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Good morning all! [Sorry for the late post - all hell broke out here
at work this morning!]

There are a great many places that have marked AA's early history.
The Mayflower Hotel in Ohio is one. Towns Hospital at 293 Central
Park West at 89th Street in Manhattan is another. (Coincidentally I
used to live half a block down 89th Street from there). Stepping
Stones was the home in Bedford Hills, NY in Westchester County, just
north of New York City, where Bill and Lois lived. They moved there
in 1941. I was fortunate enough to meet Lois there in 1980. She
passed on in 1988. Stepping Stones has a website at
www.Steppingstones.org or drop in and see my friend Eileen G., the
director of the place. Another place is Bill's birthplace in East
Dorset, VT. The house is fully restored and a former pigeon of mine,
Dean M., can give you a detailed history of the place. Dean has been
doing service as the assistant manager of the place for many years.
Rooms are available to stay in for a reasonable cost. Dinners are
served family style and the food is great.

Bill and Lois are buried nearby. One of the most moving experiences
is to go to Bill and Lois' grave and read the touching notes and see
the pictures of children left there by those expressing undying
gratitude to Bill's work.

Page 164 - Paragraph 2 is a place where people will lift something
out of context in an attempt to prove a point. "Our book is meant to
be suggestive only. We realize we know only a little." Some people
seize upon this to mean that the instructions outlined in the book
are optional. (I wrote an article on this topic which has been
published in the April 2002 edition of The Grapevine
entitled "Spiritual Kindergarten" by Jim K. of Manhattan - a copy of
it is located in the "Files" section). What the first 100 knew only
a little about was the spiritual experience. They had the answer to
recovering from alcoholism. Keep in mind that Bill was sober only
four years at the time the book was written. The word "suggestive,"
in this context, means "a starting point," or "a beginning." It
means "an introduction to spiritual principles." AA is but a means
to the end of living a spiritual life. Our lives aren't meant to be
lived in AA but outside of it.

"The answers will come if your own house is in order. But obviously
you cannot transmit what you haven't got." The "2 step" trap -- to
carry the message effectively you need to have a message to transmit.

"Abandon yourself to God as you understand God (Steps 1, 2 and 3).
Admit your faults to Him and your fellows (Steps 4, 5, 6, and 7).
Clear away the wreckage of the past (Steps 8 and 9). Give freely of
what you find and join us (Steps 10, 11, and 12). We shall be with
you in the Fellowship of the Spirit, (The Fellowship of God) and you
will surely meet some of us as you trudge the Road of Happy Destiny.
May God bless you and keep you until then." In his classic style,
Bill sums up at the end.

On Tuesday, we will wrap up our study cycle with Dr. Bob's Story.

Tuesday afternoon we will post the Study outline/instructions.

Then on Wednesday, April 16th, we will begin a new study cycle.

Jim




Mon Apr 14, 2003 2:02 pm

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Good morning all! [Sorry for the late post - all hell broke out here at work this morning!] There are a great many places that have marked AA's early history. ...
Jim K.
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jknyc: thanks for all this great stuff.i have ben to dorset to bills house and to the graveyard.you are riht what a great experience. we were traveling and on...
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Good morning, One of the best things I have ever heard about this "suggested program of recovery" and the "optional" school of thought is this: The suggestion...
Linda E.
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My own experience is that this book tells me exactly how to recover from a seemingly hopeless state of mind and body. ************************** Yes it does. I...
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Good morning all! There are a great many places that have marked AA's early history. The Mayflower Hotel in Ohio is one. Towns Hospital at 293 Central Park...
Jim K.
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Good morning all! There are a great many places that have marked AA's early history. The Mayflower Hotel in Ohio is one. Towns Hospital at 293 Central Park...
Jim K
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I am very intrigued by the idea that the 1930s usage of the word "suggestive" fails today's definitions. It would be great if this were true, but I have not...
Danny S
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A lot of people get caught up in that last line on page 164, where it mentions trudging the road of Happy Destiny...in a newsletter from my home group a few...
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KEEP MOVING When in doubt do nothing. I have to laugh cause these two phrases came to me as I was looking at the subject. I find it very difficult to do...
Toni Mueller
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Suggest - according to A New Peerless Webster Home, School and Office Dictionary - copywrite 1938 by The World Syndicate Publishing Co. USA Introduce...
Linda
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Hey everybody! Hope this is a great day that reminds all of us of the wonder of being a perfectly imperfect human being. I always wanted to ask those folks...
Stephen Bordner
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Hi Stephen. I managed to read about 1/3 of your tome,.eeehr post. LOL. I will the read the rest tonight. Lot's of excellent thought provoking going on in it. ...
Danny S
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Hey Danny! Thank you for your attempt to muddle through my musings. I don't know what to tell you but to read Bills version of the writing of the 12 steps...
Stephen Bordner
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... Hi Steve, I think the claim here is a little exaggerated. I don't see where the book is trying to claim a greater effectiveness that what can be...
jim dailey
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Jim I stand corrected. I had never noticed that in my second edition. Thank you. I guess my question is now why they stopped doing that in the third and...
Stephen Bordner
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... The "Second Foreword" is in the Third and Fourth Editions where it is as likely to be read as any of the rest of our fine book. I'm afraid most members of...
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... Anyway as I looked at the introduction to the Personal Stories Section from the Second Edition we find very interesting numbers. Bill tells us there were...
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OYE VEY! Peace, Danny S ... below ... always ... quoted ... the ... doubt ... research ... passage ... in ... is. I ... Stories ... Bill ... histories) ... ...
Danny S
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... From Page 161 of AA Comes of Age: This particular evening, as my mind ran over these developments, it seemed to me that the program was still not definite...
jim dailey
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And I'm still muddling. :) <<There was never a golden age of AA, and there is always a golden age of AA, now.>> This is one of the most powerful statements I...
Danny S
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Precise (according to same 1938 dictionary previously cited): exact; strict; accurate; definite; adhering rigidly to rule; punctillious. precisely: in a...
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Thanks Linda. Very much Peace, Danny S ... punctillious. ... observances....
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Thanks Linda. Very much Peace, Danny S ... punctillious. ... observances....
Danny S
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Good morning all! There are a great many places that have marked AA's early history. The Mayflower Hotel in Ohio is one. Towns Hospital at 293 Central Park...
Jim K
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When I pointed out the "suggestions" bit to my first sponsors, they both told me "Yes, but for YOU, these are musts". What they meant was that since it was I...
Danny S
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Ah, yes! "Trudge the Road of Happy Destiny." When I entered upon the Steps of the Road, I looked up the word in my handy-dandy dictionary because I didn't care...
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I am an alcoholic AND I'm a trudge addict. I guess the definitions improved over time. I came into the fellowship limping, plowed along inch by inch, strode...
Danny S
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Thesaurus: TRUDGE: SYN=PLOD-to walk laboriously-heavily. I like yours much better Toni ... Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus...
Toni Mueller
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I have always told my sponsees that each of us is responsible for our own recovery. This means, first of all, that I cannot and will not keep them sober....
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