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#471 From: isis feral <isisferal@...>
Date: Tue Jun 3, 2008 3:02 am
Subject: LBAM event 6/5 Berkeley: Dan Harder, David Theodoropoulos, & Caltrans Workers isisferal
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East Bay Pesticide Alert / Don�t Spray California, Co-sponsored by the

Social Justice Committee of Berkeley Fellowship of Unitarian Universalists (www.bfuu.org), Present:

WHO�S AFRAID OF

THE LIGHT BROWN

APPLE MOTH?

Panel Discussion and Community Brainstorm about all aspects of the LBAM eradication program and possible actions to stop it

Thursday, June 5, 7pm
BFUU, 1924 Cedar Street (at Bonita) in Berkeley

(SCENT FREE, PLEASE)

The U.S. and California Departments of Agriculture want us to believe that the tiny, exotic Light Brown Apple Moth is a threat to our food supply and ecology, though it�s done no actual damage to crops nor forests, and there�s no evidence that it will. We�re told the pesticides they�re using are safe and environmentally friendly, but hundreds of people have been injured already, and pets, and hundred of birds have died. Take part in a brainstorm about what to do when this toxic pesticide program comes to your town, with:

Dr. Daniel Harder

Executive Director of the UC Santa Cruz Arboretum, Adjunct Professor of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology Department, Co-Author of the New Zealand report which contradicts the CDFA�s claims that the LBAM is a threat, and reveals that pesticides are the problem.

David Theodoropoulos

Biologist, Seedsman, and Author of �Invasion Biology: Critique of a Pseudoscience� which reveals the disturbing connections between invasive species councils and the pesticide industry.

and others, including

Caltrans workers poisoned by ongoing roadside spraying

IT�S NOT SAFE � IT�S NOT EFFECTIVE - IT�S NOT NECESSARY!

250 TWIST TIES PER ACRE / 3,000 UTILITY POLES & TREES PER SQUARE MILE / 693.8 SQUARE MILES BY PLANES / HOSING DOWN NEIGHBORHOODS

For more information: (510) 895-2312 or beneficialbug@...

www.DontSprayCalifornia.org

Labor donated

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#470 From: isis feral <isisferal@...>
Date: Sat May 31, 2008 12:06 am
Subject: Fwd: Environmental Health Network Picnics! isisferal
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Louise Yost <louyo@...> wrote:

Dear Friends,

Sorry for such a late notice. Our first picnic of the year will be on June
7, Saturday, at China Camp State Park in San Rafael at the Buckeye Point
picnic site. Drop in from 3-8pm & bring a yummy potluck with you, & a
frisbee, a lawnchair if you like, unscented sunscreen, & layers in case it's
cool. I'll send directions later.

Our July picnic is being negotiated now. I'd like to do it in the east bay
if possible, perhaps on July 19 or 20. I'll let you know more soon.

There's several events of interest coming up. On June 3, remember to vote.

On June 5, Max Ventura is organizing an LBAM Brainstorm Session in Berkeley
at the Unitarian Church on the corner of Bonita & Cedar Streets. The talk
is at 5-7pm & includes speakers Professor Carter from UC Santa Barbara, and
an expert on exotic pests.

On June 14 & 15, I am organizing an EHN literature table at the Fairfax
Ecofest indoors at the Fairfax Pavilion in Marin County. I need
tablesitters for the following hours:

Saturday, June 14 - 12-2pm
2-4pm

Sunday, June 15 - 12-2pm
2-4pm

Let me know if you can help out. It's a great way to meet people & to
network with other environmental groups that have booths there. I always
get a kick out of it.

On Wednesday, June 18 author Stacy Malkin will be talking about her new book
"Not Just a Pretty Face: The Ugly Side of the Beauty Industry". She appears
at Book Passage Book Store at 7pm in Corte Madera. Should be
scintillating.

Hope to see you soonish,

Louise-ish

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#469 From: "reneerose242000" <reneerose242000@...>
Date: Fri May 30, 2008 6:17 pm
Subject: Possible roommate situation for 2BR reneerose242000
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Would anyone want to consider looking for a 2BR in Peninsula?

Would also consider East Bay or North Bay but would have to be
a good situation to move there.

can call me 650.219.7566

irene

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#468 From: lorraine james <searchless1@...>
Date: Thu May 29, 2008 8:09 pm
Subject: re: weird spammer- Thanks Isis [EOM] searchless1
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love, peace & Blessings,
lorraine

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#465 From: "reneerose242000" <reneerose242000@...>
Date: Thu May 29, 2008 7:20 pm
Subject: Donate or selling used nebulizer reneerose242000
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Anyone know of a non-MCS person who would be willing to purchase a
used nebulizer?  Have gotten one as I did not think mouthpiece would
cause a reaction and am trying to see if I can get rid of it.  Also
wondering if I should just hang on to it and see if I can wait for it
to offgass.  It's just the mouthpiece and possibly the medication
chamber...  It's an Omron Elite Compressor.

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#464 From: isis feral <isisferal@...>
Date: Thu May 29, 2008 2:17 am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 185 isisferal
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That would be a spammer who has been unceremoniously removed from the list... Every once in a while someone signs up on various lists and sends a link like this, usually to a personals page. They don't get caught by spam filters, because they actually physically sign up to the lists.

If you see something like this, with just a link and some vague one liner like "you have a new message", "someone wants to be your friend", along those lines, just delete and ignore. They get removed right away. It doesn't happen too often, but if it does get more frequent, we can reconfigure the group so new members have to be approved first. If anyone has any strong feelings about this one way or another, let me know.

lorraine james <searchless1@...> wrote:

curious...who sent this?

love, peace & Blessings,
lorraine

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#461 From: isis feral <isisferal@...>
Date: Thu May 22, 2008 9:27 pm
Subject: LBAM event 6/5 Berkeley: Dan Harder, David Theodoropoulos, & others isisferal
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Apologies for the double mailing - I'm having Yahoo-related mailing issues and what I pasted previously did not get sent. With any luck, for those of you not able to receive attachments, here it is:

East Bay Pesticide Alert / Don�t Spray California, Co-sponsored by the

Social Justice Committee of Berkeley Fellowship of Unitarian Universalists (www.bfuu.org), Present:

WHO�S AFRAID OF

THE LIGHT BROWN

APPLE MOTH?

Panel Discussion and Community Brainstorm about all aspects of the LBAM eradication program and possible actions to stop it

Thursday, June 5, 7pm
BFUU, 1924 Cedar Street (at Bonita) in Berkeley

(SCENT FREE, PLEASE)

The U.S. and California Departments of Agriculture want us to believe that the tiny, exotic Light Brown Apple Moth is a threat to our food supply and ecology, though it�s done no actual damage to crops nor forests, and there�s no evidence that it will. We�re told the pesticides they�re using are safe and environmentally friendly, but hundreds of people have been injured already, and pets, and hundred of birds have died. Take part in a brainstorm about what to do when this toxic pesticide program comes to your town, with:

Dr. Daniel Harder

Executive Director of the UC Santa Cruz Arboretum, Adjunct Professor of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology Department, Co-Author of the New Zealand report which contradicts the CDFA�s claims that the LBAM is a threat, and reveals that pesticides are the problem.

David Theodoropoulos

Biologist, Seedsman, and Author of �Invasion Biology: Critique of a Pseudoscience� which reveals the disturbing connections between invasive species councils and the pesticide industry.

and others, including

Caltrans workers poisoned by ongoing roadside spraying

IT�S NOT SAFE � IT�S NOT EFFECTIVE - IT�S NOT NECESSARY!

250 TWIST TIES PER ACRE / 3,000 UTILITY POLES & TREES PER SQUARE MILE / 693.8 SQUARE MILES BY PLANES / HOSING DOWN NEIGHBORHOODS

For more information: (510) 895-2312 or beneficialbug@...

www.DontSprayCalifornia.org

Labor donated

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#459 From: isis feral <isisferal@...>
Date: Wed May 21, 2008 1:42 pm
Subject: Fwd: Vegan Reader's zero tolerance for toxins isisferal
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Forwarded from Mim, Vegan Reader (www.veganreader.com)


Vegan Reader supports a ZERO tolerance for toxins approach to farming,
gardening, home maintenance and life in general in California. Maxina
Ventura knows what she is talking about when she says all of CDFA's
proposed methods are toxic to us. Their ground methods are also a
deadly threat to birds and wildlife, food and water. We don't need
them, and we join with Max in urging all of the groups fighting the
aerial spraying to expand their protest to include the entire LBAM
program.

It is diverse plantings, healthy soils and skilled stewardship of the
the lands that are needed to keep our state balanced. Not the lazy and
deadly approach of chemicals. My American Indian ancestors farmed the
Americas for thousands of years without chemicals. Do you know what
the Inca empire eradicated? Hunger. Their stores were overflowing
 with
food, and when my European ancestors arrived in the United States,
they said the land looked like a beautiful park. That was because the
early peoples had been lovingly maintaining the land for generations.
We can do the same, but only if we cut ties with toxins.

Last month, I was extremely disheartened to see Marin Organics
offering to cover their own farms with toxins if only CDFA wouldn't
aerially spray. Please, groups and people, don't make deals with the
devil. If we are to be the phoenix rising from the ashes of our ruined
and toxic lands, let's make sure none of our feathers are coated with
chemicals.

I am so grateful for the heroic efforts being made by each and every
one of you.

Mim

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#458 From: isis feral <isisferal@...>
Date: Wed May 21, 2008 7:52 am
Subject: Fwd: Doodle: "Stop The Spray Summit" isisferal
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For anyone interested in participating in this important discussion, please select some days that you can commit to meeting.

"John @ StopTheSpray.ORG" <john@...> wrote:

Folks,

Please follow the attached link to the doodle page for selecting the day of
our Stop The Spray Summit. Please select ALL days that are available to you,
and include your name or email so I can recognize you.

http://www.doodle.ch/bmm8qicp85nhfkzn

If you have any questions, comments, etc. Just drop me an email, or you can
call at 831-440-8935.

I received a lot of great emails and suggestions already. I am really
looking forward to this meeting. I think it is going to be an amazing
experience.

In solidarity,

John

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#457 From: Laura X -MB- <laurax@...>
Date: Tue May 20, 2008 1:08 pm
Subject: Aerial spraying: use this letter any way you like laurax@...
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Dear friends,

PLEASE read my friend Donna's carefully researched letter on the proposed aerial spraying of the Bay Area, and to USE the info any way you like to spread the word, or to protest to our elected representatives. LIST BELOW IS A KEEPER FOR FUTURE

Kalli Rose Halvorson

yes, of course -- Please forward it and tell people to use it any way they

want to stop the spraying. This is seriously the most important

health/ecological threat we face. I forgot to add immune-compromised and

cancer and pulmonary patients to list of high risks.

(I heard all this on the radio and just distilled what I heard. The bee

aspect is unspeakable. The two KGO women talkers are awesome; they're

drumming info into public consciousness).

Dear Kalli,

Here's my fax to state and federal reps. It's a summary statement of

the

arial spraying plan to date. An anti-spray walk across the GG Bridge

scheduled for May31, and June 8 there's an anti-spray concert in

Sausalito.

Nothing happening in the East Bay -- but hope mothers and kids get

organized

fast. People can feel free to copy this letter (maybe shorten it!)

and send

it to the list, below, or make phone calls. Keep up to date, learn all

details on KGO radio, 810 am, Saturday mornings 8 a.m. (Joannie

Greggins),

and M-F 10 p.m. (Christine Craft, this week and next). Online, check

out:

http://www.lbamspray.com/

http://www.cassonline.org/

TO: The Honorable Dianne Feinstein

RE: Spraying for Light Brown Apple Moth in Bay Area

I would like to voice my strong opposition to the CDFA's planned ari

gassing of the San Francisco Bay Area with an untested chemical,

Checkmate

LBAM pesticide. As you know, two judges in Monterey County have ruled

against the spraying until environmental impact tests are done,

stating that

no emergency has been demonstrated. (The state contends that the

presence of

the moth constitutes an emergency, thus justifying their breaking at

least

29 state and federal laws, as well as flouting the CA constitution and

international human rights laws). The environmental test is not

being done

by an independent lab in California, nor by UC entomologists, but is

curiously being outsourced to a private contractor in Texas. The

people of

the Bay Area are not willing to sacrifice their health, their

organics,

their ecology, and their local real estate and tourist economy over

a NAFTA

dispute, if that is the real reason. The microcapsules that the

pesticide is

encased in are 10 microns, small enough to become lodged in deep

lung tissue

according to the American Lung Assoc. Only 17% contains pheromones;

the

remaining 83% is composed of inerts, consisting of toxic chemicals

that are

known carcinogens, hormone interrupters, mutagens, and some

proprietary

secret ingredients. (Citizens will collect the goo if they spray and

have it

identified in a lab; thus all ingredients will be known and made

public if

they go through with this). Small pets and animals, wildlife, sea

and song

birds will be killed by this stuff, as they were in Santa Cruz. Bees

will

carry the microcapsules (the size of pollen) back to their hives and

the

colonies will be wiped out. The bee population in the US is dying off

rapidly, and we have already lost 1/3 of our bees; bees pollinate

90% of

California crops. This spray will finish them off. Pregnant women,

babies

and children, and senior citizens are at high risk. Review the

evidence from

the Santa Cruz experiment last year, and study the real science of

integrated pest management. Imagine cats covered in lethal yellow

glue that

they then lick, children playing in grass marinated in

microcapsules, and

this toxic brew floating or sinking in the bay. They plan to gas us

3-6

times a month for up to 10 years. The microcapsules take 30-90 days

to break

down in our bodies. It is illegal for them to arial spray this stuff

workers in the field, but they can spray densely populated urban

areas with

untested chemicals with impunity, it seems. California will become a

cruel

perversion and mockery of the "Green" movement if this is

allowed. Do not

permit the Bay Area to become an EPA Superfund site and a giant

funeral

mound. As several KGO talk show hosts have stated, "THIS IS CRIMINAL

___________________________

P.S. It is particularly bewildering to learn that the chief expert

of the

CDFA has no degrees in science, entomology, toxicology, or public

health.

His sole degree is a B.A. in comparative literature. Another

interesting

twist is that Cupertino, Sunnyvale, and the governor's new property

Carmichael will not be arially sprayed, but rather will have twist

ties of

pheromones attached to their residential trees. Who rates ties, who is

gassed?

CALL OR WRITE THE FOLLOWING:

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger

State Capitol Building Sacramento CA 95814 Phone: 916-445-2841 Fax:

916-558-3160 http://www.governor.ca.gov/

Senator Joe Simitian State Capitol, Room 2080 Sacramento, CA 95814

Phone:

916-651-4011 Fax: 916-323-4529 Senator.Simitian@...

Assemblymember John Laird State Capitol P.O. Box 942849 Sacramento, CA

94249-0027 Phone: 916-319-2027 Fax: 916-319-2127

Assemblymember.Laird@...

Senator Dianne Feinstein 331 Hart Senate Office Bldg. Washington,

D.C. 20510

Phone: 202-224-3841 Fax: 202-228-3954 http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/

Secretary A.G. Kawamura, Calif. Dept. of Food & Agriculture 1220 N

Street,

Suite 400 Sacramento, CA 95814 akawamura@...

Senator Barbara Boxer 112 Hart Senate Office Bldg. Washington, D.C.

20510

Phone: 202-224-3553 Fax: 202-228-2382 http://www.boxer.senate.gov/

U.S. Representative Sam Farr 1221 Longworth House Office Bldg.

Washington,

D.C. 20514 Phone: 202-225-2861 Fax: 202-225-6791

samfarr@...

Senator Abel Maldonado 590 Calle Principal Monterey, CA 93940 Fax:

831-657-6320 Phone: 831-657-6315 senator.maldonado@...

www.sfgov.org

1 Carlton B Goodlett Pl

San Francisco, CA 94102 (415) 554-5184

Assemblymember.jones@... Assemblymember.Mendoza@...

Assemblymember.Galgiani@...

Assemblymember.dymally@... Assemblymember.Fuller@...

Assemblymember.Berryhill@...

Assemblymember.lamalfa@... Assemblymember.Parra@...

Nancy Pelosi: 415-556-4862;

Mark Leno: 415-557-3013

Gene Mullin: 650-349-1900

Leland Yee: 415-557-2312

BERKELEY CITY CONTACTS

Berkeley http://www.ci.berkeley.ca.us/ population (2006): 101,555

Mayor Tom Bates (510) 981-7100 mayor@...

Councilmember Linda Maio (District 1) (510) 981-7110 lmaio@...

Councilmember Darryl Moore (District 2) (510) 981-7120

dmoore@... Councilmember Max Anderson (District 3) (510)

981-7130 manderson@... Councilmember Dona Spring

(District 4)

(510) 981-7140 spring@... Councilmember Laurie Capitelli

(District 5) (510) 981-7150 lcapitelli@...

Councilmember Betty

Olds (District 6) (510) 981-7160 olds@...

Councilmember Kriss

Worthington (District 7) (510) 981-7170 kworthington@...

Councilmember Gordon Wozniak (District 8) (510) 981-7180

gwozniak@... City Manager (510) 981-7000 FAX: (510) 981-7099

manager@... City Attorney (510) 981-6950

attorney@... Public Health Division (510) 981-5300

FAX: (510)

981-5395 publichealth@... Environmental Health

Division (510)

981-5310 FAX: (510) 981-5305 envhealth@...

Assemblymember Loni hancock

State Capitol P.O. Box 942849

Sacramento, CA 94249-0014

Phone: (916) 319-2014

Fax: (916) 319-2114

District Office

712 El Cerrito Plaza

El Cerrito, CA 94530 Phone: (510) 559-1406; Fax: (510) 559-1478

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Laura X, founder/director of the former
National Clearinghouse on Marital and Date Rape
Women's History Library
(510) 524-1582 Berkeley, Ca.
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#456 From: Laura X -MB- <laurax@...>
Date: Mon May 19, 2008 3:35 pm
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Michael Aroner-environmental indoor air quality laurax@...
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Hello,

Thanks to Bay Canary and to :Laura for forwarding this to me.

My contact info is:

Create Health

Michael Aroner

michaelaroner@...

Phone :510-812-6435

(Email is best usually)

I am out of town untill 5/27/08 but may see the email before to respond.

Best,

Michael

Laura X -MB- <laurax@...> wrote:

i am emailing him this, but he is outta town for a cupla weeks , laura

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>> his name is michael aroner, and create health is his company name
>> lemme know how it goes
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>> At 10:30 PM +0000 5/8/08, reneerose242000 wrote:
>> >Does anyone know if there is a contact for this person? I found
>out
>> >his name from another EI and she did not have a new number for him.
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>> >He was in Berkeley with something called Healthy Homes and
>apparently
>> >helps people with indoor air quality issues. Not sure if this is
>the
>> >same org that Michelle Miller is associated with?
>> >
>> >I was thinking of having him come to my workplace and or father's
>house
>> >to see if he could make some good suggestions for improving the
>indoor
>> >air.
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#455 From: Laura X -MB- <laurax@...>
Date: Fri May 16, 2008 6:42 pm
Subject: Re: [bayareamcslist] michael aroner indoor air quality contact laurax@...
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Anyone know a current contact number for Michael in Berkeley?

he moved across the bay, and i forwarded your email to him because he is out of town for a coupla weeks, and doesnt respond to calls when he is away

laura

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#454 From: Laura X -MB- <laurax@...>
Date: Fri May 16, 2008 7:47 am
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i am emailing him this, but he is outta town for a cupla weeks , laura


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>I don't have an updated contact info for him.  I went to the website
>and the number is out of service.............................
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>>    his name is michael aroner, and create health is his company name
>>  lemme know how it goes
>>
>>
>>  At 10:30 PM +0000 5/8/08, reneerose242000 wrote:
>>  >Does anyone know if there is a contact for this person?  I found
>out
>>  >his name from another EI and she did not have a new number for him.
>>  >
>>  >He was in Berkeley with something called Healthy Homes and
>apparently
>>  >helps people with indoor air quality issues.  Not sure if this is
>the
>>  >same org that Michelle Miller is associated with?
>>  >
>>  >I was thinking of having him come to my workplace and or father's
>house
>>  >to see if he could make some good suggestions for improving the
>indoor
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#453 From: cherielj <cherielj@...>
Date: Fri May 16, 2008 7:42 am
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I am very sorry you were poisoned by a Shaw carpet, Irene. If you read my message, I specifically noted that the particular carpet was free of stain resistant treatment. Not all Shaw carpets are free of such treatment. Mine had to be specially ordered. Because it was specially ordered chemical free, it did not even need to be outgassed.

Cheriel

-----Original Message-----

I was poisoned by an improperly outgassed Shaw carpet and ensuing methods to stop the outgassing and I also echo Iris' comments that you stay far away from carpets period.

irene

>> cherielj <cherielj@...> wrote: Valerie,
>>
>> A few years ago I installed Shaw short nylon carpeting free of
> stain resistance treatment. It was the only wall-to-wall carpeting I
> could find without chemical treatment. I am chemically sensitized,
> but found this carpet was fine for me. Because each of us is
> different in the substances to which we are allergic, I would
> recommend actually asking to visit an installation of the same carpet
> and underlayment before you buy. The carpet was installed with
> stretcher strips rather than glue, a method I had to insist upon and
> make a condition of the sale. (It is more difficult to install this
> way.) Some people are very allergic to latex and some are very
> allergic to wool. Natural products are not necessarily tolerable for
> anyone with MCS. Nothing is for sure, and we also change in our
> sensitivities. Visit an installation of the exact thing before you
> choose. Thank goodness you have a choice. With efficient detox, I
> have reduced my level of sensitivity quite a bit. This
>> solution may not serve you, if you haven't yet detoxed enough.
>>
>> For those who haven't been able to detox sufficiently, a tile floor
> with washable cotton rugs is generally a safer choice, especially in
> the long run, because the rugs can be washed and hung in the sun for
> extra cleaning. The Jacksonville study found that people tracked in
> pesticide whether or not they knew of any pesticide use nearby, so it
> is important to be able to wash carpets frequently and hang them out.
>>
>> Cheriel Jensen

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#452 From: "Valerie Igl" <valigl@...>
Date: Tue May 13, 2008 11:30 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Carpet recommendations valigl
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Thanks everyone for your efforts.  I forwarded all your replies to my
mother-in-law.  She ended up putting in some area rugs on top of the
existing linoleum tiles.  I am sure that your emails helped.  Thanks again!

VALERIE
VALIGL@...

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>I was poisoned by an improperly outgassed Shaw carpet and ensuing
> methods to stop the outgassing and I also echo Iris' comments that
> you stay far away from carpets period.
>
> irene
>
>
> --- In BayCanaryGrapevine@yahoogroups.com, isis feral <isisferal@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> I have to echo the tile and washable rug recommendation. I know a
> lot of people are very attached to the idea of carpet, but having
> been poisoned by carpet repeatedly, I would really urge your mother-
> in-law to stay far away from the whole concept. It's not worth the
> risk. Even if you don't have an immediate reaction, it may have long-
> term impacts.
>>
>> The carpet my landlord installed, incidentally, is one of
> Shaw's "green" carpets. Short nylon, supposedly no treatments (and
> the stains on it, might confirm this). It smells like someone wrapped
> the entire building into thick pantyhose, and it clearly has a
> neurological effect on me, though somewhat less violent than the more
> toxic carpets. I think the mice might live, but this canary has had
> to tape shut the door, and even the light switch that shares a wall
> with the hallway, because the carpet fumes are seeping in.
>>
>>
>> cherielj <cherielj@...> wrote: Valerie,
>>
>> A few years ago I installed Shaw short nylon carpeting free of
> stain resistance treatment.  It was the only wall-to-wall carpeting I
> could find without chemical treatment.  I am chemically sensitized,
> but found this carpet was fine for me.  Because each of us is
> different in the substances to which we are allergic, I would
> recommend actually asking to visit an installation of the same carpet
> and underlayment before you buy.   The carpet was installed with
> stretcher strips rather than glue, a method I had to insist upon and
> make a condition of the sale.  (It is more difficult to install this
> way.)  Some people are very allergic to latex and some are very
> allergic to wool.  Natural products are not necessarily tolerable for
> anyone with MCS.  Nothing is for sure, and we also change in our
> sensitivities.  Visit an installation of the exact thing before you
> choose.  Thank goodness you have a choice.  With efficient detox, I
> have reduced my level of sensitivity quite a bit.  This
>>  solution may not serve you, if you haven't yet detoxed enough.
>>
>> For those who haven't been able to detox sufficiently, a tile floor
> with washable cotton rugs is generally a safer choice, especially in
> the long run, because the rugs can be washed and hung in the sun for
> extra cleaning.  The Jacksonville study found that people tracked in
> pesticide whether or not they knew of any pesticide use nearby, so it
> is important to be able to wash carpets frequently and hang them out.
>>
>> Cheriel Jensen
>>
>>
>>         carpet recommendations
>>         Posted by: "Valerie Igl" valigl@...   valigl
>>         Sun May 4, 2008 11:28 pm (PDT)
>>         Hello all!
>>
>>         My mother-in-law has been fixing up her guest room, where I
> typically stay
>>         over the winter holidays. She has already painted, and
> wants to put in
>>         carpet. She is open to my recommendations. Is there
> anything I can tell
>>         her about "better" materials to use for carpet, and backing?
>>
>>         Thanks for your help.
>>
>>         VALERIE
>>         VALIGL@...
>>
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#451 From: "reneerose242000" <reneerose242000@...>
Date: Tue May 13, 2008 10:04 pm
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I was poisoned by an improperly outgassed Shaw carpet and ensuing
methods to stop the outgassing and I also echo Iris' comments that
you stay far away from carpets period.

irene


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wrote:
>
> I have to echo the tile and washable rug recommendation. I know a
lot of people are very attached to the idea of carpet, but having
been poisoned by carpet repeatedly, I would really urge your mother-
in-law to stay far away from the whole concept. It's not worth the
risk. Even if you don't have an immediate reaction, it may have long-
term impacts.
>
> The carpet my landlord installed, incidentally, is one of
Shaw's "green" carpets. Short nylon, supposedly no treatments (and
the stains on it, might confirm this). It smells like someone wrapped
the entire building into thick pantyhose, and it clearly has a
neurological effect on me, though somewhat less violent than the more
toxic carpets. I think the mice might live, but this canary has had
to tape shut the door, and even the light switch that shares a wall
with the hallway, because the carpet fumes are seeping in.
>
>
> cherielj <cherielj@...> wrote: Valerie,
>
> A few years ago I installed Shaw short nylon carpeting free of
stain resistance treatment.  It was the only wall-to-wall carpeting I
could find without chemical treatment.  I am chemically sensitized,
but found this carpet was fine for me.  Because each of us is
different in the substances to which we are allergic, I would
recommend actually asking to visit an installation of the same carpet
and underlayment before you buy.   The carpet was installed with
stretcher strips rather than glue, a method I had to insist upon and
make a condition of the sale.  (It is more difficult to install this
way.)  Some people are very allergic to latex and some are very
allergic to wool.  Natural products are not necessarily tolerable for
anyone with MCS.  Nothing is for sure, and we also change in our
sensitivities.  Visit an installation of the exact thing before you
choose.  Thank goodness you have a choice.  With efficient detox, I
have reduced my level of sensitivity quite a bit.  This
>  solution may not serve you, if you haven't yet detoxed enough.
>
> For those who haven't been able to detox sufficiently, a tile floor
with washable cotton rugs is generally a safer choice, especially in
the long run, because the rugs can be washed and hung in the sun for
extra cleaning.  The Jacksonville study found that people tracked in
pesticide whether or not they knew of any pesticide use nearby, so it
is important to be able to wash carpets frequently and hang them out.
>
> Cheriel Jensen
>
>
>         carpet recommendations
>         Posted by: "Valerie Igl" valigl@...   valigl
>         Sun May 4, 2008 11:28 pm (PDT)
>         Hello all!
>
>         My mother-in-law has been fixing up her guest room, where I
typically stay
>         over the winter holidays. She has already painted, and
wants to put in
>         carpet. She is open to my recommendations. Is there
anything I can tell
>         her about "better" materials to use for carpet, and backing?
>
>         Thanks for your help.
>
>         VALERIE
>         VALIGL@...
>
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>
>
>
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#450 From: "reneerose242000" <reneerose242000@...>
Date: Tue May 13, 2008 10:00 pm
Subject: Re: Michael Aroner-environmental indoor air quality reneerose242000
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I don't have an updated contact info for him.  I went to the website
and the number is out of service.............................

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>
>   his name is michael aroner, and create health is his company name
> lemme know how it goes
>
>
> At 10:30 PM +0000 5/8/08, reneerose242000 wrote:
> >Does anyone know if there is a contact for this person?  I found
out
> >his name from another EI and she did not have a new number for him.
> >
> >He was in Berkeley with something called Healthy Homes and
apparently
> >helps people with indoor air quality issues.  Not sure if this is
the
> >same org that Michelle Miller is associated with?
> >
> >I was thinking of having him come to my workplace and or father's
house
> >to see if he could make some good suggestions for improving the
indoor
> >air.
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Laura X, founder/director of the former
> National Clearinghouse on Marital and Date Rape
> Women's History Library
> (510) 524-1582  Berkeley, Ca.
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#449 From: isis feral <isisferal@...>
Date: Tue May 13, 2008 12:31 pm
Subject: Fwd: Laundry help needed isisferal
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Louise Yost <louyo@...> wrote:

----------
From: Selene B

I live in Berkeley and am currently without
washer/dryer access.

I would be happy to pay someone to do my laundry for
me or do my laundry at someone's house. (Or, if
anyone knows a wash and fold service that can do
fragrance-free, that would be an option, too. None of
the places I found in the yellow pages could
accommodate that request).

Selene
510-549-3709

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#448 From: Laura X -G4- <laurax@...>
Date: Sat May 10, 2008 12:45 am
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his name is michael aroner, and create health is his company name
lemme know how it goes


At 10:30 PM +0000 5/8/08, reneerose242000 wrote:
>Does anyone know if there is a contact for this person?  I found out
>his name from another EI and she did not have a new number for him.
>
>He was in Berkeley with something called Healthy Homes and apparently
>helps people with indoor air quality issues.  Not sure if this is the
>same org that Michelle Miller is associated with?
>
>I was thinking of having him come to my workplace and or father's house
>to see if he could make some good suggestions for improving the indoor
>air.
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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National Clearinghouse on Marital and Date Rape
Women's History Library
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#447 From: "reneerose242000" <reneerose242000@...>
Date: Thu May 8, 2008 10:30 pm
Subject: Michael Aronson-environmental indoor air quality reneerose242000
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Does anyone know if there is a contact for this person?  I found out
his name from another EI and she did not have a new number for him.

He was in Berkeley with something called Healthy Homes and apparently
helps people with indoor air quality issues.  Not sure if this is the
same org that Michelle Miller is associated with?

I was thinking of having him come to my workplace and or father's house
to see if he could make some good suggestions for improving the indoor
air.

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#446 From: isis feral <isisferal@...>
Date: Thu May 8, 2008 10:51 am
Subject: Toxic twist ties going up all over the place isisferal
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Please keep yourselves informed about the twist ties that have been going up in various areas around the greater Bay Area and beyond: Cupertino, San Jose, Sunnyvale, Fremont, Dublin, Pescadero, Half Moon Bay, San Rafael, Ross, Treasure Island, Moraga, Carpinteria, and Sonoma likely coming soon: http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/phpps/PDEP/lbam/twist_tie_treatment_maps.html

Be safe.

Isis

Pheromone-laced twist ties applied to combat moth in Santa Clara County

Bay City News Service
Article Launched: 05/05/2008 01:01:16 PM PDT
http://www.mercurynews.com/healthandscience/ci_9160337

The California Department of Food and Agriculture is applying pheromone-laced
twist ties
to a 27-square-mile area of northwest Santa Clara County today as part of the
state's
efforts to combat the light brown apple moth.
The pheromone on the twist tie is designed to disrupt the moth's mating cycle by
confusing male moths and making them unable to locate females. The pheromone is
specifically targeted to the light brown apple moth and is not harmful to other
organisms,
according to the department.
Twist ties will be applied in Cupertino, San Jose and Sunnyvale.
In Cupertino, the ties will be applied in an area around De Anza College and
south of
Interstate 280 in the area of Stelling Road and Greenleaf Drive.
In San Jose the ties are being applied in an area east of Lawrence Expressway
and north of
280 and in the area just south and west of Samuel Rogers Middle School.
In Sunnyvale the ties are being applied to an area bordered by Fremont Avenue,
Pauline
Drive, Carlisle Way and Dunnocy Way. They are also being applied to an area
around the
intersection of El Camino Real and South Sunnyvale Avenue.
A total of 45 light brown apple moths have been found in Santa Clara County,
according to
state agriculture officials.
The moth, a native of Australia, was first detected in California in early 2007.
It feeds off
of, and can seriously damage, more than 250 species of plants, including most of
California's agricultural crops.

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#445 From: isis feral <isisferal@...>
Date: Tue May 6, 2008 6:50 am
Subject: Re: Carpet recommendations isisferal
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I have to echo the tile and washable rug recommendation. I know a lot of people are very attached to the idea of carpet, but having been poisoned by carpet repeatedly, I would really urge your mother-in-law to stay far away from the whole concept. It's not worth the risk. Even if you don't have an immediate reaction, it may have long-term impacts.

The carpet my landlord installed, incidentally, is one of Shaw's "green" carpets. Short nylon, supposedly no treatments (and the stains on it, might confirm this). It smells like someone wrapped the entire building into thick pantyhose, and it clearly has a neurological effect on me, though somewhat less violent than the more toxic carpets. I think the mice might live, but this canary has had to tape shut the door, and even the light switch that shares a wall with the hallway, because the carpet fumes are seeping in.

cherielj <cherielj@...> wrote:

Valerie,

A few years ago I installed Shaw short nylon carpeting free of stain resistance treatment. It was the only wall-to-wall carpeting I could find without chemical treatment. I am chemically sensitized, but found this carpet was fine for me. Because each of us is different in the substances to which we are allergic, I would recommend actually asking to visit an installation of the same carpet and underlayment before you buy. The carpet was installed with stretcher strips rather than glue, a method I had to insist upon and make a condition of the sale. (It is more difficult to install this way.) Some people are very allergic to latex and some are very allergic to wool. Natural products are not necessarily tolerable for anyone with MCS. Nothing is for sure, and we also change in our sensitivities. Visit an installation of the exact thing before you choose. Thank goodness you have a choice. With efficient detox, I have reduced my level of sensitivity quite a bit. This solution may not serve you, if you haven't yet detoxed enough.

For those who haven't been able to detox sufficiently, a tile floor with washable cotton rugs is generally a safer choice, especially in the long run, because the rugs can be washed and hung in the sun for extra cleaning. The Jacksonville study found that people tracked in pesticide whether or not they knew of any pesticide use nearby, so it is important to be able to wash carpets frequently and hang them out.

Cheriel Jensen

carpet recommendations
Posted by: "Valerie Igl" valigl@... valigl
Sun May 4, 2008 11:28 pm (PDT)
Hello all!

My mother-in-law has been fixing up her guest room, where I typically stay
over the winter holidays. She has already painted, and wants to put in
carpet. She is open to my recommendations. Is there anything I can tell
her about "better" materials to use for carpet, and backing?

Thanks for your help.

VALERIE
VALIGL@...

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#444 From: cherielj <cherielj@...>
Date: Tue May 6, 2008 6:28 am
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Valerie,

A few years ago I installed Shaw short nylon carpeting free of stain resistance
treatment.  It was the only wall-to-wall carpeting I could find without chemical
treatment.  I am chemically sensitized, but found this carpet was fine for me. 
Because each of us is different in the substances to which we are allergic, I
would recommend actually asking to visit an installation of the same carpet and
underlayment before you buy.   The carpet was installed with stretcher strips
rather than glue, a method I had to insist upon and make a condition of the
sale.  (It is more difficult to install this way.)  Some people are very
allergic to latex and some are very allergic to wool.  Natural products are not
necessarily tolerable for anyone with MCS.  Nothing is for sure, and we also
change in our sensitivities.  Visit an installation of the exact thing before
you choose.  Thank goodness you have a choice.  With efficient detox, I have
reduced my level of sensitivity quite a bit.  This solution may not serve you,
if you haven't yet detoxed enough.

For those who haven't been able to detox sufficiently, a tile floor with
washable cotton rugs is generally a safer choice, especially in the long run,
because the rugs can be washed and hung in the sun for extra cleaning.  The
Jacksonville study found that people tracked in pesticide whether or not they
knew of any pesticide use nearby, so it is important to be able to wash carpets
frequently and hang them out.

Cheriel Jensen


         carpet recommendations
         Posted by: "Valerie Igl" valigl@...   valigl
         Sun May 4, 2008 11:28 pm (PDT)
         Hello all!

         My mother-in-law has been fixing up her guest room, where I typically
stay
         over the winter holidays. She has already painted, and wants to put in
         carpet. She is open to my recommendations. Is there anything I can tell
         her about "better" materials to use for carpet, and backing?

         Thanks for your help.

         VALERIE
         VALIGL@...

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#443 From: isis feral <isisferal@...>
Date: Tue May 6, 2008 5:05 am
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Hi Ishana.

So happy to hear from you, and that you're staying connected with us! I'm sending you lots of good thoughts, and wish you a safe and quick journey to your new home. Send us back a big bottle of the first fresh Vermont air you get a whiff of, and keep us posted on how you're settling in.

Isis

oneshiningmama <oneshiningmama@...> wrote:

Just posting to say thank you for all the simple question/answer notes
- from carpets to hair cuts! I am the mom fleeing from the spray...
at the moment driving across the U.S. in a truck and trailer with
daughter, hens, rabbits etc. to make a new home in Vermont. I can't
even use the bathrooms at the camp grounds - WITH my icanbreathe.com
carbon filter. If anyone wants to send good thoughts my way (quick
recovery from chem exposures) I would be thankful. I am the only
driver on this mission.
Today we stop for a whole day - in a safe house in Nebraska.
I will continue on this group, because I am learning so much, feeling
so supported, and missing my home.
Good Luck to everyone!
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Just posting to say thank you for all the simple question/answer notes
-  from carpets to hair cuts!  I am the mom fleeing from the spray...
at the moment driving across the U.S. in a truck and trailer with
daughter, hens, rabbits etc. to make a new home in Vermont.  I can't
even use the bathrooms at the camp grounds - WITH my icanbreathe.com
carbon filter. If anyone wants to send good thoughts my way (quick
recovery from chem exposures) I would be thankful. I am the only
driver on this mission.
Today we stop for a whole day - in a safe house in Nebraska.
I will continue on this group, because I am learning so much, feeling
so supported, and missing my home.
Good Luck to everyone!
Ishana

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#441 From: isis feral <isisferal@...>
Date: Mon May 5, 2008 8:53 am
Subject: LBAM movie night in Berkeley isisferal
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(SCENT FREE, PLEASE)

The U.S. and California Departments of Agriculture want us to believe that the tiny, exotic Light Brown Apple Moth is a threat to our food supply and ecology, even though it�s done no actual damage to crops nor forests, and there�s no evidence that it will. We are told the pesticides they�re using are safe and environmentally friendly, but hundreds of people have been injured already, and pets, and hundred of birds have died. Come listen to their stories, and participate in a brainstorm about what to do when this poisonous pesticide program comes to your town.

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#440 From: isis feral <isisferal@...>
Date: Mon May 5, 2008 7:27 am
Subject: Re: carpet recommendations isisferal
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Hey Val.

The only carpets I would recommend are organic wool, hemp, or other organic fabrics. I would urge her not to get any synthetic carpet. If you need ammunition of why not to compromise on this issue, show her the article by Cindy Duehring: http://www.holisticmed.com/carpet/ and show her the movie of the neurotoxic effects on a mouse exposed to new synthetic carpet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpLPoJXqfNw

There are a lot of synthetic carpets that are advertised as "green". Don't trust them! "Green" might be better for the earth, in terms of reuse and recycle, but can be devastating to health. There's no such thing as a healthy synthetic carpet. My landlord had such "green" carpet put into the hallway of my building back in the Fall, and I ended up with chemical burns up and down my legs for several months. I have to wear a gas mask to enter and exit my building now, because the fumes are still really intense. It takes years to offgas, and many carpets never do.

I don't know much about backing, but one thing to watch out for is that some of them are treated with anti-microbials, so always ask, and stay away from those. I've heard some people with MCS have had good luck with latex, but I've never tried it. I think there was a thread on this list a while ago about carpet... Go to the homepage (see bottom of this email), and do a search for carpet and see what comes up. I think some people had good input on backing.

Glue can also be an issue. There's no such thing as non-toxic carpet adhesive. Better to tack it down.

Safe, organic carpet is expensive. There are also other options for flooring, not many of them cheap either. My favorite flooring, which is probably not what your mother-in-law has in mind, is an earthen floor with radiant heat underneath. Depending on where she lives, there may be a natural building community she could consult with about this option. If this isn't too radical for her, I might be able to put you in touch with some builders in her area.

Good luck!

Isis

Valerie Igl <valigl@...> wrote:

Hello all!

My mother-in-law has been fixing up her guest room, where I typically stay over the winter holidays. She has already painted, and wants to put in carpet. She is open to my recommendations. Is there anything I can tell her about "better" materials to use for carpet, and backing?

Thanks for your help.

VALERIE
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#439 From: "Valerie Igl" <valigl@...>
Date: Mon May 5, 2008 6:26 am
Subject: carpet recommendations valigl
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Hello all!

My mother-in-law has been fixing up her guest room, where I typically stay
over the winter holidays.  She has already painted, and wants to put in
carpet.  She is open to my recommendations.  Is there anything I can tell
her about "better" materials to use for carpet, and backing?

Thanks for your help.

VALERIE
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#438 From: "reneerose242000" <reneerose242000@...>
Date: Fri May 2, 2008 11:35 pm
Subject: need referral to good acupuncturist or chiropractor reneerose242000
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...have had nerve sensitivity in right rib cage area mostly and some in
left rib cage, not sure if it from exposures...highly likely...right
side is more subject to the prickly pain than left don't know why...

email me privately
thanks

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I was poisoned by an improperly outgassed Shaw carpet and ensuing methods to stop the outgassing and I also echo Iris' comments that you stay far away from carpets period.

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I was poisoned by an improperly outgassed Shaw carpet and ensuing methods to stop the outgassing and I also echo Iris' comments that you stay far away from carpets period.

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