I hope that all are doing well.



Just so that there is no confusion re: magnesium oil that has recently

been mentioned in a couple posts in this forum.  I have no first-hand

experience with the product so can not recommend a person use it or

not.  It is not part of the program that I suggest.



From the posts that I've read from the person that is promoting this

product, my impression is that he is very knowledgeable.  His focus

seems to be on the importance of magnesium for health.  I agree that

magnesium is important, but so are a number of other minerals and

nutrients.  The importance of any one is relative to the individual

and her/his own deficiencies or excesses of it.  In general, most

people in the US are deficient in magnesium.



As I said I have no experience with the product but it sounds like it

is some mixture of magnesium and some kind of oil (I'm guessing olive

oil since fish oil would be a little too aromatic) and it is applied

topically, to the skin.  The magnesium and oil is then absorbed

through the skin.



   My thinking on this is that this pathway may be necessary for those

that, for some reason, are not able to eat since the design of the

body is to obtain this nutrient from the foods that we eat.



If a person needs magnesium, they had better be eating foods that are

good sources for magnesium.  Any supplement should should not be taken

to compensate for poor choices in the diet.  If ignorant of what foods

are good sources of magnesium, do a google search on the topic.  Don't

concentrate on any one food item, but include a variety of all.  As

each food will provide a different mix of nutrients.



A person could eat a diet rich in magnesium foods but still exhibit

signs of deficiency.  Is this a situation in which the person should

look to a topical application of the mineral to obtain it?



It takes time for the body to correct a mineral imbalance, maybe a few

months.  If the body is unable to get it from the foods that we eat,

assuming the nutrient is in the food, then this may indicate that

there might be other areas that may first need to be addressed.

Either there may be a problem with digestion in which the body is not

able to take up the mineral or there may be a problem in which the

body is using up magnesium faster than it is being provided in the

diet such as too much protein or too much sugar, or alcohol, or

caffiene all of which require more magnesium.  In either case, these

areas need to be corrected too, before magnesium balance can be restored.



Well enough on magnesium.  On to what I had wanted to write about, our

greatest freedom: choice.



You and I are where we are because of the direct and indirect

consequences of the choices that we have made.  And, in part, the

choices of those that have gone before us, our parents, grandparents,

etc..., have contributed to our current state of being.



Now I might think, "I did not choose this".  Had I known that certain

choices would have lead me to this state, I might have chosen

differently.  "Had I known" is a key point.  In most things we don't

know what the long term effects of our choices will be.  Especially

since the choices made by others will sometimes have an influence upon

the outcome.



Life is all about choices.  We can choose to act or not to take act,

but our inaction too is a choice.  We make the choice, we live, and we

learn.  If the outcome is not what we had wanted hopefully we can make

the connection and correct our choices such that they bring about the

desired outcome.



Abraham Lincoln said "Man is about as happy as he makes up his mind to

be".  If I were asked to make a list of persons in history noted for

being happy, Abraham Lincoln would probably not be listed.  Given the

amount of hardship and stress in his life It is no wonder he did not

appear to be more happy.  Maybe this was something that he learned as

a result of his hard life?  And so was not able to apply the principle

except toward the end of his life.



Victor Frankl, enduring the horrors in the concentration camps during

WW2, found that the one thing that could not be taken from him is his

freedom to choose his attitude toward his circumstances.  From his

book, Man's Search for Meaning, "We can discover this meaning in life

in three different ways: (1) by doing a deed; (2) by experiencing a

value; and (3) by suffering."



"It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what

life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of

life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being

questioned by life - daily and hourly. Our answer must consist, not in

talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life

ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to

its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for

each individual." p.122

http://www.geocities.com/~webwinds/frankl/quotes.htm



Well, that should be enough to ponder for a while.  For those that

chose to ask for information on the revised program and will choose to

follow it, I hope that you will also let me know of your status, how

you are applying it, and your progress.



All the best,

Jim



I used to work at International House of Pancakes. You set your goals.

You go for them. It's a dream. I made it happen. It was the worst job

I ever had in my entire life. I tell you something: When people would

be rude...I'd touch their eggs. -Paula Poundstone

Hello Jim.

      Yes; Dr Mark Sircus is very knowledgable about what he writes about; at

least in my opinion.

       The 'magnesium oil' is NOT an oil nor is it mixed with an oil. They

only call it an 'oil' as it feels like an oil. It is magnesium chloride in

seawater; just and only seawater. It has not been processed with any chemicals

as so

many transdermal magnesium products  have, and is very pure. 31% to 35 % of

the product is magnesium chloride. The rest is seawater with only trace

minerals in it. It is NATURAL, from the sea.

          The problem with getting ALL of ones magnesium from food is that

even if ones eats organic foods, the earth is very depleted in magnesium plus

other minerals and one cannot really get enough from our foods anymore  -- or

such is my understanding from reading all of Mark's posts plus doing research of

my own. I often follow up on some of the references in his posts too.

       And even if one can get ones' magnesium levels up; there is the

problems of keeping them up. According to one of Mark's posts, Dr Myhill has

tried

getting her patients mag levels up by giving them an mag injection every week --

and this has worked. However, Dr Myhill says that after 2 (two) weeks, the

levels are back down again and the patient is again magnesium deficient. If one

takes the transdermal magnesium chloride in baths 3 or 4 times a week after

getting the levels up, one can keep them up: at least this is my understanding.

Did you know that glutathione needs magnesium?

            I suggest that you ask Mark any questions if you need more info.

                     Blessings

                         Shan



> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:34:41 -0000

>   From: "thmicom" <clements@...>

> Subject: Some things to ponder.

>

>

> I hope that all are doing well.

>

> Just so that there is no confusion re: magnesium oil that has recently

> been mentioned in a couple posts in this forum.  I have no first-hand

> experience with the product so can not recommend a person use it or

> not.  It is not part of the program that I suggest.

>

> From the posts that I've read from the person that is promoting this

> product, my impression is that he is very knowledgeable.  His focus

> seems to be on the importance of magnesium for health.  I agree that

> magnesium is important, but so are a number of other minerals and

> nutrients.  The importance of any one is relative to the individual

> and her/his own deficiencies or excesses of it.  In general, most

> people in the US are deficient in magnesium.

>

> As I said I have no experience with the product but it sounds like it

> is some mixture of magnesium and some kind of oil (I'm guessing olive

> oil since fish oil would be a little too aromatic) and it is applied

> topically, to the skin.  The magnesium and oil is then absorbed

> through the skin.

>

>  My thinking on this is that this pathway may be necessary for those

> that, for some reason, are not able to eat since the design of the

> body is to obtain this nutrient from the foods that we eat.

>

> If a person needs magnesium, they had better be eating foods that are

> good sources for magnesium.  Any supplement should should not be taken

> to compensate for poor choices in the diet.  If ignorant of what foods

> are good sources of magnesium, do a google search on the topic.  Don't

> concentrate on any one food item, but include a variety of all.  As

> each food will provide a different mix of nutrients.

>

> A person could eat a diet rich in magnesium foods but still exhibit

> signs of deficiency.  Is this a situation in which the person should

> look to a topical application of the mineral to obtain it?

>

> It takes time for the body to correct a mineral imbalance, maybe a few

> months.  If the body is unable to get it from the foods that we eat,

> assuming the nutrient is in the food, then this may indicate that

> there might be other areas that may first need to be addressed.

> Either there may be a problem with digestion in which the body is not

> able to take up the mineral or there may be a problem in which the

> body is using up magnesium faster than it is being provided in the

> diet such as too much protein or too much sugar, or alcohol, or

> caffiene all of which require more magnesium.  In either case, these

> areas need to be corrected too, before magnesium balance can be restored.

>

> Well enough on magnesium.







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In CFS-FMS_FIRST-Aid@yahoogroups.com, surpriseshan2@... wrote:

>

>       And even if one can get ones' magnesium levels up; there is the

> problems of keeping them up. According to one of Mark's posts, Dr

Myhill has tried

> getting her patients mag levels up by giving them an mag injection

every week --

> and this has worked. However, Dr Myhill says that after 2 (two)

weeks, the

> levels are back down again and the patient is again magnesium deficient.



According to information on one clinics site in the UK ( I used to

have links to the articles but they've redone their site and I've not

found them again. )  When magnesium is injected in persons w/ CFS/FMS

the magnesium binds with phospates at the cell, is blocked from

getting into the cell, and the person is magnesium deficient again the

next day.



The problem is not so much that the body is probably not getting the

magnesium but that it is using the magnesium up too fast.



I don't know if glutathione needs magnesium.  But studies have shown

that when magnesium levels go low, glutathione levels go down.  So the

body does apparently require magnesium to produce glutathione or it

may be that due to low magnesium levels, the rate of expenditure of

glutathione goes up.  But what is probably the case is that magnesium

is neccessary for ATP production and ATP is required for glutathione

production so when magnesium goes low, so too does ATP production and

subsequently glutathione goes low.



The answer, in this case is to correct whatever is causing the

increased production of phosphates inside the cell so that magnesium

is not used up so rapidly.  The 64 thousand dollar question is how

does one do that?



All the best,

Jim



> If one

> takes the transdermal magnesium chloride in baths 3 or 4 times a

week after

> getting the levels up, one can keep them up: at least this is my

understanding.

> Did you know that glutathione needs magnesium?

>            I suggest that you ask Mark any questions if you need

more info.

>                     Blessings

>                         Shan

>

The answer, in this case is to correct whatever is

> causing the

> increased production of phosphates inside the cell

> so that magnesium

> is not used up so rapidly.  The 64 thousand dollar

> question is how

> does one do that?



jim

i am on a programme to expel phosphates from the body

as it is believed we fms patients are overloaded

do you know the work of dr.paul st amand

he has a book

"what your doctor may not tell you about fibromyalgia"

warner press

and his theory of fibromyalgia is based on this

imbalance of phosphates and minerals in the body



you would be intersted in his thesis and his research

i think

it might answer your 64million dollar question



anna glynn(ireland)







--- thmicom <clements@...> wrote:



> --- In CFS-FMS_FIRST-Aid@yahoogroups.com,

> surpriseshan2@... wrote:

> >

> >       And even if one can get ones' magnesium

> levels up; there is the

> > problems of keeping them up. According to one of

> Mark's posts, Dr

> Myhill has tried

> > getting her patients mag levels up by giving them

> an mag injection

> every week --

> > and this has worked. However, Dr Myhill says that

> after 2 (two)

> weeks, the

> > levels are back down again and the patient is

> again magnesium deficient.

>

> According to information on one clinics site in the

> UK ( I used to

> have links to the articles but they've redone their

> site and I've not

> found them again. )  When magnesium is injected in

> persons w/ CFS/FMS

> the magnesium binds with phospates at the cell, is

> blocked from

> getting into the cell, and the person is magnesium

> deficient again the

> next day.

>

> The problem is not so much that the body is probably

> not getting the

> magnesium but that it is using the magnesium up too

> fast.

>

> I don't know if glutathione needs magnesium.  But

> studies have shown

> that when magnesium levels go low, glutathione

> levels go down.  So the

> body does apparently require magnesium to produce

> glutathione or it

> may be that due to low magnesium levels, the rate of

> expenditure of

> glutathione goes up.  But what is probably the case

> is that magnesium

> is neccessary for ATP production and ATP is required

> for glutathione

> production so when magnesium goes low, so too does

> ATP production and

> subsequently glutathione goes low.

>

> The answer, in this case is to correct whatever is

> causing the

> increased production of phosphates inside the cell

> so that magnesium

> is not used up so rapidly.  The 64 thousand dollar

> question is how

> does one do that?

>

> All the best,

> Jim

>

> > If one

> > takes the transdermal magnesium chloride in baths

> 3 or 4 times a

> week after

> > getting the levels up, one can keep them up: at

> least this is my

> understanding.

> > Did you know that glutathione needs magnesium?

> >            I suggest that you ask Mark any

> questions if you need

> more info.

> >                     Blessings

> >                         Shan

> >

>

>

>

>

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It is also interesting to consider the nanobacteria question.

What causes the calcium phosphate to form in the tissues?

You can find pictures on the net of the little hard "houses" these ultra

tiny bacteria form.

Is this what is loading us down?

How to kill them?

FIR, oxygen / H2O2, iodine, microelectricity?

All worth googling.



It is also interesting that a low-phosphate diet is also low in many of the

substances that cause problems, like a HG diet.



R





> increased production of phosphates inside the cell

> so that magnesium

> is not used up so rapidly.  The 64 thousand dollar

> question is how

> does one do that?

jim



and his theory of fibromyalgia is based on this

imbalance of phosphates and minerals in the body

you would be intersted in his thesis and his research

i think

it might answer your 64million dollar question



anna glynn(ireland)