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Re: Big Book Study - Post #19

Did you say you wanted more promises? You say the ninth step
Promises are too far down the line to wait for? You say you need
some concrete evidence that all this Step work is going to be worth
YOUR PRECIOUS time?

Well, fear not friends, because the co-authors of the Big Book have
got you covered. For a limited time, and a limited time only,* they
have got some promises for you right now, right in Step Three. So
here's some:

Promises in Step Three:

1) Those who do not recover are people who cannot or will
not completely give themselves to this simple program.
(On men and women who are constitutionally incapable
of being honest with themselves). (58:1)

2) The result was nil until we let go absolutely. (From
trying to hold on to our old ideas) (58:3)

3) Without help it is too much for us. (On letting
go completely) (59:0)

4) But there is One who has all power-that One is God. (59:0)

5) Half measures availed us nothing. (59:1)

6) No one among us has been able to maintain anything
like perfect adherence to these principles. (60:1)

7) We were alcoholic and could not manage our own lives. (60:2)

8) Probably no human power could have relieved our
alcoholism. (60:2)

9) God could and would if He were sought. (60:2)

10) Any life run on self-will can hardly be a success. (60:4)

11) On that basis we are almost always in collision
with something or somebody, even though our motives
are good. (By running life on self-will) (60:4)

12) That, we think, is the root of our troubles. (On
Selfishness-self-centeredness) (62:1)

13) Our troubles, we think, are basically of our own
making. (62:2)

14) Above everything, we alcoholics must be rid of
this selfishness. We must, or it kills us! (62:2)

15) God makes that possible.(Getting rid of selfishness)(62:2)

16) There often seems no way of entirely getting rid of
self without His aid. (62:2)

17) Neither could we reduce our self-centeredness much
by wishing or trying on our own power. (62:2)

18) We had to have God's help. (On reducing
self-centeredness much) (62:2)

19) We had to quit playing God. It didn't work (62:3)

But thats not all!

Take step three before midnight tonight and receive a free, thats
right, FREE dose of gratitude. Now you don't have to wait till Step
9 for some amazement in your life. With step three you can start
amazing your friends and amazing your family too, starting today.*

Operators** are standing by.

Peace,

Danny S

* Offer expires if Step 4 is not begun immediately.

** Operators are sponsors who have experienced these same promises
by having turned THEIR lives and wills over the care of God. Light
bulbs, doorknobs and other earthly objects will invalidate this
offer. Offer void where prohibited by dishonesty.






Thu Aug 4, 2005 11:49 am

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No He isn't. But that's exactly how I've used him. That's exactly how I can STILL use Him, thinking its ok because I never used Him AT ALL while prior to...
Danny S
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Aug 1, 2005
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Did you say you wanted more promises? You say the ninth step Promises are too far down the line to wait for? You say you need some concrete evidence that all...
Danny S
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Aug 4, 2005
11:49 am

Very good Danny, very good! I especially like the disclaimers at the end: "* Offer expires if Step 4 is not begun immediately. ** Operators are sponsors who...
Larry C.
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Aug 4, 2005
5:50 pm

'Morning everyone :) We are on page 62, Paragraph 3. Here we find out the position that God will occupy in our lives: "This is the how and the why of it. First...
Jim K
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Sep 27, 2005
9:38 pm

Third Step Promises 1. Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path. (58:1) (So few in AA actually follow their path these days.) 2....
Danny S
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Sep 28, 2005
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<No study on Thursday and Friday - Thanksgiving holiday!> 'Morning everyone :) We are on page 62, Paragraph 3. Here we find out the position that God will...
Jim K
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Nov 22, 2005
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Thanks Jim: This part of the Big Book reminds me of the most profound theological concept I have ever heard and I heard it very early on in AA. That is "there...
James Flynn
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Nov 22, 2005
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That is right Jim. When I work with alcoholics who think they are atheists of agnostics, it really does work when we say that use their "own concept" of a...
Danny S
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Danny, I am sure your experience may be different, but I have not met too many oldtimers who still have a doorknob as their Higher Power. I have met numerous...
James Flynn
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Nov 23, 2005
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James Flynn <jdf10487@...> wrote: Danny, I am sure your experience may be different, but I have not met too many oldtimers who still have a doorknob...
Des Green
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Nov 23, 2005
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It is only my experience, thats true. But it is also the experience of the co-founder of the Program - as expressed in the Big Book, So I always feel in good...
Danny S
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Nov 24, 2005
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<<Above everything, we alcoholics must be rid of this selfishness. We must, or it kills us! God makes that possible.>> (62:2)>> >>What is the worst thing I can...
Danny S
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Nov 24, 2005
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I entered AA with litle true spirituality. I suppose I always believed in a God, I just didn't know who that was. So I entered AA with the HP concept, and...
bob durr
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Hi, A physical allergy coupled with a mental obsession is something I have to accept because it is only by accepting what the problem is I stand any hope of ...
Des Green
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Nov 24, 2005
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The symptoms of alcoholism are (1) the mental obsession for, and (2) the physical allergy to alcohol. Your relationship with God (or your lack thereof) is not...
Karen
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Nov 24, 2005
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Thanks Karen, It is thanks to people like yourself who have that no doubt - no nonsense - matter of fact faith that help people like me develop an...
Des Green
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Nov 25, 2005
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If I have no faith, belief or understanding of God does this disqualifyme as being a 'Real Alcoholic' and the years of accumulated debris culminating in my...
Danny S
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Thank God for that ! Remember folks - easy on the pies Des Danny S <danny@...> wrote: If I have no faith, belief or understanding of God...
Des Green
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Nov 24, 2005
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I just could not make the decision to turn my will and life over to God's care before understanding what they meant in the previous steps where they talked...
Danny S
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Nov 26, 2005
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Danny, This seems to be a never ending battle. People with problems other than alcoholism are eligible for A.A. membership only if they have a drinking...
Jocelyn
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Nov 26, 2005
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<<as long as treatment centers and physicians continue to combine alcoholism and drug addiction under "substance abuse" >> you seem to have a good handle on...
Danny S
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Nov 27, 2005
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There is no conflict, AA's who also have drug problem are welcome in AA, Drug Addicts who also have alcohol problems are welcome in NA, Alcoholics who are also...
James Flynn
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Nov 27, 2005
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This problem is mostly imaginary in my experience. People rarely find themselves in AA by accident.>> Sorry Jim. Although I respect your experience, maybe you...
Danny S
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Nov 27, 2005
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Jim, You are correct..in that All of these people are welcome in AA.. BUT... they must be "real Alcoholics" as defined in the Big Book. Hence the reason for...
Jocelyn
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Nov 27, 2005
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It is not our job in AA to diagnose any member ... and the treatment centers supposedly are qualified to do this.. >> I know what you are saying. I'll put it...
Danny S
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Nov 28, 2005
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Dear Jocelyn: Maybe you can call the director's of these treatment centers to complain. If they are inappropreiatly sending pure drug addicts to your AA...
James
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Nov 28, 2005
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Hi Jim, Larry C. here. I have read your suggestions concerning treatment centers and wonder this. Have you ever tried what you have suggested yourself? I can...
Larry C.
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Nov 28, 2005
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No Larry because I have no experience with meetings where people don't belong. In my experience of going to meetings (20 years now, sober for 18) drug addicts...
James Flynn
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Nov 28, 2005
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Jim, Thats why these places get tens of thousands of dollars... to see to it that their clients,in their fragile detoxing states, get to the right place to ...
Jocelyn
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Nov 28, 2005
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-BUT... they must be "real Alcoholics" as defined in the Big Book. Hence the reason for AA's singleness of purpose. NOT SO... Only the individual member can...
James
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