My boy's test results show Bun/Creatinine ratio is low.
Result of 7 with Reference Rage of 8-27.
What does that really mean?
What is the treatment?
Deb

My boy's Hematocrit measured high.
Resulte of 43.8 with Reference 34.8 - 43.5
What does this really mean?
What is the treatment?
Deb

 Hello,

Responding to an inquiry from someone on this list. This is the answer I got
from one of the higher up distributors ar YL. 

" weekly Raindrop Treatments, Essentialzyme-4 two times a day, Inner Defense,
Life 5, and a really good diet based on whole foods."  

If you would need more detail, let me know, and I can put you in touch with this
person.

Thanks.

Andrea

 

Andrea Pattison
National Autism Association - Northeast Ohio (NAA-NEO)
Helping Hand Program Manager
 
NEW ADDRESS AND EMAIL:
15819 Fernway Rd
Cleveland, OH 44120
E-mail: egerpatt@...
Phone: (216) 544-1231
Web: www.autismnortheastohio.org   
Join our Yahoo group for periodic newsletters/events/resources postings about
autism by emailing:  NAA-NEOhio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "kpukids" <lmatheos@...> wrote:
>
> But doesn't DMSA contain sulfur?

The sulfur in DMSA is not in the thiol form, so does not behave the same way as
what we call "sulfur foods" (technically high thiol foods)


> And don't other foods also pick up environmental toxins?


Most other foods are grown on land.  Chlorella is grown in aquatic environments
where heavy metals may be an issue.  More toxins will be picked up in an aquatic
environment (depending on what is there).  Some scientists found that people
consuming chlorella became more toxic with mercury or other heavy metals.


>
> Mary - what's a moly supplement?


molybdenum


> Did you just give zinc throughout the week to treat the pyroluria and then
DMSA every other weekend?
>


Zinc can be given everyday.  There is no reason to avoid it (or any other
mineral) on chelation days.


> Trying to sort this out.


It would probably be very helpful to read through the information on Moria's web
pages, the FAQ, and Andy Cutler's 2 books.  It sounds like you have become
confused by misinformation.

Keep in mind that mercury toxic individuals following Klinghardt protocols will
get worse instead of better.  We have documented this over the years with posts
from those people.  Plus, much of his advise doesn't make sense once one
understands the technical aspects of chelation.

Linda J


> Thank you for your input.
>
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "lindajaytee" <lindajaytee@> wrote:
> >
>
> > Chlorella acts like a sulfur food.  There are some (metal toxic individuals)
who will get much sicker with sulfur foods.  It also can pick up toxins from the
environment and many become more toxic because of this.  Chlorella should never
be used.
> >
>

Read this post from Andy before using MMS.  Kills everything... people too.

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/218218.html

Linda J

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, Neil Zeigler <azentrenewal@...> wrote:
>
> I have personally found that a tremendous number of parasites and diseases die
off quickly when treated with MMS.
> There are several MMS sites out there. Jim Humble made the discovery and wrote
the book. Treatment  involves one drop of MMS per ten pounds body weight.
>
>
> And be certain that you wait a few hours after taking vitamin C. Vitamin C
destroys the effectiveness of MMS.
>
> The blood should be free of vitamin C within a few hours of taking it.
> MMS is a one or two time treatment for disease.
>
> After initial treatment with MMS, I only use it when I feel ill. (Maybe 1 or 2
times per month)
>
>
> I am also considering The One Minute Cure.
>
> I have not experimented with that yet.
>
> I know the MMS works very well when used as directed.
>
>
> Removing diseases will make it easier to recognize if the liver supplements
are making your child feel better or worse.
>
>
> Removing these diseases will make it easier to recognize if your other
treatments are removing Mercury (Hg).
>
> We used MMS to remove disease. (One or two treatments)
> Smaller doses were used later to restrain candida.
>
>
> We used Custom Probiotics 11-Strain to help heal the gut. (Every day for at
least 3-4 months)
>
>
> We used lecithin, taurine, and glycine to get the liver working well. Soon we
will be ready for chelation using Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA).
>
> When the ALA causes the Hg to hit the bloodstream (i.e. out of the brain), the
liver will be ready to remove it without the dam disease in the way. 
>
> We will also also try dandelion and milk thistle to get the liver working
optimally before we begin the chelation with ALA.
>
> Neil
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Thank you, Linda.  It is compelling to try so many things when we are struggling
like this.  I don't know anything about the product or whether it works for some
people, but I trust Andy's opinion and I'm glad you shared the link.  Deb

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "lindajaytee" <lindajaytee@...> wrote:
>
> Read this post from Andy before using MMS.  Kills everything... people too.
>
> http://onibasu.com/archives/am/218218.html
>
> Linda J
>
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, Neil Zeigler <azentrenewal@> wrote:
> >
> > I have personally found that a tremendous number of parasites and diseases
die off quickly when treated with MMS.
> > There are several MMS sites out there. Jim Humble made the discovery and
wrote the book. Treatment  involves one drop of MMS per ten pounds body weight.
> >
> >
> > And be certain that you wait a few hours after taking vitamin C. Vitamin C
destroys the effectiveness of MMS.
> >
> > The blood should be free of vitamin C within a few hours of taking it.
> > MMS is a one or two time treatment for disease.
> >
> > After initial treatment with MMS, I only use it when I feel ill. (Maybe 1 or
2 times per month)
> >
> >
> > I am also considering The One Minute Cure.
> >
> > I have not experimented with that yet.
> >
> > I know the MMS works very well when used as directed.
> >
> >
> > Removing diseases will make it easier to recognize if the liver supplements
are making your child feel better or worse.
> >
> >
> > Removing these diseases will make it easier to recognize if your other
treatments are removing Mercury (Hg).
> >
> > We used MMS to remove disease. (One or two treatments)
> > Smaller doses were used later to restrain candida.
> >
> >
> > We used Custom Probiotics 11-Strain to help heal the gut. (Every day for at
least 3-4 months)
> >
> >
> > We used lecithin, taurine, and glycine to get the liver working well. Soon
we will be ready for chelation using Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA).
> >
> > When the ALA causes the Hg to hit the bloodstream (i.e. out of the brain),
the liver will be ready to remove it without the dam disease in the way. 
> >
> > We will also also try dandelion and milk thistle to get the liver working
optimally before we begin the chelation with ALA.
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

297707, 297712, 297714 and 297717.

You do not have a complicated situation, you have an incompetent (or looting)
doctor.  He may be the nicest most wonderful guy in the world, but he does not
have the basic knowledge he needs in order to help your kid instead of hurt him.
The doc is just trying all the faddish therapies randomly and so far has gotten
lucky.

Pyroluria, or kryptopyroluria, is a laboratory sign of toxicity, it is not an
independent condition.  Most mercury toxic people, e. g. autistic children, have
it if anyone tests for it.  It is an old and disused test (and not a legitimate
diagnosis) so it is seldom checked for.

Lyme disease is the diagnosis du jour for doctors who mess their patients up
chelating them wrong.  A few people have it, most diagnosed with it don't.  If
you have it and don't have a mercury problem, antibiotics cure it.  If
antibiotics don't cure it either you need to chelate out enough mercury so the
antibiotics work, or you don't even have it, you have a mercury problem and need
to chelate in which case you will get better without even getting antibiotics. 
Either way, you have to start by chelating so there is no need to decide right
now if he REALLY has Lyme disease or not - which also means you don't have to
resolve the emotional distress my disagreeing with your doctor may be causing
you.

We don't have a `feeling' about chlorella, we have technical knowledge of its
chemistry and what it does inside people.  Your doctor may be incompetent enough
to not understand what chlorella actually does, but that doesn't change the laws
of nature that govern its actions.  Chlorella doesn't capture and remove any
mercury.  It can't.  Ice cream would actually be better at it than chlorella if
the theories about it were right, and it's certainly easier to get kids to eat
ice cream than chlorella capsules!

Giving him once a day ALA will make him far harder to help in the future, you
need to stop that immediately no matter what anyone says.

Daily DMSA chelation is a bad thing.  With DMSA you have to do it every 4 hours
or not at all.  If your doctor doesn't know this, they are not knowledgeable
enough to practice medicine responsibly.

There is no competitive equilibrium between DMSA, zinc and mercury (or any other
metals).  You continue to give the zinc supplements just the same on chelation
days as on nonchelation days.

Zinc doesn't cause the body to `let go' of mercury.

The workable way to chelate on weekends is to give zinc every weekday and every
weekend day.  See above.  There is no competitive equilibrium.  There is no
interference. They can be given together.

The sulfur in DMSA does not behave metabolically the way the sulfur in chlorella
does. They do not have the same effect and are not interrelated the way
chlorella and `sulfur foods' are.  BTW, some people need MORE sulfury food, some
need less.  Nothing you say makes it clear which way your kid's metabolism is
balanced.





--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "kpukids" <lmatheos@...> wrote:
>
> I am new to this forum with a basic understanding of Cutler's protocol and
chelation in general. But I have what seems to be an unusual situation and I'm
not clear on the best way to proceed. Perhaps someone can help.
>
> My DS9 is not on the ASD spectrum. His is neuro-developmentally typical but
does seem to have cognitive issues stemming from mercury toxicity. He has
lyme/bartonella that responded initially to treatment then plateaued. We
discovered KPU/pyroluria this summer and began supplementing with CORE - a mega
zinc-B6 et al supplement. The first 5 weeks brought tremendous improvements. He
was a different kid. We are now entering week 7 and have worked our way up to 3
CORE/day. This is the time period when Klinghardt speculates that the
zinc-starved body will start to drop the mercury it's been using as a poor man's
substitute for the missing zinc. We have been using chlorella and once/day ALA
(have been giving ALA for a year but don't think it acted as a chelator until we
started adding zinc).
>
> I know how this group feels about chlorella. That's not my question. My
question is...
> My son clearly has pyroluria - his body has responded to the zinc in a great
way. But if the zinc/CORE is in a sense prompting the body to drop mercury, it
seems we need to add a binding agent to catch the mercury and eliminate it.
That's what the chlorella is supposed to do. If chlorella isn't the thing, then
DMSA might be what's needed. But...I need to give the zinc every day. It's a
deficiency and he needs a stronger immune system to fight the chronic tick-borne
infections. It seems daily DMSA chelation is thought to be a bad thing.
>
> So how do I balance the need for daily zinc with the need for rest periods
between chelation? I can't just give zinc every weekend or every other weekend.
I won't send him back into the dark place he was before we treated the KPU. And
without zinc to help the body fight the lyme, the lyme is going to hold onto the
mercury and make chelation harder. It feels like I'm in a catch 22.
>

It could mean he was dehydrated a bit.

It could mean they had the rubber thing on his arm a moment too long before
drawing blood.

It could mean he has moderately more testosterone than others his age.

It could mean he has part but not all of the B-12 deficiency issues.

It just means that a greater fraction of his blood than expected is composed of
red blood cells.

Andy

www.noamlagam.com

www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "mrboysmom" <misterboysmom@...> wrote:
>
> My boy's Hematocrit measured high.
> Resulte of 43.8 with Reference 34.8 - 43.5
> What does this really mean?
> What is the treatment?
> Deb
>

Could you elaborate or direct me to any literature that can help me understand
what it does inside people? Or why it cannot capture mercury?
Thank you.

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "andrewhallcutler" <AndyCutler@...>
wrote:
>
> We don't have a `feeling' about chlorella, we have technical knowledge of its
chemistry and what it does inside people.  Your doctor may be incompetent enough
to not understand what chlorella actually does, but that doesn't change the laws
of nature that govern its actions.  Chlorella doesn't capture and remove any
mercury.  It can't.

Check out the image of lipoic acid at this link.  You'll see the pair of SH
(thiol) groups that are like mercury magnets capable of grabbing the mercury.
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/othernuts/la/lastructure.html

In contrast you'll see that cysteine, like chlorella, only has one SH group
(mercury magnet).
http://www.worldofmolecules.com/life/cysteine.htm

So much of what we do in the Cutler protocol is to try to increase the odds that
the mobilized mercury does not end up in some part of the body that is more
vulnerable to it than where it was originally.  Also some of these vulnerable
locations hold onto Hg very tightly.  If we use lots of thiols rather than
di-thiols, we could end up with less Hg in the body but more Hg in the more
vulnerable parts of the body.  We would likely end up more sick than before we
started!

If you want to read longer and more technical posts by Andy, check out these.
http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html
http://onibasu.com/archives/am/74605.html

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "kpukids" <lmatheos@...> wrote:
>
> Could you elaborate or direct me to any literature that can help me understand
what it does inside people? Or why it cannot capture mercury?
> Thank you.
>
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "andrewhallcutler" <AndyCutler@> wrote:
> >
> > We don't have a `feeling' about chlorella, we have technical knowledge of
its chemistry and what it does inside people.  Your doctor may be incompetent
enough to not understand what chlorella actually does, but that doesn't change
the laws of nature that govern its actions.  Chlorella doesn't capture and
remove any mercury.  It can't.
>

Thank you, Andy.  I would not be surprised if he had more testosterone than
others his age.  He certainly acts like it.
Sometimes I'm afraid to give B12 because I read that it can cause aggression,
which he has.  However he has aggression without the B12, so perhaps I need to
keep giving B12.  Deb

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "andrewhallcutler" <AndyCutler@...>
wrote:
>
> It could mean he was dehydrated a bit.
>
> It could mean they had the rubber thing on his arm a moment too long before
drawing blood.
>
> It could mean he has moderately more testosterone than others his age.
>
> It could mean he has part but not all of the B-12 deficiency issues.
>
> It just means that a greater fraction of his blood than expected is composed
of red blood cells.
>
> Andy
>
> www.noamlagam.com
>
> www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html
>
> www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html
>
> www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html
>
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "mrboysmom" <misterboysmom@> wrote:
> >
> > My boy's Hematocrit measured high.
> > Resulte of 43.8 with Reference 34.8 - 43.5
> > What does this really mean?
> > What is the treatment?
> > Deb
> >
>

Stainless steel crowns do not contain any mercury.

They look different than 'silver,' that is mercury fillings.  You can tell the
color apart by eye if you look at a piece of silver or jewelry, and a stainless
steel pot or eating utensil.

If it goes in as a paste, it is mercury with some silver thrown in.  If it goes
in as a solid piece it has no mercury in it.

Andy

www.noamalgam.com

www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

www,noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html
--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "morgan0123@..." <morgan0123@...> wrote:
>
> I am not a dentist, but as I've been reading up on this recently, it is my
distinct impression that all "silver" amalgams or metal work in the mouth
contains Mercury.
>
>
http://askville.amazon.com/palladium-gold-crowns-are-metals-toxic-health/AnswerV\
iewer.do?requestId=54543375
>
> I would never put "silver" anything in my mouth because they call these
"silver fillings" and silver crowns but .. they do contain mercury, to my
understanding.
>
>
>
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, matt orourke <matthew_t_orourke@>
wrote:
> >
> > Our son has a cavity on his molar, the dentist says it is too large to do a
regular filling, it has to be a crown. he also says we have to do stainless
steel (swears there is no mercury in this type of amalgam), not porcelain (this
might be because ma will only cover a stainless steel one, not porcelain...
still trying to hash this out).
> >
> > we want to keep chelation (probably iv based on a lack of results with oral
chelation we did last year) in the mix, but have some real concerns about his
mouth having anything that could get leached during the process and add to toxic
metal burden. i read online you can do porcelain crowns - is this okay? if it
wasn't a molar it would fall out shortly, but he  is stuck with this tooth until
12... any suggestions?
> >
> > MATTO
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Stainless steel crowns do not contain any mercury.

They look different than 'silver,' that is mercury fillings.  You can tell the
color apart by eye if you look at a piece of silver or jewelry, and a stainless
steel pot or eating utensil.

If it goes in as a paste, it is mercury with some silver thrown in.  If it goes
in as a solid piece it has no mercury in it.

Andy

www.noamalgam.com

www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

www,noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html
--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "morgan0123@..." <morgan0123@...> wrote:
>
> I am not a dentist, but as I've been reading up on this recently, it is my
distinct impression that all "silver" amalgams or metal work in the mouth
contains Mercury.
>
>
http://askville.amazon.com/palladium-gold-crowns-are-metals-toxic-health/AnswerV\
iewer.do?requestId=54543375
>
> I would never put "silver" anything in my mouth because they call these
"silver fillings" and silver crowns but .. they do contain mercury, to my
understanding.
>
>
>
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, matt orourke <matthew_t_orourke@>
wrote:
> >
> > Our son has a cavity on his molar, the dentist says it is too large to do a
regular filling, it has to be a crown. he also says we have to do stainless
steel (swears there is no mercury in this type of amalgam), not porcelain (this
might be because ma will only cover a stainless steel one, not porcelain...
still trying to hash this out).
> >
> > we want to keep chelation (probably iv based on a lack of results with oral
chelation we did last year) in the mix, but have some real concerns about his
mouth having anything that could get leached during the process and add to toxic
metal burden. i read online you can do porcelain crowns - is this okay? if it
wasn't a molar it would fall out shortly, but he  is stuck with this tooth until
12... any suggestions?
> >
> > MATTO
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Molybdenum is not required to process magnesium.

Andy

www.noamalgam.com

www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

The fact that his hair is growing so slowly ought to raise a lot of mercury
related flags in and of itself.

Get him plotted on the height and weight growth charts available from the CDC if
the pediatrician didn't do that already in his charts - or if you have length
and weight data not already plotted.

Andy

www.noamalgam.com

www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html



--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "nicokrokus" <lennylucy_3@...> wrote:
>
> i recently had a hair test and porphryins test done for my NT 22month old. 
His older brother has ASD and is being chelated per AC.
>
> The hair test is very toxic, and i believe it is in part due to the fact that
he barely has any hair, so his sample is representative of 20 months of
growth/external contamination, as opposed to 2-3 months.
>
> To sanity check the hair test, I got a porphryins test as well, which also
indicates toxicity.  The precoporphryins are not elevated, but copro and uro
are.
>
> uro - 43 (10-22)
> copro - 275 (100-240)
> preco - 13 (5-15)
>
> i plan to chelate him, but considering he is not yet 2, and also NT, I am not
sure how to proceed.
>
> Can anyone glean any info from this hair test in spite of the 20 months of
hair growth?  I was hoping this could give info regarding essential mineral
levels.  Zinc and copper are pretty high, could this indicate a zinc deficiency
partially accounting for extra accumulation of metals?  Would you recommend any
further testing of minerals in this case?
>
> the test is in the files: sevi_hair1.pdf
>
> thanks!
>

Thank you - this is very helpful

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "JoeGrane" <joegrane610@...> wrote:
>
> Check out the image of lipoic acid at this link.  You'll see the pair of SH
(thiol) groups that are like mercury magnets capable of grabbing the mercury.
> http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/othernuts/la/lastructure.html
>
> In contrast you'll see that cysteine, like chlorella, only has one SH group
(mercury magnet).
> http://www.worldofmolecules.com/life/cysteine.htm
>
> So much of what we do in the Cutler protocol is to try to increase the odds
that the mobilized mercury does not end up in some part of the body that is more
vulnerable to it than where it was originally.  Also some of these vulnerable
locations hold onto Hg very tightly.  If we use lots of thiols rather than
di-thiols, we could end up with less Hg in the body but more Hg in the more
vulnerable parts of the body.  We would likely end up more sick than before we
started!
>
> If you want to read longer and more technical posts by Andy, check out these.
> http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html
> http://onibasu.com/archives/am/74605.html
>
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "kpukids" <lmatheos@> wrote:
> >
> > Could you elaborate or direct me to any literature that can help me
understand what it does inside people? Or why it cannot capture mercury?
> > Thank you.
> >
> > --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "andrewhallcutler" <AndyCutler@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > We don't have a `feeling' about chlorella, we have technical knowledge of
its chemistry and what it does inside people.  Your doctor may be incompetent
enough to not understand what chlorella actually does, but that doesn't change
the laws of nature that govern its actions.  Chlorella doesn't capture and
remove any mercury.  It can't.
> >
>

Sorry for what is probably a stupid question, but can anyone tell me thoughts on
using activated charcoal on a daily basis -during and in between chelation
cycles? As a supportive binder to sop up mutliple toxins, not just metals?

cf Supplement file in Files.

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "kpukids" <lmatheos@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry for what is probably a stupid question, but can anyone tell me thoughts
on using activated charcoal on a daily basis -during and in between chelation
cycles? As a supportive binder to sop up mutliple toxins, not just metals?
>

charcoal adsorbs everything, so will be taking out nutrients, supplements,
medications.  It is only useful for acute poisoning.

Linda J


--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "kpukids" <lmatheos@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry for what is probably a stupid question, but can anyone tell me thoughts
on using activated charcoal on a daily basis -during and in between chelation
cycles? As a supportive binder to sop up mutliple toxins, not just metals?
>

What is the best and most gentle treatment for bacteria?
Can I assume that with continued proper chelation, then bacteria will come under
control, as others say yeast comes under control with continued proper
chelation?
Deb

What about zeolite? I am curious what are your thoughts about it in the group?
I've been using it for a year, I did not know about AC protocol, and it seems to
help a bit. At some point I did run out of it and started feeling not good at
all. Maybe just a coincidence?
I ordered the Andy's book, sent my hair for the test and can not wait to know
about my condition!
I had 20 amalgams in my mouth, had them removed at 25, now I am 35, at the time
and in Switzerland they did not know much about all of the mercury poisoning,
they gave me a few pills of chorella. I did not feel better since the amalgams
were removed and I thought I would be sick all my life...... the chronic
headaches, head nerves inflamation, allergies, leaky gut, candida, low adrenals,
thyroid, hypoglycemia, really bad hair loss.... conditions being common among
the people of the group it seems.
Since 4 years I am mostly in bed... but hope is coming back! 
Thanks to all the people of the group it feels good to know I am not the only
one!!!!!!!!
Greeting from Switzerland,
Ophelia


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

For us, Goldenseal Extract and Culturelle (and other probiotics) with minimum
four hours
in between, worked great.

Shiri

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "mrboysmom" <misterboysmom@...> wrote:
>
> What is the best and most gentle treatment for bacteria?
> Can I assume that with continued proper chelation, then bacteria will come
under control, as others say yeast comes under control with continued proper
chelation?
> Deb
>

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, rolle ophelie <rolophie@...> wrote:
>
> What about zeolite? I am curious what are your thoughts about it in the group?


Andy Cutler says that it is not useful for chelation.  He calls it expensive
dirt.  His posts can be found using www.onibasu.com and the keywords
andrewhallcutler or AndyCutler and zeolite or NCD.

It may do something... not sure what.


> I've been using it for a year, I did not know about AC protocol, and it seems
to help a bit. At some point I did run out of it and started feeling not good at
all. Maybe just a coincidence?
> I ordered the Andy's book, sent my hair for the test and can not wait to know
about my condition!


You may find the frequent dose chelation group helpful.  It is a group of mostly
adults chelating on Andy's protocl.  Look for information in the links and files
sections.  Hair tests can be posted there are group members will comment

Linda J



> I had 20 amalgams in my mouth, had them removed at 25, now I am 35, at the
time and in Switzerland they did not know much about all of the mercury
poisoning, they gave me a few pills of chorella. I did not feel better since the
amalgams were removed and I thought I would be sick all my life...... the
chronic headaches, head nerves inflamation, allergies, leaky gut, candida, low
adrenals, thyroid, hypoglycemia, really bad hair loss.... conditions being
common among the people of the group it seems.
> Since 4 years I am mostly in bed... but hope is coming back! 
> Thanks to all the people of the group it feels good to know I am not the only
one!!!!!!!!
> Greeting from Switzerland,
> Ophelia
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "mrboysmom" <misterboysmom@...> wrote:
> What is the best and most gentle treatment for bacteria?


I eliminated bad bacteria here with OLE.

Dana

I'm a neopyhte here myself, so hopefully you'll get a more expert answer from
someone else, but here is my interpretation of the hair test. I believe it meets
the rules for mercury toxicity.

- counting rule #3 (at least 3 here + Germanium maybe 4)
- counting rule #4 (12 in the middle is one more than the rule)
- counting rule #5 (if two rules are one short then rule #5 applies)

So, I believe the test either meets rule #3 or rule #5.

Given that the test meets the rules for derranged mineral transport, the Toxic
Metal section cannot be taken at face value. Thus the high Aluminum and
Titianium reading would be a false positive.

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "Gwen" <gwen072@...> wrote:
>
> I just added a file for my 6yr old asd daughter, Tatum. I just got the Drs.
Data hair elements test results and I'm trying to patiently wait for some
feedback. It makes me sick to my stomach to think that any part of this is or
can be accurate. For anyone who is going to review this, she was born 3wks
early, had a touch of jaundice, got her mmr shot at 1yr and I've done biomed and
diet and maintained yeast/bacteria from age 3-current. Other than vaccines, the
biggest concern of exposure I have is that her father and I both have several
amalgam fillings. I am ready to chelate her and hope that someone is willing to
give me some answers on her high aluminun and titanium. I have Andy's books in
hand and will be doing alot of reading this w/e. Thanks so much for helping us!
>

Linda,

I've been using zeolites in various chealtion protocols (in addition to AC
protocol) for my 9yo son for the past 3 years and it seem to help. It is
definitely not a silver bullet, but in my understanding, it acts as an activated
charcoal (absorption) for contaminants without touching the necessary nutrients.
It is expensive, but in my opinion, if it helps, I will continue using it.

Vitaly


--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "lindajaytee" <lindajaytee@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, rolle ophelie <rolophie@> wrote:
> >
> > What about zeolite? I am curious what are your thoughts about it in the
group?
>
>
> Andy Cutler says that it is not useful for chelation.  He calls it expensive
dirt.  His posts can be found using www.onibasu.com and the keywords
andrewhallcutler or AndyCutler and zeolite or NCD.
>
> It may do something... not sure what.
>
>
> > I've been using it for a year, I did not know about AC protocol, and it
seems to help a bit. At some point I did run out of it and started feeling not
good at all. Maybe just a coincidence?
> > I ordered the Andy's book, sent my hair for the test and can not wait to
know about my condition!
>
>
> You may find the frequent dose chelation group helpful.  It is a group of
mostly adults chelating on Andy's protocl.  Look for information in the links
and files sections.  Hair tests can be posted there are group members will
comment
>
> Linda J
>
>
>
> > I had 20 amalgams in my mouth, had them removed at 25, now I am 35, at the
time and in Switzerland they did not know much about all of the mercury
poisoning, they gave me a few pills of chorella. I did not feel better since the
amalgams were removed and I thought I would be sick all my life...... the
chronic headaches, head nerves inflamation, allergies, leaky gut, candida, low
adrenals, thyroid, hypoglycemia, really bad hair loss.... conditions being
common among the people of the group it seems.
> > Since 4 years I am mostly in bed... but hope is coming back! 
> > Thanks to all the people of the group it feels good to know I am not the
only one!!!!!!!!
> > Greeting from Switzerland,
> > Ophelia
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

thanks so much for your input. I will take all I can get at this point! I am
still waiting for a 2nd "good" OAT test from the lab to confirm I at least have
yeast/bacteria under control so I will know what behaviors are what! I'm still
easing the vitamins/supplements in too. I would think I could begin next month
so this is definitely READ month!
One thing I discovered from this group is someone mentioning that DariFree milk
powder has titanium. She did in fact drink this for about a month over the
summer. I was giving rice milk a break. That may be the culprit on the titanium?
And, I do have 5 almagams and my husband several. My asd child is 6, my youngest
is 4.5 and typical. Same parents, same vaccines, etc. I have always been
thankful for this but also complexed. Aluminum....what a pisser. I threw out all
metal toys, dishware, cookware, etc. last year. So much to learn. Thanks again
for your advice.

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "iamnotlame" <iamnotlame@...> wrote:
>
> I'm a neopyhte here myself, so hopefully you'll get a more expert answer from
someone else, but here is my interpretation of the hair test. I believe it meets
the rules for mercury toxicity.
>
> - counting rule #3 (at least 3 here + Germanium maybe 4)
> - counting rule #4 (12 in the middle is one more than the rule)
> - counting rule #5 (if two rules are one short then rule #5 applies)
>
> So, I believe the test either meets rule #3 or rule #5.
>
> Given that the test meets the rules for derranged mineral transport, the Toxic
Metal section cannot be taken at face value. Thus the high Aluminum and
Titianium reading would be a false positive.
>
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "Gwen" <gwen072@> wrote:
> >
> > I just added a file for my 6yr old asd daughter, Tatum. I just got the Drs.
Data hair elements test results and I'm trying to patiently wait for some
feedback. It makes me sick to my stomach to think that any part of this is or
can be accurate. For anyone who is going to review this, she was born 3wks
early, had a touch of jaundice, got her mmr shot at 1yr and I've done biomed and
diet and maintained yeast/bacteria from age 3-current. Other than vaccines, the
biggest concern of exposure I have is that her father and I both have several
amalgam fillings. I am ready to chelate her and hope that someone is willing to
give me some answers on her high aluminun and titanium. I have Andy's books in
hand and will be doing alot of reading this w/e. Thanks so much for helping us!
> >
>

thanks so much. This is very helpful Joe. I will begin with answering those
questions:
1.What are your current symptoms and health history? She is 6yrs old, dx at age
3.5 bec symptoms were mostly severe speech delay. she was not stereotypical
autistic...she was quirky, didn't understand toys, but eye contact, playful,
loving, etc. no seizures, no fevers, ear aches, etc. She was "too good to be
true" which makes me think it was from birth. She was 3wks early, slight
jaundice, rec'd her mmr shot at 12mos and 1 flu shot I believe at 3. None sense.
GFCFSF low sugar no dyes now and have to control yeast/bacteria. She speaks 4-5
word phrases, but not answering questions, aba preschool, very minimal problem
behavior. Will stim/flap arms when excited and scripts a good bit. I consider
myself very lucky....but she is sooo close.
2.Dental history (Wisdom teeth removed and when? Any other extractions. First
root canal placed? Braces? First amalgam etc…)No dental work for her yet
3.What dental work do you currently have in place? What part of the dental
clean-up have you completed? I have 5 (15-20yr old) amalgams, dad may have a few
more. Looking in to having mine removed safely.
4.What dentistry did your mother have at any time before or during pregnancy?
that would be me....and none, only check ups
5.What vaccinations have you had and when (including flu and especially travel
shots)? none since childhood
6.Supplements and medications (including dosages) taken at time of hair test, or
for the 3-6 months before the sample was taken? She takes liverlife, spectrum
vitamins, biotin, custom probiotics, magnesium citrate (laxative) as needed,
houston enzymes as needed, stopped glutathione cream 2 months prior to hair
sample, nystatin as needed, culturelle.
7.What is your age, height and weight? she is 6yr4mo, 50# and appx. 4ft tall
8.Other information you feel may be relevant? father is adopted, no family hx
there
9.What is your location – city & country (so that we can learn where certain
toxins are more prevalent).
Auburn, Alabama USA

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "JoeGrane" <joegrane610@...> wrote:
>
> Welcome to the group, Gwen,
>
> You might consider adding the answers to the questions that are used in the
following library of hair tests.  The adult chelation groups and some members
here use this site.
> http://livingnetwork.co.za/chelationnetwork/hairtest/hairtest3/
>
> You'll be somewhat relieved when you read the sections of Cutlers hair test
book--HTI--on aluminum and especially titanium!
>
> The test matches at least one Cutler counting rule--Rule 5. If Ge is in the
Red, it matches Rule three as well.  Overall the test strongly suggests the
involvement of Hg. You'll read in HTI book about Hg's negative effect on the
body's ability to move or transport minerals and toxic elements.
>
> Ca Mg Na & K are suggesting adrenal problems, possibly along with low thyroid.
You'll read in HTI's section on lead that Andy so strongly encourages parents to
have their children tested for low thyroid when lead is present.  In Amalgam
Illness-AI--he provides instructions on how to test an Hg toxic person for low
thyroid.  Hg fouls up some of the tests.  Lead is very dangerous when present
with Hg.
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/message/50190
>
> You should read the section of HTI on Zn due to the off the charts level of
Zn.  It is very common to see somewhat high Zn.  Hg displaces Zn in various body
chemicals and causes so many of Hg's devastating effects.  If this actually
represents the loss of Zn due to Hg, I'd expect this to be a very sick child or
one who will be very sick soon without treatment.
>
> Because of the mineral transport problems the level of Cr might not accurately
reflect body levels.  Lo Cr is quite common in our groups and is associated with
blood sugar problems, including reactive hypoglycemia (one of my symptoms).   I
need to eat smaller meals plus healthy snacks every 1.5 hrs.  I have to be aware
of the glycemic index of the foods I eat in order to have a rather stable energy
and concentration level.  If I really cheat, I'll "crash" and be a fogged out
space cadet.  Thankfully all of this is improving nicely with chelation!
>
> I think my reactive hypoglycemia is related to my need to take
medications--Adderall for ADD--including chelators more frequently than the
average person in order to get a stable effect.  If she does not tolerate the
chelators well, you might try giving them somewhat more frequently.  This is
part of the Cutler Protocol.  I take DMSA every 3.5 hrs and ALA no less than
every 2.5 hrs during the day.  If I don't my head feels weird as I approach the
time for the next dose.  Some describe it as a "swimming feeling" or very mild
headache.  I can stretch both times somewhat at night.
>
> Check out the supplements file in the Files section of the group.
>
> I'll leave it to others to address the chelation steps and dosages.
> However remember that DMSA is US FDA approved for removing lead from children.
ALA is not known to be so effective for lead. Unfortunately DMSA often
contributes to yeast/candida.  There is much more information available here on
this if you request it.
>
> ALA will chelate arsenic quite nicely.  We've heard from some who've done a
stool test while on ALA and see shockingly high As levels.
>
> Chelation seems to work most quickly for the youngsters.
> Dr. Amy Holmes.  Early results with autistic children. 
http://www.healing-arts.org/children/holmes.htm#results
> Roughly 58% of children under 12 (75% < age 6) made "moderate" or greater
improvement in about a year.
>
> If your child showed signs of problems very early, it might suggest that she
got some of the Hg from you.  Therefore you should be aware of the common
symptoms for adult females.
>
> The good news in all of this is that there are things you can do to help
matters.  So many of us are improving.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Joe, hair test #354
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "Gwen" <gwen072@> wrote:
> >
> > I just added a file for my 6yr old asd daughter, Tatum. I just got the Drs.
Data hair elements test results and I'm trying to patiently wait for some
feedback. It makes me sick to my stomach to think that any part of this is or
can be accurate. For anyone who is going to review this, she was born 3wks
early, had a touch of jaundice, got her mmr shot at 1yr and I've done biomed and
diet and maintained yeast/bacteria from age 3-current. Other than vaccines, the
biggest concern of exposure I have is that her father and I both have several
amalgam fillings. I am ready to chelate her and hope that someone is willing to
give me some answers on her high aluminun and titanium. I have Andy's books in
hand and will be doing alot of reading this w/e. Thanks so much for helping us!
> >
>

I am planning to add "Vitamin C Powder 8.8 oz (250 Grams) by Klaire Labs" for my
Son. Has anyone used this? Thanks.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

he is currently 60th percentile for height, and 15th for weight.  He has been
slowly dropping on the charts, but I was told this is normal through the second
year as growth shifts away from maternal factors toward genetics.  Unless he
gets into the 5th percentile, which is a red flag.  Dad and I are tall and
skinny, so his stats seem to match our body type.  His older ASD brother has
always been significantly bigger (with faster hair growth)...not sure why.

Of course there is the possibility he is severely zinc deficient leading to
metals accumulation and growth retardation.  I've ordered a zinc plasma test,
which i'm still waiting on.  I've read this will only detect severe deficiency,
so in case this comes back normal, what is the best way to check zinc levels?

Is there another deficiency I need to be on the lookout for that could cause
poor growth?  Any other tests I should run?

thanks,
Celia

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "andrewhallcutler" <AndyCutler@...>
wrote:
>
> The fact that his hair is growing so slowly ought to raise a lot of mercury
related flags in and of itself.
>
> Get him plotted on the height and weight growth charts available from the CDC
if the pediatrician didn't do that already in his charts - or if you have length
and weight data not already plotted.
>
> Andy
>
> www.noamalgam.com
>
> www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html
>
> www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html
>
> www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html
>
>
>
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "nicokrokus" <lennylucy_3@> wrote:
> >
> > i recently had a hair test and porphryins test done for my NT 22month old. 
His older brother has ASD and is being chelated per AC.
> >
> > The hair test is very toxic, and i believe it is in part due to the fact
that he barely has any hair, so his sample is representative of 20 months of
growth/external contamination, as opposed to 2-3 months.
> >
> > To sanity check the hair test, I got a porphryins test as well, which also
indicates toxicity.  The precoporphryins are not elevated, but copro and uro
are.
> >
> > uro - 43 (10-22)
> > copro - 275 (100-240)
> > preco - 13 (5-15)
> >
> > i plan to chelate him, but considering he is not yet 2, and also NT, I am
not sure how to proceed.
> >
> > Can anyone glean any info from this hair test in spite of the 20 months of
hair growth?  I was hoping this could give info regarding essential mineral
levels.  Zinc and copper are pretty high, could this indicate a zinc deficiency
partially accounting for extra accumulation of metals?  Would you recommend any
further testing of minerals in this case?
> >
> > the test is in the files: sevi_hair1.pdf
> >
> > thanks!
> >
>