List,Please Help!We have received our DDI hair test results!!!  We do

have 2 red toxic elements and 2 red essential elements. I did the

counting rules and it looks like my child is not mercury toxic.

Could someone please double check for me in case I am reading it

wrong. I have been reading this list deligently EVERYDAY since June

of 2001 in preparation for chelation but now do we need to do

chelation????  Is above average only the red range or does it include

the yellow too-green is good, right?(in the reference range)?  We

give our son Epsom Salt baths every other night and I think this may

have impacted his red off the page Magnesium - his sulfur was green

though.  Thank you to anyone who can help.



         My 3 year old autistic son's DDI hair results:



Essential Elements (HIGH IS GOING TO RIGHT, LOW IS GOING TO LEFT):

ELEMENTS    RESULTS   COLOR     HIGH/LOW   REFERENCE RANGE



Calcium       137      green     low        125-370

Magnesium     130      RED       high       12-30

Sodium        22       green     low         12-90

Potassium     13       green     low         12-40

Copper        13       green     high        8.0-16

Zinc          130      white     middle dot  100-190

Manganese     0.05     RED       low         0.2-0.55

Chromium      0.23     Yellow    low         0.26-0.5

Vanadium      0.053    white     middle      0.03-0.1

Molybdenum    0.061    green     low         0.05-0.13

Boron         1.4      green     low         0.6-4.0

Iodine        3.0      Yellow    high        0.25-1.3

Lithium       0.045    Yellow    high        0.007-0.023

Phosphorus    191      green     low         160-250

Selenium      0.89     Yellow    low         0.95-1.7

Strontium     0.69     green     high        0.16-1.0

Sulfur        52800    green     high        45500-53000

Barium        0.19     green     low         0.16-0.8

Cobalt        0.011    Yellow    low         0.013-0.035

Iron          6.6      Yellow    low         8.0-19

Germanium     0.051    green     low         0.045-0.065

Rubidium      0.015    Yellow    low         0.016-0.18

Zirconium     0.62     green     high        0.04-1.0



                HIS POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

TOXIC EL  %COLOR   RESULT   REFERENCE RANGE

Aluminum  green    5.9      <8.0

Antimony  green    .059     <.066

Arsenic   green    .07      <.08

Beryllium no color<.01      <.02

Bismuth   RED-OFF-PAGE-2.2  <.13

Cadmium   green    .041     <.15

Lead      green    .25      <1.0

Mercury   green    .03      <.4

Platinum  no color<.0003    <.005

Thallium  no color<.001     <.01

Thorium   no color<.001     <.005

Uranium   green    .017     <.06

Nickel    green    .07      <.4

Silver    green    .05      <.2

Tin       green    .23      <.3

Titanium  RED      3.2      <1.0

TOTAL TOXIC REPRESENTATION: Green but very close to yellow



"Counting rules:



The result is abnormal and suggests heavy metal intoxication if any

of the following criteria are met:



1. The number of essential elements "very elevated" and "very low" is

4 or more. {(Is this red only-we had 2 in red -1 low and 1 high, if

we count the yellow it would add 7 more-2 high and 5 low)}



2. The number of essential elements entirely inside the middle band

is 14 or less.  {(white area? we had 2 in the white)}



3. The number of essential elements above average is EITHER 5 or less

OR it is 18 or more.  {(Very confused here as to what is above

average - We have 1 red high, 2 yellow high, and 6 green high - that

would be 9 that are above the 50th percentile, is this right??)}"



Thank you in advance,

Theresa M, San Antonio, TX

Hello Theresa,

As I count this, I get:



a. number very elevated or very low = 2  [yes-- this means red only]

NORMAL



b. number in middle band = 14  [this means white and green on either side]

ABNORMAL, but just barely so.



c. number above average = 9  [yes-- I counted the same way you did---

anything on the right in red yellow or green areas]

NORMAL



best wishes,

Moria





>List,Please Help!We have received our DDI hair test results!!!  We do

>have 2 red toxic elements and 2 red essential elements. I did the

>counting rules and it looks like my child is not mercury toxic.

>Could someone please double check for me in case I am reading it

>wrong. I have been reading this list deligently EVERYDAY since June

>of 2001 in preparation for chelation but now do we need to do

>chelation????  Is above average only the red range or does it include

>the yellow too-green is good, right?(in the reference range)?  We

>give our son Epsom Salt baths every other night and I think this may

>have impacted his red off the page Magnesium - his sulfur was green

>though.  Thank you to anyone who can help.

>

>        My 3 year old autistic son's DDI hair results:

>

>Essential Elements (HIGH IS GOING TO RIGHT, LOW IS GOING TO LEFT):

>ELEMENTS    RESULTS   COLOR     HIGH/LOW   REFERENCE RANGE

>

>Calcium       137      green     low        125-370

>Magnesium     130      RED       high       12-30

>Sodium        22       green     low         12-90

>Potassium     13       green     low         12-40

>Copper        13       green     high        8.0-16

>Zinc          130      white     middle dot  100-190

>Manganese     0.05     RED       low         0.2-0.55

>Chromium      0.23     Yellow    low         0.26-0.5

>Vanadium      0.053    white     middle      0.03-0.1

>Molybdenum    0.061    green     low         0.05-0.13

>Boron         1.4      green     low         0.6-4.0

>Iodine        3.0      Yellow    high        0.25-1.3

>Lithium       0.045    Yellow    high        0.007-0.023

>Phosphorus    191      green     low         160-250

>Selenium      0.89     Yellow    low         0.95-1.7

>Strontium     0.69     green     high        0.16-1.0

>Sulfur        52800    green     high        45500-53000

>Barium        0.19     green     low         0.16-0.8

>Cobalt        0.011    Yellow    low         0.013-0.035

>Iron          6.6      Yellow    low         8.0-19

>Germanium     0.051    green     low         0.045-0.065

>Rubidium      0.015    Yellow    low         0.016-0.18

>Zirconium     0.62     green     high        0.04-1.0

>

>               HIS POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

>TOXIC EL  %COLOR   RESULT   REFERENCE RANGE

>Aluminum  green    5.9      <8.0

>Antimony  green    .059     <.066

>Arsenic   green    .07      <.08

>Beryllium no color<.01      <.02

>Bismuth   RED-OFF-PAGE-2.2  <.13

>Cadmium   green    .041     <.15

>Lead      green    .25      <1.0

>Mercury   green    .03      <.4

>Platinum  no color<.0003    <.005

>Thallium  no color<.001     <.01

>Thorium   no color<.001     <.005

>Uranium   green    .017     <.06

>Nickel    green    .07      <.4

>Silver    green    .05      <.2

>Tin       green    .23      <.3

>Titanium  RED      3.2      <1.0

>TOTAL TOXIC REPRESENTATION: Green but very close to yellow

>

>"Counting rules:

>

>The result is abnormal and suggests heavy metal intoxication if any

>of the following criteria are met:

>

>1. The number of essential elements "very elevated" and "very low" is

>4 or more. {(Is this red only-we had 2 in red -1 low and 1 high, if

>we count the yellow it would add 7 more-2 high and 5 low)}

>

>2. The number of essential elements entirely inside the middle band

>is 14 or less.  {(white area? we had 2 in the white)}

>

>3. The number of essential elements above average is EITHER 5 or less

>OR it is 18 or more.  {(Very confused here as to what is above

>average - We have 1 red high, 2 yellow high, and 6 green high - that

>would be 9 that are above the 50th percentile, is this right??)}"

>

>Thank you in advance,

>Theresa M, San Antonio, TX

The essential elements do not satisfy the counting rules, suggesting

that mineral transport is normal and healthy.



That given, the elevated toxic elements may well be real.



Bismuth is known to induce encephalopathy.  It is worth checking into

these.



Andy



--- In Autism-Mercury@y..., "autismzone" <autismzone@y...> wrote:

> List,Please Help!We have received our DDI hair test results!!!  We

do

> have 2 red toxic elements and 2 red essential elements. I did the

> counting rules and it looks like my child is not mercury toxic.

> Could someone please double check for me in case I am reading it

> wrong. I have been reading this list deligently EVERYDAY since June

> of 2001 in preparation for chelation but now do we need to do

> chelation????  Is above average only the red range or does it

include

> the yellow too-green is good, right?(in the reference range)?  We

> give our son Epsom Salt baths every other night and I think this may

> have impacted his red off the page Magnesium - his sulfur was green

> though.  Thank you to anyone who can help.

>

>         My 3 year old autistic son's DDI hair results:

>

> Essential Elements (HIGH IS GOING TO RIGHT, LOW IS GOING TO LEFT):

> ELEMENTS    RESULTS   COLOR     HIGH/LOW   REFERENCE RANGE

>

> Calcium       137      green     low        125-370

> Magnesium     130      RED       high       12-30

> Sodium        22       green     low         12-90

> Potassium     13       green     low         12-40

> Copper        13       green     high        8.0-16

> Zinc          130      white     middle dot  100-190

> Manganese     0.05     RED       low         0.2-0.55

> Chromium      0.23     Yellow    low         0.26-0.5

> Vanadium      0.053    white     middle      0.03-0.1

> Molybdenum    0.061    green     low         0.05-0.13

> Boron         1.4      green     low         0.6-4.0

> Iodine        3.0      Yellow    high        0.25-1.3

> Lithium       0.045    Yellow    high        0.007-0.023

> Phosphorus    191      green     low         160-250

> Selenium      0.89     Yellow    low         0.95-1.7

> Strontium     0.69     green     high        0.16-1.0

> Sulfur        52800    green     high        45500-53000

> Barium        0.19     green     low         0.16-0.8

> Cobalt        0.011    Yellow    low         0.013-0.035

> Iron          6.6      Yellow    low         8.0-19

> Germanium     0.051    green     low         0.045-0.065

> Rubidium      0.015    Yellow    low         0.016-0.18

> Zirconium     0.62     green     high        0.04-1.0

>

>                HIS POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

> TOXIC EL  %COLOR   RESULT   REFERENCE RANGE

> Aluminum  green    5.9      <8.0

> Antimony  green    .059     <.066

> Arsenic   green    .07      <.08

> Beryllium no color<.01      <.02

> Bismuth   RED-OFF-PAGE-2.2  <.13

> Cadmium   green    .041     <.15

> Lead      green    .25      <1.0

> Mercury   green    .03      <.4

> Platinum  no color<.0003    <.005

> Thallium  no color<.001     <.01

> Thorium   no color<.001     <.005

> Uranium   green    .017     <.06

> Nickel    green    .07      <.4

> Silver    green    .05      <.2

> Tin       green    .23      <.3

> Titanium  RED      3.2      <1.0

> TOTAL TOXIC REPRESENTATION: Green but very close to yellow

>

> "Counting rules:

>

> The result is abnormal and suggests heavy metal intoxication if any

> of the following criteria are met:

>

> 1. The number of essential elements "very elevated" and "very low"

is

> 4 or more. {(Is this red only-we had 2 in red -1 low and 1 high, if

> we count the yellow it would add 7 more-2 high and 5 low)}

>

> 2. The number of essential elements entirely inside the middle band

> is 14 or less.  {(white area? we had 2 in the white)}

>

> 3. The number of essential elements above average is EITHER 5 or

less

> OR it is 18 or more.  {(Very confused here as to what is above

> average - We have 1 red high, 2 yellow high, and 6 green high - that

> would be 9 that are above the 50th percentile, is this right??)}"

>

> Thank you in advance,

> Theresa M, San Anton

I started researching Encephalopathy that Andy mentioned.

Has anyone else's child tested high for Bismuth?

Does this sound like autism?



"Myalgic Encephalopathy/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is a complex disease

affecting the brain and immune system. It is characterised by

neurological, gastrointestinal and musculoskeletal symptoms, pain and

disabling fatigue. It is a chronic disease which can result in major

disruption to educational, social, physical and emotional development

for many months or years. Onset of the syndrome may be sudden,

triggered by infection, or gradual, where diagnosis may be missed and

misinterpreted as school phobia, anxiety/depression or lack of

motivation."  I have heard Dr. Goldberg speak and read his papers.

Not sure how much this has to do with it.



"Neurological:

dizziness headache, pressure pain

noise and light sensitivity

cognition dysfunction (word recall, short-term memory, concentration)

visual disturbances (blurring, eye pain)

sleep disturbance

irritability, mood swings, distress, despair or depression

(frequently parallel with disease fluctuation).

abrupt episodes of anxiety/panic



Gastrointestinal:

nausea, loss of appetite

diarrhea

abdominal pain

reflux

food intolerances



I also found information relating "mad-cow" disease (I had food

poisoning when pregnant with my son from a taco salad-beef), chronic

fatigue syndrome, Michael Goldberg, and vaccinations using bovine.



Any thoughts since my autistic son's Bismuth was off the page/red for

the DDI hair test.



Thanks in advance for anyone having any thoughts on this.

Theresa, San Antonio, TX











--- In Autism-Mercury@y..., "andrewhallcutler" <AndyCutler@a...>

wrote:

> The essential elements do not satisfy the counting rules,

suggesting that mineral transport is normal and healthy.

That given, the elevated toxic elements may well be real.

Bismuth is known to induce encephalopathy.  It is worth checking into

these. Andy

Forgive me if I am wrong but it seems to me that according to the

second criterium of counting rules (number of essental elements

inside the middle band is 14 or less) your child is mercury toxic. At

least, my child also has 14, and his test for blood erithrocites

shows elevated mercury.

Margaret



--- In Autism-Mercury@y..., "autismzone" <autismzone@y...> wrote:

> I started researching Encephalopathy that Andy mentioned.

> Has anyone else's child tested high for Bismuth?

> Does this sound like autism?

>

> "Myalgic Encephalopathy/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is a complex

disease

> affecting the brain and immune system. It is characterised by

> neurological, gastrointestinal and musculoskeletal symptoms, pain

and

> disabling fatigue. It is a chronic disease which can result in

major

> disruption to educational, social, physical and emotional

development

> for many months or years. Onset of the syndrome may be sudden,

> triggered by infection, or gradual, where diagnosis may be missed

and

> misinterpreted as school phobia, anxiety/depression or lack of

> motivation."  I have heard Dr. Goldberg speak and read his papers.

> Not sure how much this has to do with it.

>

> "Neurological:

> dizziness headache, pressure pain

> noise and light sensitivity

> cognition dysfunction (word recall, short-term memory,

concentration)

> visual disturbances (blurring, eye pain)

> sleep disturbance

> irritability, mood swings, distress, despair or depression

> (frequently parallel with disease fluctuation).

> abrupt episodes of anxiety/panic

>

> Gastrointestinal:

> nausea, loss of appetite

> diarrhea

> abdominal pain

> reflux

> food intolerances

>

> I also found information relating "mad-cow" disease (I had food

> poisoning when pregnant with my son from a taco salad-beef),

chronic

> fatigue syndrome, Michael Goldberg, and vaccinations using bovine.

>

> Any thoughts since my autistic son's Bismuth was off the page/red

for

> the DDI hair test.

>

> Thanks in advance for anyone having any thoughts on this.

> Theresa, San Antonio, TX

>

>

>

>

>

> --- In Autism-Mercury@y..., "andrewhallcutler" <AndyCutler@a...>

> wrote:

> > The essential elements do not satisfy the counting rules,

> suggesting that mineral transport is normal and healthy.

> That given, the elevated toxic elements may well be real.

> Bismuth is known to induce encephalopathy.  It is worth checking

into

> these. Andy

Yes, he has 14, with 2 that are barely yellows (right over the green

into yellow).  I was worried that his magnesium was incorrect since

we give Epsom Salt Baths and rinse his hair with the magnesium

sulfate (he was red for this) and maybe it would not have been

abnormal if we were not giving him the baths.  Being that close I am

concerned that chelation may not help.



"At least, my child also has 14, and his test for blood erithrocites

shows elevated mercury."  Are you chelating?  Could you tell me more

about the blood test for erithrocites and what it tests-just mercury

problems?  Did your child's hair test show any toxic elements in the

red?



Thanks for your help!!!  Theresa





--- In Autism-Mercury@y..., "igorginzburg" <imginzburg@e...> wrote:

> Forgive me if I am wrong but it seems to me that according to the

> second criterium of counting rules (number of essental elements

> inside the middle band is 14 or less) your child is mercury toxic.

At

> least, my child also has 14, and his test for blood erithrocites

> shows elevated mercury.

> Margaret

>

> --- In Autism-Mercury@y..., "autismzone" <autismzone@y...> wrote:

> > I started researching Encephalopathy that Andy mentioned.

> > Has anyone else's child tested high for Bismuth?

> > Does this sound like autism?

> >

> > "Myalgic Encephalopathy/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is a complex

> disease

> > affecting the brain and immune system. It is characterised by

> > neurological, gastrointestinal and musculoskeletal symptoms, pain

> and

> > disabling fatigue. It is a chronic disease which can result in

> major

> > disruption to educational, social, physical and emotional

> development

> > for many months or years. Onset of the syndrome may be sudden,

> > triggered by infection, or gradual, where diagnosis may be missed

> and

> > misinterpreted as school phobia, anxiety/depression or lack of

> > motivation."  I have heard Dr. Goldberg speak and read his

papers.

> > Not sure how much this has to do with it.

> >

> > "Neurological:

> > dizziness headache, pressure pain

> > noise and light sensitivity

> > cognition dysfunction (word recall, short-term memory,

> concentration)

> > visual disturbances (blurring, eye pain)

> > sleep disturbance

> > irritability, mood swings, distress, despair or depression

> > (frequently parallel with disease fluctuation).

> > abrupt episodes of anxiety/panic

> >

> > Gastrointestinal:

> > nausea, loss of appetite

> > diarrhea

> > abdominal pain

> > reflux

> > food intolerances

> >

> > I also found information relating "mad-cow" disease (I had food

> > poisoning when pregnant with my son from a taco salad-beef),

> chronic

> > fatigue syndrome, Michael Goldberg, and vaccinations using bovine.

> >

> > Any thoughts since my autistic son's Bismuth was off the page/red

> for

> > the DDI hair test.

> >

> > Thanks in advance for anyone having any thoughts on this.

> > Theresa, San Antonio, TX

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --- In Autism-Mercury@y..., "andrewhallcutler" <AndyCutler@a...>

> > wrote:

> > > The essential elements do not satisfy the counting rules,

> > suggesting that mineral transport is normal and healthy.

> > That given, the elevated toxic elements may well be real.

> > Bismuth is known to induce encephalopathy.  It is worth checking

> into

> > these. Andy

Hi Theresa,

David's hair test shows antimony and silver in red, and aluminum,

cadmium, lead,uranium in yellow. As I said, he had 14 essential

elements in the middle band, with some characteristic pattern - high

Ca and Mg and low Na and K.  We did Elemental Analysis (packed

erythrocytes) from Great Smokies Laboratory for toxic and essential

elements, to my surprise, it showed elevated mercury and silver from

toxic elements and elevated copper and molybdenum from essential

elements. All other elements were normal. I don't know how to

interpret this result, may be, it means that he had recent exposure.

I stopped breastfeeding David in June, and the test was done in

November, and I had 4 amalgams, may be he could get this mercury and

silver from my amalgams. Or may be some of nutrients which he was

taking could mobilize mercury and silver from within the cells - I

don't know. It's interesting that I saw immediate improvement in him

after I stopped breastfeeding (I did not know anything about autism

at that time, and did not use any intervention). We started chelation

with DMSA only, and I see improvements after each round. Today he

played football the first time (I could not believe - but his father

swears). After first round I did not see difference, but his behavior

therapist asked me:" what are you doing with him? He does things he

never did before." During the second round he agreed the first time

to ride the bycicle, and we were riding on all the cars in "Toys are

us" for an hour ( and bought one car, and he loves it!).I did pre-

and post- provocative urine test during the first round. Pre- test

showed some arsenic, mercury, nickel, tin and cadmium coming out (all

in green), and very little lead. Post-  test showed a lot of lead

coming out (39 - reference range 15), tin also was in yellow, and no

mercury at all. May be DMSA binds first with lead? I don't know but I

am sure that mercury is still there.

I think that if you are not sure if your child has mercury toxicity

or not you can just try to start chelation and see if your son has

improvements or not. Urine test may also show if you are getting

anything out or not. I believe that just one or two rounds of DMSA

are pretty safe. David just turned three, his weight is about 32 lbs,

we used 75mg DMSA every 4 hours and did not have any problems.

Do you see benefits from epsom salt baths? I agree, they could give

wrong result for Mg, but if they help may be they could also

normalize some mineral transport(just an idea...)

Best wishes,

Margaret



--- In Autism-Mercury@y..., "autismzone" <autismzone@y...> wrote:

> Yes, he has 14, with 2 that are barely yellows (right over the

green

> into yellow).  I was worried that his magnesium was incorrect since

> we give Epsom Salt Baths and rinse his hair with the magnesium

> sulfate (he was red for this) and maybe it would not have been

> abnormal if we were not giving him the baths.  Being that close I

am

> concerned that chelation may not help.

>

> "At least, my child also has 14, and his test for blood

erithrocites

> shows elevated mercury."  Are you chelating?  Could you tell me

more

> about the blood test for erithrocites and what it tests-just

mercury

> problems?  Did your child's hair test show any toxic elements in

the

> red?

>

> Thanks for your help!!!  Theresa

>

>

> --- In Autism-Mercury@y..., "igorginzburg" <imginzburg@e...> wrote:

> > Forgive me if I am wrong but it seems to me that according to the

> > second criterium of counting rules (number of essental elements

> > inside the middle band is 14 or less) your child is mercury

toxic.

> At

> > least, my child also has 14, and his test for blood erithrocites

> > shows elevated mercury.

> > Margaret

> >

> > --- In Autism-Mercury@y..., "autismzone" <autismzone@y...> wrote:

> > > I started researching Encephalopathy that Andy mentioned.

> > > Has anyone else's child tested high for Bismuth?

> > > Does this sound like autism?

> > >

> > > "Myalgic Encephalopathy/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is a complex

> > disease

> > > affecting the brain and immune system. It is characterised by

> > > neurological, gastrointestinal and musculoskeletal symptoms,

pain

> > and

> > > disabling fatigue. It is a chronic disease which can result in

> > major

> > > disruption to educational, social, physical and emotional

> > development

> > > for many months or years. Onset of the syndrome may be sudden,

> > > triggered by infection, or gradual, where diagnosis may be

missed

> > and

> > > misinterpreted as school phobia, anxiety/depression or lack of

> > > motivation."  I have heard Dr. Goldberg speak and read his

> papers.

> > > Not sure how much this has to do with it.

> > >

> > > "Neurological:

> > > dizziness headache, pressure pain

> > > noise and light sensitivity

> > > cognition dysfunction (word recall, short-term memory,

> > concentration)

> > > visual disturbances (blurring, eye pain)

> > > sleep disturbance

> > > irritability, mood swings, distress, despair or depression

> > > (frequently parallel with disease fluctuation).

> > > abrupt episodes of anxiety/panic

> > >

> > > Gastrointestinal:

> > > nausea, loss of appetite

> > > diarrhea

> > > abdominal pain

> > > reflux

> > > food intolerances

> > >

> > > I also found information relating "mad-cow" disease (I had food

> > > poisoning when pregnant with my son from a taco salad-beef),

> > chronic

> > > fatigue syndrome, Michael Goldberg, and vaccinations using

bovine.

> > >

> > > Any thoughts since my autistic son's Bismuth was off the

page/red

> > for

> > > the DDI hair test.

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance for anyone having any thoughts on this.

> > > Theresa, San Antonio, TX

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In Autism-Mercury@y..., "andrewhallcutler"

<AndyCutler@a...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > The essential elements do not satisfy the counting rules,

> > > suggesting that mineral transport is normal and healthy.

> > > That given, the elevated toxic elements may well be real.

> > > Bismuth is known to induce encephalopathy.  It is worth

checking

> > into

> > > these. Andy

Yes, I have been wondering about the Epsom Salt Baths normalizing

things.  I mentioned to Susan Owens once about a weird occurance.  My

son was sick on and off with a virus (throwing up and runny BMs) for

4 weeks.  He was only throwing up at night when my husband was at

work (he is a firefighter and works a very busy schedule of one 24 hr

shift  on and one 24 hr shift off, 1 on, 1 off, etc).  Basically I

was not getting any sleep when he was on shift.  He kept quizzing me -

"What are you feeding him when I am not here, what are you doing

different?"  "Nothing different," I would say.  We finally realized,

the only difference was the nights he was home, he would give my son

an Epsom Salt bath and let him soak for 25-30 minutes in it.  We

tested the theory by reversing it - me giving them to him when dad

was working and not when dad was home (just one time though).  It

followed the theory.  He threw up without the bath.  Weird, I know.

Coincidence-maybe.  This Autism Beast makes my head want to explode.

My son's only toxic elements out of the green area were Bismuth and

Titanium - both in red (no yellows).  He had a pyruvate kinase RBC

test done when he was 2 and it came back DETECTED and we were told

that pointed to mercury toxicity.  We have been convinced that this

was it.  Could his body have started to move it out on it's own?  I

am going to do another hair test in a few months and see if anything

is different.  I looked at the tests Amy Holmes suggested and we have

done some of those and they did not match what would indicate

mercury - in fact, some were opposite (high when low would indicate

mercury, and others were normal).  These tests were part of an immune

study we just completed.  Any thought?



Theresa, San Antonio, TX



--- In Autism-Mercury@y..., "igorginzburg" <imginzburg@e...> wrote:

> Hi Theresa,

> David's hair test shows antimony and silver in red, and aluminum,

> cadmium, lead,uranium in yellow. As I said, he had 14 essential

> elements in the middle band, with some characteristic pattern -

high

> Ca and Mg and low Na and K.  We did Elemental Analysis (packed

> erythrocytes) from Great Smokies Laboratory for toxic and essential

> elements, to my surprise, it showed elevated mercury and silver

from

> toxic elements and elevated copper and molybdenum from essential

> elements. All other elements were normal. I don't know how to

> interpret this result, may be, it means that he had recent

exposure.

> I stopped breastfeeding David in June, and the test was done in

> November, and I had 4 amalgams, may be he could get this mercury

and

> silver from my amalgams. Or may be some of nutrients which he was

> taking could mobilize mercury and silver from within the cells - I

> don't know. It's interesting that I saw immediate improvement in

him

> after I stopped breastfeeding (I did not know anything about autism

> at that time, and did not use any intervention). We started

chelation

> with DMSA only, and I see improvements after each round. Today he

> played football the first time (I could not believe - but his

father

> swears). After first round I did not see difference, but his

behavior

> therapist asked me:" what are you doing with him? He does things he

> never did before." During the second round he agreed the first time

> to ride the bycicle, and we were riding on all the cars in "Toys

are

> us" for an hour ( and bought one car, and he loves it!).I did pre-

> and post- provocative urine test during the first round. Pre- test

> showed some arsenic, mercury, nickel, tin and cadmium coming out

(all

> in green), and very little lead. Post-  test showed a lot of lead

> coming out (39 - reference range 15), tin also was in yellow, and

no

> mercury at all. May be DMSA binds first with lead? I don't know but

I

> am sure that mercury is still there.

> I think that if you are not sure if your child has mercury toxicity

> or not you can just try to start chelation and see if your son has

> improvements or not. Urine test may also show if you are getting

> anything out or not. I believe that just one or two rounds of DMSA

> are pretty safe. David just turned three, his weight is about 32

lbs,

> we used 75mg DMSA every 4 hours and did not have any problems.

> Do you see benefits from epsom salt baths? I agree, they could give

> wrong result for Mg, but if they help may be they could also

> normalize some mineral transport(just an idea...)

> Best wishes,

> Margaret

>

Hi :) Haven't given my son Transfer Factor in over a year now. Thought I

would try again since his immune system is haywire, ONCE again.,.Thought

I'd ask the "experts" rather than ask the 4-Life company...SO My son is

8 yrs old, 48 lbs, 48 inches...I bought the 90 capsule Plain Old

Transfer Factor....ANY Suggestions are MUCH appreciated! Thanks ;)-Shari

Mommy Chemist Extraordinaire







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> "What are you feeding him when I am not here, what are you doing

> different?"  "Nothing different," I would say.  We finally realized,

> the only difference was the nights he was home, he would give my son

> an Epsom Salt bath and let him soak for 25-30 minutes in it.  We

> tested the theory by reversing it - me giving them to him when dad

> was working and not when dad was home (just one time though).  It

> followed the theory.  He threw up without the bath.  Weird, I know.

> Coincidence-maybe.



Maybe.  Maybe not.  It is surprisingly hard to figure things out.



What sulfate does (among many other things) is to remove the

substances that act like adrenalin.  Adrenalin is what you get when

you are anxious, excited, scared, etc., and as you know people do puke

from anxiety all the time.  This is a known effect of adrenaline and

adrenaline like substances.



> This Autism Beast makes my head want to explode.

> My son's only toxic elements out of the green area were Bismuth and

> Titanium - both in red (no yellows).  He had a pyruvate kinase RBC

> test done when he was 2 and it came back DETECTED and we were told

> that pointed to mercury toxicity.



Who said this?



> We have been convinced that this

> was it.  Could his body have started to move it out on it's own?



Maybe.  A lot more likely mercury was never there and bismuth was.



> I

> am going to do another hair test in a few months and see if anything

> is different.  I looked at the tests Amy Holmes suggested and we

have

> done some of those and they did not match what would indicate

> mercury - in fact, some were opposite (high when low would indicate

> mercury, and others were normal).  These tests were part of an

immune

> study we just completed.  Any thought?



Do stuff about the bismuth or titanium, see what happes.  I do NOT

know what to do, but trying some DMSA for the bismuth may help.



Andy

>

> Theresa, San Anto

Hi,

My son's Bismuth was off the charts as well.  In fact this was the

highest marker on the test.  I just thought it was because of mercury

poisoning.  It could be due to something else?  I am going to

research this also.

Thanks,

Laura









-- In Autism-Mercury@y..., "autismzone" <autismzone@y...> wrote:

> I started researching Encephalopathy that Andy mentioned.

> Has anyone else's child tested high for Bismuth?

> Does this sound like autism?

>

> "Myalgic Encephalopathy/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is a complex

disease

> affecting the brain and immune system. It is characterised by

> neurological, gastrointestinal and musculoskeletal symptoms, pain

and

> disabling fatigue. It is a chronic disease which can result in

major

> disruption to educational, social, physical and emotional

development

> for many months or years. Onset of the syndrome may be sudden,

> triggered by infection, or gradual, where diagnosis may be missed

and

> misinterpreted as school phobia, anxiety/depression or lack of

> motivation."  I have heard Dr. Goldberg speak and read his papers.

> Not sure how much this has to do with it.

>

> "Neurological:

> dizziness headache, pressure pain

> noise and light sensitivity

> cognition dysfunction (word recall, short-term memory,

concentration)

> visual disturbances (blurring, eye pain)

> sleep disturbance

> irritability, mood swings, distress, despair or depression

> (frequently parallel with disease fluctuation).

> abrupt episodes of anxiety/panic

>

> Gastrointestinal:

> nausea, loss of appetite

> diarrhea

> abdominal pain

> reflux

> food intolerances

>

> I also found information relating "mad-cow" disease (I had food

> poisoning when pregnant with my son from a taco salad-beef),

chronic

> fatigue syndrome, Michael Goldberg, and vaccinations using bovine.

>

> Any thoughts since my autistic son's Bismuth was off the page/red

for

> the DDI hair test.

>

> Thanks in advance for anyone having any thoughts on this.

> Theresa, San Antonio, TX

>

>

>

>

>

> --- In Autism-Mercury@y..., "andrewhallcutler" <AndyCutler@a...>

> wrote:

> > The essential elements do not satisfy the counting rules,

> suggesting that mineral transport is normal and healthy.

> That given, the elevated toxic elements may well be real.

> Bismuth is known to induce encephalopathy.  It is worth checking

into

> these. Andy

Hi Andy,



Some questions about interpreting the Toxic Elements results when

mineral transport seems normal:



How does one know what "elevated" means when the reference ranges are

arbitrary (are they not)?



Is the appearance of ANY mercury, even within the reference range,

significant?



Dr. Holmes told me that some very highly mercury-toxic kids show NO

MERCURY on the Toxic Elements portion, so that the appearance of ANY

mercury is significant.  (She based her mercury-toxic diagnosis of my

daughter, however, on several test results, including the MetaMetrix

Urine Organix Profile.)



My daughter's mineral transport is normal, according to your

assessment (you told me to look at the Toxic Elements portion),

although she does meet the counting rules criteria for abnormality on

at least 1 count.  Her mercury on the Toxic Elements portion

is .23ug/g, ref. = <.4, about 60% into the green band.



How could she show ANY mercury on a hair test that was taken 3 years

after her last known mercury insult (vaccination and nursing) when

the hair specimen submitted was about an inch next to the scalp, i.e.

about 2 month-old hair?  Even if one were to assume that the mercury

came from environmental sources, wouldn't the mercury-toxic kids show

it more often too?  (Dr. Holmes said many of them show nothing on the

Toxic portion.)



Thanks for the time and answers.



Mireille





--- In Autism-Mercury@y..., "andrewhallcutler" <AndyCutler@a...>

wrote:

> The essential elements do not satisfy the counting rules,

suggesting

> that mineral transport is normal and healthy.

>

> That given, the elevated toxic elements may well be real.

>

> Bismuth is known to induce encephalopathy.  It is worth checking

into

> these.

>

> Andy

>

> --- In Autism-Mercury@y..., "autismzone" <autismzone@y...> wrote:

> > List,Please Help!We have received our DDI hair test results!!!

We

> do

> > have 2 red toxic elements and 2 red essential elements. I did the

> > counting rules and it looks like my child is not mercury toxic.

> > Could someone please double check for me in case I am reading it

> > wrong. I have been reading this list deligently EVERYDAY since

June

> > of 2001 in preparation for chelation but now do we need to do

> > chelation????  Is above average only the red range or does it

> include

> > the yellow too-green is good, right?(in the reference range)?  We

> > give our son Epsom Salt baths every other night and I think this

may

> > have impacted his red off the page Magnesium - his sulfur was

green

> > though.  Thank you to anyone who can help.

> >

> >         My 3 year old autistic son's DDI hair results:

> >

> > Essential Elements (HIGH IS GOING TO RIGHT, LOW IS GOING TO LEFT):

> > ELEMENTS    RESULTS   COLOR     HIGH/LOW   REFERENCE RANGE

> >

> > Calcium       137      green     low        125-370

> > Magnesium     130      RED       high       12-30

> > Sodium        22       green     low         12-90

> > Potassium     13       green     low         12-40

> > Copper        13       green     high        8.0-16

> > Zinc          130      white     middle dot  100-190

> > Manganese     0.05     RED       low         0.2-0.55

> > Chromium      0.23     Yellow    low         0.26-0.5

> > Vanadium      0.053    white     middle      0.03-0.1

> > Molybdenum    0.061    green     low         0.05-0.13

> > Boron         1.4      green     low         0.6-4.0

> > Iodine        3.0      Yellow    high        0.25-1.3

> > Lithium       0.045    Yellow    high        0.007-0.023

> > Phosphorus    191      green     low         160-250

> > Selenium      0.89     Yellow    low         0.95-1.7

> > Strontium     0.69     green     high        0.16-1.0

> > Sulfur        52800    green     high        45500-53000

> > Barium        0.19     green     low         0.16-0.8

> > Cobalt        0.011    Yellow    low         0.013-0.035

> > Iron          6.6      Yellow    low         8.0-19

> > Germanium     0.051    green     low         0.045-0.065

> > Rubidium      0.015    Yellow    low         0.016-0.18

> > Zirconium     0.62     green     high        0.04-1.0

> >

> >                HIS POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

> > TOXIC EL  %COLOR   RESULT   REFERENCE RANGE

> > Aluminum  green    5.9      <8.0

> > Antimony  green    .059     <.066

> > Arsenic   green    .07      <.08

> > Beryllium no color<.01      <.02

> > Bismuth   RED-OFF-PAGE-2.2  <.13

> > Cadmium   green    .041     <.15

> > Lead      green    .25      <1.0

> > Mercury   green    .03      <.4

> > Platinum  no color<.0003    <.005

> > Thallium  no color<.001     <.01

> > Thorium   no color<.001     <.005

> > Uranium   green    .017     <.06

> > Nickel    green    .07      <.4

> > Silver    green    .05      <.2

> > Tin       green    .23      <.3

> > Titanium  RED      3.2      <1.0

> > TOTAL TOXIC REPRESENTATION: Green but very close to yellow

> >

> > "Counting rules:

> >

> > The result is abnormal and suggests heavy metal intoxication if

any

> > of the following criteria are met:

> >

> > 1. The number of essential elements "very elevated" and "very

low"

> is

> > 4 or more. {(Is this red only-we had 2 in red -1 low and 1 high,

if

> > we count the yellow it would add 7 more-2 high and 5 low)}

> >

> > 2. The number of essential elements entirely inside the middle

band

> > is 14 or less.  {(white area? we had 2 in the white)}

> >

> > 3. The number of essential elements above average is EITHER 5 or

> less

> > OR it is 18 or more.  {(Very confused here as to what is above

> > average - We have 1 red high, 2 yellow high, and 6 green high -

that

> > would be 9 that are above the 50th percentile, is this right??)}"

> >

> > Thank you in advance,

> > Theresa M, San Anton

--- In Autism-Mercury@y..., "mgen27" <mgen27@e...> wrote:

> Hi Andy,

>

> Some questions about interpreting the Toxic Elements results when

> mineral transport seems normal:

>

> How does one know what "elevated" means when the reference ranges

are

> arbitrary (are they not)?





The reference ranges are NOT arbitrary.  DDI is one of the few labs

that uses PROPERLY DETERMINED ranges, which is to say green is less

than 1 standard deviation above average, yellow is 1-2 standard

deviations above average, and red is more than 2 standard deviations

above average.  This is how labs are SUPPOSED to standardize tests.

Most don't for toxic metals.  DDI, and a few others (GSDL, TEI, etc)

did.



>

> Is the appearance of ANY mercury, even within the reference range,

> significant?



It depends on other factors.  Even a high-ish level may not be

significant in someone relatively tolerant of it.



>

> Dr. Holmes told me that some very highly mercury-toxic kids show NO

> MERCURY on the Toxic Elements portion,



Correct.  All these kids, however, DO show an essential elements

portion that satisfies the counting rules as far as indicating

disordered mineral transport.



> so that the appearance of ANY

> mercury is significant.  (She based her mercury-toxic diagnosis of

my

> daughter, however, on several test results, including the MetaMetrix

> Urine Organix Profile.)



Why not post that?



Note that MANY heavy metals zap the relevant enzymes so anyone with

any heavy metal problem should light that test up like a christmas

tree.



>

> My daughter's mineral transport is normal, according to your

> assessment (you told me to look at the Toxic Elements portion),



When mineral transport is normal, that means the toxic elements

accurately represent what is in her body.  Thus low mercury there

means low mercury in the body.  There can be some in the brain and not

the body, but that really is not something you'd expect to see until

adulthood, with someone exposed as a child who then grew up without

any further exposure.



> although she does meet the counting rules criteria for abnormality

on

> at least 1 count.  Her mercury on the Toxic Elements portion

> is .23ug/g, ref. = <.4, about 60% into the green band.

>

> How could she show ANY mercury on a hair test that was taken 3 years

> after her last known mercury insult (vaccination and nursing) when

> the hair specimen submitted was about an inch next to the scalp,

i.e.

> about 2 month-old hair?



There is mercury in air, water, and food.  Everyone receives some

exposure every day.  The question is how much.



> Even if one were to assume that the mercury

> came from environmental sources, wouldn't the mercury-toxic kids

show

> it more often too?



No, because if it comes from any source they don't put it in their

hair - their mineral transporting biochemistry is out of whack.



>(Dr. Holmes said many of them show nothing on the

> Toxic portion.)

>

> Thanks for the time and answers.

>

> Mireille

>

>

> --- In Autism-Mercury@y..., "andrewhallcutler" <AndyCutler@a...>

> wrote:

> > The essential elements do not satisfy the counting rules,

> suggesting

> > that mineral transport is normal and healthy.

> >

> > That given, the elevated toxic elements may well be real.

> >

> > Bismuth is known to induce encephalopathy.  It is worth checking

> into

> > these.

> >

> > Andy

> >

> > --- In Autism-Mercury@y..., "autismzone" <autismzone@y...> wrote:

> > > List,Please Help!We have received our DDI hair test results!!!

> We

> > do

> > > have 2 red toxic elements and 2 red essential elements. I did

the

> > > counting rules and it looks like my child is not mercury toxic.

> > > Could someone please double check for me in case I am reading it

> > > wrong. I have been reading this list deligently EVERYDAY since

> June

> > > of 2001 in preparation for chelation but now do we need to do

> > > chelation????  Is above average only the red range or does it

> > include

> > > the yellow too-green is good, right?(in the reference range)?

We

> > > give our son Epsom Salt baths every other night and I think this

> may

> > > have impacted his red off the page Magnesium - his sulfur was

> green

> > > though.  Thank you to anyone who can help.

> > >

> > >         My 3 year old autistic son's DDI hair results:

> > >

> > > Essential Elements (HIGH IS GOING TO RIGHT, LOW IS GOING TO

LEFT):

> > > ELEMENTS    RESULTS   COLOR     HIGH/LOW   REFERENCE RANGE

> > >

> > > Calcium       137      green     low        125-370

> > > Magnesium     130      RED       high       12-30

> > > Sodium        22       green     low         12-90

> > > Potassium     13       green     low         12-40

> > > Copper        13       green     high        8.0-16

> > > Zinc          130      white     middle dot  100-190

> > > Manganese     0.05     RED       low         0.2-0.55

> > > Chromium      0.23     Yellow    low         0.26-0.5

> > > Vanadium      0.053    white     middle      0.03-0.1

> > > Molybdenum    0.061    green     low         0.05-0.13

> > > Boron         1.4      green     low         0.6-4.0

> > > Iodine        3.0      Yellow    high        0.25-1.3

> > > Lithium       0.045    Yellow    high        0.007-0.023

> > > Phosphorus    191      green     low         160-250

> > > Selenium      0.89     Yellow    low         0.95-1.7

> > > Strontium     0.69     green     high        0.16-1.0

> > > Sulfur        52800    green     high        45500-53000

> > > Barium        0.19     green     low         0.16-0.8

> > > Cobalt        0.011    Yellow    low         0.013-0.035

> > > Iron          6.6      Yellow    low         8.0-19

> > > Germanium     0.051    green     low         0.045-0.065

> > > Rubidium      0.015    Yellow    low         0.016-0.18

> > > Zirconium     0.62     green     high        0.04-1.0

> > >

> > >                HIS POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

> > > TOXIC EL  %COLOR   RESULT   REFERENCE RANGE

> > > Aluminum  green    5.9      <8.0

> > > Antimony  green    .059     <.066

> > > Arsenic   green    .07      <.08

> > > Beryllium no color<.01      <.02

> > > Bismuth   RED-OFF-PAGE-2.2  <.13

> > > Cadmium   green    .041     <.15

> > > Lead      green    .25      <1.0

> > > Mercury   green    .03      <.4

> > > Platinum  no color<.0003    <.005

> > > Thallium  no color<.001     <.01

> > > Thorium   no color<.001     <.005

> > > Uranium   green    .017     <.06

> > > Nickel    green    .07      <.4

> > > Silver    green    .05      <.2

> > > Tin       green    .23      <.3

> > > Titanium  RED      3.2      <1.0

> > > TOTAL TOXIC REPRESENTATION: Green but very close to yellow

> > >

> > > "Counting rules:

> > >

> > > The result is abnormal and suggests heavy metal intoxication if

> any

> > > of the following criteria are met:

> > >

> > > 1. The number of essential elements "very elevated" and "very

> low"

> > is

> > > 4 or more. {(Is this red only-we had 2 in red -1 low and 1 high,

> if

> > > we count the yellow it would add 7 more-2 high and 5 low)}

> > >

> > > 2. The number of essential elements entirely inside the middle

> band

> > > is 14 or less.  {(white area? we had 2 in the white)}

> > >

> > > 3. The number of essential elements above average is EITHER 5 or

> > less

> > > OR it is 18 or more.  {(Very confused here as to what is above

> > > average - We have 1 red high, 2 yellow high, and 6 green high -

> that

> > > would be 9 that are above the 50th percentile, is this

right??)}"

> > >

> > > Thank you in advance,