's the
last thing I do. Kevin

>From: "Lucille Crichton" <lucille@crichtons.me.uk>
>Reply-To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com
>To: <Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Learn something new every day.
>Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 00:58:30 -0000
>
>Hi Kevin, A family in Dundee lost their son to a pin down situation about
>two years ago. There was a closed door enquiry and findings were published
>in the papers. It held the that they did not follow proper procedures. The
>family are suing the hospital and the staff involved. Two years before that
>incident a patient was administered an injection by a physiatrist without
>checking the patients notes and died because the patient was on another
>medication for an illness not unknown to cause a psychosis. It was
>concluded
>that not only physiatrist but the medics were at fault and should have
>monitored the patient closer so they all got off with a slap on the wrist,
>hence the push by the other family to sue the staff as well as the
>hospital....Lucille
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "kevin parish" <kevin_parish@hotmail.com>
>To: <Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 7:19 PM
>Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Learn something new every day.
>
>
> > Hi Pam
> >
> > You might not know that I have campaigned on the C&R issue for years
> > following the horror I witnessed at the Glenbourne.
> >
> > Eight people is easy, One for each limb two to sit on the patient, one
>in
> > the patients face and one to administer unprescribed rapid
>tranquilisation
> > in the bum. It happens on the Glenbourne every day, to people who are
> > ill,
> > people who are supposed to be being carred for.
> >
> > I've done some cross government work on this, contributed to the new
> > guidlines, brought the whole package back to Plymouth and got the
>Clinical
> > Governence Group to investigate and rewrite Trust policy. Two years
>down
> > the line this is still going on, policy is never implemented in
>practice.
> >
> > I even spoke with the then Governor of Parkhurst prison, I quote "If any
> > of
> > my staff did that I'd fire them immediately".
> >
> > I am now working with the BBC on a programme to expose the whole shoddy
> > and
> > disgusting treatment patients, including myself, get handed out.
> >
> > Wow, feel better now I got that lot off my chest :) Kevin
> >
> >
> >>From: "Pamela Pinder" <pamshouse@blueyonder.co.uk>
> >>Reply-To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com
> >>To: <Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Learn something new every day.
> >>Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:57:33 -0000
> >>
> >>News to me too Rob, I wonder if they try talking to people rather than
> >>Physical restraint. I heard Physical restraint needs eight people, can't
> >>quite work out how eight people can hold one person maybe 4 0r 5 but 8?
> >>
> >>Pam
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: aim highpeak
> >> To: Carers Forum
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 12:49 PM
> >> Subject: [Carersforumuk] Learn something new every day.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I wasn't aware that there is a recommended restraint time for
>patients
> >>until I read this article.
> >>
> >> http://news.netdoctor.co.uk/news_detail.php?id=17843623
> >>
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Hello Lucille
Couple of days ago National Patient Safety Agency issued a huge report about
injuries sustained by patients in acute care. The real story is that nearly
1000 people died or sustained serious injury in hospital. That makes a stay
in hospital more dangerous than bungee jumping, skydiving or riding a big
bike. Does this seem right to you?
My heart goes out to your Dundee family, how dare hospitals treat us like
this! How dare they continue to ignore the evidence, guidance, policies and
basic humanity! I WILL change this foul and demeaning practice if it's the
last thing I do. Kevin

>From: "Lucille Crichton" <lucille@crichtons.me.uk>
>Reply-To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com
>To: <Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Learn something new every day.
>Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 00:58:30 -0000
>
>Hi Kevin, A family in Dundee lost their son to a pin down situation about
>two years ago. There was a closed door enquiry and findings were published
>in the papers. It held the that they did not follow proper procedures. The
>family are suing the hospital and the staff involved. Two years before that
>incident a patient was administered an injection by a physiatrist without
>checking the patients notes and died because the patient was on another
>medication for an illness not unknown to cause a psychosis. It was
>concluded
>that not only physiatrist but the medics were at fault and should have
>monitored the patient closer so they all got off with a slap on the wrist,
>hence the push by the other family to sue the staff as well as the
>hospital....Lucille
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "kevin parish" <kevin_parish@hotmail.com>
>To: <Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 7:19 PM
>Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Learn something new every day.
>
>
> > Hi Pam
> >
> > You might not know that I have campaigned on the C&R issue for years
> > following the horror I witnessed at the Glenbourne.
> >
> > Eight people is easy, One for each limb two to sit on the patient, one
>in
> > the patients face and one to administer unprescribed rapid
>tranquilisation
> > in the bum. It happens on the Glenbourne every day, to people who are
> > ill,
> > people who are supposed to be being carred for.
> >
> > I've done some cross government work on this, contributed to the new
> > guidlines, brought the whole package back to Plymouth and got the
>Clinical
> > Governence Group to investigate and rewrite Trust policy. Two years
>down
> > the line this is still going on, policy is never implemented in
>practice.
> >
> > I even spoke with the then Governor of Parkhurst prison, I quote "If any
> > of
> > my staff did that I'd fire them immediately".
> >
> > I am now working with the BBC on a programme to expose the whole shoddy
> > and
> > disgusting treatment patients, including myself, get handed out.
> >
> > Wow, feel better now I got that lot off my chest :) Kevin
> >
> >
> >>From: "Pamela Pinder" <pamshouse@blueyonder.co.uk>
> >>Reply-To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com
> >>To: <Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Learn something new every day.
> >>Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:57:33 -0000
> >>
> >>News to me too Rob, I wonder if they try talking to people rather than
> >>Physical restraint. I heard Physical restraint needs eight people, can't
> >>quite work out how eight people can hold one person maybe 4 0r 5 but 8?
> >>
> >>Pam
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: aim highpeak
> >> To: Carers Forum
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 12:49 PM
> >> Subject: [Carersforumuk] Learn something new every day.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I wasn't aware that there is a recommended restraint time for
>patients
> >>until I read this article.
> >>
> >> http://news.netdoctor.co.uk/news_detail.php?id=17843623
> >>
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Hello Lucille
Couple of days ago National Patient Safety Agency issued a huge report about
injuries sustained by patients in acute care.  The real story is that nearly
1000 people died or sustained serious injury in hospital.  That makes a stay
in hospital more dangerous than bungee jumping, skydiving or riding a big
bike.  Does this seem right to you?
My heart goes out to your Dundee family, how dare hospitals treat us like
this!  How dare they continue to ignore the evidence, guidance, policies and
basic humanity!  I WILL change this foul and demeaning practice if it's the
last thing I do.   Kevin


>From: "Lucille Crichton" <lucille@...>
>Reply-To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com
>To: <Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Learn something new every day.
>Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 00:58:30 -0000
>
>Hi Kevin, A family in Dundee lost their son to a pin down situation about
>two years ago. There was a closed door enquiry and findings were published
>in the papers. It held the that they did not follow proper procedures. The
>family are suing the hospital and the staff involved. Two years before that
>incident a patient was administered an injection by a physiatrist without
>checking the patients notes and died because the patient was on another
>medication for an illness not unknown to cause a psychosis. It was
>concluded
>that not only physiatrist but the medics were at fault and should have
>monitored the patient closer so they all got off with a slap on the wrist,
>hence the push by the other family to sue the staff as well as the
>hospital....Lucille
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "kevin parish" <kevin_parish@...>
>To: <Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 7:19 PM
>Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Learn something new every day.
>
>
> > Hi Pam
> >
> > You might not know that I have campaigned on the C&R issue for years
> > following the horror I witnessed at the Glenbourne.
> >
> > Eight people is easy, One for each limb two to sit on the patient, one
>in
> > the patients face and one to administer unprescribed rapid
>tranquilisation
> > in the bum.  It happens on the Glenbourne every day, to people who are
> > ill,
> > people who are supposed to be being carred for.
> >
> > I've done some cross government work on this, contributed to the new
> > guidlines, brought the whole package back to Plymouth and got the
>Clinical
> > Governence Group to investigate and rewrite Trust policy.  Two years
>down
> > the line this is still going on, policy is never implemented in
>practice.
> >
> > I even spoke with the then Governor of Parkhurst prison, I quote "If any
> > of
> > my staff did that I'd fire them immediately".
> >
> > I am now working with the BBC on a programme to expose the whole shoddy
> > and
> > disgusting treatment patients, including myself, get handed out.
> >
> > Wow, feel better now I got that lot off my chest :)  Kevin
> >
> >
> >>From: "Pamela Pinder" <pamshouse@...>
> >>Reply-To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com
> >>To: <Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Learn something new every day.
> >>Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:57:33 -0000
> >>
> >>News to me too Rob, I wonder if they try talking to people rather than
> >>Physical restraint. I heard Physical restraint needs eight people, can't
> >>quite work out how eight people can hold one person maybe 4 0r 5 but 8?
> >>
> >>Pam
> >>   ----- Original Message -----
> >>   From: aim highpeak
> >>   To: Carers Forum
> >>   Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 12:49 PM
> >>   Subject: [Carersforumuk] Learn something new every day.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   I wasn't aware that there is a recommended restraint time for
>patients
> >>until I read this article.
> >>
> >>   http://news.netdoctor.co.uk/news_detail.php?id=17843623
> >>
> >>
>
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Hi Kevin, A family in Dundee lost their son to a pin down situation about
two years ago. There was a closed door enquiry and findings were published
in the papers. It held the that they did not follow proper procedures. The
family are suing the hospital and the staff involved. Two years before that
incident a patient was administered an injection by a physiatrist without
checking the patients notes and died because the patient was on another
medication for an illness not unknown to cause a psychosis. It was concluded
that not only physiatrist but the medics were at fault and should have
monitored the patient closer so they all got off with a slap on the wrist,
hence the push by the other family to sue the staff as well as the
hospital....Lucille

----- Original Message -----
From: "kevin parish" <kevin_parish@...>
To: <Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Learn something new every day.


> Hi Pam
>
> You might not know that I have campaigned on the C&R issue for years
> following the horror I witnessed at the Glenbourne.
>
> Eight people is easy, One for each limb two to sit on the patient, one in
> the patients face and one to administer unprescribed rapid tranquilisation
> in the bum.  It happens on the Glenbourne every day, to people who are
> ill,
> people who are supposed to be being carred for.
>
> I've done some cross government work on this, contributed to the new
> guidlines, brought the whole package back to Plymouth and got the Clinical
> Governence Group to investigate and rewrite Trust policy.  Two years down
> the line this is still going on, policy is never implemented in practice.
>
> I even spoke with the then Governor of Parkhurst prison, I quote "If any
> of
> my staff did that I'd fire them immediately".
>
> I am now working with the BBC on a programme to expose the whole shoddy
> and
> disgusting treatment patients, including myself, get handed out.
>
> Wow, feel better now I got that lot off my chest :)  Kevin
>
>
>>From: "Pamela Pinder" <pamshouse@...>
>>Reply-To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com
>>To: <Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Learn something new every day.
>>Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:57:33 -0000
>>
>>News to me too Rob, I wonder if they try talking to people rather than
>>Physical restraint. I heard Physical restraint needs eight people, can't
>>quite work out how eight people can hold one person maybe 4 0r 5 but 8?
>>
>>Pam
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: aim highpeak
>>   To: Carers Forum
>>   Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 12:49 PM
>>   Subject: [Carersforumuk] Learn something new every day.
>>
>>
>>
>>   I wasn't aware that there is a recommended restraint time for patients
>>until I read this article.
>>
>>   http://news.netdoctor.co.uk/news_detail.php?id=17843623
>>
>>
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I still have my teeth Pam!


>From: "Pamela Pinder" <pamshouse@...>
>Reply-To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com
>To: <Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Learn something new every day.
>Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:20:36 -0000
>
>Yes Kevin I do remember the story behind this one, and the consequences on
>you a few years back!
>
>Pam
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "kevin parish" <kevin_parish@...>
>To: <Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 7:19 PM
>Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Learn something new every day.
>
>
> > Hi Pam
> >
> > You might not know that I have campaigned on the C&R issue for years
> > following the horror I witnessed at the Glenbourne.
> >
> > Eight people is easy, One for each limb two to sit on the patient, one
>in
> > the patients face and one to administer unprescribed rapid
>tranquilisation
> > in the bum.  It happens on the Glenbourne every day, to people who are
> > ill,
> > people who are supposed to be being carred for.
> >
> > I've done some cross government work on this, contributed to the new
> > guidlines, brought the whole package back to Plymouth and got the
>Clinical
> > Governence Group to investigate and rewrite Trust policy.  Two years
>down
> > the line this is still going on, policy is never implemented in
>practice.
> >
> > I even spoke with the then Governor of Parkhurst prison, I quote "If any
> > of
> > my staff did that I'd fire them immediately".
> >
> > I am now working with the BBC on a programme to expose the whole shoddy
> > and
> > disgusting treatment patients, including myself, get handed out.
> >
> > Wow, feel better now I got that lot off my chest :)  Kevin
> >
> >
> >>From: "Pamela Pinder" <pamshouse@...>
> >>Reply-To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com
> >>To: <Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Learn something new every day.
> >>Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:57:33 -0000
> >>
> >>News to me too Rob, I wonder if they try talking to people rather than
> >>Physical restraint. I heard Physical restraint needs eight people, can't
> >>quite work out how eight people can hold one person maybe 4 0r 5 but 8?
> >>
> >>Pam
> >>   ----- Original Message -----
> >>   From: aim highpeak
> >>   To: Carers Forum
> >>   Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 12:49 PM
> >>   Subject: [Carersforumuk] Learn something new every day.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   I wasn't aware that there is a recommended restraint time for
>patients
> >>until I read this article.
> >>
> >>   http://news.netdoctor.co.uk/news_detail.php?id=17843623
> >>
> >>
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----- Original Message -----

From: aim highpeak

To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 7:01 PM

Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Carersforumuk] article and a response in today's Guardian

Never heard of Matt Muijen, even if he was the highest profile figure in Mental Health just over 2 years ago.

 

Having read the article, I can't really see how comparing Mental Health Services in the UK with the rest of Europe does anything because of the way healthcare is delivered via the NHS in this country.

 

Rob Hanlon.

sasone2one <pamshouse@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

International Society for Affective Disorders

Hugely interesting article and a response in today's Guardian
regarding mental health service provision in the UK

Article
http://society.guardian.co.uk/interview/story/0,,1930429,00.html

Response
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/alison_benjamin/2006/10/alison_benj
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you a few years back!

Pam

----- Original Message -----
From: "kevin parish" <kevin_parish@...>
To: <Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Learn something new every day.


> Hi Pam
>
> You might not know that I have campaigned on the C&R issue for years
> following the horror I witnessed at the Glenbourne.
>
> Eight people is easy, One for each limb two to sit on the patient, one in
> the patients face and one to administer unprescribed rapid tranquilisation
> in the bum.  It happens on the Glenbourne every day, to people who are
> ill,
> people who are supposed to be being carred for.
>
> I've done some cross government work on this, contributed to the new
> guidlines, brought the whole package back to Plymouth and got the Clinical
> Governence Group to investigate and rewrite Trust policy.  Two years down
> the line this is still going on, policy is never implemented in practice.
>
> I even spoke with the then Governor of Parkhurst prison, I quote "If any
> of
> my staff did that I'd fire them immediately".
>
> I am now working with the BBC on a programme to expose the whole shoddy
> and
> disgusting treatment patients, including myself, get handed out.
>
> Wow, feel better now I got that lot off my chest :)  Kevin
>
>
>>From: "Pamela Pinder" <pamshouse@...>
>>Reply-To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com
>>To: <Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Learn something new every day.
>>Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:57:33 -0000
>>
>>News to me too Rob, I wonder if they try talking to people rather than
>>Physical restraint. I heard Physical restraint needs eight people, can't
>>quite work out how eight people can hold one person maybe 4 0r 5 but 8?
>>
>>Pam
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: aim highpeak
>>   To: Carers Forum
>>   Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 12:49 PM
>>   Subject: [Carersforumuk] Learn something new every day.
>>
>>
>>
>>   I wasn't aware that there is a recommended restraint time for patients
>>until I read this article.
>>
>>   http://news.netdoctor.co.uk/news_detail.php?id=17843623
>>
>>
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From: aim highpeak

To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 6:49 PM

Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Learn something new every day.

Can't find any mention of how many people should be required for Physical Restraint but I did find this link from 2005.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4288193.stm

 

RRH

 

Pamela Pinder <pamshouse@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

News to me too Rob, I wonder if they try talking to people rather than Physical restraint. I heard Physical restraint needs eight people, can't quite work out how eight people can hold one person maybe 4 0r 5 but 8?

 

Pam

----- Original Message -----

From: aim highpeak

To: Carers Forum

Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 12:49 PM

Subject: [Carersforumuk] Learn something new every day.

I wasn't aware that there is a recommended restraint time for patients until I read this article.

 

http://news.netdoctor.co.uk/news_detail.php?id=17843623

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You might not know that I have campaigned on the C&R issue for years
following the horror I witnessed at the Glenbourne.

Eight people is easy, One for each limb two to sit on the patient, one in
the patients face and one to administer unprescribed rapid tranquilisation
in the bum.  It happens on the Glenbourne every day, to people who are ill,
people who are supposed to be being carred for.

I've done some cross government work on this, contributed to the new
guidlines, brought the whole package back to Plymouth and got the Clinical
Governence Group to investigate and rewrite Trust policy.  Two years down
the line this is still going on, policy is never implemented in practice.

I even spoke with the then Governor of Parkhurst prison, I quote "If any of
my staff did that I'd fire them immediately".

I am now working with the BBC on a programme to expose the whole shoddy and
disgusting treatment patients, including myself, get handed out.

Wow, feel better now I got that lot off my chest :)  Kevin


>From: "Pamela Pinder" <pamshouse@...>
>Reply-To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com
>To: <Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Learn something new every day.
>Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:57:33 -0000
>
>News to me too Rob, I wonder if they try talking to people rather than
>Physical restraint. I heard Physical restraint needs eight people, can't
>quite work out how eight people can hold one person maybe 4 0r 5 but 8?
>
>Pam
>   ----- Original Message -----
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>   To: Carers Forum
>   Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 12:49 PM
>   Subject: [Carersforumuk] Learn something new every day.
>
>
>
>   I wasn't aware that there is a recommended restraint time for patients
>until I read this article.
>
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International Society for Affective Disorders

Hugely interesting article and a response in today's Guardian
regarding mental health service provision in the UK

Article
http://society.guardian.co.uk/interview/story/0,,1930429,00.html

Response
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/alison_benjamin/2006/10/alison_benj
amin.html

Never heard of Matt Muijen, even if he was the highest profile figure in Mental Health just over 2 years ago.

International Society for Affective Disorders

Hugely interesting article and a response in today's Guardian
regarding mental health service provision in the UK

Article
http://society.guardian.co.uk/interview/story/0,,1930429,00.html

Response
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/alison_benjamin/2006/10/alison_benj
amin.html

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News to me too Rob, I wonder if they try talking to people rather than Physical restraint. I heard Physical restraint needs eight people, can't quite work out how eight people can hold one person maybe 4 0r 5 but 8?

 

Pam

----- Original Message -----

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To: Carers Forum

Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 12:49 PM

Subject: [Carersforumuk] Learn something new every day.

I wasn't aware that there is a recommended restraint time for patients until I read this article.

 

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Subject: [Carersforumuk] Learn something new every day.

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Article
http://society.guardian.co.uk/interview/story/0,,1930429,00.html


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----- Original Message -----

From: Lucille Crichton

To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 8:47 PM

Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Where is everyone ?

We have just had more bad news tonight, one of my husbands auntie has just died tonight and the bearer (my husbands cousin, and-another nephew of the aunt) of the bad news has told us he has stomach cancer and he has had most of his stomach removed and is going into hospital for another operation in a few weeks. As you say bad news usually comes in 3's but it seems to be that fate is delivering in abundance's. Just 2 years ago my husband lost an uncle then weeks later (from the same family) his uncles grandson is killed in a horrific car accident coming home from active service 2 years next month for Christmas.

 

Putting aside the bad news, I have looked at the web site, it is fairly coming along with lots of information too. I really think you are onto a winner here. I see it like a sort of internet magazine with news and interesting stories. I think it would be good to add a short story and funny story section, funny pic's, etc; not necessarily about mental health. Also I wonder if it could possibly get funding through advertising) for a yearly magazine at say at a cost of £3-4 incl; p&p with the best of what comes into the web site to be pre ordered. Of course this just me running things off the top of my head to give you some idea's, I know it's early day's...Lucille

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Pamela Pinder

To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 6:18 PM

Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Where is everyone ?

Hi Lucille

I think there is something in the saying things come in 3s  probably more. It seems like fate when one thing goes wrong something else comes along to knock you back even further.

 

What with the problems you have been experiencing with your son and now this. It's a wonder how we hold it together sometimes. Your family come first, so it is understandable we have not heard from you.

 

I have been a bit quiet myself, apart from working a bit on the website I did a bit of blitzing at my house last week. Turning out cupboards and getting rid of stuff I no longer need. Done a few trips to the charity shop, I tried to give clothes etc to two homeless projects. People with alcohol/drug and MH problems who are homeless, I was a bit surprised and disappointed to find they didn't have the facilities to store excess clothing. So I took it to the Red Cross instead.

 

Also found out something new this week, my son loves going to watch Plymouth Argyle (Loves football period) but it is quite expensive at £22 a time. He will never go there on his own only if someone is with him. My brother usually goes, but can't afford to go every week because of the cost. 

 

We have just discovered if some one with a disability is on the high rate care with DLA, they can get a disability pass and pay fourteen pounds and the carer or person who accompanies them go free

This will work out a lot cheaper and they may be able to afford to go more often as my son will not go many places for social activities

Pam

----- Original Message -----

From: Lucille Crichton

To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:56 PM

Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Where is everyone ?

Hi, I've been waiting on news from my sister-in-law about her husbands cousin...still waiting, but I'm sure they will do. A former fishing boat with a crew of four, went out to check on pipelines in the north sea from Anstruther Fife in a gale force ten (they were hired for this job). Many do this sort of thing now as a back up money spinner, while others do day trips to the Isle of May (a sea bird sanctuary) They have been doing this sort of thing to hold onto their boats. It went down and only one body has been recovered of Norway, it maybe is my brother-in-law's cousin.

 

As we come from the East of Fife originally and we all have had many links to the sea faring communities, it is felt further as many families know in the North East of the distress it causes. We are very concerned about our brother-in-law as we are all close, as is his family. Sorry I have not been in touch. I'm needing to get my head together. I may come on later.....Lucille (PS. It seems this part of Fife has been in the News for all the wrong things. Cellardyke, the village next door was Britain's first bird flu, it is where his cousin lives/lived)

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Pamela Pinder

To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 8:52 PM

Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Where is everyone ?

Hi Rob

 

I have been busy adding info to my new website, I haven't quite finished all of it but intend putting the links for the pages in a separate email.

 

Lucille's story took the longest which was originally in a pdf document. There is a way of pasting into word from pdf but it doesn't come out the same as it does from a word document.

 

It came out into a narrow column yards long, so went through it all and put it back together. It took absolutely ages. the story is now on the site. Will post links in separate email

 

Sounds like you have been having fun, buying off the bid TV programme...I hope you got some bargains there!

 

I went out to the social club last night, we haven't been out for a while, got some dancing in which is as good as exercise.  Had a few aches when I woke this morning so my "exercise" had some effect.! Just glad of the extra hour we gained when the clocks went back, gave me the chance of a lay in.

 

Pam

 

----- Original Message -----

From: aim highpeak

To: Carers Forum

Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 6:40 PM

Subject: [Carersforumuk] Where is everyone ?

Hello,

 

OK, my excuse is that I have discovered Bid TV and have purchased a Juicer and a mobile phone in the last few days from this seemingly addictive form of television

It's addictive to me as it is much better than the other channels and more entertaining as some products go really quickly whilst others struggle (regardless of how low the price is) and this makes it hard for the presenter to carry on with the sales pitch.

 

I'm just glad I don't have this channel at home or nothing would get done.

 

RRH

  29th January 2006 - Year of the Dog       

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----- Original Message -----

From: Pamela Pinder

To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 6:18 PM

Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Where is everyone ?

Hi Lucille

I think there is something in the saying things come in 3s  probably more. It seems like fate when one thing goes wrong something else comes along to knock you back even further.

 

What with the problems you have been experiencing with your son and now this. It's a wonder how we hold it together sometimes. Your family come first, so it is understandable we have not heard from you.

 

I have been a bit quiet myself, apart from working a bit on the website I did a bit of blitzing at my house last week. Turning out cupboards and getting rid of stuff I no longer need. Done a few trips to the charity shop, I tried to give clothes etc to two homeless projects. People with alcohol/drug and MH problems who are homeless, I was a bit surprised and disappointed to find they didn't have the facilities to store excess clothing. So I took it to the Red Cross instead.

 

Also found out something new this week, my son loves going to watch Plymouth Argyle (Loves football period) but it is quite expensive at £22 a time. He will never go there on his own only if someone is with him. My brother usually goes, but can't afford to go every week because of the cost. 

 

We have just discovered if some one with a disability is on the high rate care with DLA, they can get a disability pass and pay fourteen pounds and the carer or person who accompanies them go free

This will work out a lot cheaper and they may be able to afford to go more often as my son will not go many places for social activities

Pam

----- Original Message -----

From: Lucille Crichton

To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:56 PM

Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Where is everyone ?

Hi, I've been waiting on news from my sister-in-law about her husbands cousin...still waiting, but I'm sure they will do. A former fishing boat with a crew of four, went out to check on pipelines in the north sea from Anstruther Fife in a gale force ten (they were hired for this job). Many do this sort of thing now as a back up money spinner, while others do day trips to the Isle of May (a sea bird sanctuary) They have been doing this sort of thing to hold onto their boats. It went down and only one body has been recovered of Norway, it maybe is my brother-in-law's cousin.

 

As we come from the East of Fife originally and we all have had many links to the sea faring communities, it is felt further as many families know in the North East of the distress it causes. We are very concerned about our brother-in-law as we are all close, as is his family. Sorry I have not been in touch. I'm needing to get my head together. I may come on later.....Lucille (PS. It seems this part of Fife has been in the News for all the wrong things. Cellardyke, the village next door was Britain's first bird flu, it is where his cousin lives/lived)

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Pamela Pinder

To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 8:52 PM

Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Where is everyone ?

Hi Rob

 

I have been busy adding info to my new website, I haven't quite finished all of it but intend putting the links for the pages in a separate email.

 

Lucille's story took the longest which was originally in a pdf document. There is a way of pasting into word from pdf but it doesn't come out the same as it does from a word document.

 

It came out into a narrow column yards long, so went through it all and put it back together. It took absolutely ages. the story is now on the site. Will post links in separate email

 

Sounds like you have been having fun, buying off the bid TV programme...I hope you got some bargains there!

 

I went out to the social club last night, we haven't been out for a while, got some dancing in which is as good as exercise.  Had a few aches when I woke this morning so my "exercise" had some effect.! Just glad of the extra hour we gained when the clocks went back, gave me the chance of a lay in.

 

Pam

 

----- Original Message -----

From: aim highpeak

To: Carers Forum

Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 6:40 PM

Subject: [Carersforumuk] Where is everyone ?

Hello,

 

OK, my excuse is that I have discovered Bid TV and have purchased a Juicer and a mobile phone in the last few days from this seemingly addictive form of television

It's addictive to me as it is much better than the other channels and more entertaining as some products go really quickly whilst others struggle (regardless of how low the price is) and this makes it hard for the presenter to carry on with the sales pitch.

 

I'm just glad I don't have this channel at home or nothing would get done.

 

RRH

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Plymouth are doing quite well if they are in the Championship - the
old 2cd Division (The Premier League replaced the old 1st Division).
I was at Sheffield United's ground - Bramall Lane - a few week's ago
for a meeting and was amazed at the facilities they had until someone
told me they were in the Premier League and would be entertaining the
likes of Chelsea very soon, which turned out to be Saturday gone and
I caught some of the match whilst having a pub lunch.

Yes, whether at Jane's house or my place, there is always a stack of
tea-lights handy. I burn tealights most of the time whilst Jane is a
Reiki Practitioner and uses them there.

Could be the weather affecting your SKY TV, Jane has NTL which is
cable whilst I am still on terrestrial TV and we don't get Ch5 yet !!
Will have to get round to getting a SKY digi-box between now and 2009
or I won't be watching anything at all.

RRH.


--- In Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com, "Pamela Pinder" <pamshouse@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Rob
>
> I have heard about the council tax, you can claim if you are on DLA
I am not sure if you also need to be on income support as well. But
it's worth looking into.
>
> My son tells me that Plymouth are in the championship league what
ever that is, I thought the leagues went by numbers. Unless this has
changed, last I heard they were at the top of division 2. £22 pounds
is steep for watching a game of football, but I am not into football
so I wouldn't pay it anyway.
>
> I hope you had some candles at the ready when the power went off.
We have been having problems with our sky TV for over two weeks,
first they said it was the thunderstorms and now they say it's the
trees in the garden, so they moved the satellite. It's working at the
moment, the trees have been there for years so can't see why they
would suddenly affect the TV. I guess this is also down to modern
technology.
>
> Pam
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: aim highpeak
>   To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 6:56 PM
>   Subject: [Carersforumuk] Where is everyone ?
>
>
>
>   "We have just discovered if some one with a disability is on the
high rate care with DLA, they can get a disability pass and pay
fourteen pounds and the carer or person who accompanies them go free"
>
>   Hello Pam,
>   It is surprising what DLA brings, a lady told me the other week
that she got a Council Tax reduction by being on DLA. Not sure if
this is the case everywhere, but if it can be claimed then claim it
as it is your's by right. Though I think £22 to watch Plymouth is a
bit steep - are they in the Football League ?
>
>   There has been a wee power failure this afternoon, just as it was
going dark - a reminder of how we take things for granted in this
modern life.
>
>   RRH.
>
>
>
>
>   Pamela Pinder <pamshouse@...> wrote:
>     Hi Lucille
>     I think there is something in the saying things come in 3s
probably more. It seems like fate when one thing goes wrong something
else comes along to knock you back even further.
>
>     What with the problems you have been experiencing with your son
and now this. It's a wonder how we hold it together sometimes. Your
family come first, so it is understandable we have not heard from you.
>
>     I have been a bit quiet myself, apart from working a bit on the
website I did a bit of blitzing at my house last week. Turning out
cupboards and getting rid of stuff I no longer need. Done a few trips
to the charity shop, I tried to give clothes etc to two homeless
projects. People with alcohol/drug and MH problems who are homeless,
I was a bit surprised and disappointed to find they didn't have the
facilities to store excess clothing. So I took it to the Red Cross
instead.
>
>     Also found out something new this week, my son loves going to
watch Plymouth Argyle (Loves football period) but it is quite
expensive at £22 a time. He will never go there on his own only if
someone is with him. My brother usually goes, but can't afford to go
every week because of the cost.
>
>     We have just discovered if some one with a disability is on the
high rate care with DLA, they can get a disability pass and pay
fourteen pounds and the carer or person who accompanies them go free
>
>     This will work out a lot cheaper and they may be able to afford
to go more often as my son will not go many places for social
activities
>
>     Pam
>       ----- Original Message -----
>       From: Lucille Crichton
>       To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com
>       Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:56 PM
>       Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Where is everyone ?
>
>
>       Hi, I've been waiting on news from my sister-in-law about her
husbands cousin...still waiting, but I'm sure they will do. A former
fishing boat with a crew of four, went out to check on pipelines in
the north sea from Anstruther Fife in a gale force ten (they were
hired for this job). Many do this sort of thing now as a back up
money spinner, while others do day trips to the Isle of May (a sea
bird sanctuary) They have been doing this sort of thing to hold onto
their boats. It went down and only one body has been recovered of
Norway, it maybe is my brother-in-law's cousin.
>
>       As we come from the East of Fife originally and we all have
had many links to the sea faring communities, it is felt further as
many families know in the North East of the distress it causes. We
are very concerned about our brother-in-law as we are all close, as
is his family. Sorry I have not been in touch. I'm needing to get my
head together. I may come on later.....Lucille (PS. It seems this
part of Fife has been in the News for all the wrong things.
Cellardyke, the village next door was Britain's first bird flu, it is
where his cousin lives/lived)
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         From: Pamela Pinder
>         To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com
>         Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 8:52 PM
>         Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Where is everyone ?
>
>
>         Hi Rob
>
>         I have been busy adding info to my new website, I haven't
quite finished all of it but intend putting the links for the pages
in a separate email.
>
>         Lucille's story took the longest which was originally in a
pdf document. There is a way of pasting into word from pdf but it
doesn't come out the same as it does from a word document.
>
>         It came out into a narrow column yards long, so went
through it all and put it back together. It took absolutely ages. the
story is now on the site. Will post links in separate email
>
>         Sounds like you have been having fun, buying off the bid TV
programme...I hope you got some bargains there!
>
>         I went out to the social club last night, we haven't been
out for a while, got some dancing in which is as good as exercise.
Had a few aches when I woke this morning so my "exercise" had some
effect.! Just glad of the extra hour we gained when the clocks went
back, gave me the chance of a lay in.
>
>         Pam
>
>           ----- Original Message -----
>           From: aim highpeak
>           To: Carers Forum
>           Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 6:40 PM
>           Subject: [Carersforumuk] Where is everyone ?
>
>
>           Hello,
>
>           OK, my excuse is that I have discovered Bid TV and have
purchased a Juicer and a mobile phone in the last few days from this
seemingly addictive form of television
>           It's addictive to me as it is much better than the other
channels and more entertaining as some products go really quickly
whilst others struggle (regardless of how low the price is) and this
makes it hard for the presenter to carry on with the sales pitch.
>
>           I'm just glad I don't have this channel at home or
nothing would get done.
>
>           RRH
>
>
>
>             29th January 2006 - Year of the Dog
>            http://www.freewebs.com/aimhighpeakgroup
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: Pamela Pinder

To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 7:55 PM

Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Counter for your website.

Hi Rob

 

Yes I have got a counter on the home page. I started it off at 125 it is now 187 so have had over 60 hits in a few weeks. The link to the new site is on my original site. thanks for the stat counter link though.

 

Pam

 

----- Original Message -----

From: aim highpeak

To: Carers Forum

Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 7:02 PM

Subject: [Carersforumuk] Counter for your website.

Have you got webcounters installed on your new site Pam ?

Here is a link to one of the better ones, and quite easy to install too - and is compatible with Freewebs sites.

 

http://www.statcounter.com/

 

RRH

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Hi Rob

 

Yes I have got a counter on the home page. I started it off at 125 it is now 187 so have had over 60 hits in a few weeks. The link to the new site is on my original site. thanks for the stat counter link though.

 

Pam

 

----- Original Message -----

From: aim highpeak

To: Carers Forum

Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 7:02 PM

Subject: [Carersforumuk] Counter for your website.

Have you got webcounters installed on your new site Pam ?

Here is a link to one of the better ones, and quite easy to install too - and is compatible with Freewebs sites.

 

http://www.statcounter.com/

 

RRH

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----- Original Message -----

From: aim highpeak

To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 6:56 PM

Subject: [Carersforumuk] Where is everyone ?

"We have just discovered if some one with a disability is on the high rate care with DLA, they can get a disability pass and pay fourteen pounds and the carer or person who accompanies them go free"

 

Hello Pam,

It is surprising what DLA brings, a lady told me the other week that she got a Council Tax reduction by being on DLA. Not sure if this is the case everywhere, but if it can be claimed then claim it as it is your's by right. Though I think £22 to watch Plymouth is a bit steep - are they in the Football League ?

 

There has been a wee power failure this afternoon, just as it was going dark - a reminder of how we take things for granted in this modern life.

 

RRH.

 

Pamela Pinder <pamshouse@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

Hi Lucille

I think there is something in the saying things come in 3s  probably more. It seems like fate when one thing goes wrong something else comes along to knock you back even further.

 

What with the problems you have been experiencing with your son and now this. It's a wonder how we hold it together sometimes. Your family come first, so it is understandable we have not heard from you.

 

I have been a bit quiet myself, apart from working a bit on the website I did a bit of blitzing at my house last week. Turning out cupboards and getting rid of stuff I no longer need. Done a few trips to the charity shop, I tried to give clothes etc to two homeless projects. People with alcohol/drug and MH problems who are homeless, I was a bit surprised and disappointed to find they didn't have the facilities to store excess clothing. So I took it to the Red Cross instead.

 

Also found out something new this week, my son loves going to watch Plymouth Argyle (Loves football period) but it is quite expensive at £22 a time. He will never go there on his own only if someone is with him. My brother usually goes, but can't afford to go every week because of the cost. 

 

We have just discovered if some one with a disability is on the high rate care with DLA, they can get a disability pass and pay fourteen pounds and the carer or person who accompanies them go free

This will work out a lot cheaper and they may be able to afford to go more often as my son will not go many places for social activities

Pam

----- Original Message -----

From: Lucille Crichton

To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:56 PM

Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Where is everyone ?

Hi, I've been waiting on news from my sister-in-law about her husbands cousin...still waiting, but I'm sure they will do. A former fishing boat with a crew of four, went out to check on pipelines in the north sea from Anstruther Fife in a gale force ten (they were hired for this job). Many do this sort of thing now as a back up money spinner, while others do day trips to the Isle of May (a sea bird sanctuary) They have been doing this sort of thing to hold onto their boats. It went down and only one body has been recovered of Norway, it maybe is my brother-in-law's cousin.

 

As we come from the East of Fife originally and we all have had many links to the sea faring communities, it is felt further as many families know in the North East of the distress it causes. We are very concerned about our brother-in-law as we are all close, as is his family. Sorry I have not been in touch. I'm needing to get my head together. I may come on later.....Lucille (PS. It seems this part of Fife has been in the News for all the wrong things. Cellardyke, the village next door was Britain's first bird flu, it is where his cousin lives/lived)

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Pamela Pinder

To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 8:52 PM

Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Where is everyone ?

Hi Rob

 

I have been busy adding info to my new website, I haven't quite finished all of it but intend putting the links for the pages in a separate email.

 

Lucille's story took the longest which was originally in a pdf document. There is a way of pasting into word from pdf but it doesn't come out the same as it does from a word document.

 

It came out into a narrow column yards long, so went through it all and put it back together. It took absolutely ages. the story is now on the site. Will post links in separate email

 

Sounds like you have been having fun, buying off the bid TV programme...I hope you got some bargains there!

 

I went out to the social club last night, we haven't been out for a while, got some dancing in which is as good as exercise.  Had a few aches when I woke this morning so my "exercise" had some effect.! Just glad of the extra hour we gained when the clocks went back, gave me the chance of a lay in.

 

Pam

 

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From: aim highpeak

To: Carers Forum

Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 6:40 PM

Subject: [Carersforumuk] Where is everyone ?

Hello,

 

OK, my excuse is that I have discovered Bid TV and have purchased a Juicer and a mobile phone in the last few days from this seemingly addictive form of television

It's addictive to me as it is much better than the other channels and more entertaining as some products go really quickly whilst others struggle (regardless of how low the price is) and this makes it hard for the presenter to carry on with the sales pitch.

 

I'm just glad I don't have this channel at home or nothing would get done.

 

RRH

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----- Original Message -----

From: aim highpeak

To: Carers Forum

Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 7:02 PM

Subject: [Carersforumuk] Counter for your website.

Have you got webcounters installed on your new site Pam ?

Here is a link to one of the better ones, and quite easy to install too - and is compatible with Freewebs sites.

 

http://www.statcounter.com/

 

RRH

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From: Georgina Wakefield

To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 8:45 AM

Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Where is everyone ?

Hi Pam well done a lot of work but worth it. You can use anything at all of mine so long as it helps thats all that matters. Bad times with Chris, I'm not sure why [but are we ever?] when he is with me he feels uncomfortable and when he's away from me he feels exactly the same. I'm feeling exhausted at the moment my sister is also really poorly we go over to see her every Sunday it's difficult as Chris comes with us and he worries about her dying and how we will all cope with it. Even though it's a lovely day here [bright sunshine] I feel like crawling back into bed and staying there, I too watched mysterious creatures and felt every painful feeling, the acting was superb and I didn't think it was over done just how it is.My African Grey Parrot just shouted out "I love you Peppy Poo [his name is Pepsi] he can mimick 9 different people and he is often the only thing who can bring a smile to my face, must get myself together and face the day!! thanks for your hard work Pam much love G

Pamela Pinder <pamshouse@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

Hi Rob

 

I have been busy adding info to my new website, I haven't quite finished all of it but intend putting the links for the pages in a separate email.

 

Lucille's story took the longest which was originally in a pdf document. There is a way of pasting into word from pdf but it doesn't come out the same as it does from a word document.

 

It came out into a narrow column yards long, so went through it all and put it back together. It took absolutely ages. the story is now on the site. Will post links in separate email

 

Sounds like you have been having fun, buying off the bid TV programme...I hope you got some bargains there!

 

I went out to the social club last night, we haven't been out for a while, got some dancing in which is as good as exercise.  Had a few aches when I woke this morning so my "exercise" had some effect.! Just glad of the extra hour we gained when the clocks went back, gave me the chance of a lay in.

 

Pam

 

----- Original Message -----

From: aim highpeak

To: Carers Forum

Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 6:40 PM

Subject: [Carersforumuk] Where is everyone ?

Hello,

 

OK, my excuse is that I have discovered Bid TV and have purchased a Juicer and a mobile phone in the last few days from this seemingly addictive form of television

It's addictive to me as it is much better than the other channels and more entertaining as some products go really quickly whilst others struggle (regardless of how low the price is) and this makes it hard for the presenter to carry on with the sales pitch.

 

I'm just glad I don't have this channel at home or nothing would get done.

 

RRH

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----- Original Message -----

From: diane sutherland

To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 10:59 PM

Subject: [Carersforumuk] mysterious creatures

i was very moved and disturbed by this drama/documentary, i can
identify too much with the parents in this programme shown tonight on
ITV. How often have i stood and looked in the travel agent's window
and just wanted to go away, for good. I don't mean suicide, just go
away. There were many elements of lisa's behaviour similar to Simon,
and me dragging along behind him exausted getting the credit card out
for yet another haircut at Tony and Guy, and the expensive shampoo and
conditioner that has to be bought and how this will make it all ok
till later the same day or tomorrow. Clothes bought and ripped, or
given to the charity shop
then having to be replaced, he has his own money but his level of
spending is phenomenal and he borrows from me, say no, the team say.
You try saying no to a 6ft obsessive/compulsive schizophrenic male.
The washing machine is going 24/7, the vacuum cleaner is on at 2am in
the morning at times. Well of course i am having a break now he is in
hospital! no of course not the only way to get any peace is to pull
the phone out, clothes are bagged up to be sent home then called for
hours later, they have to be removed from the hospital, as he points
out it is better than ripping them up, then he doesn't get up for
meals so he is hungry, then he has lost his tobacco or given it all
away to other patients.
He tells me he is going to pack in the transgender 'thing' and save
up to my me a new kitchen, make amends he says, going to get a job, he
wants to be a journalist. I decided it was best to say i look forward
to the new kitchen, the transgender'thing' can be put on hold, and
when he has been back to court,this week, and finished his section
maybe then look for a job.

It is surprising what DLA brings, a lady told me the other week that she got a Council Tax reduction by being on DLA. Not sure if this is the case everywhere, but if it can be claimed then claim it as it is your's by right. Though I think £22 to watch Plymouth is a bit steep - are they in the Football League ?

There has been a wee power failure this afternoon, just as it was going dark - a reminder of how we take things for granted in this modern life.

RRH.

Hi Lucille

I think there is something in the saying things come in 3s  probably more. It seems like fate when one thing goes wrong something else comes along to knock you back even further.

 

What with the problems you have been experiencing with your son and now this. It's a wonder how we hold it together sometimes. Your family come first, so it is understandable we have not heard from you.

 

I have been a bit quiet myself, apart from working a bit on the website I did a bit of blitzing at my house last week. Turning out cupboards and getting rid of stuff I no longer need. Done a few trips to the charity shop, I tried to give clothes etc to two homeless projects. People with alcohol/drug and MH problems who are homeless, I was a bit surprised and disappointed to find they didn't have the facilities to store excess clothing. So I took it to the Red Cross instead.

 

Also found out something new this week, my son loves going to watch Plymouth Argyle (Loves football period) but it is quite expensive at £22 a time. He will never go there on his own only if someone is with him. My brother usually goes, but can't afford to go every week because of the cost. 

 

We have just discovered if some one with a disability is on the high rate care with DLA, they can get a disability pass and pay fourteen pounds and the carer or person who accompanies them go free

This will work out a lot cheaper and they may be able to afford to go more often as my son will not go many places for social activities

Pam

----- Original Message -----

From: Lucille Crichton

To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:56 PM

Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Where is everyone ?

Hi, I've been waiting on news from my sister-in-law about her husbands cousin...still waiting, but I'm sure they will do. A former fishing boat with a crew of four, went out to check on pipelines in the north sea from Anstruther Fife in a gale force ten (they were hired for this job). Many do this sort of thing now as a back up money spinner, while others do day trips to the Isle of May (a sea bird sanctuary) They have been doing this sort of thing to hold onto their boats. It went down and only one body has been recovered of Norway, it maybe is my brother-in-law's cousin.

 

As we come from the East of Fife originally and we all have had many links to the sea faring communities, it is felt further as many families know in the North East of the distress it causes. We are very concerned about our brother-in-law as we are all close, as is his family. Sorry I have not been in touch. I'm needing to get my head together. I may come on later.....Lucille (PS. It seems this part of Fife has been in the News for all the wrong things. Cellardyke, the village next door was Britain's first bird flu, it is where his cousin lives/lived)

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Pamela Pinder

To: Carersforumuk@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 8:52 PM

Subject: Re: [Carersforumuk] Where is everyone ?

Hi Rob

 

I have been busy adding info to my new website, I haven't quite finished all of it but intend putting the links for the pages in a separate email.

 

Lucille's story took the longest which was originally in a pdf document. There is a way of pasting into word from pdf but it doesn't come out the same as it does from a word document.

 

It came out into a narrow column yards long, so went through it all and put it back together. It took absolutely ages. the story is now on the site. Will post links in separate email

 

Sounds like you have been having fun, buying off the bid TV programme...I hope you got some bargains there!

 

I went out to the social club last night, we haven't been out for a while, got some dancing in which is as good as exercise.  Had a few aches when I woke this morning so my "exercise" had some effect.! Just glad of the extra hour we gained when the clocks went back, gave me the chance of a lay in.

 

Pam

 

----- Original Message -----

From: aim highpeak

To: Carers Forum

Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 6:40 PM

Subject: [Carersforumuk] Where is everyone ?

Hello,

 

OK, my excuse is that I have discovered Bid TV and have purchased a Juicer and a mobile phone in the last few days from this seemingly addictive form of television

It's addictive to me as it is much better than the other channels and more entertaining as some products go really quickly whilst others struggle (regardless of how low the price is) and this makes it hard for the presenter to carry on with the sales pitch.

 

I'm just glad I don't have this channel at home or nothing would get done.

 

RRH

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