thats a good article.

i would do it three  ways, put it up on a web site, send it as a
letter to the editor of the newspaper so that its published or if
they don't like well thats sure saying something

and send her a copy. she may not be very friendly at all since it
seems likely she is paid in some way by eily lily. just treat her as
an  enemy and try to inflict as much collateral damage as possible
and putting it on a web site or the files section of this board is
going to get her antsy.

I've written a response to Ms. Jane E. Brody. Can anyone tell me how to find her
address so I can send it? Should I just send it in care of the newspaper? The
text is below.
Truly,
Erica

April 1, 2003


Dear Jane E. Brody:

I am usually not compelled to respond to pharmaceutical propaganda but felt I
must address some of the inaccuracies in your recent article, "Vaccine and
Autism, Beyond the Fear Factors," as I know a non-biased reporter such as
yourself would appreciate knowing the real facts.

You mention, "overwhelming evidence so far suggests that thimerosal poses no
significant threat to the developing brain." I would love to see the
"overwhelming evidence." But first, one must ask what you mean by "the
developing brain." There is an obvious difference between your carefully chosen
words of "the developing brain," and "autism."

Recent research supports autism is a very complex combination of biological and
physiological illnesses which result in cognitive and emotional damage along
with very real biological (not psychiatric) medical conditions. It is not only
the brain involved. My son's autism began with severe reflux, aspirating,
gastro-intestinal disorders, complete insomnia, non-stop screaming, all over
body hives, severe food intolerances, etc. This was at two and a half months
old, just after his first round of immunizations, of which thimerosal was still
a component in September of 2001. These biological manifestations are very
common in autistic children.


Perhaps educating yourself about the complexities of autism spectrum disorders
will help enlighten you to the very real "fear factors" of vaccines and autism.
Factors every parent in the world should be made aware of.

You mention vaccine makers stopped using thimerosal three years ago to err on
the side of caution. Unfortunately, this is not true. Vaccine makers are still
using thimerosal in vaccines other than the flu shot you mention. In fact, the
2003 Physician's Desk Reference lists three childhood vaccines still being
manufactured with thimerosal.


You state in October of 2001, an "expert panel" concluded there "was not enough
evidence to prove or disprove a link between thimerosal and autism." But did
they not also mention, it was "biologically plausible?" Perhaps this panel
should be informed that two months before, in August of 2001, the Centers for
Disease Control (CDC) admitted their own study of thimerosal and autism was
flawed and now reports a "statistically significant link between mercury in
vaccines and developmental disorders, including Attention Deficit Disorder and
speech and language delays." (Incidently, in our area of Greater Portland Maine,
the speech and developmental therapists individually have wait lists over 60
children and one year long.)

In addition to this, a previously unreleased confidential report dated 2/29/2000
by Center's for Disease Control scientists reveals exposure to significant
amounts of mercury during the first months of life significantly increases a
child's risk of developing autism. The study states, "As for the exposure
evaluated at three months of age, we found increasing risks of neurological
developmental disorders with increasing cumulative exposure to thimerosal." The
study concludes, "we can state that this analysis does not rule out that receipt
of thimerosal containing vaccine in children under three months of age may be
related to an increased risk of neurological developmental disorders. Specific
conditions that may warrant detailed study include autism, dyslalia, misery and
unhappiness disorder, and attention deficit disorder."

The "expert panel" must have missed that one.

You write the risks of the diseases vaccines [supposedly] prevent are "far
greater than anything that may be imagined to result from the vaccines
themselves." I guess that depends on with whom you are talking. In my case, I
have a family history of reactions to vaccines. I didn't "imagine" my brother
lost his hearing after contracting the mumps and rubella from the MMR. I didn't
"imagine" I contracted non-lock jaw tetanus after a tetanus shot as a child. I
didn't "imagine" I contracted the measles and the mumps after an MMR revax in
college, nor the subsequent and severe food and environmental allergies and
gastro-intestinal problems that followed. I didn't "imagine" my daughter
contracted the measles after her MMR, nor the fact she started hitting herself
in the face shortly thereafter, and then developed sensory integration
dysfunction. And I surely didn't "imagine" my previously healthy son turning
blue, aspirating, and screaming day in and day out after his first round of
immunizations.

My family also has a history of allergies and autoimmune disorders. Since my
son's medical problems began, I have had no less than three medical doctors
confirm my son should have never received a shot, that a family history such as
mine is contraindicated to vaccinating. The risks are greater for a certain
percentage of the population. Even if it is only 1% of the population that
"end(s) up with autism" each year, that is still over 40,000 children in the
United States alone Ms. Brody.

Unfortunately, we chose the wrong doctor to begin with as even after my
previously robust baby in the 95th percentile dropped off the weight charts, he
insisted we "just try one more to see what happens," which is surely a violation
of the Hippocratic oath. I certainly didn't "imagine" him saying, "oops," after
I asked him to read me the package insert from the vaccine manufacturer which
stated it still contained thimerosal in September of 2001.

You see Ms. Brody, there may be a genetic vulnerability in autistic spectrum
children, and thimerosal containing vaccines are the environmental insult that
can push that vulnerability into the spectrum. It is most likely not the only
toxin but surely, the most prevalent.


Your argument about the safety of thimerosal is sadly lacking in facts. You
mention the characteristic motor symptoms of mercury poisoning caused by ethyl
mercury are "lack of coordination, unsteadiness and difficulty speaking because
of poor muscle control, along with tremors, muscle pains and weakness." Your
"experts" Dr. Nelson and Dr. Bauman said in autism, "the only common motor
symptoms are 'repetitive behaviors such as flapping, circling or rocking.'" I
have to suggest next time you choose better experts. Better yet, contact a few
parents of children with autism. My son demonstrates every one of the
"characteristic" symptoms of mercury poisoning you mention, documented by his
occupational therapist, and medical doctor. I'm sure you'll find thousands more
parents who report the same.

As for sensory symptoms, you state, "mercury poisoning is associated with
extreme sensitivity to touch... but in autism a reduced sensitivity to pain
accompanies a hypersensitivity to sound." The two are not exclusive of each
other, Ms. Brody. My son would smash his head repeatedly against a wall and not
notice, but also, he would scream and fight if anyone touched his toes or
fingers.

You argue through the years several cases of ingested mercury poisonings have
not resulted in autism. The mercury was ingested in single incidences, not shot
into their blood stream. There is a difference. Even the Manufacturers Safety
Data Sheet for thimerosal states the substance is "highly toxic," and warns
about the dangers of accumulation and prolonged or repeat exposure. In fact, an
expert FDA panel concluded in 1982 that thimerosal was unsafe and should be
removed from all over the counter products. Yet, it is still to this very day
being injected into our babies.

In addition, Mark Geier, MD, PhD, and David Geier recently published a study
providing strong epidemiological evidence for a link between mercury exposure
from thimerosal-containing childhood vaccines and neurodevelopmental disorders,
such as autism, ADHD, speech disorders, and heart disease. I kindly suggest you
read it.

Ms. Brody, I could write even more "fear factors" regarding thimerosal and
vaccinations but I'm sure my words would be wasted. Since you are touted as
being able to "accurately synthesize the latest findings for non-scientists and
scientists alike in clear, cogent language," perhaps you should review more
recent research and write another book. On second thought, being the "special
speaker" at an Eli Lily sponsored conference last fall, might put you in a
compromised position. I wouldn't want to see you, "the best known bio-medical
writer in the US" having to write a fluff piece to placate the masses.

Sincerely,

Erica McPhee

Windham, Maine


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Cynthia in a recent post discussed how great my counting rules/how to
hair test file was.

Moria wrote the how to hair test file.

In fact Moria had to pester me quite a bit to get me to provide the
relevant information so she could make it really clear and user
friendly.

She developed most of the discussion of how to do it, all of the
discussion of how to go get a hair test, the examples, etc.

I provided the numbers and math after she rode herd on me for quite
some time.

Considering the sudden change from everyone reposting things 5 times
in different formats before the "how to hair test" file and now
everyone mostly doing it "right" the first time I would say that
Moria's efforts to make the material user friendly and comprehensible
were a resounding success.

Also she made it so people really can tell which of the counting rules
are or are not satisfied.  People should start doing this.  Perhaps
Cynthia would like to practice scoring a few hair tests so she can do
it for people when they post their results?

I would say most of the credit for making the counting rules
accessible, user friendly, and really available to the people on this
list belongs to Moria, not to me.  I just did some arithmetic.  And
nobody was using the results of it for a long time after I did it
until Moria wrote it up and explained it.

Andy . . .

Just a note to say that at least I have missed some of your informative
replies.
There are a lot of good people on this list serve, with a lot of good
information to share.
And I appreciate all of the people who share and all of the information that
comes out of it.
Thanks.
Mel

a simple way of explaining metals transport enhancement is that
metals toxicity is a trace mineral deficency, that is with good
levels of trace minerals the metals transport system can cope quite
well with excreting toxic metals.

the .85mcg/lb seems to work well as an ongoing amount, the effects
are an increasing vigour and robustness...... if you go by the
effects then you will be able to see the benefit of the supplement.

other minerals are zinc, boron, managnese, magnesium, iodine, msm,
enzymes, possibly a short loading of zinc picolinate...... its all a
sort of depends thing but i think selenium is the basic and the other
elements work in synergy esp. zinc.

the methylselenocysteine in addition to the selenomethione is quite
important as though in theory the selenomethionine should convert to
selenocysteine, in practice that conversion is not free enough and
supplementing with methylselenocysteine seems to provide a mellowing
counterbalance to the selenomethione.

i am not of the opinion that chelation is the best way to go from my
experience with supplementing to promote metals transport enhancement
with mercury toxic adults on spectrum.

i live in a a selenium deficent area, wether that colours my
judgement i don't know, i d  have confidence in seleniums abilty to
sequester mercury successfully though.



--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "jeankrum" <Krumenacker@r...>
wrote:
> Andy,
>
> Should I continue with the selenomethionine alternating with
> methyselenocysteine after we get the fillings removed?
>
> What other supplements should we be giving him to enhance emtlas
> transport?
>
> How long do you recommend that we wait to chelate again once they
are
> removed?
>
> Thanks so much for your help?
>
> Jean
>
>
>
>
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "andrew" <alevin@i...> wrote:
> >
> > hopefully they are small fillings.
> >
> > what a disaster
> >
> > i strongly recommend .85mcg selenomethionine daily alternating
> > with methyselenocysteine. you will probably have to look at zinc
> and
> > a few other supplemnts to enhance emtlas transport as well.
> >
> > you definitely can't chelate(not that i think its the optimal
> > approach anyway preffering metals transport enhancement)
> >
> > the dentist is criminally negligent
> >
> > i wonder if the dentist is also a bit mercury toxic, like how
often
> > does she get sick. a woman i know here is in the extrodinary
> position
> > of having had a lupus like condtion and now wth her anti-clotting
> > protiens recovering as her mercury level drops from having all
her
> > amalgams removed and following a metals transport enhancement
> > supplementation regieme is getting better and could be off
warfarin
> > soon and her doctor,(also a woman) with a mouthfull of amaglams
and
> > always in denial about mercury causing her problems is now
getting
> > more overtly mercury toxic and showing early stage dementia.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "jeankrum"
> <Krumenacker@r...>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi, all!
> > >
> > > We took my 4 year old son to the dentist last week to have
> cavities
> > > filled (anesthesia and all) and I just found out this morning
> that
> > > they filled 6 of his teeth with mercury fillings.  We are on
our
> > 20th
> > > round of chelation.  I didn't think they made them anymore.
The
> > only
> > > reason that I called the doctor was because I was at a
conference
> > on
> > > Saturday and Stephanie Cave spoke of a child who had been
> chelating
> > > for 8 months and got 1 amalgram filling and lost her speech
> within
> > 3
> > > weeks.
> > >
> > > I called the dentist this morning but she is out sick.  I am
sick
> > to
> > > death about this.  I guess it is a blessing in disguise that I
> just
> > > happened to go to this conference 3 days after getting the
> > fillings.
> > >
> > > My question is how soon can they start seeing the effects of
the
> > > mercury and once out since it is early on will we see good
> results
> > > since we are in the middle of chelating?  I assume that we
can't
> > give
> > > him the DMSA/ALA until the fillings are out, right?
> > >
> > > Thanks for any help!
> > >
> > > Jean

just reposting the original post for reference

Potentially toxic elements

Aluminum: result 29 range <8.0 Red
Antimony: result 0.19 range <0.066 (end of yellow almost to red)
Arsenic: 0.28 range <0.08 Red
Beryllium <0.01 <0.02 not on chart
Bismuth 0.2 <0.13 Yellow
Cadmium 0.17 <0.15 (just in the yellow range)
lead .99 <1.0 green
mercury 0.12 <0.4 green
platinum <0.003 <0.005 not on chart
thallium <0.001 <0.01 not on chart
thorium <0.005 <0.005 green
uranium 0.015 <0.06 green
nickel 0.16 <0.4 green
silver 0.11 <0.2 green
tin 0.68 <0.3 yellow
titanium 1.7 <1.0 red
Total Toxic Representation Red

Essential and Other Elements

Calcium 192 125-370 starts green ends white
magnesium 9.0 12-30 starts yellow ends white
sodium 570 12-90 starts white ends red (off the chart)
potassium 720 12-40 starts white ends red (off the chart)
copper 11 8.0-16 white only
zinc 48 100-190 starts red ends white
maganese 0.3 0.2-0.55 white only
chromium 0.48 0.26-0.5 starts white ends green
vanadium 0.011 0.03-0.1 white to green
molybdenum 0.77 0.05-0.13 white to red (off the chart)
Boron 9.1 0.6-4.0 white to yellow
Iodine 1.2 0.25-1.3 white to green
Lithium 0.025 0.007-0.023 white to green
Phosphorus 164 160-250 white to green
Selenium 0.83 0.95-1.7 yellow to white
strontium .2 0.37-3.6 green to white
Sulfur 51100 45500-53000 white to green
Barium 1.3 0.16-0.8 yellow to white
Cobalt 0.008 0.013-0.035 yellow to white
Iron 12 8.0-19 white
Germanium 0.034 0.045-0.065 yellow to white
Rubidium 0.025 0.016-0.18 white to yellow
Zirconium 4.9 0.04-1.0 white to red (off the chart)

Ratios section at bottom says:
Elements Ca/Mg Ratio 21.3 Expected range 4-30
Elements Ca/P Ratio 1.17 Expected range .8-8
Elements Na/K Ratio 0.792 Expected 0.5-10
Elements Zn/Cu Ratio 4.36 Expected 4-20
Elements Zn/Cd Ratio 282 Expected >800

If I am reading this correctly:

Toxic Elements:
3 Red
5 Yellow
6 Green

Essential Elements
8 Green
7 Yellow
5 Red
3 White Only
5 that fall in the very elated or low category.
13 over the 50th percentile.

> Essential Elements
> 8 Green
> 7 Yellow
> 5 Red
> 3 White Only
> 5 that fall in the very elated or low category.
> 13 over the 50th percentile.

Yup.  Which means he meets 2 of the counting rules, suggesting he has
such a mercury problem it is practically dripping out his ears.

Also other indicators of mercury are present, e. g. Zr and Ti the same
way, elevated Al.

Andy . . . . .. . . . . . .

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, Vicky Vanyo <vidyawattie@y...>
wrote:
> Would a high IgE be an indication of high histamine
> levels?

No.

>I am ignorant about the relationship between
> high IgE and histamine levels, if there's any.

IgE makes you allergic.  More IgE, more allergic.

Histamine makes you hack and sneeze and wheeze and itch when you are
being allergic.

> Also,
> would supplementing with L-Histidine affect histamine
> levels?

Yes, it would raise them.

>Much Thanks. Vicky
>
>
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> My son has had protein in his urine for years and we
> can not figure out where it is coming from. Blood too.
> He has had a sono, blood tests, etc., but it all comes
> back as "benign". Still, it seems wrong to me...ideas?

Do you have a urine mercury level?  This is a classic sign of high
level mercury exposure.
>
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secretin seems to have some parallels with the enzyme no-fenol from
www.houstonni.com ...... one of the primary modes of both is to
enhance tyrosine....... you get similar problems to what you are
describing if you take too much no fenol, but it is best taken daily.
you might try 1/2 a drop daily or soemthing like that. tyrosine is a
precusor of some important brain chemicals like dopamine.

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "Kim Wolford" <kim@r...> wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience with Secretin drops given
sublingually
> (under the tongue)? We have been using them (2 drops daily) for
about 2
> months. Within the first few weeks our son started drawing and
> writing....he's almost 6 yo and would only pick up a pencil or
crayon
> under duress - at school, never at home! His drawings, while crude
by a
> typical 6 yo standards,  are pretty detailed - especially for a kid
who
> "just started" drawing.
>
> However, in the last couple of weeks it seems the drops may be
making
> him hyper and more emotional - behaviors we haven't seen regularly
in a
> while. I'm thinking of discontinuing the Secretin to see, any
thoughts?
>
> thanks,
> kw
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

This is fine.

Add ALA whenever you want.

Andy . . . . . . .

> I am planning to start  DMSA chelation on my child that has not had
> mercury exposure for at least 3 years.  She also has high aluminum
> (12  <8.0).  I have read that magnesium should be supplemented while
> chelating and need to know if I should give her magnesium glycinate
> for the magnesium source so that at the same time we will be
> chelating for the aluminum.  Is this an appropriate thing to do?
> Also, how will I know when to add the ALA?  Thanks so much.

Hi Andy,
My son age 14 recent hair test.  I just started him on supplements. No
supplements were give prior to hair testing.
He is currently taking Dexedrine, and Risperidone.  What is your opinion on
these results?

POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS
element           result            ref range            color
=============================================
aluminum         2.4            <    8.0              Green
antimony         0.032         <0.066             Green
arsenic            0.032         < 0.08              Green
beryllium         <0.01        <  0.02              No Line
bismuth           0.13           < 0.06              Yellow
cadmium         0.015        <  0.15              Green
lead                0.24           <   1.5              Green
mercury         <0.03         <    0.4              No Line
platinum        <0.003        <0.005              No Line
thallium          <0.001       <  0.01              No Line
thorium           0.002        <0.005              Green
uranium           0.11         <   0.06              Yellow
nickel             0.04           <    0.4              Green
silver              0.02           <  0.13              Green
tin                  0.08           <    0.3               Green
titanium         0.96              <  1.0               Green (almost
yellow)

ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS
element               result            ref range        color    under/over
50%
============================================================
Calcium             153          200-700          Yellow     Under 50%
Magnesium         47              18-70           Green       Over 50%
Sodium             63                12-90           Green       Over 50%
Potassium         23                10-40           Green       Over 50%
Copper            10                 10-30           Green      Under 50%
Zinc                 220             130-200        Yellow      Over 50%
Manganese     0.11           0.15-0.65        Yellow      Under50%
Chromium     0.22              0.2-0.4          Green        Under 50%
Vanadium         0.027       0.02-0.075      Green        Under50%
Molybdenum     0.044       0.031-0.062   White         At 50%
Boron                 0.98          0.34-3.0       Green        Under 50%
Iodine             0.55             0.25-1.3        White        At 50%
Lithium            0.031         0.007-0.023    Yellow     Over 50%
Phosphorus     173             160-250         Green       Under 50%
Selenium         0.97            0.95-1.7         Green        Under 50%
Strontium       0.48             0.3-3.2           Green        Under 50%
Sulfur             48200        44000-52000   White        Above50%
Barium         0.12               0.17-1.5         Yellow     Under 50%
Cobalt         0.012           0.013-0.035     Yellow     Under50%
Iron             10                5.8-13              Green      Over 50%
Germanium 0.032            0.045-0.065     Yellow      Under 50%
Rubidium     0.022           0.009-0.09       Green       Under50%
Zirconium     0.078           0.047-0.7         Green      Under50%

> I am a physician from Bombay in India .My  son is 4 years and 2
months old
> with a  PDD NOS diagnosis  .The  diagnosis was 16 months ago when he
was 2
> years and 10 months old . The following are the interventions he is
on:
>
> GFCF   immediately upon diagnosis  , Super Nu Thera and CLO. In
addition to
> the above we had introduced Enzyme Aid. His 'Bad breadth " stopped
> completely. We also started EFA s ,  and additional  Zinc. : We
started him
> on Vitamin E, Probiotics ,milk thistle,selenium and molybdenum .

Selenomethionine, not selenite?

Vitamin C 4 times a day?

Magnesium 4 times a day?
>
> We had started him on Chelation with DMSA . However we had to stop
DMSA
> since he developed manifestations of Yeast overgrowth ( stool
culture grew
> Candida albicans ) .   At this point in time we did not have  test
results
> suggesting Heavy metal toxicity since these tests are not done in
India.

You should be able to get a doctor's data hair element profile easily
by mail.  See the "how to hair test" file.

> We had realised the importance of controlling Yeast  infections and
had to
> put the child on a Specific Cabohydrade Diet and Fluconozole for
about a
> month.  After SCD and Fluconozole we had got rid of Candida and his
stimming
>   had almost stopped and towards the end of the month he was
focussing a lot
> better during his Table top activities. Presently he is on Nystatin
and
> Kirkman's Yeast Control to keep Candida under control .
>
> I believe he has responded very positively to all the interventions
and has
> travelled a long distance from his baseline . We still have quite a
few
> issues which we are addressing all the time .
>
> Although we had started him on DMSA 11 months ago , we have been
able to
> complete only 10 cycles since we had to break a few times due to
illnesses .
>
> While we were unable to take a baseline Metal toxicity assessment we
have
> managed to get 24 hours urine toxic elements test  from DDI after
the 8 th
> and 10 th DMSA cycle. We also got a packed Redcell elements profile
done
> after the 8 th cycle . Iam enclosing all the results .
>
> My questions :
>
> A) Based on the urine test results , I see that Lead is  still being
> excreted . Should we hence continue with DMSA with out ALA for a few
more
> cycles ?

This amount in urine isn't significant (while on DMSA).  The blood
level is however suspicious and problematic.  You get to do DMSA for a
few years to clear it out of his bones, though once every 3-6 weeks
may be enough to accomplish that.

> B) In the Red cell elements profile I observe a deranged copper to
Zinc
> ratio . We have increased Zinc  supplemention  after coming to know
this (
> for the past two months ) . In  your view  is  copper   high enough
for me
> to  withhold   ALA for now ?.

No.  This is a very average copper level for a mercury toxic person.
Check hair levels, not RBC levels.

> C) What are the further tests to be done at what frequency during
the
> Chelation process ?

No routine tests in most instances.  All of TSH, T3, T4, free T3, free
T4, CBC with differential, plasma cysteine if you can get it.
>
> D)  Based on my  understanding of my son's profile I believe that he
will
> benefit with Bethenechol .Is it Ok to administer Bethenechol
> while chelation is on?

Yes, but do recall that a lot of these kids have unusual brain
electrical activity and cholinergic agents lower the seizure
threshhold.
>
>
>
>
> URINE TOXIC ELEMENTS (24 hrs collection post provocation with
DMSA).The
> first value is the result of test done on 31/12/2002( following the
8th
> cycle of DMSA) and the second value is the result of test done on
> 25/2/2003(following the 10th cycle)
> element       result         ref range    color
>           (microgram/24hrs)
> =============================================
> aluminum    3.6,   <dl         <37        green
> antimony    <dl,   <dl         <7
> arsenic     11,    12          <140       green
> beryllium   <dl,   <dl         <0.6
> bismuth     <dl,   <dl         <30
> cadmium     0.2,   0.3         <3         green
> lead        4.8,   9.0         <20        green
> mercury     0.9,   1.2         <5         green
> platinum    <dl,   <dl         <2
> thallium    0.2,   0.1         <14        green
> thorium     <dl,   <dl         <13
> uranium     <dl,   <dl         <2
> nickel      2.7,   3.1         <20        green
> Tungsten    0.7,   0.9         <22        green
> tin         0.2,   0.1         <11        green
>
> Creatinine   320,  490         310--800
> (mg/24hrs)
>
>
>
> RED  BLOOD CELL ELEMENTS ( done on 31/12/2002)
> element       result          ref range    color    under/over 50%
>             ( microgram/gram)
> ============================================================
> Calcium       21               8--31       green      over50%
> Magnesium     45               36--64      green      under50%
> Potassium     82               65--95      green      over 50%
> Copper        0.76             0.52--0.89  yellow     over50%
> Zinc          10.6             8--14.5     white      at50%
> Manganese     0.022            0.007-0.03  yellow     over50%
> Chromium      0.027            0.012-0.07  green      under50%
> Vanadium      0.0008           0.0001-0.002green      over50%
> Molybdenum    0.0007           0.0005-0.002green      under50%
> Boron         0.030            0.005-0.11  green      under50%
> Phosphorus    617              480--745    white      at50%
> Selenium      0.33             0.19-0.38   yellow     over50%
> Iron          1040             745-1050    yellow     over50%
> Lead          0.062            <o.09       green      over50%
> Mercury       0.001            <0.01

This actually doesn't look that much like a mercury problem kid (they
usually have low Zn, Mg and Mo), making that hair element profile a
lot more important

Well, you get to go find another dentist, have them taken out, and do
not chelate until well after that is done.

This is urgent (almost an emergency) and not optional.

Do not go back to this dentist, go to a mercury free dentist.  Proper
precautions must be taken during removal to avoid exposure and a
regular dentist doesn't know how to do that.

Andy

> Hi, all!
>
> We took my 4 year old son to the dentist last week to have cavities
> filled (anesthesia and all) and I just found out this morning that
> they filled 6 of his teeth with mercury fillings.  We are on our
20th
> round of chelation.  I didn't think they made them anymore.  The
only
> reason that I called the doctor was because I was at a conference on
> Saturday and Stephanie Cave spoke of a child who had been chelating
> for 8 months and got 1 amalgram filling and lost her speech within 3
> weeks.
>
> I called the dentist this morning but she is out sick.  I am sick to
> death about this.  I guess it is a blessing in disguise that I just
> happened to go to this conference 3 days after getting the fillings.
>
> My question is how soon can they start seeing the effects of the
> mercury and once out since it is early on will we see good results
> since we are in the middle of chelating?  I assume that we can't
give
> him the DMSA/ALA until the fillings are out, right?
>
> Thanks for any help!
>

In these situations the first thing to do is ALWAYS to write a letter
documenting what is going on and stating you do not agree with the new
procedure and do not give consent for it until such time as they
provide a clearer explanation of what is going on and why.  Also state
in writing that your refusal of consent to modify the program as they
propose can only be changed in writing, not verbally.

Then go meet with the head honcho and tell them you would much rather
work with them but they need to work with you too.

Never let this kind of stuff go on and have their paper trail be the
only documentation.  Whenever they are saying something other than you
are observing, get it in writing, to them, immediately (and get them
to acknowledge receipt).

Andy . . . . . . . . . . . .

> Hi Margaret, I recently went through a similar situation where I was
> told NOT to get out of my car when I picked up Steven from special
> pre-school.  I was told to stay in my car and he would be brought to
> the car.
>
> I think its very strange.  How they treated you and what I
> encountered.  In addition, they informed us at his 'evaluation' that
> several objectives would be accomplished.  For instance, Steven
would
> be able to write his name, follow instructions, write a three word
> sentence, count to ten...ect.  The last report card said he could
> write his name and a three word sentence and that is absolutely not
> true.  I can't imagine why they would say that because clearly he
> cannot write.
>
> It sounds fishy to me Margaret.  I don't know what you should do
> because I was really confused myself.  I actually submitted to their
> demands, in part, because Im not Stevens biological parent and I
> don't have ultimate authority over him.  But if it was my child I
> would take him out of the preschool.  Its just too weird, why would
> they care if you came into the classroom, or me, for that matter?
>
> Its not right... I wish you the best of luck!
> Kalzangluv
>
>
>
>
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "igorginzburg"
> <imginzburg@e...> wrote:
> > Dear listmates,
> > I need some advice about what I can do about my disagreements with
> my
> > son's school teacher. My son is 4, and he attends special day
> class.
> > When I bring him to school, sometimes he wants to go and play with
> > kids, sometimes he needs just some time (not long, just a couple
of
> > minutes) that I kiss him, say good bye, explain that now he will
> play
> > and I come later to take him, etc. Recently I had concerns about
> > their methodics: they use picture schedule, and, from my point of
> > view, do it extremely formally: even if my son understands that I
> > say "Go play" and goes to play, they interrupt his play to bring
> him
> > to the wall with the schedule and make him take the picture with a
> > toy and bring it to another wall. This makes me angry, because I
do
> > not think that if a kid understands verbal instructions he  needs
> to
> > do the schedule, and I did tell about my concerns to his home
> program
> > supervisor who promised to discuss it with the teacher. Now they
> > introduced new rules that I have no right to enter the classroom
to
> > bring him in, and already for two days I have to fight with the
> > teacher who meets me outside and very roughly and fast tries to
> draw
> > my son away from me, making him cry and me very upset. I believe
> they
> > did it with purpose so that I do not observe their morning rutines
> > and do not criticize them. They also tell me that after class I
> need
> > to wait outside of the school and can not approach the classroom
> > door. I agreed with that, but I want to see my son in the morning
> and
> > say good bye to him and want to see that he stayed OK and not
> crying
> > in the classroom. I want to observe how he stays in the classroom.
> I
> > did not comply with their requirements to leave immediately for 2
> > days already, and now they want to schedule a meeting with
> principal
> > about it.
> > Can anybody give me any advice? I believe that I read something
> that
> > the law about daycare says that I can observe my child there at
any
> > time, but I can't find any document about it and what the details
> > are. What can I tell them at the meeting?
> > Thank you for your advic

One of many possible reasons for a short lived gain after kicking a
virus is overall inadequate immune function, which is of course
stimulated to get rid of the virus.

A trial of echinacea, astragalus, and a bunch of the stuff listed in
the "neutrophils" file might be informative.

Andy . . . . . . .

> I have to disagree with some of your advice. I'm not
> an expert...just a parent but I'll share my experience.

Life would be pretty boring if we all agreed.

>My son's diet is free of
> gluten, casein, soy, corn, artificial colors, flavors, salicylates,
> and most fruits and vegetables of color.  He eats 9 foods (rice,
> potato, chicken, beef, pork, peaches, pears, brocolli, and
asparagus),
> canola oil, plus I bake muffins, pancakes, and waffles with
> rice/potato/tapioca flours, rice milk, and egg. He has occasional
> maple syrup. That is it - nothing else.

Note: your diet also contains no hydrogenated fats.

Also note, most parents would not be willing to do this to their kid.

> We came to this diet through a very long and difficult elimination
> diet where we brought him down to 4 foods (asparagus, pork, pears,
and
>  sweet potato) for a week. He became nearly symptom free, with only
> infrequent headbanging, spinning, and licking (2 -3 times per day
> instead of 25 times per day). We then reintroduced foods one at a
time
> every 4 days. If there was a reaction we waited 5 days before
starting
> another food.  He was already dairy and soy free 8 months before
> starting this. Two weeks after eliminating gluten, he slept through
> the night for the first time and now sleeps 11 - 12 hours/night.
>
> We also did electro-accupuncture testing (completely painless and
> clinically proven 70% accurate which is higher than skin prick
> testing). We will shortly be doing IGg testing to see if there are
> some foods we can add back in.
>
> My son is now almost completely symptom free behaviorally (he lost
his
> drunken sailor walk after we eliminated bananas) and stopped
> headbanging completely after we finally eliminated corn flours (we
had
> added them after we had completed the elimination diet as he was too
> young at the time to introduce corn). We have seen amazing results
> personality-wise with homeopathic remedies at the same time.
>
> I know this diet works as if my son eats even the tiniest amount of
> these foods, we are back to headbanging, spinning, and not sleeping
> for days on end.

Perhaps if this diet leaves you time to chelate him you may eventually
find he gets better and doesn't NEED the diet.

> I will agree with you that the doctor should have explained more and
> at least told Kelly about the premise of a food elimination diet and
> how to do one to see if certain foods make a difference and at his
> age, the foods should not be eliminated all at once.
>
> Soy is a huge problem for my son, including soy lecithin.
>
> Hope it's helpful.
> Truly,
> Erica
>
> Andy wrote:
> > Hydrogenated fat exclusion works better for a lot of kids than any
of
> > these.
> >
> > Also a high protein, high fat, modest carbohydrate diet works well
for
> > most kids (unless they are OCD, oppositional, depressive, self
> > injurious types who need hig

> Dr. wants our little guy to take 50mg 1x day of lipoic acid

Do not do this no matter what.

> specifically to help with liver
> detoxification.  Have not started formal chelation as of yet.

I M P O R T A N T   D O C T O R S   seem to think that the little
pills are impressed by the doc's social stature or something and only
do what they are told.

The unfortunate chemical reality is that the molecules in the little
pills do whatever it is they are going to do no matter how important
the person prescribing them is.

> However we have been on massive supplementation for a long time.
>
> Question #1  Will even this small amount of lipoic acid

This is not a small amount, it is a horrendous amount.

>"feed any
> candida present to cause problems?  We have  a history of some nasty
> strains of candida, but is not currently an issue.

Candida will be the least of your problems.

> Question #2   Is 50mg of lipoic acid 1x day enough to cause problems
> such as causing mercury to cross the blood/brain barrier

Yup.  This is the problem.

>but not enough without dmsa to escort the mercury out of the body.

The DMSA is irrelevant.  The failure to use a proper 3-4 hour
chelation schedule is the problem.

> T

Does anyone have any experience with Secretin drops given sublingually
(under the tongue)? We have been using them (2 drops daily) for about 2
months. Within the first few weeks our son started drawing and
writing....he's almost 6 yo and would only pick up a pencil or crayon
under duress - at school, never at home! His drawings, while crude by a
typical 6 yo standards,  are pretty detailed - especially for a kid who
"just started" drawing.

However, in the last couple of weeks it seems the drops may be making
him hyper and more emotional - behaviors we haven't seen regularly in a
while. I'm thinking of discontinuing the Secretin to see, any thoughts?

thanks,
kw


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Good luck with your conference. Hope all goes well :)
Thanks for the tip on GSE brand, it seems to work well for Lily.
-Lana
--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "danaatty" <danaatty@y...>
wrote:
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "stanfun89" <stanfun89@y...>
> wrote:
> > Thanks, Dana.
> >
> > How long of a break are you giving your kids?  3 weeks or do you
> take
> > a full month off?
>
>
> So far it has been three weeks.  My conference is this weekend so I
> won't start then either.  Might start again next weekend, depends
on
> how crazy things are here.
>
>
> >
> > I have to say -- I wish my kid would just push his way through a
> > line.  He waits so patiently and lets all the kids go in front of
> > him.
>
>
> My #1 was like that when he was younger.  Not sure now whether or
not
> it is a good thing that he is more assertive LOL
>
> It is not a good thing to be age 7 [and large even for age 7] and
> pushing your way thru a line of 2-3-4 year old kids.  Their parents
> get really upset, and I don't blame them.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Dana

Dr. wants our little guy to take 50mg 1x day of lipoic acid
specifically to help with liver
detoxification.  Have not started formal chelation as of yet.
However we have been on massive supplementation for a long time.

Question #1  Will even this small amount of lipoic acid "feed any
candida present to cause problems?  We have  a history of some nasty
strains of candida, but is not currently an issue.
Question #2   Is 50mg of lipoic acid 1x day enough to cause problems
such as causing mercury to cross the blood/brain barrier but not
enough without dmsa to escort the mercury out of the body.

Thank.

Bernie,

Thanks for the info.  I haven't talked to her yet so I am not sure.
But, believe me, I will make sure she knows what she is doing.  If
not, I am going to find another dentist.  She didn't know he was
mercury toxic.  My husband and I both thought they didn't use
amalgams anymore.  We sure won't assume anything anymore.

Thanks again.

Jean


--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "Bernard Windham"
<berniew1@e...> wrote:
> Jean wrote:
> I just found out this morning that they filled 6 of his teeth with
mercury fillings.   I didn't think they made them anymore.
> *******
>        Most dentists use amalgam. Most fillings are amalgam.
Dentists are still penalized and harassed by the ADA and dental
boards if they don't use amalgam.     Who are you going to have
remove them?
> Did you dentist not know your son had mercury toxic condition?  It
makes as much as 90% difference in how much exposure one gets when
amalgams are replaced depending on the knowledge, equipment, and
protocol of the dentist.     Make sure the dentist who does it is
well educated on protocol and protection.   Take the proper
supplements before and after replacement.  I use activated carbon
caps on the day of replacement.
> Bernie
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Jean wrote:
I just found out this morning that they filled 6 of his teeth with mercury
fillings.   I didn't think they made them anymore.
*******
        Most dentists use amalgam. Most fillings are amalgam.   Dentists are
still penalized and harassed by the ADA and dental boards if they don't use
amalgam.     Who are you going to have remove them?
Did you dentist not know your son had mercury toxic condition?  It makes as much
as 90% difference in how much exposure one gets when amalgams are replaced
depending on the knowledge, equipment, and protocol of the dentist.     Make
sure the dentist who does it is well educated on protocol and protection.   Take
the proper supplements before and after replacement.  I use activated carbon
caps on the day of replacement.
Bernie


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I have to disagree with some of your advice. I'm not an expert...just
a parent but I'll share my experience. My son's diet is free of
gluten, casein, soy, corn, artificial colors, flavors, salicylates,
and most fruits and vegetables of color.  He eats 9 foods (rice,
potato, chicken, beef, pork, peaches, pears, brocolli, and asparagus),
canola oil, plus I bake muffins, pancakes, and waffles with
rice/potato/tapioca flours, rice milk, and egg. He has occasional
maple syrup. That is it - nothing else.

We came to this diet through a very long and difficult elimination
diet where we brought him down to 4 foods (asparagus, pork, pears, and
  sweet potato) for a week. He became nearly symptom free, with only
infrequent headbanging, spinning, and licking (2 -3 times per day
instead of 25 times per day). We then reintroduced foods one at a time
every 4 days. If there was a reaction we waited 5 days before starting
another food.  He was already dairy and soy free 8 months before
starting this. Two weeks after eliminating gluten, he slept through
the night for the first time and now sleeps 11 - 12 hours/night.

We also did electro-accupuncture testing (completely painless and
clinically proven 70% accurate which is higher than skin prick
testing). We will shortly be doing IGg testing to see if there are
some foods we can add back in.

My son is now almost completely symptom free behaviorally (he lost his
drunken sailor walk after we eliminated bananas) and stopped
headbanging completely after we finally eliminated corn flours (we had
added them after we had completed the elimination diet as he was too
young at the time to introduce corn). We have seen amazing results
personality-wise with homeopathic remedies at the same time.

I know this diet works as if my son eats even the tiniest amount of
these foods, we are back to headbanging, spinning, and not sleeping
for days on end.

I will agree with you that the doctor should have explained more and
at least told Kelly about the premise of a food elimination diet and
how to do one to see if certain foods make a difference and at his
age, the foods should not be eliminated all at once.

Soy is a huge problem for my son, including soy lecithin.

Hope it's helpful.
Truly,
Erica

Andy wrote:
> Hydrogenated fat exclusion works better for a lot of kids than any of
> these.
>
> Also a high protein, high fat, modest carbohydrate diet works well for
> most kids (unless they are OCD, oppositional, depressive, self
> injurious types who need high carbs).

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "Maria & Jack Rawlings"
<jamaraw@a...> wrote:
> Keith,
> Checkout www.ccid.org
> .It may answer some of your questions.My son has always improved
after being on antibiotics that are antivirals as well.i am not
giving him doses of COQ10,Quercetin,Virustat,Monolaurin,Sam-E.These
all kill the chemokines which are foods the viruses feed off of.I
have seen a very normal child when giving these supps.
> Maria R
>
MAria

I am confused

you are or you are NOT giving him these supplements?

I didnt know antibiotics could be antiviral as well either. When he
has antibiotics we generally see a down swing in behavior which I
have always attributed to yeast buildups from the antibiotic killing
off competing bacteria.

Keith

Hi Barb,
It's definitely never too late to chelate!So happy for you and your child.

MariaR

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Moria,

We have learned our lesson.  I feel so bad for our son.  He did so
wonderful with the procedure for not being put totally under and now
we have to put him through it again.  My heart is breaking inside for
him.

Thank you so much for the information!

Jean


--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "moriamerri" <moriam@e...>
wrote:
> Hello Jean,
>
> > We took my 4 year old son to the dentist last week to have
cavities
> > filled (anesthesia and all) and I just found out this morning
that
> > they filled 6 of his teeth with mercury fillings.  We are on our
> 20th
> > round of chelation.  I didn't think they made them anymore.
>
> what a sad way to learn. They make them, they use them, and
> they say they are safe.  Read the American Dental Assoc's
> website sometime -- read their FAQ about mercury, for example.
> This is an organazation whom many or most dentists will
> consider highly legit and authoritative.  It will give you
> a VERY different slant on the meaning of it all!
>
> I go to a dentist who uses some amalgam. My "chart" says
> IN SEVERAL PLACES "no amalgam".  In spite of this, I also
> listen and ask question EVERY TIME there is prep for a
> filling.  In the case of a child, if you choose to continue
> with a dentist who uses amalgam, you should take great
> care to be present and ask questions.  Of course, the
> other choice is to go to a dentist who does not use
> amalgam.  Of course, I don't need to tell YOU this!
> I am sure you will NEVER EVER allow this mistake again.
>
>
> > My question is how soon can they start seeing the effects of the
> > mercury and once out since it is early on will we see good
results
> > since we are in the middle of chelating?
>
> well, let's look at the bright side: the amalgam will be removed
> soon, unlike most people who have the stuff for years and years.
> You will get them out soon. By the way, you need to take
> precautions about having the junk drilled out too!
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-
Mercury/files/HOW_TO_find_doctor
> You can look for a dentist experienced with this and you
> can read the protocols and decide what you think is best.
>
> > I assume that we can't
> give
> > him the DMSA/ALA until the fillings are out, right?
>
> Correct.  And once they are all out, you wait a bit to
> use DMSA and 3 months or more to use ALA.
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury/files/Andy_dose_sched
>
> This is really such a sad story.  The downside is huge---
> the expense, the trouble, the mercury exposure.  aaagggghhhhhhhh
>
> best,
> Moria

Andy,

Should I continue with the selenomethionine alternating with
methyselenocysteine after we get the fillings removed?

What other supplements should we be giving him to enhance emtlas
transport?

How long do you recommend that we wait to chelate again once they are
removed?

Thanks so much for your help?

Jean




--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "andrew" <alevin@i...> wrote:
>
> hopefully they are small fillings.
>
> what a disaster
>
> i strongly recommend .85mcg selenomethionine daily alternating
> with methyselenocysteine. you will probably have to look at zinc
and
> a few other supplemnts to enhance emtlas transport as well.
>
> you definitely can't chelate(not that i think its the optimal
> approach anyway preffering metals transport enhancement)
>
> the dentist is criminally negligent
>
> i wonder if the dentist is also a bit mercury toxic, like how often
> does she get sick. a woman i know here is in the extrodinary
position
> of having had a lupus like condtion and now wth her anti-clotting
> protiens recovering as her mercury level drops from having all her
> amalgams removed and following a metals transport enhancement
> supplementation regieme is getting better and could be off warfarin
> soon and her doctor,(also a woman) with a mouthfull of amaglams and
> always in denial about mercury causing her problems is now getting
> more overtly mercury toxic and showing early stage dementia.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "jeankrum"
<Krumenacker@r...>
> wrote:
> > Hi, all!
> >
> > We took my 4 year old son to the dentist last week to have
cavities
> > filled (anesthesia and all) and I just found out this morning
that
> > they filled 6 of his teeth with mercury fillings.  We are on our
> 20th
> > round of chelation.  I didn't think they made them anymore.  The
> only
> > reason that I called the doctor was because I was at a conference
> on
> > Saturday and Stephanie Cave spoke of a child who had been
chelating
> > for 8 months and got 1 amalgram filling and lost her speech
within
> 3
> > weeks.
> >
> > I called the dentist this morning but she is out sick.  I am sick
> to
> > death about this.  I guess it is a blessing in disguise that I
just
> > happened to go to this conference 3 days after getting the
> fillings.
> >
> > My question is how soon can they start seeing the effects of the
> > mercury and once out since it is early on will we see good
results
> > since we are in the middle of chelating?  I assume that we can't
> give
> > him the DMSA/ALA until the fillings are out, right?
> >
> > Thanks for any help!
> >
> > Jean

Hello Jean,

> We took my 4 year old son to the dentist last week to have cavities
> filled (anesthesia and all) and I just found out this morning that
> they filled 6 of his teeth with mercury fillings.  We are on our
20th
> round of chelation.  I didn't think they made them anymore.

what a sad way to learn. They make them, they use them, and
they say they are safe.  Read the American Dental Assoc's
website sometime -- read their FAQ about mercury, for example.
This is an organazation whom many or most dentists will
consider highly legit and authoritative.  It will give you
a VERY different slant on the meaning of it all!

I go to a dentist who uses some amalgam. My "chart" says
IN SEVERAL PLACES "no amalgam".  In spite of this, I also
listen and ask question EVERY TIME there is prep for a
filling.  In the case of a child, if you choose to continue
with a dentist who uses amalgam, you should take great
care to be present and ask questions.  Of course, the
other choice is to go to a dentist who does not use
amalgam.  Of course, I don't need to tell YOU this!
I am sure you will NEVER EVER allow this mistake again.


> My question is how soon can they start seeing the effects of the
> mercury and once out since it is early on will we see good results
> since we are in the middle of chelating?

well, let's look at the bright side: the amalgam will be removed
soon, unlike most people who have the stuff for years and years.
You will get them out soon. By the way, you need to take
precautions about having the junk drilled out too!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury/files/HOW_TO_find_doctor
You can look for a dentist experienced with this and you
can read the protocols and decide what you think is best.

> I assume that we can't
give
> him the DMSA/ALA until the fillings are out, right?

Correct.  And once they are all out, you wait a bit to
use DMSA and 3 months or more to use ALA.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury/files/Andy_dose_sched

This is really such a sad story.  The downside is huge---
the expense, the trouble, the mercury exposure.  aaagggghhhhhhhh

best,
Moria

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "zoelle1995" <rashikino@n...>
wrote:
> Hi, Is DmPS available only by prescription? I need try and get rid
of
> some of the copper in my daughter and have increased her zinc so I
> cannot start the ALA yet, so Im thought I may want to do a few
rounds
> of dmps and then do the dmsa/ala combo later on. So if anyone would
> please let me know if this is a good ideal and if I need a script to
> get the dmps and if not where can I get it...My daugther is 7.5 yrs
> old and 60 pds..
> Thanks so much
> Julie

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury/files/HOW_TO_buy_DMSA
read the DMPS section.

best,
Moria