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Big Book Study - Post #39

Good morning all!

There are a great many places that have marked AA's early history. The Mayflower Hotel in Ohio is one. Towns Hospital - 293 Central Park West at 89th Street in Manhattan is another. (Coincidentally I once lived half a block down 89th Street from there). Stepping Stones was the home in Bedford Hills, NY in Westchester County, just north of New York City, where Bill and Lois lived. They moved there in 1941. I was fortunate enough to meet Lois there in 1980. She passed on in 1988. Stepping Stones has a website at www.Steppingstones.org or make an appointment to see it with the director of the place. Another place is Bill's birthplace in East Dorset, VT. The Wilson House ~ www.wilsonhouse.org ~ has been fully restored and a former pigeon of mine, Dean M., can give you a detailed history of the place. Dean has been doing service as the assistant manager of the place since 1995. Rooms are available to stay in for a reasonable cost. Dinners are served family style and the food is great.

Bill and Lois are buried nearby. One of the most moving experiences is to go to Bill and Lois' grave and read the touching notes and see the pictures of children left there by those expressing undying gratitude to Bill's work.

Page 164 - Paragraph 2 is a place where people will lift something out of context in an attempt to prove a spurious point. "Our book is meant to be suggestive only. We realize we know only a little." Some people seize upon this to mean that the instructions outlined in the book are optional.
(I wrote an article on this topic which was published in the April 2002 edition of The Grapevine entitled "Spiritual Kindergarten" by Jim K. of Manhattan - a copy of it is located in the "Files" section at the BBS home page). What the first 100 knew only a little about was the spiritual experience. They had the answer to recovering from alcoholism. Keep in mind that Bill was sober only four years at the time the book was written. The word "suggestive," in this context, means "a starting point," or "a beginning." It means "an introduction to spiritual principles." AA is but a means to the end of living a spiritual life. Our lives aren't meant to be lived in AA but outside of it.

"The answers will come if your own house is in order. But obviously you cannot transmit what you haven't got." The "2 step" trap -- to carry the message effectively you need to have a message to transmit.

"Abandon yourself to God as you understand God (Steps 1, 2 and 3). Admit your faults to Him and your fellows (Steps 4, 5, 6, and 7). Clear away the wreckage of the past (Steps 8 and 9). Give freely of what you find and join us (Steps 10, 11, and 12). We shall be with you in the Fellowship of the Spirit, (The Fellowship of God) and you will surely meet some of us as you trudge the Road of Happy Destiny. May God bless you and keep you until then." In his classic style, Bill sums up at the end.

With our next post, we will wrap up our study cycle with Dr. Bob's Story.

We will then post the Study outline/instructions.

On Friday August 11th we will begin a new study cycle.

Jim

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Wed Aug 9, 2006 12:09 pm

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George Orwell knew what he was talking about . David Jones <davidjones@...> wrote: George Orwell did refer to England as 'Airstrip...
Des Green
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Jun 14, 2006
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Good morning all! There are a great many places that have marked AA's early history. The Mayflower Hotel in Ohio is one. Towns Hospital - 293 Central Park West...
Jim K
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Aug 9, 2006
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Good morning all! There are a great many places that have marked AA's early history. The Mayflower Hotel in Ohio is one. Towns Hospital - 293 Central Park West...
Jim K
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Oct 5, 2006
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a visit to Stepping Stones is a treat and deserves more than one visit because before you know it your tour time is over - whew! been there and plan to go...
Janie
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Oct 5, 2006
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The word SUGGESTION has been seized upon for malleability. But PROPOSAL makes much more sense, even within context throughout our book. As some of you may...
Danny S
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Oct 5, 2006
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hmmmm almost had coffee on the screen Danny!!!!! i showed YOUR SUGGESTION to MY WIFE ans she PROPOSED what i do with it !!!!! was that what you meant ??? Danny...
pipesteve
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LMAO!! Hey I don't take credit OR blame!! I think I know just what she "proposed" you do with the "suggestion"! ... Peace, Danny S ...
Danny S
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Oct 7, 2006
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once again Jim (and Karen) thanks for your work here. i'm looking forward to the start of my next cycle thru. even Des is making more and more sense !!!!!...
pipesteve
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Steve , something is rubbing off , I'm actually feeling balance poking its head into my well being , it's true , it just keeps getting better. Thanks Des ...
Des Green
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... malleability. The way I heard it "These are suggested the same way that I'd suggest that you take a parachute with you, if you jumped out of an airplane." ...
Jay P. Hailey
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Oct 5, 2006
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The word 'suggestion' is a dangerous weapon in my local meetings , especially when used by empty headed gob shite long term sober members who are absolutely...
Des Green
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Oct 5, 2006
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I have never heard that Chapter 5 was rewritten for softer impact. In fact I have never heard of ANY part of ANY of the Program being altered in any way for...
Danny S
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Wow, take it easy Danny...I think Jay was referring to How it Works and the editing from Original Manuscript to First Edition. There are word changes that you...
Al
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Oct 6, 2006
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Wow, take it easy Danny.>> Huh? Peace, Danny S http://recoveredalcoholic.blogspot.com ... In ... altered ... out in ... something ... have ... it ... been ... ...
Danny S
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Oct 6, 2006
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Ooops . . sorry Jay. I just reread your post and you said you don’ know where you heard it. Which is probably just as well, since it’s bullshale anyway....
Danny
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Oct 6, 2006
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Well, I don't know. Only last night, in a closed meeting of AA didn't I hear a member of 8yrs or more say............................ " The steps are not...
Des Green
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yesterday i led a meeting in another fellowship on How It Works, and one person raised issue with it. yanno i didn't write the Big Book, i just followed...
Janie
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I used to wonder why we read "how it works" etc every time at a meeting. For years I slept/daydreamed through them. After a while, i realized that I could not...
Trish H
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Danny , wasn't there something about " Rarely have we seen a person fail" changed from NEVER have we seen a person fail ?>> Des Yes. They had NEVER seen a...
Danny S
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Hi Danny, I checked on this some time ago(Never)and I don't believe it to factual, check with Barefoot Bob and Dick B. Joe N. _____ From:...
Joe Nugent
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Certainly will do, now that you bring it up. I recall being convinced of it long ago, but like Jay, now I can't remember why it was so convinced. LOL Now you...
Danny S
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hi Joe and Danny and Trish and Des and everyone, i wrote to Bob, and here's what he wrote back to re "rarely" or "never" in the chapter: No, Janie, it was...
Janie
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Oct 6, 2006
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you know, Des, my dad used to "suggest' we have our chores done before he got home.Never any real doubt about what he meant-lol ... From: Des Green To:...
Chris Cherrie
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Oct 5, 2006
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... we seen a person fail" ... The stor I heard was this: some one asked Bill W if there was anything he would change in the BB if he could, in retrospect. ...
Jay P. Hailey
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Bill W replied that he, would change that one line from "rarely" to "never">> I had heard that story too but it turns out to be verifiably untrue. He was asked...
Danny S
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Oct 6, 2006
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... softer impact. I believe I heard it in the Joe and Charlie tapes - for what ever that is worth. ...
Jay P. Hailey
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Glad you rememebered where you heard it. But I am familair with the Joe and Charlie tapes, and I have never heard Joe or Charlie say that Chapter 5 was...
Danny S
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Oct 6, 2006
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OK : i've taken my month and "mouth" off from here . no more. that was a warning shot by the way. Some of the words did change from the Original Manuscript to...
pipesteve
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Oct 6, 2006
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... HOW ... But you argue the notion of suggestions - when the BB says "This book is meant to be suggestive only." Who is the "They"? We know that Bill W did...
Jay P. Hailey
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Oct 6, 2006
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... local meetings My experience is that the BB is dead right - folks who don't do it ALL THE WAY wind up getting drunk I am working with a guy who at about...
Jay P. Hailey
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