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Welcome everyone to the newest cycle of our Big Book Study! We'll be
examining the book very closely throughout the coming weeks. It is
important to note that we will examine this book from the standpoint
of a textbook.

I always like to note at this juncture that the title page has the
following subtitle:

"The Story of How Many Thousands of Men and Women Have Recovered from
Alcoholism", yes - Recovered! Now that usually opens a seething
couldron of debate ie: "Recovering" vs. "Recovered". The reason I
bring this up here is it is important to note that lasting recovery
(Recovered) is the result of what our book presents. Whether one
calls him/herself a "recovered-" or "recovering-" alcoholic is of no
consequence on this board. Let's try to limit our discussion to the
text. That debate® rages on at from time to time at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/recoveredalcoholics

(That is, if you care to get involved in it).

Turning the page to Roman Numeral v, the table of contents, let's
see how the book was laid out. Bill was an educated and intelligent
man. He was always taught to avoid repeating himself. However, he
also knew that he would have to make the same point repeatedly, but
in several different ways in order to get the point across. The
format of our book is very much like that of a textbook in this way.

The Doctor's Opinion and Bill's Story identify what the problem
is: "Powerlessness", and covers Step 1. The Doctor's Opinion,
written by Dr. Willam D. Silkworth, the doctor who treated Bill at
Towns Hospital (293 Central Park West at 89th Street in Manhattan)
was a part of the main text in the first edition of the book. It was
put into the Roman Numerals in the second edition on the advice of
literary experts of the time. (And, unfortunately, who reads those
Roman Numerals anyway!?!) The letter he provided was unsigned at the
time of the first edition as well. Dr. Silkworth was concerned about
his medical standing back in 1938 or so - the ideas were so radical
at the time that he was concerned about being ridiculed about his
ideas on alcoholism.

Chapters 2, 3, and 4 identify "The Solution", that we need "Power"
and cover Step 2.

Chapters 5, 6, and 7 identify the "Necessary Actions" to find that
"Power" and goes into the detail of Steps 3 thru 12.

Tomorrow we will begin on Roman Numeral xi the Preface to the Third
edition.

Please e-mail any questions to me at jknyc@... and please
pass it on so that others may enjoy what you have found!

Jim




Wed Apr 16, 2003 11:39 am

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Welcome everyone to the newest cycle of our Big Book Study! We'll be examining the book very closely throughout the coming weeks. It is important to note that...
Jim K.
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Apr 16, 2003
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From another group: A thought on the use of the word "recovered" on the title page...as has been noted, Bill was a well educated man, with a history in ...
Jim K.
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It's not my intention to be contentious here. Is there some historical information that backs this up or is it conjecture? I am very curious. There's a lot of...
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Apr 16, 2003
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This was conjecture that someone else in the other group brought up. Thought it would be fodder for discussion. I'm not too sure of thie interpretation - there...
Jim K.
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Apr 17, 2003
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I found your explanation very helpful, thanks - Dee "Jim K." <jknyc@...> wrote:From another group: A thought on the use of the word "recovered" on the...
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Apr 17, 2003
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Welcome everyone to the newest cycle of our Big Book Study! We'll be examining the book very closely throughout the coming weeks. It is important to note that...
Jim K
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Mar 11, 2005
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"The Story of How Many Thousands of Men and Women Have Recovered from Alcoholism" Subjective recovery is one...objective recovery is thousands. One man's...
Grant Moore
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Mar 11, 2005
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Welcome everyone to the newest cycle of our Big Book Study! We'll be examining the book very closely throughout the coming weeks. It is important to note that...
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Welcome everyone to the newest cycle of our Big Book Study! We'll be examining the book very closely throughout the coming weeks. It is important to note that...
Jim K
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Welcome everyone to the newest cycle of our Big Book Study! We'll be examining the book very closely throughout the coming weeks. It is important to note that...
Jim K
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Oct 27, 2005
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I am starting the think that the reason we sometimes admit we are "powerless over people, places and things" INSTEAD of admitting we were powerless of alcohol...
Danny S
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Danny, That is what happens when all you have to rely on is "synthetic knowledge". Fortunately some of us real alcoholics have been able to get it and pass it...
Jocelyn
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Oct 28, 2005
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I for one, am greatful for the repitition and the cliches. When I firs got to AA, it was nice to know that others were in the same boat and could relate to a...
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Panther, >> I cannot adamantly disagree. The clichés CAN be useful when they are symbolic of the principles they represent. Like the Flag. I can get all teary...
Danny S
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Hi, Keith! Good to see you here. Hope some others came over. BTW for all us BBSers, Jim posted a welcome on a beginners' site and I seconded the invitation. To...
Bill Triebe
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Oct 28, 2005
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Repetition is very important. Our text reinforces the key concepts through repetition, and prepares the serious and willing reader for the more demanding...
Dean M
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Oct 29, 2005
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Hi, Dean! Thursday, at a Speaker's Meeting, I heard the speaker say that-for him-the cliches were like railings for steps. I liked that. I'm not a big "slogan"...
Bill Triebe
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There are only THREE slogans in the Program of AA. The Fellowship has brought in many others SINCE, very many of which originate as "psych-speak" picked up...
Danny S
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I'm not sure what you mean by the "physical" capacity to stop. Could you elaborate? David ________________________________ ... From: pantherklutz To:...
DPH
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I believe Keith was referring to the phenomenom of "CRAVING" ~ the physical allergy to alcohol in the real alcoholic identified and named as such by Dr....
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Thanks. That is exactly what I was alluding to. Sorry if I jumped ahead. ... named...
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David - Dr. Silkworth's theory in the big book says as alcoholics, once we pick up the first drink, we develop a phenomenon known as 'craving' which, even if...
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Welcome everyone to the newest cycle of our Big Book Study! We'll be examining the book very closely throughout the coming weeks. It is important to note that...
Jim K
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Dec 27, 2005
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Thank you Jim! You know, a friend of mine, has been working on my website for last few weeks. We are good friends. He is an renegade-protégée of mine who...
Danny S
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Welcome everyone to the newest cycle of our Big Book Study! We'll be examining the book very closely throughout the coming weeks. It is important to note that...
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Welcome everyone to the newest cycle of our Big Book Study! We'll be examining the book very closely throughout the coming weeks. It is important to note that...
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If I'm not mistaken, this is the page that the circle and triangle use to be on also. If anyone wants to know why its not there anymore, I'll let someone with...
johnny
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Johnny, I assume you're referring to the title page, right? I'd like to know why the circle and triangle aren't there anymore. Not that I WANT them to be...
Karen
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Hello everyone, Inspired to jump on the gravy train or is it the "long and winding road" and actively participate this round. Making more changes in life!! ...
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