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Thanks Jim & Karen. What a wonderful phrase. "Our description of the alcoholic"

I --  like many still -- used to reject the idea that is a "real alcoholic" - an expression used by our co-founders to identify a particular entity of drinker, for whom AA was established to help. It is also referred to as an alcoholic "of our type", as distinguished from other types of drinkers.

The co-founders acknowledged, that "Most of us have been unwilling to admit we were real alcoholics". (30:0) apparently these people are SO unwilling to admit they are real alcoholics they don't even want "real alcoholics" to admit it either.

Now THAT'S what I call UNWILLING. If they can't admit it, perhaps because they don't qualify, JEEZE – at least be open-minded enough to allow ME to admit it.

 How many folks right now refuse to admit that they are "real alcoholics"? Too many I would guess. They don't like the terminology.

They insist there is no "REAL ALCOHOLIC."  But not everyone who has a problem with alcohol can become a member of AA. Only real alcoholics can. The very Fellowship to which we all claim allegiance insists this and builds its foundation of understanding of the disease upon that. Well, denial buffs, here is your prime specimen and the co-founders it pegged - 70 years ago.

And the reason is that "No person likes to think he is bodily and mentally different from his fellows". (30:0)

My very first words at a beginners meeting were
" My name is Danny and I am here to find out if I am an alcoholic."

Dr Phil, Orprah, my family, my doctor or even the "addiction model" from my local "Happy Acres" might think an alcoholic is someone who "drinks too much" and has "wrecked his health, finances and relationships" from drinking. But that is THEIR description of the alcoholic - it has no relevance in AA. Our Program is geared upon the founders description which NEVER resembles that of the contemporary pundits - on TV, in rehabs, online and sadly in AA meetings

Hell, the rehabs think an alcoholic is someone who chews oxycodone or shoots smack for kicks! Our failure rate is so high because it counts non-alcoholics trying to get and stay sober in Fellowship that was not designed to treat whatever it is they got.

Everyone who has an alcoholic problem, who wrecks his health and kills people with their cars and loses jobs through abusing alcohol cannot be alcoholic under "Our description". (60:2)

Precious few are.

Peace,

Danny S
http://recoveredalcoholic.blogspot.com

 



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Good Morning, everyone! Paragraph 2 on page 60 - original text in (parenthesis) and my editorial notes in [brackets]: "Our description of the alcoholic, [found...
Jim K
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Sep 6, 2006
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Thanks Jim & Karen. What a wonderful phrase. "Our description of the alcoholic" I -- like many still -- used to reject the idea that is a "real alcoholic" -...
Danny S
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Reading "our description of the alcoholic" finally made the years of insanity make sense. There was also relief in knowing that I was not alone in this .....
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Danny-- though I think I understand what you have intended to say here, there is no other requirement for AA membership that the one stated in the third...
Sophia Marcucci
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You did not have to correct me on the membership issue. It is in fact an issue which I constantly have to remind others with whom I work. People get the...
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Danny-- I apologize for the whole "correcting you on the membership issue" phrase-- I don't like it when people talk they way to me-- it has a kind of "talking...
Sophia Marcucci
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Sep 7, 2006
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“Hence we may refuse none who wish to recover." Notice the word “none” - which is different than “no one” “None” means we cannot refuse...
Danny
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Sep 8, 2006
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so that none is no one since we dont determine who is an alcoholic and who isnt. only they themselves can do that, says so in the big Book. we , me and you,...
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Our fellowship is incusive of all alcoholics only - it is exclusive of everyone else. You have heard of "Closed meetings" haven't you? Peace, Danny S ...
Danny S
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I didn’t think you were. I just figured a bad choice of words. I do it al the time myself. I’ve even been accused of being a horrible evil person forever...
Danny
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True, but I think Bill cleared up the issue in subsequent writings including this article: HYPERLINK ...
Danny
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Hey Sophia – I LOVE OPRAH. Just wanted to say that. LOL Even if she is a pushover for a good long drunkologue like James Freys. But then again, if you...
Danny
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Ha ha-- isn't that true!! Everyone loves a good story-- but i do better with truth--I too have yawned at many good, violent, dramatic, traumatic, drunkalogs....
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Absolutely. That’s why we get so many drunkolgues and war stories in meetings – that’s all the heavy drinker has when he is missing obsession, allergy or...
Danny
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Hi Jim and All Thanks again for this study. I´m re-reading it again. About "our personal adventures before and after": I would not underestimate the stories...
Paul S.
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Actually Paul, the personal stories aren't for us (AA Members). They were put into the book for new prospects who haven't yet joined because they haven't yet...
Danny S
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O.K. The personal stories in BB is not for us (anymore) They helped me when I read them as "beginner" Some of their experiences still help me. Teached me...
Paul S.
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I may read these story's in the back ; only read a couple , and to be honest I find them a bit boring. The fact is I couldn't do much reading at all when I...
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This business if whether the personal stories are "for us AA members" or for the "new prospects ..." really doesn't,matter one bit in the scheme of things. The...
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Hey Paul, I read the Jaywalker twice a year, I read all my books over and over. Joe _____ From: BBS_Open_Discussion@yahoogroups.com ...
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Me too. Although with numbers of men with whom I work it's probably more like 2X a week. But the Jaywalker is probably my least favorite story. I guess because...
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Good Morning, everyone! Paragraph 2 on page 60 - original text in (parenthesis) and my editorial notes in [brackets]: "Our description of the alcoholic, [found...
Jim K
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Good Morning, everyone! Paragraph 2 on page 60 - original text in (parenthesis) and my editorial notes in [brackets]: "Our description of the alcoholic, [found...
Jim K
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Bingo! This was extremely difficult for me to accept, and the acceptance of this fact is certainly a gift. I made a career out of self-pity and blaming...
Tom V
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Tom, if we are a real alcoholic self pity and blaming kills us. See Bob's post #19. We even steer away from righteous indignation... ... acceptance of this...
Trish H
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Good Morning, everyone! Paragraph 2 on page 60 - original text in (parenthesis) and my editorial notes in [brackets]: "Our description of the alcoholic, [found...
Jim K
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Good Morning, everyone! Paragraph 2 on page 60 - original text in (parenthesis) and my editorial notes in [brackets]: "Our description of the alcoholic, [found...
Jim K
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Jim, So is that the reason for the 4th, so that I can actually see the part I played in things? Greg...
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Greg, Old Pip, You seem to be asking quite a few questions and I note we have one here which is 'on topic' . Were are you at on this programme ? Doesn't...
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Nope, i'm finishing up 5 actually. Just like to get the opinion of others. ... one here which is 'on topic' . Were are you at on this programme ? Doesn't...
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