Hey everyone,

I've made a website with my journey on it.

http://www.deewrites.com/Journey/home.html

Peace
Deatri
http://www.deewrites.com

Brothers and sisters,

   These links were sent to me buy a current sister who is living in Japan and
the posting has sparked quite a controversy on that email list.

   I don't usually send forwards but decided that this one merited it.  Please
check out these youtube links and feel free to write to me personally (or to the
group) with regard to you reactions.

   KC

  
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   Check out this documentary which is intended to uncover
the "struggle" between Blacks and Koreans regarding Black Hair Care
products, but instead brings light to the state of some Black-owned
small businesses, the mindset of some small-business owners and the
overall condition (support, strength...or lack thereof...mindset and
affects) of the community.
Whatcha think?


The links to the documentary are in 4 parts.

Pt 1
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=p96aaTSdrAE

Pt 2
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=LWeLiXHcSyU

Pt 3
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=azfEeDRvdlc

Pt 4
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=m67P2kT7TzQ





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Congrats GK!  When I got my BC it was one of the best days of my
life, I felt totally free!  As long as you love it, everyone else
matters not!

T. Yvette
Free since 12/6/03
--- In BlackTresses@yahoogroups.com, "ayibmig" <ayibmig@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Everyone,
>
> So I went through with it.
>
> After work yesterday I went to my hairdresser and had the Big Chop
> done.  It was to date the shortest and cheapest trip to a
> hairdresser in my life.  In less than an hour I was out -minus
about
> ten inches of hair.
>
> I didn't cry.  I didn't freak out.
> And I don't yet regret it.
>
> Still it is strange.  I haven't fallen in love with my reflection,
> nor am I turning around all the mirrors in my house and avoiding
> storefront windows.  When I do see myself I think: Wow! Me?
>
> And I am okay with that too.
> My Dad (white) LOVES it.  My Mom (black) HATES it.
>
> My bf (asian) thinks I am still beautiful and has been telling me
> that as often as I need to hear it.  He also says I look taller
and
> more grown.  My brother hasn't seen it yet and when I say he was
> disappointed I was even thinking about cutting my hair, know that
is
> an understatement.
>
> Life continues as normal.  I got up.  Got dressed.  Went to work.
> Almost normal: Is it a coincidence that I am wearing earings for
the
> third time this year and contacts for the fourth?  Is it an
accident
> I am in a pencil skirt today?  I guess, I am still adjusting.
>
> Still, I can't keep my fingers out of my hair.
>
> GK
>

Dear Everyone,

So I went through with it.

After work yesterday I went to my hairdresser and had the Big Chop
done.  It was to date the shortest and cheapest trip to a
hairdresser in my life.  In less than an hour I was out -minus about
ten inches of hair.

I didn't cry.  I didn't freak out.
And I don't yet regret it.

Still it is strange.  I haven't fallen in love with my reflection,
nor am I turning around all the mirrors in my house and avoiding
storefront windows.  When I do see myself I think: Wow! Me?

And I am okay with that too.
My Dad (white) LOVES it.  My Mom (black) HATES it.

My bf (asian) thinks I am still beautiful and has been telling me
that as often as I need to hear it.  He also says I look taller and
more grown.  My brother hasn't seen it yet and when I say he was
disappointed I was even thinking about cutting my hair, know that is
an understatement.

Life continues as normal.  I got up.  Got dressed.  Went to work.
Almost normal: Is it a coincidence that I am wearing earings for the
third time this year and contacts for the fourth?  Is it an accident
I am in a pencil skirt today?  I guess, I am still adjusting.

Still, I can't keep my fingers out of my hair.

GK

Hey Soror Tonia Dew--how goes it!

Soror Gwen E. McClinton

It is a double pleasure to deceive the deceiver-Jean De La Fontaine



----- Original Message ----
From: Tonia Dew <chaotic1club@...>
To: BlackTresses@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:24:44 AM
Subject: Re: [BlackTresses] The Big Chop

GK,
Good luck on your BC you will do fine. I did the BC almost 3 years ago now and
like you had several instances where I began the process and chickened out. But
when you've got "A MADE UP MIND!"...there is no stopping ya! I did transition
for nearly 7 months before the big chop wearing low maintenance styles (straw
sets, flat twists, rod sets, twist outs, etc..) and that gave me about 2 inches
of new growth when I did the BC. I loved my short hair!!!! And there was no
hiding my face behind anything. so I rocked fly earrings, kept my eyebrows
arched, and wore a little make-up.
Now, I am happily wearing shoulder length locs
I found a lot of inspiration from the sistahs and brothas on nappturality. com.
They really helped me with the transition and with my natural hair.

Good Luck and keep us posted !
T. Yvette


ayibmig <ayibmig@yahoo. com> wrote:
Hi All,

I am completely new to this group...as in yesterday.
And am at that 6-8 week point in the hair-perming cycle where I need
need a touch-up --badly. (Okay, maybe it is more like the 8-10 week
point.) And after ten years, I have decided not to get a touch up.
Again.

And have booked an appointment for the Big Chop next Wednesday.

I have decided to get out from under the perm. The usual breakage and
shedding and scalp burning -but nothing dramatic causing this change.
And I will be losing like ten inches of hair. And not having much more
than an inch and a bit left behind.

I have been talking about this all summer. For the last two years. I
tried to transition once -and yup, for a dress-up occasion after nine-
months of bad hair, I got a touch up. Much to the relief of a lot
people who told me that I was not doing a good job of managing two
textures and letting my roots hang out...etc... nothing anyone else
hasn't heard.

I feel like I have been walking around with this HUGE secret and just
have to get it off my chest and tell someone.

But I am also scared. I have told my best friend who has promised to
come with me to hold my hand. And that is about it. Everyone else
thinks it is something I talk about periodically but will never
actually do. But this time, I am doing it. (The best friend and the
hairdresser have both been told not to let me chicken out as I have
regretted that every time.) I am also hopign by telling all of you I
will have the courage, if not the pure need to stick-to-my- word to
follow through...

Still what will I look like with short hair? Will I want to turn all
the mirrors around? Is my face too fat to pull this off? Am I going
to cry? Am I going to be happy with what I see? How did you respond
in that moment -that afternoon? The rest of that first week? Whenever
all the closest friends and family saw you for the first time? When
you woke up the next morning and saw yourself.

So I am on this list hoping for some encouragement and tips. And I
guess you will be hearing from me a lot. Everyone in my family is
permed or white. My best friend is white. Not really anyone I can
turn to for natural hair advice in my current circle of friends.

Wish me luck!!

GK

T. Yvette
"To be blessed, You must be a blessing!"

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Sfreedom,
   Natures blessings is the BOMB!  I have been using it for the last 2 years,
10months, and 20 days of my loc journey!  The price you are selling it at is a
steal!
   T. Yvette

sfreedom29 <SFREEDOM29@...> wrote:
           Just thought I would put some pics of my hair and the progress I have
seen. I use natures blessings, a natural hair grease. I discovered
it quite by accident but I have been amazed by the growth that I have
see. If any of you can find it locally, it is worth a try. If you
are unable to get it, I sell it also. It is 2 4oz jars for $10 plus
shipping.






T. Yvette
"To be blessed, You must be a blessing!"

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GK,
   Good luck on your BC you will do fine.  I did the BC almost 3 years ago now
and like you had several instances where I began the process and chickened out. 
But when you've got "A MADE UP MIND!"...there is no stopping ya!  I did
transition for nearly 7 months before the big chop wearing low maintenance
styles (straw sets, flat twists, rod sets, twist outs, etc..) and that gave me
about 2 inches of new growth when I did the BC.  I loved my short hair!!!! And
there was no hiding my face behind anything.  so I rocked fly earrings, kept my
eyebrows arched, and wore a little make-up.
   Now, I am happily wearing shoulder length locs
   I found a lot of inspiration from the sistahs and brothas on nappturality.com.
They really helped me with the transition and with my natural hair.

   Good Luck and keep us posted !
   T. Yvette


ayibmig <ayibmig@...> wrote:
           Hi All,

I am completely new to this group...as in yesterday.
And am at that 6-8 week point in the hair-perming cycle where I need
need a touch-up --badly. (Okay, maybe it is more like the 8-10 week
point.) And after ten years, I have decided not to get a touch up.
Again.

And have booked an appointment for the Big Chop next Wednesday.

I have decided to get out from under the perm. The usual breakage and
shedding and scalp burning -but nothing dramatic causing this change.
And I will be losing like ten inches of hair. And not having much more
than an inch and a bit left behind.

I have been talking about this all summer. For the last two years. I
tried to transition once -and yup, for a dress-up occasion after nine-
months of bad hair, I got a touch up. Much to the relief of a lot
people who told me that I was not doing a good job of managing two
textures and letting my roots hang out...etc...nothing anyone else
hasn't heard.

I feel like I have been walking around with this HUGE secret and just
have to get it off my chest and tell someone.

But I am also scared. I have told my best friend who has promised to
come with me to hold my hand. And that is about it. Everyone else
thinks it is something I talk about periodically but will never
actually do. But this time, I am doing it. (The best friend and the
hairdresser have both been told not to let me chicken out as I have
regretted that every time.) I am also hopign by telling all of you I
will have the courage, if not the pure need to stick-to-my-word to
follow through...

Still what will I look like with short hair? Will I want to turn all
the mirrors around? Is my face too fat to pull this off? Am I going
to cry? Am I going to be happy with what I see? How did you respond
in that moment -that afternoon? The rest of that first week? Whenever
all the closest friends and family saw you for the first time? When
you woke up the next morning and saw yourself.

So I am on this list hoping for some encouragement and tips. And I
guess you will be hearing from me a lot. Everyone in my family is
permed or white. My best friend is white. Not really anyone I can
turn to for natural hair advice in my current circle of friends.

Wish me luck!!

GK






T. Yvette
"To be blessed, You must be a blessing!"

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My hair chop inspirations came from two directions:

   I had a close friend, who was losing his battle with the AIDS virus, show me
that time is of the essence right now and that tomorrow is not promised.

   When he heard I was about to cut my hair, he exclaimed, "I never told you
anything crazy like that", yet when he saw my buzzzed head, he said he loved it.

   I had permed by hair for 14 years and was just ready for a change.

   I threw a party and at midnight, had a barber cut my hair.  I made it
ritualistic as I felt I was entering a new phase in life.

   The next day when I got in the shower and completed my hair ritual in 10
minutes - vs two hours when I had a longer head of permed hair - I knew I had
made the right decision.

   People told me I looked youthful.  Some folks tried to convince me to return
to the perm as soon as I could and were a bit taken aback when I wouldn't perm
it.

   One of my biggest detracters tried her best to get me to perm my hair
including displaying a hug bucket of perm in her living room each time I visited
her home.

   Funny thing is, about a year later, she did the big chop herself!



ayibmig <ayibmig@...> wrote:
           Hi All,

I am completely new to this group...as in yesterday.
And am at that 6-8 week point in the hair-perming cycle where I need
need a touch-up --badly. (Okay, maybe it is more like the 8-10 week
point.) And after ten years, I have decided not to get a touch up.
Again.


Still what will I look like with short hair? Will I want to turn all
the mirrors around? Is my face too fat to pull this off? Am I going
to cry? Am I going to be happy with what I see? How did you respond
in that moment -that afternoon? The rest of that first week? Whenever
all the closest friends and family saw you for the first time? When
you woke up the next morning and saw yourself.

So I am on this list hoping for some encouragement and tips. And I
guess you will be hearing from me a lot. Everyone in my family is
permed or white. My best friend is white. Not really anyone I can
turn to for natural hair advice in my current circle of friends.

Wish me luck!!

GK






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I am a newbie to the group. I am also fairly new to my new natural
lifestyle. My last relaxer was April 2006 and the big chop was made in
September. Initially, I went through a state of shock and panic and was
not able to look at myself in the mirror for two to three days. I now
believe it was my TWA and the fact that it made me look exactly like my
mother, lol. I soon found a stylist who showed me the light and I have
been loving the new me eversince. I can't wait to see what the future
holds for me and my new do!

Just thought I would put some pics of my hair and the progress I have
seen.  I use natures blessings, a natural hair grease.  I discovered
it quite by accident but I have been amazed by the growth that I have
see.  If any of you can find it locally, it is worth a try.  If you
are unable to get it, I sell it also.  It is 2 4oz jars for $10 plus
shipping.

Hi All,

I am completely new to this group...as in yesterday.
And am at that 6-8 week point in the hair-perming cycle where I need
need a touch-up --badly.  (Okay, maybe it is more like the 8-10 week
point.)  And after ten years, I have decided not to get a touch up.
Again.

And have booked an appointment for the Big Chop next Wednesday.

I have decided to get out from under the perm.  The usual breakage and
shedding and scalp burning -but nothing dramatic causing this change.
And I will be losing like ten inches of hair.  And not having much more
than an inch and a bit left behind.

I have been talking about this all summer.  For the last two years.  I
tried to transition once -and yup, for a dress-up occasion after nine-
months of bad hair, I got a touch up.  Much to the relief of a lot
people who told me that I was not doing a good job of managing two
textures and letting my roots hang out...etc...nothing anyone else
hasn't heard.

I feel like I have been walking around with this HUGE secret and just
have to get it off my chest and tell someone.

But I am also scared.  I have told my best friend who has promised to
come with me to hold my hand.  And that is about it.  Everyone else
thinks it is something I talk about periodically but will never
actually do.  But this time, I am doing it.  (The best friend and the
hairdresser have both been told not to let me chicken out as I have
regretted that every time.) I am also hopign by telling all of you I
will have the courage, if not the pure need to stick-to-my-word to
follow through...

Still what will I look like with short hair?  Will I want to turn all
the mirrors around?  Is my face too fat to pull this off?  Am I going
to cry?  Am I going to be happy with what I see?  How did you respond
in that moment -that afternoon?  The rest of that first week?  Whenever
all the closest friends and family saw you for the first time?  When
you woke up the next morning and saw yourself.

So I am on this list hoping for some encouragement and tips.  And I
guess you will be hearing from me a lot.  Everyone in my family is
permed or white.  My best friend is white.  Not really anyone I can
turn to for natural hair advice in my current circle of friends.

Wish me luck!!

GK

Don't regret accepting yourself for who God made you.  I too had a difficult
time, fall of '99 when I decided that I had had my last relaxer.  No, I wasn't
ready for  funny faces or treatment from people, that I allowed to cause me to
want to hide my hair under a bandana.  You're not the one with the issue, those
who make negative comments show their ignorance and lack of love for themselves
(assuming that they are blk as well).  I believe someone already suggested that
you go to motowngirl.com.  Look through some of her photos, they're very
inspiring when your in a transitional place.  Also, growafrohairlong.com is
great with everyday maintainence.  Just don't give up and allow yourself to get
frustrated.  Keep working it until you find what works well for you

D Banks <dmb851290@...> wrote:          I made the decision to stop
relaxing back in June, 2004. While it hasn't been an easy journey, it has been a
rewarding one. It makes me sad to hear that you regret your decision. Like you I
have gotten negative feedback from some of those closest to me. But at the same
time I have gotten sooo much support from other friends, family members and
total strangers. When I look in the mirror I'm proud of my decision to accept
myself just the way the Creator made me. This is not just a superficial
experience. It is and should be a spiritual awakening. This is about learning to
love yourself. Keep in mind that your new growth during the first year will be a
bit different from your subsequent growth. Be patient and keep your hair clean
and moisturized. Good luck!



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Instead of trying different products to make your hair texture more managable,
try an actual hair style that will compliment your hair texture and will be easy
to work with. I suggest double-strand twists. I think it works well on tightly
coiled hair like mine.

   For doube-stand twists. Section your hair into small boxes, and one by one,
take two sections of your hair and twist them around one another. Repeat this
all of over your head, until it is full of twists. Let your hair dry, and then
take the twists apart. You will love the results! Side note:  I use Elasta QP
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I made the decision to stop relaxing back in June, 2004. While it hasn't been an
easy journey, it has been a rewarding one. It makes me sad to hear that you
regret your decision. Like you I have gotten negative feedback from some of
those closest to me. But at the same time I have gotten sooo much support from
other friends, family members and total strangers. When I look in the  mirror
I'm proud of my decision to accept myself just the way the Creator made me. This
is not just a superficial experience. It is and should be a spiritual awakening.
This is about learning to love yourself. Keep in mind that your new growth
during the first year will be a bit different from your subsequent growth. Be
patient and keep your hair clean and moisturized. Good luck!



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I am going to keep trying to work with my natural.  Thank you for the advice. 
It really helps to have support people like you.
   Have a nice day!
   Lisa



baker T23 <blah0323@...> wrote:
           A relaxer is a chemical and if you were trying to free yourself from
chemicals, then you will defeat your purpose. I would suggest you to try a
"no-poo" method, which can be found on motowngirl.com (I hope that is the right
link). This method has you to do conditioner washes vs. shampoo washes. I use
suave conditioner daily when I wear an afro puff to assist in a more managable
style and look. Of course with the conditioner I would suggest some oil, either
hot six oil or something that you like. Another good moisture is the Right on
Curl activator/moisturizer. I wouldn't use tooo much because as we you use to
say back in the day, it is curl juice. But these work for me.

My neice who decided she wanted to be natural has been wearing afro puffs as
well and was very uncomfortable until I suggested some of these methods as well.
It may even take putting conditioner in a smaller bottle and keeping in your
purse to use throughout the day.

Good Luck on your journey don't give up yet!!! It was the right choice, you just
need the right methods of handling your naps!!



Lisa Atkinson <lisa_a_28590@...> wrote:
Has anyone tried Baka Beautiful's Natural-Laxer or Natural-Laxer
Plus? I have tired almost every product on the market to make my
hair more easier to manage. Nothing works. I did the big chop last
month. My family and I agree that it was not the right choice. My
hair rolls up into very tiny balls (very unattractive. When I
straighten it with a hot comb, it looks like a soft afro. I do not
want to use heat every week on my hair. Any suggestions or
information about natural-laxer would be very helpful.

Below is some information about Natural-Laxer.

Baka Beauty Products' Natural-Laxer MIX is 100% natural powder made
entirely of sun dried exotic herbs and Sahara Clay hair leaving it
silky smooth. The herbs used in the natural relaxer are completely
natural and completely safe. When mixed with Sahara Clay and hot
water and applied to the hair and skin, it produces miraculous
results. This ancient herbal secret has been used dating back to
the pharaohs.

Thanks for your help,
Lisa

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A relaxer is a chemical and if you were trying to free yourself from chemicals,
then you will defeat your purpose.  I would suggest you to try a "no-poo"
method, which can be found on motowngirl.com (I hope that is the right link). 
This method has you to do conditioner washes vs. shampoo washes.  I use suave
conditioner daily when I wear an afro puff to assist in a more managable style
and look.  Of course with the conditioner I would suggest some oil, either hot
six oil or something that you like.  Another good moisture is the Right on Curl
activator/moisturizer.  I wouldn't use tooo much because as we you use to say
back in the day, it is curl juice.  But these work for me.

   My neice who decided she wanted to be natural has been wearing afro puffs as
well and was very uncomfortable until I suggested some of these methods as well.
It may even take putting conditioner in a smaller bottle and keeping in your
purse to use throughout the day.

   Good Luck on your journey don't give up yet!!!  It was the right choice, you
just need the right methods of handling your naps!!



Lisa Atkinson <lisa_a_28590@...> wrote:
           Has anyone tried Baka Beautiful's Natural-Laxer or Natural-Laxer
Plus? I have tired almost every product on the market to make my
hair more easier to manage. Nothing works. I did the big chop last
month. My family and I agree that it was not the right choice. My
hair rolls up into very tiny balls (very unattractive. When I
straighten it with a hot comb, it looks like a soft afro. I do not
want to use heat every week on my hair. Any suggestions or
information about natural-laxer would be very helpful.

Below is some information about Natural-Laxer.

Baka Beauty Products' Natural-Laxer MIX is 100% natural powder made
entirely of sun dried exotic herbs and Sahara Clay hair leaving it
silky smooth. The herbs used in the natural relaxer are completely
natural and completely safe. When mixed with Sahara Clay and hot
water and applied to the hair and skin, it produces miraculous
results. This ancient herbal secret has been used dating back to
the pharaohs.

Thanks for your help,
Lisa


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Lisa,

   First, by no means am I an expert nor a professional hair stylist.  The
following is merely my personal point of view as a former permie who has been
natural since 1999.

   Remember that if you used chemicals in your hair extensively before you went
natural, a few things may be happening:

   1)  Your hair my be resistant and is used to being attacked by a chemical
   2) Your natural texture may appear rather odd as you haven't worked directly
with it for a while
   3) You are attempting to style and manage your hair as if it was chemically
altered.  It is no longer so and therefore you are gettting different results
than you expected.

   I would say work with your hair for a while.  Try blowing it out instead of
pressing it.  Try embracing the "balls" and massaging your finger tips over your
scalp with conditioner when it is wet, encouraging them to form.

   Give you hair a chance before you rotate into an altering chemical of any
kind.




Lisa Atkinson <lisa_a_28590@...> wrote:
           Has anyone tried Baka Beautiful's Natural-Laxer or Natural-Laxer
Plus? I have tired almost every product on the market to make my
hair more easier to manage. Nothing works. I did the big chop last
month. My family and I agree that it was not the right choice. My
hair rolls up into very tiny balls (very unattractive. When I
straighten it with a hot comb, it looks like a soft afro. I do not
want to use heat every week on my hair. Any suggestions or
information about natural-laxer would be very helpful.

Below is some information about Natural-Laxer.

Baka Beauty Products' Natural-Laxer MIX is 100% natural powder made
entirely of sun dried exotic herbs and Sahara Clay hair leaving it
silky smooth. The herbs used in the natural relaxer are completely
natural and completely safe. When mixed with Sahara Clay and hot
water and applied to the hair and skin, it produces miraculous
results. This ancient herbal secret has been used dating back to
the pharaohs.

Thanks for your help,
Lisa


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Has anyone tried Baka Beautiful's Natural-Laxer or Natural-Laxer
Plus? I have tired almost every product on the market to make my
hair more easier to manage. Nothing works. I did the big chop last
month. My family and I agree that it was not the right choice. My
hair rolls up into very tiny balls (very unattractive. When I
straighten it with a hot comb, it looks like a soft afro. I do not
want to use heat every week on my hair. Any suggestions or
information about natural-laxer would be very helpful.

Below is some information about Natural-Laxer.

Baka Beauty Products' Natural-Laxer MIX is 100% natural powder made
entirely of sun dried exotic herbs and Sahara Clay hair leaving it
silky smooth. The herbs used in the natural relaxer are completely
natural and completely safe. When mixed with Sahara Clay and hot
water and applied to the hair and skin, it produces miraculous
results. This ancient herbal secret has been used dating back to
the pharaohs.

Thanks for your help,
Lisa


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Thanks for the great advice.  I'll try the website you sugested and see what
kind of information I find there.  About the texturized fro, I do think I stated
this but you probably missed that part.  I am planning on going NATURAL and had
no idea what a texturized fro was.  So my question was not meant to be taken in
a way that means I do not want natural hair, it was simply a question.  I'm half
black so my hair is very soft and I'm a bit concerned about the result I will
get but it's worth the try.  Now that I've cleared that up....thanks again for
the wonderful advice....I'm planning on chopping it all off very soon....and am
excited to see what kind of result I'll get.  Thanks again, flora
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tonia Dew <chaotic1club@...>
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:26:41
To:BlackTresses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlackTresses] (unknown)

Hi Southsaul, I thought I would respond to your first message where you talk
about doing the BC (Big Chop) and then getting a texturized fro. Let me start by
saying that a texturized fro is not natural. This forum is mainly for those who
have decided to stop altering their hair with either chemicals or heat. so if
you are looking for responses related to chemically altering your fresh BC, this
is probably not the place. Not meaning to sound cruel or insensitive...all that
I say is with love in my heart. Making the choice to be natural is a choice that
must be made when the time is right for you. When you are ready to experience
your hair as it is untampered with, in it's natural state. When you stop
wondering whether you hair is acceptable because your coil is toooooo tight (ya
know mother Africa, on the struggle, ya hair is holding up the black power fist)
I would advise you not to take the BC if you plan on altering your hair again by
texturizing it. You have
  gone 10 months without a relaxer and you are thinking of ruining all that new
growth with a perm...oh excuse me texturizer (lye is lye) There are ways to
achieve that desired look without going to the extreme of texturizing. I
personally am loc'd. I rocked a funky Kobe Bryant Fro for a couple of months
before loc'ing, I do not have the absolute answer about having that curly look
you desire....But I would go to Napturality.com and join and talk to some
brothers and sisters there. When I made my transition three years ago, I got a
lot of great advise there and some great resources as well. You don't have to
wait and wait for responses either because there are probably already posts that
could assist you.

  Good Luck....
  Remember Lye is a Lie...Don't do it! You'll be waiting another 10 months for
some new natural hair!
  T Yvette.

  southsaul <southsaul@yahoo.: <mailto:southsaul%40yahoo.com> com> wrote:
  are there any natural hair stylists here in the nyc area?
  thanks, flora

  T. Yvette
  "To be blessed, You must be a blessing!"

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Chris-

Thanks for the advice....it was the most helpful I've gotten thus far.  I've
been wondering for awhile how to achieve the slightly curled look....
Congratulations....5 years...what an achievement ..
Thanks again, flora
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-----Original Message-----
From: "christinette1027" <christinette1027@...>
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:10:47
To:BlackTresses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BlackTresses] Re: new member

Hi Flora,
  When I began my natural hair journey I was still permed, my hair was
  shoulder length. I began to do braid sets. I did this by shampooing
  & conditioning then cornrowing my hair all back while it's still
  wet. I first tried it on a Friday night that way I could work with
  it all day Saturday. That was 5 years ago and I'm still going
  strong! I love it, my last perm was September 2001 and I haven't
  looked back! So try a braid set. You can braid it wet, but make sure
  it's completely dry before you take it out. Don't comb or brush it,
  just take the braids out and use your hands to style it. Don't
  forget to moisturize. I hope this helps!

  Peace & Blessings
  Chris

  --- In BlackTresses@: <mailto:BlackTresses%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com,
"southsaul" <southsaul@...>
  wrote:
  >
  > hey you guys... i recently joined the group and i must say i had
  no
  > clue there was such a group out there...
  > i now have long permed hair (but has'nt been permed in about 10
  months)
  > and am now considering cutting it all off...
  > i'm interested if anyone has any ideas for styles...
  > i'm considering a textured fro... problem is the salon i want it
  done
  > at is very expensive and i'm not sure i can afford their
  maintenance...
  > so i'm wondering if anyone knows how to maintain this?
  > dont mean to ask too many questions but also does anyone know how
  the
  > fro is done? how do they get the little curls in the middle of
  the fro
  > and such? any help immediately would help... i need it done by
  friday!
  > thanks, flora
  >

Hi Flora,
When I began my natural hair journey I was still permed, my hair was
shoulder length. I began to do braid sets. I did this by shampooing
& conditioning then cornrowing my hair all back while it's still
wet. I first tried it on a Friday night that way I could work with
it all day Saturday. That was 5 years ago and I'm still going
strong! I love it, my last perm was September 2001 and I haven't
looked back! So try a braid set. You can braid it wet, but make sure
it's completely dry before you take it out. Don't comb or brush it,
just take the braids out and use your hands to style it. Don't
forget to moisturize. I hope this helps!

Peace & Blessings
Chris

--- In BlackTresses@yahoogroups.com, "southsaul" <southsaul@...>
wrote:
>
> hey you guys... i recently joined the group and i must say i had
no
> clue there was such a group out there...
> i now have long permed hair (but has'nt been permed in about 10
months)
> and am now considering cutting it all off...
> i'm interested if anyone has any ideas for styles...
> i'm considering a textured fro... problem is the salon i want it
done
> at is very expensive and i'm not sure i can afford their
maintenance...
> so i'm wondering if anyone knows how to maintain this?
> dont mean to ask too many questions but also does anyone know how
the
> fro is done?  how do they get the little curls in the middle of
the fro
> and such?  any help immediately would help... i need it done by
friday!
> thanks, flora
>

Hi Southsaul, I thought I would respond to your first message where you talk
about doing the BC (Big Chop) and then getting a texturized fro.  Let me start
by saying that a texturized fro is not natural.  This forum is mainly for those
who have decided to stop altering their hair with either chemicals or heat.  so
if you are looking for responses related to chemically altering your fresh BC,
this is probably not the place.  Not meaning to sound cruel or insensitive...all
that I say is with love in my heart.  Making the choice to be natural is a
choice that must be made when the time is right for you.  When you are ready to
experience your hair as it is untampered with, in it's natural state.  When you
stop wondering whether you hair is acceptable because your coil is toooooo tight
(ya know mother Africa, on the struggle, ya hair is holding up the black power
fist)  I would advise you not to take the BC if you plan on altering your hair
again by texturizing it.  You have
  gone 10 months without a relaxer and you are thinking of ruining all that new
growth with a perm...oh excuse me texturizer (lye is lye)  There are ways to
achieve that desired look without going to the extreme of texturizing.  I
personally am loc'd.  I rocked a funky Kobe Bryant Fro for a couple of months
before loc'ing, I do not have the absolute answer about having that curly look
you desire....But I would go to Napturality.com and join and talk to some
brothers and sisters there.  When I made my transition three years ago, I got a
lot of great advise there and some great resources as well.  You don't have to
wait and wait for responses either because there are probably already posts that
could assist you.

   Good Luck....
   Remember Lye is a Lie...Don't do it!  You'll be waiting another 10 months for
some new natural hair!
   T Yvette.

southsaul <southsaul@...> wrote:
           are there any natural hair stylists here in the nyc area?
thanks, flora






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hey you guys... i recently joined the group and i must say i had no
clue there was such a group out there...
i now have long permed hair (but has'nt been permed in about 10 months)
and am now considering cutting it all off...
i'm interested if anyone has any ideas for styles...
i'm considering a textured fro... problem is the salon i want it done
at is very expensive and i'm not sure i can afford their maintenance...
so i'm wondering if anyone knows how to maintain this?
dont mean to ask too many questions but also does anyone know how the
fro is done?  how do they get the little curls in the middle of the fro
and such?  any help immediately would help... i need it done by friday!
thanks, flora

are there any natural hair stylists here in the nyc area?
thanks, flora

I definitely plan to try the Tresses Tranzitions.  Sounds like an interesting
product and since I use Lottabody setting lotion religiously, I'm sure it will
be a keeper.

jbradsen <jbradsen@...> wrote:          Has anyone tried this product from
Lottabody? I get the Extreme
Curling gel from Walmart. With a little grease (indian hemp, hair
food, bergmot, etc) and this in the shower my hair looks so cute! I
recently cut all the relaxer out of my hair and now I'm wearing it
natural. I can't believe how much it curls up when its wet and
moisturized. The trick is to put it on in the shower. If you have
ever tried Pantene in the shower with soaking wet hair you may know
what I'm talking about. It almost looks like I have twists if I
don't comb it for a couple of days. Anyway, here are some links I
found that might be great for transitioning hair.

http://www.happi.com/articles/2005/04/ethnic-hair-care-room-for-
growth.php (This is where I found out about the gel I get at Walmart)

http://www.missjessies.com/ (Kind of expensive, but hey, I spent 50
bucks a pop on getting my hair done when it was relaxed. I pretty
much follow their "shingling" technique with the Tranzitions gel)

http://www.naturallycurly.com/phpBB/ (Found some good tips here)

http://www.africanwonders.com/ (I tried this way back when and it
worked wonders. Anyone else ever try it?)

Well, I'll look through the previous posts for a while. I'm always
in need to hair tips!

--Jenna






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Thanks for the tip! I never heard of the Lottabody Extreme Curl product and I
thought I had tried everything! I'll add it to my Wish List. Right now, I'm
switching between:

   Carol's Daughter
   www.caroldaughter.com

   Black Vanilla Leave-In (I think that's the name), Lisa's Hair Elixir (Very
Light Oil)

   -and-
   Jane Carter Solution
   http://www.janecartersolutions.com/home.html

   I've tried almost all of Jane Carter's products and they're awesome! I can
only find them at Whole Foods and online, but they're well worth the money. I
have very thick, curly hair (natural for almost 3 years - December 26, 2006) and
these products keep my hair very moisturized.




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Has anyone tried this product from Lottabody? I get the Extreme
Curling gel from Walmart. With a little grease (indian hemp, hair
food, bergmot, etc) and this in the shower my hair looks so cute! I
recently cut all the relaxer out of my hair and now I'm wearing it
natural. I can't believe how much it curls up when its wet and
moisturized. The trick is to put it on in the shower. If you have
ever tried Pantene in the shower with soaking wet hair you may know
what I'm talking about. It almost looks like I have twists if I
don't comb it for a couple of days. Anyway, here are some links I
found that might be great for transitioning hair.

http://www.happi.com/articles/2005/04/ethnic-hair-care-room-for-
growth.php (This is where I found out about the gel I get at Walmart)

http://www.missjessies.com/ (Kind of expensive, but hey, I spent 50
bucks a pop on getting my hair done when it was relaxed. I pretty
much follow their "shingling" technique with the Tranzitions gel)

http://www.naturallycurly.com/phpBB/ (Found some good tips here)

http://www.africanwonders.com/ (I tried this way back when and it
worked wonders. Anyone else ever try it?)

Well, I'll look through the previous posts for a while. I'm always
in need to hair tips!

--Jenna

I AM A LICENSED COSMETOLOGIST AND I DO BEAUTIFUL SEW IN'S AND KINKY
TWIST,QUICK WEAVES, SEW IN WEAVES,RELAXERS, MICRO BRAIDS, MOHAWK
BRAIDS AND A HOST OF OTHER BRAIDING STYLES FROM MONDAY-FRIDAY FROM
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SUNDAY APPOINTMENT BY SPECIAL REQUEST
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KEISHA

Well...yesterday..I got my first "Natural Trim".. My hairdresser said my
scalp looked great, cause there were NO dry patches  or scabs from my
excessive scratching...Which I was so happy to here.

I also got my shipment of Curly Hair Solutions Silk Leave-in Conditioner .
and I must say...I LOVE IT..My hair felt very soft and springy...and it's
Cone" free.

I have been Natural since July 22, and I haven't looked back.

LaMonica
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Until There's A Cure
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if everyone had their throats slit"
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You stated that Olive oil doesn't work for you hair.  I know that
Olive oil doesn't work for me.  It left my hair crunchy.  The only way
that it worked for me is if I slather it on my hair.  That's a no go
for day to day.  So, I turned to coconut oil.  It made a huge
difference my my hair.  I use it for hot oil treatments and in my some
conditioners as a leave-in. I also use aura cacia sweet almond oil
everyday.  This oil I use to nourish my hair.  Now as for skin, I use
unrefine shea butter.  If you whip the shea butter to a thinner
consistency you may fine that it may work for you.  Don't totally give
up on oils.  Not all oils are created equal in terms of what is best
for you.  If you can purchase oil(s) as a sample to try do so. This
may be the best way to test out what actually works.

















--- In BlackTresses@yahoogroups.com, "Anni" <kananse@...> wrote:
>
> I can believe it. Oils certainly don't work for my skin, and living
> in the land of olive oil, Spain, I have access to all types of
> olive, and it does nothing for my skin or hair. It makes my skin and
> hair oily but dry and crunchy. Though I don't like grease either.
> I'll try this vegetable glycerin. Do you think it will help skin as
> well?
>
> Anni
>