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Re: [BODY-UK] HELP NEEDED

Dear Deborah
Nice overview
Tracy




At 21:59 25/10/00 +0100, you wrote:
>Gemma - I too give these talks - hope some of these help - please contact me
>directly if you would like copies of some of my notes - Good Luck!
>
>Arguments against cadaveric donation (off top of my head)
>
>Belief that life support may be switched off before absolutely necessary
>(not true by the way)
>
>Defiling body - if particular religion believes 'body and soul' go onto
>'another place', then by removing part of the body we somehow interfere with
>this process.
>
>Many people are bothered by removal of cornea (eye) - deemed to be
>quintessential part of a person's personality and being. Almost everyone to
>whom I have spoken is squeemish about this concept (including medical
>students and experienced nurses)
>
>Many people hold the view (cruelly) that the donation/transplant program is
>somehow interfering with Darwin's 'Survival of the fittest' theory. ie that
>the weakest should be left to die out in order to keep the 'fittest' left to
>procreate.
>
>Expense - both in terms of cost of treatment and of Benefit payments to
>those who never manage to return to work (and by definition then contribute
>to the Health budget rather than drain it)
>
>Public are not aware of the actual process involved in removing
>organs/tissue for donation process, and have only Frankenstein-ien films as
>term of reference ('though the original version of Frankenstein (Shelly)
>was, ironically, not a horror story)
>
>There is an uneasiness felt in the concept that an organ recipient MAY
>inherit personality traits from donor (Media scare stories I guess -
>although see point immediately below - psycholigical problems CAN
>precipitate this very real belief)
>
>Recipients themselves may also develop psychological problems - ie if they
>discover that their transplanted organ was donated by the family of a child.
>
>Some negative Issues surrounding Live donation
>
>How would donor feel if transplant was not successful?
>
>How would recipient feel if donor developed serious health problems later in
>life - (and not only renal problems). ie how would recipient feel if
>donor's only remaining kidney failed and donor had to dialyse?
>
>Would recipient possibly feel permanently indebted to donor (ie - if I had
>accepted 'gift' from my mother how would our relationship change if I felt I
>could no longer argue with her etc etc)
>
>What if another member of family develops renal failure (ie what if mother
>of renal patient donates and then another of her children develops renal
>failure and no other family member is suitable donor)
>
>And on and on and on..... sorry but you did ask for the negatives - and in
>my experience these are the main areas of concern I have tackled in talks so
>far.....
>
>I would be interested to know how you fare!
>
>Best of Luck - Deborah
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gemma Chaloner" <TheDancer@...>
>To: <BODY-UK@egroups.com>
>Sent: 25 October 2000 19:35
>Subject: [BODY-UK] HELP NEEDED
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>> Hi everyone next week i have to give a talk at school on organ donation. I
>> present it as an argument with arguments for and arguments against. I was
>> wondering if any1 could give me some reasons for it and also against it. I
>> seem to have found lots for but hardly any against. I was wondering if you
>> could tell me the religions whihc are against it. Is is the johavhs
>> witnesses
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Love from
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>> Gemma chaloner
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Hi everyone next week i have to give a talk at school on organ donation. I present it as an argument with arguments for and arguments against. I was wondering...
Gemma Chaloner
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Oct 25, 2000
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Gemma - I too give these talks - hope some of these help - please contact me directly if you would like copies of some of my notes - Good Luck! Arguments...
Deborah Duval
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Oct 25, 2000
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Dear Deborah Nice overview Tracy ... BODY-UK-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: BODY-UK-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: BODY-UK-owner@......
Tracy Long
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Oct 26, 2000
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Gemma Chaloner wote ..... ... Well first good luck for your talk. Please do not take my word for Gospel (no pun intended, and if anyone thinks/knows I am wrong...
Reid, Fred
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Oct 25, 2000
10:17 pm

Hello Gemma, Welcome and thank you for your question to this Group. In fact Jehovah's Witnesses are not against organ donation and transplantation. This is...
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Oct 25, 2000
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Hi Gamma, This might now be true of Jehovah's Witnesses, I, read about the bloodless transplants, but it is only recently, I was on dialysis with a Jehovah's ...
Len Coe
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Oct 26, 2000
7:08 am

Hi everyone, I'm a newbie to this list although I've corresponded with a number of you for quite some time now. For those of you who don't know me, my name is ...
Paul Birchall-Hunt
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Oct 26, 2000
7:07 am

DearGemma Deborah has given you a very comprehensive list. Most of the arguments I have experienced are similar, and as I had some direct experience of heart...
Tracy Long
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Oct 26, 2000
10:33 am

Thank you Deborah and Paul for your kind remarks. However I am merely reporting what I believe to be correct information gleaned over the last 16 years. ...
body@...
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Oct 26, 2000
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My own experiences tell me that professionals in every walk of life lie for their own benefits. (not just politicians) I was told I was on the Transplant list...
Len Coe
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Oct 26, 2000
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Tracy - thanks for comment..all notes in response to Gemma's request made interesting reading... Deborah x ... From: "Tracy Long" <T.Long@...> To:...
Deborah Duval
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Oct 26, 2000
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John Evans wrote ... <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< In fact Jehovah's Witnesses are not against organ donation and transplantation. This is because all free blood is...
Reid, Fred
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Oct 26, 2000
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Hi! Its Basically, that they are against taking blood from another human being. Dialysis involves your own blood being taken through an artificial kidney and...
Len Coe
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Oct 26, 2000
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Gemma, I can't help much but you may like to see the following report on our site about different religion's views on transplantation (most if not all are for ...
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Oct 28, 2000
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