Have you thought about seeing a chiropractor?  That would be my first
suggestion.

Tammy

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: ronnimike
   To: Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:18 AM
   Subject: [Autism-Mercury] Need some help please



   I am totally confused as to what is happening in our family. I have an
   older daughter who was severely low on b12...lost lots and lots of
weight....she is grown up and on her own... Another daughter and I are having
some really weird issues and the dr doesn't have a clue as to what is goin on.

   We have major pain in arm and shoulder muscles...sometimes ribs or spine. It
goes down the arm to the fingers. Now it is goin up the neck and hurts in ears
and mouth. We are gf/cf/nut and most legum free. I am wondering if it could be a
thiamin issue...but if it is how do I balance riboflavin....one other daughter
is showing these same signs...but she is also low in b6. Any ideas to help
here???? The dr has no clue at all.

   Thanks
   Ronni





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how do you get caprylic acid into your kids? The taste is horrible and it
makes everything taste horrible that it's mixed with and our daughter won't
take capsules. Caprylic acid is the stuff that makes goat cheese have that
distinctive goaty essence, I think. Goat cheese + strawberry smoothie =
bleeah. I believe coconut milk is a good source of capric acid--a related FA
but no goatiness there and she takes it fine. I have to credit cultured
coconut milk with a lot of language and social gains. Not sure why, but it
really seems to work.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Mel <lanielady2000@...> wrote:

>
>
> I tried decreasing the chelator (only DMSA at first) and it really didn't
> help us. Just really dramatically increasing yeast meds seems to be what is
> helping us. We are doing 25 mg biotin, plus lots of caprylic acid, 3x a day,
> and sometimes giving him some nystatin at the same time if it's really bad.
> GSE worked well for us for a while but tended to increase bad bacteria. If
> I had known how well caprylic acid works I would have chosen that over GSE.
> It's great. Eventually GSE stopped working on my son's yeast.
> I second the notion of giving him a good dose of magnesium. We use citrate
> here. We've been giving it for a long time now and it's one supp I would
> never drop.
> Like you, headbanging was what got us to doing biomed too. Good luck!
> Melanie
>
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com <Autism-Mercury%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "nehirshberg" <hirshberg3@...> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you, Mel, Rebecca and Dana.
> >
> > Makes sense. Headbanging is part of what got us started on the
> diet/chelation path to begin with.
> >
> > We've been using Biotin for a few months (4-5x day - 20-25 mg) and it was
> doing a pretty good job controlling the yeast. Not doing as good with
> chelation.
> >
> > We tried GSE 4 months ago, and found that he has a phenol intolerance,
> which amplified his stimming and sleepless nights.
> >
> > What else can we try since he has a phenol intolerance? OLE transdermally
> (on bottoms of feet)?
> >
> > I will increase the magnesium and keep up the epsom salt baths. Not sure
> about cutting back the dose to 2.5 mg ALA (1/16th of mg per lb). Sounds like
> yeast/headbanging is going to happen regardless of the dose.
> > Mel, did you lower the dose when your son started banging his head during
> chelation? Or increase his yeast protocol? Or both?
> >
> > Thank you all. It's comforting to have you all to talk to.
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Nicole H.
> >
> > --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com <Autism-Mercury%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Mel" <lanielady2000@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Nicole,
> > > Head banging makes me insane. I can take all my son's other behaviors,
> but head banging makes me want to curl up in a corner in the fetal postion.
> :P That said, head banging is a yeast sign for us. We had it controllable
> until we started chelating, and chelating is kicking up yeast like mad for
> us. Now it's harder to control, he is headbanging more frequently, and I'm
> giving him 3 different things to control it. Just about the time I get yeast
> back under control, it's time to start the next round.
> > > I'm trying to relax about it and remember that with chelation,
> eventually yeast will stop being a problem (at least I HOPE so). So if I
> have to put up with extra headbanging now it's for the long term good. I
> want to eventually never see headbanging again.
> > > You're doing great. Hang in there.
> > > Melanie
> > > (currently on round 9 A.C. protocol with my son)
> > >
> > > --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com<Autism-Mercury%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "nehirshberg" <hirshberg3@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello -
> > > >
> > > > We are using ALA to chelate our 3.5 yo son, Sean(40 lbs). We just
> finished Round 2, and want to make sure that we are using the correct
> protocol for him. He's been on the GFCF diet(and egg, peanut, soy, and dairy
> free)for about 6 months.
> > > >
> > > > We start chelation on Friday afternoons and go until Monday morning,
> using 5 mg of ALA every 3 hrs. We give epsom salt baths every "on" day, and
> almost every "off" day.
> > > >
> > > > We are supplementing:
> > > > Zinc 60 mg (in 2-3 doses)
> > > > Vit C 1000 mg (2 doses)
> > > > Calcium w/Mag Citrate 150 mg
> > > > Biotin 20-25 mg (4-5 doses)
> > > > Milk Thistle 250-350 mg (2-3 doses)
> > > > No-Fenol (as needed)
> > > > Probiotics 30 billion cells(2 doses- wakeup and bedtime)
> > > >
> > > > Adding Vit E and Selenium (one at a time) over the next few weeks.
> > > >
> > > > During Round 1, he was Sean x3 - more stimming and more agressive,
> but was lucid at times and retained the little speech he does have. The
> first off day was horrible. Lots of crying, stimming and head banging -
> lasted off and on for 5 hours. The rest of the week went fine and he even
> seemed to branch out with his food choices.
> > > >
> > > > Same reaction on Round 2 (except a lot more lucid and some solid
> BMs=)). Today was the first off day this round - he did well all day until 4
> pm, and then he had a meltdown and was banging his head like crazy.
> > > >
> > > > We gave him an epsom salt bath, and he is now calm.
> > > >
> > > > Is this reaction what should be expected from a proper dose schedule?
> > > > Both the first and second round were a 5 mg dose (1/8th mg per lb).
> > > > Should we reduce/increase dosage? To what?
> > > >
> > > > Though I am confident that we are on the right path for Sean, I could
> use some reassurance (especially in times like these when he wants to bang
> his head on the floor).
> > > >
> > > > Thank you so much,
> > > >
> > > > Nicole H.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>



--
Debby Reed, Otter Babies, LLC
www.otterblotter.com
http://twitter.com/otterbabies


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I'm an amalgam mom (in the US), chelating myself has been incredibly worthwhile.
Some things I am guessing (I'm not done yet) will be permanent in me--I have
more sound sensitivity than most people, I'm pretty bad at recognizing faces,
subtle stuff for the most part--but a lot of other things for my health and
overall well-being are improving.  Basic health problems that I attribute to how
my body dealt with my amalgams--anxiety, depression, thyroid troubles, adrenal
troubles, I think those will completely resolve.  Plus I've seen subtle
emotional changes, for the good, that I can't describe well, they're well below
the threshold of anything clinically wrong, but I think my capacity for joy and
compassion have increased, and I think some of this is physically based (not
just the natural result of this crazy journey).

IMO, chelation is almost always worthwhile, and I would never consider age alone
to be the criteria by which I'd say nah, skip it.

Also, I'm chelating both my kids, even my DD who has no typical/normal ASD
symptoms.  The metals problem in her manifests in very, very subtle ways (thank
you DH's good genes!) but I've seen behavioral improvements and even cognitive
ones (and she's not at all delayed).

Tanya

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "eeejay174" <eeejay174@...> wrote:

>
> 2nd question, my eldest is 11, is this too old for him to begin chelation, is
it too late?  i'm sure i read somewhere that its pointles trying after 5, as the
mercury gets written into the cells, and becomes incredibley hard if impossible
to remove.  Will it help a child with adhd and also hes 6?  I'm currently
following the anti viral protocol with both of them, the 6 year old is improvong
hugely, things are far slower for the 11 year old.  He has dreadful dreadful
yeast and i think the big push for us is that chelation, in theory, should take
approx a year to remove to the stage where yeast is no longer an issue at weekly
rounds.
>
> This may sound daft, but would it even be worth considering the youngest?? 
she is showing all the signs of asd, has had her 3 vaccinations, but not mmr.
>
> thank you and sorry for the long post.
>

I tried decreasing the chelator (only DMSA at first) and it really didn't help
us.  Just really dramatically increasing yeast meds seems to be what is helping
us.  We are doing 25 mg biotin, plus lots of caprylic acid, 3x a day, and
sometimes giving him some nystatin at the same time if it's really bad.
GSE worked well for us for a while but tended to increase bad bacteria.  If I
had known how well caprylic acid works I would have chosen that over GSE. It's
great. Eventually GSE stopped working on my son's yeast.
I second the notion of giving him a good dose of magnesium.  We use citrate
here.  We've been giving it for a long time now and it's one supp I would never
drop.
Like you, headbanging was what got us to doing biomed too.  Good luck!
Melanie

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "nehirshberg" <hirshberg3@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you, Mel, Rebecca and Dana.
>
> Makes sense. Headbanging is part of what got us started on the diet/chelation
path to begin with.
>
> We've been using Biotin for a few months (4-5x day - 20-25 mg) and it was
doing a pretty good job controlling the yeast. Not doing as good with chelation.
>
> We tried GSE 4 months ago, and found that he has a phenol intolerance, which
amplified his stimming and sleepless nights.
>
> What else can we try since he has a phenol intolerance? OLE transdermally (on
bottoms of feet)?
>
> I will increase the magnesium and keep up the epsom salt baths.  Not sure
about cutting back the dose to 2.5 mg ALA (1/16th of mg per lb). Sounds like
yeast/headbanging is going to happen regardless of the dose.
> Mel, did you lower the dose when your son started banging his head during
chelation? Or increase his yeast protocol? Or both?
>
> Thank you all. It's comforting to have you all to talk to.
> Thanks again,
>
> Nicole H.
>
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "Mel" <lanielady2000@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Nicole,
> > Head banging makes me insane.  I can take all my son's other behaviors, but
head banging makes me want to curl up in a corner in the fetal postion.  :P 
That said, head banging is a yeast sign for us.  We had it controllable until we
started chelating, and chelating is kicking up yeast like mad for us.  Now it's
harder to control, he is headbanging more frequently, and I'm giving him 3
different things to control it. Just about the time I get yeast back under
control, it's time to start the next round.
> > I'm trying to relax about it and remember that with chelation, eventually
yeast will stop being a problem (at least I HOPE so).  So if I have to put up
with extra headbanging now it's for the long term good.  I want to eventually
never see headbanging again.
> > You're doing great.  Hang in there.
> > Melanie
> > (currently on round 9 A.C. protocol with my son)
> >
> > --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "nehirshberg" <hirshberg3@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello -
> > >
> > > We are using ALA to chelate our 3.5 yo son, Sean(40 lbs).  We just
finished Round 2, and want to make sure that we are using the correct protocol
for him. He's been on the GFCF diet(and egg, peanut, soy, and dairy free)for
about 6 months.
> > >
> > > We start chelation on Friday afternoons and go until Monday morning, using
5 mg of ALA every 3 hrs. We give epsom salt baths every "on" day, and almost
every "off" day.
> > >
> > > We are supplementing:
> > > Zinc 60 mg (in 2-3 doses)
> > > Vit C 1000 mg (2 doses)
> > > Calcium w/Mag Citrate 150 mg
> > > Biotin 20-25 mg (4-5 doses)
> > > Milk Thistle 250-350 mg (2-3 doses)
> > > No-Fenol (as needed)
> > > Probiotics 30 billion cells(2 doses- wakeup and bedtime)
> > >
> > > Adding Vit E and Selenium (one at a time) over the next few weeks.
> > >
> > > During Round 1, he was Sean x3 - more stimming and more agressive, but was
lucid at times and retained the little speech he does have. The first off day
was horrible. Lots of crying, stimming and head banging - lasted off and on for
5 hours.  The rest of the week went fine and he even seemed to branch out with
his food choices.
> > >
> > > Same reaction on Round 2 (except a lot more lucid and some solid BMs=)).
Today was the first off day this round - he did well all day until 4 pm, and
then he had a meltdown and was banging his head like crazy.
> > >
> > > We gave him an epsom salt bath, and he is now calm.
> > >
> > > Is this reaction what should be expected from a proper dose schedule?
> > > Both the first and second round were a 5 mg dose (1/8th mg per lb).
> > > Should we reduce/increase dosage? To what?
> > >
> > > Though I am confident that we are on the right path for Sean, I could use
some reassurance (especially in times like these when he wants to bang his head
on the floor).
> > >
> > > Thank you so much,
> > >
> > > Nicole H.
> > >
> >
>

> I found that making dietary changes is better than taking something to treat
for acidity.  I ate lots of lettuce, corn and watermelon.  My feeling is that
you have to give the body alkaline building blocks to correct the PH of the
tissues. Taking an ant-acid or a strongly alkaline liquid is too superficial. 
Yes, you can screw up your gut taking antacids.  Your stomach has to have enough
acid to digest food.   I avoided peanuts and peanut oil for a long time and
recently began consuming peanut products in moderation.


Isn't it funny the very things that would be so helpful to the gut are the
things that made me sickest.   Corn was an allergy...but the lettuce, I never
figured out....just would make us all dog sick even it was our own organic
lettuce...watermelon was once a year and a small portion or again we were all
sick....but we did have better luck juicing and mixing it with something else.


> At one point, I ate walnuts several times a week.  They are high in Omega 3. 
I took flax a long time ago, back when I was also taking fish oil -- and doing
all kinds of other things that I was having negative side effects from, but
stuck with it because it was better than what doctors were offering me.  I'm not
crazy about the idea of using flax but I have nothing scientific to back that up
with.  I don't know what EPO is.

Sorry about that.....evening primrose oil.  I like it pretty well..but have a
couple kids who got chemical burns if they went out in the sun uncovered...quite
fair like their dad.


> >
>
> For a long time, if I ran out of glyconutrients, I was in crisis within 48
hours.  I now get the carbs I need from my diet and no longer need a
glyconutrient supplement.  If you haven't seen it, there are a few remarks here
about that: http://healthgazelle.com/combiningseasaltcarbsandhealthyfats.shtml
>

Will check it out.  Sounds like it is something doable.

> Something I don't think is there:  For the past several months, I
intentionally work on getting enough potato starch in my diet.  When we make
mashed potatoes, we fish the potatoes out of the water with a slotted spoon and
leave the starchy water with a few potato pieces on medium heat.  When steak is
done, we pour the starchy water into the steak pan and cook it down to "potato
sludge".  I eat that, at least twice a week.  I think "potato sludge" is part of
why I no longer need glyconutrients.  You could also do homemade potato soup or
German potato balls.   There are a couple of soup recipes on my website.

Our biggest problem is that we can't do potatoes.  For some reason it seems to
make our yeast worse than most carbs.  Yeast is such an issue for us...and not
sure why we can't get over it....taking immune boosters and bone broth and the
kids are chelating but the yeast is still sooooooooooooooooooooo horrible!!! 
DMSA is better than ALA but at some point we will have to add it in again....had
to quit chelating to fight the yeast with ALA before.


>
> Michele
> http://www.healthgazelle.com
> http://www.kidslikemine.com
> http://www.solanorail.com
>

Hi,

I've looked at past post and it mentioned using baby lotion with ala to apply
transdermaly.  Do you think if we mix coconut oil or emu oil with ala, that
would be ok?

Marie

thinking (in the midst of a busy busy house) - chicory ideas might be more
related to the licorice range of issues...potassium connections appear to be the
big issue for us, on the licorice stuff.  Could be way off base, but. throwing
the idea out there. elizabeth

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "eli8591" <eli8591@...> wrote:
>
> apologies - appears I confused the issues.
> Chicory.
> Pretty sure not the inulin - not on my avoid list...maybe related to cell
transport ideas (sodium/potassium), which is the connection I have with the
dandelion issues - big sigh, myself - been awhile since I looked at these.  I
know that I considered chicory for a minute & came across "something" that put
it on the "maybe later, but probably not" list I keep *in my head.*
>
> Self-heal, Milk Thistle
> This is a separate idea from the chicory. Liver support - I used milk thistle
for years.  Needs changed (?), not so helpful & we gradually just stopped taking
it.  Even as it did look like some sort of liver support needed...did a lot of
guinea pig'g type of stuff.  We like the self-heal, tried it primarily for this
purpose, but do like it overall.
> My daughter refuses many many supplements, so we have switched to alot of
topical answers - and I have found that this approach works really good for all
of us.  Building on the past experiences of getting really really good results
from things like epsom baths, and coconut oil rubs.  Skin rocks, esp. when your
belly is having a tough time of it, imo.  (chuckling - other people make tea. We
experiment by throwing it in the bathtub)
>
> And, this is where I start most of the time, to find out things like "why do I
think chicory is related to dandelion?"  :b
> There should also be some other herb type ideas for things to look into, to
see if they are helpful to try, yk?  However, I would double check here, at
onibasu, etc, for any cautions, that might apply for you, for the metal tox
range of issues.
>
> www.anniesremedy.com
>
> elizabeth
>
>
>
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "wiersmak" <wiersmak@> wrote:
> >
> > is the chicory concern related to inulin?  We are kind of at our wits end
for liver support becuase most supplements are too high in oxalate value. 
Chicory is also high, but much lower than milk thistle and doesnt seem to cause
the same issues.  sigh
> >
> > --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "eli8591" <eli8591@> wrote:
> > >
> > > total side note - there is a caution with chicory that I don't recall this
moment - related to the same ideas as dandelion, I think (applies to us, at
least)...
> > > milk thistle...self-heal (prunella, I think it is) is an alternative, that
we like - would note, however, that we pretty much use it topically, vs as a
supplement.
> > > We have found that extra b's & zinc help with the "terror" part of this -
going from dreamless sleep to rather vivid dreaming can be alarming. It does
seem to be the way it goes, in our experience tho, as "sleep" issues are
addressed & healed.
> > > elizabeth
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "wiersmak" <wiersmak@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Currently we're using chicory, yarrow and glutathione for liver
support.  Cant use milk thistle due to its high oxalate content.  A little bit
of that really does a number on him.  Thanks for the feedback.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "rhondagatewood84"
<rhondagatewood84@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Possible he is breaking into a fever at night...would explain the
sweating and disrupted sleep.  Sounds like he's detoxing...thats a good thing. 
Are you supporting the liver?  I used Detox support by Kirkman's but the
N-acetyl cysteine caused yeast issues for us...so I had to drop from our
regimen.  Milk thistle supports the liver too.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HTH,
> > > > > > Rhonda
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Has anyone used this brand of probiotics?  I saw it at the local HFS, it claims
to be gluten, dairy - allergen free, and the Ultimate Flora Critical Care
version claims to have 50 billion cfus of mixed probiotic strains.  My son has
been on the Klaire Detox Support Therbiotic Probiotic for quite a while- almost
a year and a half, and I don't think it is helping as much as it used to.  We
recently started giving him Culturelle, which has helped a lot.  But we wanted a
more broad spectrum probiotic.  We used to use the Klaire broad spectrum
product, but it had a strep strain in it, so we stopped using it.

Anyway, if anyone has used this product, I would be interested to hear how they
liked it, and if it was effective.

Thanks.  Irene

Thank you, Mel, Rebecca and Dana.

Makes sense. Headbanging is part of what got us started on the diet/chelation
path to begin with.

We've been using Biotin for a few months (4-5x day - 20-25 mg) and it was doing
a pretty good job controlling the yeast. Not doing as good with chelation.

We tried GSE 4 months ago, and found that he has a phenol intolerance, which
amplified his stimming and sleepless nights.

What else can we try since he has a phenol intolerance? OLE transdermally (on
bottoms of feet)?

I will increase the magnesium and keep up the epsom salt baths.  Not sure about
cutting back the dose to 2.5 mg ALA (1/16th of mg per lb). Sounds like
yeast/headbanging is going to happen regardless of the dose.
Mel, did you lower the dose when your son started banging his head during
chelation? Or increase his yeast protocol? Or both?

Thank you all. It's comforting to have you all to talk to.
Thanks again,

Nicole H.

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "Mel" <lanielady2000@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Nicole,
> Head banging makes me insane.  I can take all my son's other behaviors, but
head banging makes me want to curl up in a corner in the fetal postion.  :P 
That said, head banging is a yeast sign for us.  We had it controllable until we
started chelating, and chelating is kicking up yeast like mad for us.  Now it's
harder to control, he is headbanging more frequently, and I'm giving him 3
different things to control it. Just about the time I get yeast back under
control, it's time to start the next round.
> I'm trying to relax about it and remember that with chelation, eventually
yeast will stop being a problem (at least I HOPE so).  So if I have to put up
with extra headbanging now it's for the long term good.  I want to eventually
never see headbanging again.
> You're doing great.  Hang in there.
> Melanie
> (currently on round 9 A.C. protocol with my son)
>
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "nehirshberg" <hirshberg3@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello -
> >
> > We are using ALA to chelate our 3.5 yo son, Sean(40 lbs).  We just finished
Round 2, and want to make sure that we are using the correct protocol for him.
He's been on the GFCF diet(and egg, peanut, soy, and dairy free)for about 6
months.
> >
> > We start chelation on Friday afternoons and go until Monday morning, using 5
mg of ALA every 3 hrs. We give epsom salt baths every "on" day, and almost every
"off" day.
> >
> > We are supplementing:
> > Zinc 60 mg (in 2-3 doses)
> > Vit C 1000 mg (2 doses)
> > Calcium w/Mag Citrate 150 mg
> > Biotin 20-25 mg (4-5 doses)
> > Milk Thistle 250-350 mg (2-3 doses)
> > No-Fenol (as needed)
> > Probiotics 30 billion cells(2 doses- wakeup and bedtime)
> >
> > Adding Vit E and Selenium (one at a time) over the next few weeks.
> >
> > During Round 1, he was Sean x3 - more stimming and more agressive, but was
lucid at times and retained the little speech he does have. The first off day
was horrible. Lots of crying, stimming and head banging - lasted off and on for
5 hours.  The rest of the week went fine and he even seemed to branch out with
his food choices.
> >
> > Same reaction on Round 2 (except a lot more lucid and some solid BMs=)).
Today was the first off day this round - he did well all day until 4 pm, and
then he had a meltdown and was banging his head like crazy.
> >
> > We gave him an epsom salt bath, and he is now calm.
> >
> > Is this reaction what should be expected from a proper dose schedule?
> > Both the first and second round were a 5 mg dose (1/8th mg per lb).
> > Should we reduce/increase dosage? To what?
> >
> > Though I am confident that we are on the right path for Sean, I could use
some reassurance (especially in times like these when he wants to bang his head
on the floor).
> >
> > Thank you so much,
> >
> > Nicole H.
> >
>

thank you dana, do you think it would be okay for us to chelate with the
anti-viral programme, or should we do one first then the other, thank you
emma

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "danasview" <danasview@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "eeejay174" <eeejay174@> wrote:
> > 2nd question, my eldest is 11, is this too old for him to begin chelation,
is it too late?
>
>
> I started chelating myself when I was in my 30s.  I am now fully chelated, and
quite a number of my issues were resolved.  I am using supplements now to
resolve the rest of my issues.
>
>
> >>He has dreadful dreadful yeast and i think the big push for us is that
chelation, in theory, should take approx a year to remove to the stage where
yeast is no longer an issue at weekly rounds.
>
>
> For my son, ALA chelation eliminated gut yeast at about round 50, which was
approx one year after I started.  However, he still developed frequent issues of
brain yeast until I was finished with anti-virals and B12.
>
>
> > This may sound daft, but would it even be worth considering the youngest?? 
she is showing all the signs of asd, has had her 3 vaccinations, but not mmr.
>
>
> I started chelating my #4 when she was 2.  She was ADHD, and now she is fine.
>
> Dana
>

What is the best way to test for yeast?


--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "danasview" <danasview@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "nickoct1979" <nikunj@> wrote:
> > Thanks Dana. Can you tell me under what circumstances OLE can be used? Is it
for prevention of cold/flu? Or can it also be used as a cure if a condition is
already present?
>
>
> Both
>
>
> >>Which conditions?
>
>
> At my house, it suppressed viruses but other supps were required to eliminate
the viruses.  It did prevent colds/flu.
>
> It eliminated bad bacteria problems here, and seasonal allergies.
>
>
> >>For eg. my daughter presently has an extremely bad cough and also running
temperature of 104 degrees. What dosage of OLE should I give her?
>
>
> I started with 250mg and worked up as required.
>
> Cough associated with illness, at my house, meant yeast in the lungs.
>
> Dana
>

Thanks for your replies Michelle, Ronni & Judy.

I had to look up most of the supplements that you were suggesting since I hadn't
heard of them!

You've suggested alkanizing the body to me in the past & I don't know what's up
with my memory, but I had forgotten that advice. In the past, I've noticed that
my daughter's urine was very acidic-smelling during bouts of bronchitis or chest
congestion.

I'm looking into the glyconutrients as well, in particular for my DD who is
congested a lot.

Monique


--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "ronnimike" <HISSPECIALTOUCH@...> wrote:
>
> Hi comments interspersed.
>
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "michele_in_california"
<talithamichele@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Something I posted to this listed maybe a couple of weeks back:
> >  I have a form of cystic fibrosis, so lung issues are a big part of my life.
Here's what I know:
> > >
> > > Excess acidity inflames the lungs and promotes a rough, raspy cough.  It
also promotes infection.  Getting inflammation under control in patients with
cystic fibrosis reduces incidence of infection.  I was able to get off lots of
anti-inflammatory meds by reducing acidity in my body.  Other people with cystic
fibrosis anecdotally report that their prescription ant-acids help not just
their stomach but also their lungs.
>
> I agree....ant-acids reduced my asthma to nuttin...but also ended up with more
issues in the gut....I found that actually one of the issues was the over
abundance of the wrong acid...and not enough of the correct acid.  Beta
hydrochloric acid is often low when antibiotics and our SADiet is in full force.
>
>
>
> > >
> > > Celtic sea salt has helped support healthy mucus production for me.  Lungs
are lined with mucus.  My lungs got a lot better after I switched to Celtic sea
salt.
> > >
> > > When taking gauifensisen, make sure you get enough salt and water.  It
doesn't work effectively if you aren't getting enough fluids and salt.
>
> I developed a nasty allergy to this....the only thing I found to help in it's
place was lots of fluids...and for me...hot was better than cold.
>

>
>  Ronni
>

Andy,

I noticed you are back on the board for a bit and wanted your thoughts.  Can
Fragile X Syndrome skew hair tests that meet the counting rules or porphyrin
tests to make it appear there's a metals problem when there really isn't?
Fwiw, both coproporphyrin and uroporphyrin were elevated, which (i think)
points toward toxicity and away from genetics (p182 of Amalgam Illness).

Thanks.


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--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "nickoct1979" <nikunj@...> wrote:
> Thanks Dana. Can you tell me under what circumstances OLE can be used? Is it
for prevention of cold/flu? Or can it also be used as a cure if a condition is
already present?


Both


>>Which conditions?


At my house, it suppressed viruses but other supps were required to eliminate
the viruses.  It did prevent colds/flu.

It eliminated bad bacteria problems here, and seasonal allergies.


>>For eg. my daughter presently has an extremely bad cough and also running
temperature of 104 degrees. What dosage of OLE should I give her?


I started with 250mg and worked up as required.

Cough associated with illness, at my house, meant yeast in the lungs.

Dana

Denise,

I started with 5 mgs DHEA.  At one point I was up to 25mgs but went back down to
5mgs after hearing the higher doses might not be good.  For me I think it helped
(didn't hurt).  I used Ortho Molecular.

We sound so similar; except you have done a better job with diet!

It can, and will, get better.  Have you tried high doses of EPA (essential fatty
acid) for the depression?  I found relief to some degree with 2 grams EPA daily.
I used Nordic Naturals EPA Xtra.

What you experience is not uncommon.  I am disappointed in your DAN! doctor's
assessment.

Finding some stress relief from dealing with Autism is really important.  For me
it is exercise, but that, too, can be harmful.  I don't seem to have a
paradoxical reaction to exercise (it energizes me) but you need to be cautious
of your limits.

Vitamin C, E, Bcomplex.  Essential Fatty Acids.  Zinc, magnesium.  Do you take
these?

Pam

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "dmuiter" <dmuiter@...> wrote:
>
> thanks for your responses Pam and Andy.
>
> I am so happy to hear from Pam that this is how someone else felt.... I was
beginning to think I was losing it.  My husband, although on board with most
biomedical treatments, thinks I 'messed myself up" by doing things.  He means
well, but I know that I 'began' something that is going in the right direction
towards better health, but did not do all the was necessary to it.
>
> I guess I didnt put the amalgam removal + chelation together enough... even
the dentist is not versed in chelation and no one mentioned it.
>
> Here I thought I was being proactive by having them removed.... never thinking
it could make me feel worse.
>
> Interestingly enough, I mentioned this 'slide' for me to my son's DAN, and the
DAN doc didnt think the amalgam removal would be connected to me feeling
worse....
> but it makes so much sense.
>
> I do have your book, Andy... but got it about 6 months after removing my
amalgams....ughhh.
>
> I did a 24 hr saliva test about 2 yrs ago whiched showed adrenal fatigue- with
a see saw cortisol pattern( crashing at 6pm and back up at 9pm- yuck!).  At the
time, it was a year after my son's birth and we didnt even know about autism or
biomed yet.
>
> I just did another saliva hormone test- 12 readings over course of full
month/cycle... and it showed the low DHEA/adrenal stress again.  It seemed to
put the other hormones in normal range.
>
> I was given an adrenal support called Adrenvive by Ortho Molecular.... doc
felt this would be better than direct DHEA...??
>
> Doc is worried to have me start chelating before me feeling better- she
worries about my getting even more depressed...
> Plan was to start with oral DMSA( I plan to do Cutler protocol) and then I was
going to add in ALA... after waiting a few rounds.
>
> I am anxious because I cannot take much more of this.
>
> I eat very well.... whole foods, mostly organic and have removed most
allergens... pretty low sugar, no junk or processed stuff.  Trienza enzymes help
me too.
>
> Pam, at least you have given me hope this will get better.
> Did you start on 5mgs of DHEA or work up to it??
>
> denise
>
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "Pamela H" <phaselow@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Ah, Denise.
> >
> > Insert my name and put the post back to 2005 and this was me.  I had my
amalgams removed but didn't chelate. I focused on my child instead of myself and
crashed about 4-6 months after amalgam removal.
> >
> > Chelation has helped, along with addressing hormone and adrenal issues.  All
my hormones were low and SHBG was elevated.  DHEA-S helped me immensely for a
period of time (5mgs/day).  Progesterone cream, too.  Diet revisions are crucial
to my adrenal health but I haven't gotten a solid handle on that one yet (sugar
is my crutch).
> >
> > Were your hormone levels checked in blood or saliva?  Did you have a 24 hr
cortisol (saliva) run?  How did it look?  I guess I'm wondering where you got
the dx of adrenal fatigue.
> >
> > So, absolutely this is related to amalgam removal.  If you do nothing you
will slowly improve back to a baseline that might be better then how you felt
with amalgams in place... but chelation will be the best guarantee of real
recovery and long term health.
> >
> > do you plan on using DMSA?  ALA?  I use both, actually.  25 mgs each; every
3-4 hours for 72 hours.  I suppose you know this already since you have a
spectrum child (me, too).
> >
> > Get started!
> >
> > Pam
> > --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "dmuiter" <dmuiter@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I had my 4 amalgams removed last November by IAOMT dentist( oxygen & dam
used).... and was happy that they were finally out!
> > > I didnt chelate or do anything new( other than follow my GFCFSF diet and
supplement MB12, EFA's, Zinc, probiotics).
> > >
> > > I started to feel just bad about January of this year.  I started getting
sinus infections( wondered if MB12 kicked up yeast??) and then feeling fatigued
and just generally yucky almost all the time.
> > > I checked into my hormones because I really feel bad 10 days before my
menstrual cycle and get so tired, nauseated, major cramps and back aches.... 
hormones seem ok, but have I have adrenal fatigue.  My DHEA is really low.
> > > My doc has put me on a Adrenal support and SAMe for depression....
> > >
> > > Anyway, could my decline in general health be due to the Amalgam
Removal???
> > >
> > > I have a son with autism and believe I am pretty toxic( fertility
problems, multiple miscarriages) and am planning on chelating myself soon....
> > > Just hoping this will all go away if I chelate myself.... I am tired of
feeling this way!
> > >
> > > thanks for any thoughts,
> > > denise
> > >
> >
>

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "eeejay174" <eeejay174@...> wrote:
> 2nd question, my eldest is 11, is this too old for him to begin chelation, is
it too late?


I started chelating myself when I was in my 30s.  I am now fully chelated, and
quite a number of my issues were resolved.  I am using supplements now to
resolve the rest of my issues.


>>He has dreadful dreadful yeast and i think the big push for us is that
chelation, in theory, should take approx a year to remove to the stage where
yeast is no longer an issue at weekly rounds.


For my son, ALA chelation eliminated gut yeast at about round 50, which was
approx one year after I started.  However, he still developed frequent issues of
brain yeast until I was finished with anti-virals and B12.


> This may sound daft, but would it even be worth considering the youngest?? 
she is showing all the signs of asd, has had her 3 vaccinations, but not mmr.


I started chelating my #4 when she was 2.  She was ADHD, and now she is fine.

Dana

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "Pamela H" <phaselow@...> wrote:
> I have a friend who sadly now has two children with diagnosed mitochondrial
disorders and Autism.


This may not be an acceptable source to your friend, but this is what my son
needed to correct his mito issues

http://www.danasview.net/mar05.htm

Dana

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "nehirshberg" <hirshberg3@...> wrote:
>>The first off day was horrible. Lots of crying, stimming and head banging -
lasted off and on for 5 hours.


This would have meant yeast overgrowth at my house.

Dana

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, Renate Lindeman <evedawn@...> wrote:
> Hi Dana,
> So you mean that lysine helped your son to fight off the virus completely.


Yes, all four kids, and myself.


>> He doesn't take it at this moment?


None of us need lysine any more.


>>How long did he have to take it,


One son, 8 months.  Me, probably a year.  The others did not need it for that
long.


>>what dose - do you remember?


The highest dose I gave was 3000mg 3x per day.  That was for #2.  The rest of us
did not need that high of a dose.


>>I am ordering tonight and am curious to see if my kids will develop cold
sores. (they never had symptoms but I read that upto 70% of poeple carry the
virus).


Only 3 of us had cold sores [as well as other issues].  The other 2 of us had
other presentations.

Dana

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, Osamuyi Ogbebor <osamuyi05@...> wrote:
> My son has developed a dryness around the tear pore on his left eye, it seems
like something toxic leaking out. Please does anyone have an advice.


My #4 had goopy discharge from her tear duct on and off for several years, it
was yeast oozing out of her body.

Dana

Yes.  My son has high HHV6 and EBV titers.  And you also see kids that
don't have the titers and yet still respond to antivirals.  It's the
whole stealth virus theory.  We use Rx antivirals. We only recently
added Lysine because his Lysine/Arginine ratio is off.  You want to
make sure your Lysine is higher than your Arginine as viruses thrive
with the opposite.

Cheryl
~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com
~@midian42~

On Nov 6, 2009, at 11:01 AM, evedawn@... wrote:

> Is it possible to have herpes (or be a carrier)without ever having
> symptoms; cold sores etc.? I am wondering if I should give lysine to
> my daughters who never had herpes symptoms.
> Tx Renate
>
>
>



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--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "diamond12345@..." <diamond12345@...>
wrote:
> I can't do the carotene conversion or mito coctail since she reacts
> violently to EVERYTHGN  I try. Do you think after years of chelation
> some of these things may go away.


At my house, what went away after chelation was the intolerance to the
supplements.  My son still needed the supps for recovery, but he tolerated them
at about round 50.

Dana

apologies - appears I confused the issues.
Chicory.
Pretty sure not the inulin - not on my avoid list...maybe related to cell
transport ideas (sodium/potassium), which is the connection I have with the
dandelion issues - big sigh, myself - been awhile since I looked at these.  I
know that I considered chicory for a minute & came across "something" that put
it on the "maybe later, but probably not" list I keep *in my head.*

Self-heal, Milk Thistle
This is a separate idea from the chicory. Liver support - I used milk thistle
for years.  Needs changed (?), not so helpful & we gradually just stopped taking
it.  Even as it did look like some sort of liver support needed...did a lot of
guinea pig'g type of stuff.  We like the self-heal, tried it primarily for this
purpose, but do like it overall.
My daughter refuses many many supplements, so we have switched to alot of
topical answers - and I have found that this approach works really good for all
of us.  Building on the past experiences of getting really really good results
from things like epsom baths, and coconut oil rubs.  Skin rocks, esp. when your
belly is having a tough time of it, imo.  (chuckling - other people make tea. We
experiment by throwing it in the bathtub)

And, this is where I start most of the time, to find out things like "why do I
think chicory is related to dandelion?"  :b
There should also be some other herb type ideas for things to look into, to see
if they are helpful to try, yk?  However, I would double check here, at onibasu,
etc, for any cautions, that might apply for you, for the metal tox range of
issues.

www.anniesremedy.com

elizabeth



--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "wiersmak" <wiersmak@...> wrote:
>
> is the chicory concern related to inulin?  We are kind of at our wits end for
liver support becuase most supplements are too high in oxalate value.  Chicory
is also high, but much lower than milk thistle and doesnt seem to cause the same
issues.  sigh
>
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "eli8591" <eli8591@> wrote:
> >
> > total side note - there is a caution with chicory that I don't recall this
moment - related to the same ideas as dandelion, I think (applies to us, at
least)...
> > milk thistle...self-heal (prunella, I think it is) is an alternative, that
we like - would note, however, that we pretty much use it topically, vs as a
supplement.
> > We have found that extra b's & zinc help with the "terror" part of this -
going from dreamless sleep to rather vivid dreaming can be alarming. It does
seem to be the way it goes, in our experience tho, as "sleep" issues are
addressed & healed.
> > elizabeth
> >
> >
> > >
> > > --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "wiersmak" <wiersmak@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Currently we're using chicory, yarrow and glutathione for liver support.
Cant use milk thistle due to its high oxalate content.  A little bit of that
really does a number on him.  Thanks for the feedback.
> > > >
> > > > --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "rhondagatewood84"
<rhondagatewood84@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Possible he is breaking into a fever at night...would explain the
sweating and disrupted sleep.  Sounds like he's detoxing...thats a good thing. 
Are you supporting the liver?  I used Detox support by Kirkman's but the
N-acetyl cysteine caused yeast issues for us...so I had to drop from our
regimen.  Milk thistle supports the liver too.
> > > > >
> > > > > HTH,
> > > > > Rhonda
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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Hi Andy,

Thanks for responding to my post.

So if don't look only at the test results but corelate the results with her
symptoms, you still think chelation with DMSA for lead is warranted? I mean from
abso no words at 2 yrs of age to full-blown sentences and conversation now at 3
yrs of ago is a HUGE jump. Her only drawback now is the misarticulation.

Do you think it's still warranted to chelate?

Best regards,

Nikunj

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "andrewhallcutler" <AndyCutler@...>
wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "nickoct1979" <nikunj@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Andy,
> >
> > This is in continuation to our conversation off-list a couple of months ago
(thread from earlier conversation also pasted below). You asked me to put the
further questions I have on this list so that you can discuss it. So here I am.
I had emailed you mu daughter's hair test results at the time but if you need to
refer to it again, they have been posted on
http://livingnetwork.co.za/chelationnetwork/hairtest/hairtest2/ (Hair Test #
311).
> >
> > Now my question is this. If for a minute, let's say we were to go only by
the test results
>
> Which I think is an improper approach and never want to do, nor do I ever
encourage people to do so.
>
> >then you don't think Mercury is an issue here?
>
> The hair test is not strongly suggestive that it is, though the relatively LOW
mercury level is one possible indication that it might be.
>
> >What about Lead?
>
> That has a relatively high likelihood of being an issue.
>
> >Are the levels high enough to require chelation?
>
> I think so.
>
> >And what of the total toxic load in her body?
>
> I have no idea.  You won't either if you are overly focussed on lab tests.
>
> > Just to give you an update on my daughter's present symptoms, she now speaks
in full-blown sentences which is a big change from having no words at 2 yrs of
age. However, she still has a lot of misarticulation. She has been receiving
mild speech therapy and supplementation with fish oils since she was 2.3 yrs of
age.
>
> Chelate chelate chelate.
>
> Properly, too - it is known that improper lead chelation does not improve
neurological issues.  Only proper chelation does that.
>
> > I look forward to your response.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Nikunj
> >
> >
> > Andy's reply - It looks very normal to me.
> >
> > However, this is not a guarantee of anything.  It just makes it seem less
likely she has a mercury problem, but the probability is far from zero.
> >
> > In situations like this I usually suggest trying chelation (presuming she
has no amalgam fillings!) for at least 5 three day long cycles.  If absolutely
nothing happens then it seems very unlikely she has problems with mercury or
other heavy metals.  In that case it is time to consider what else to try.
> >
> > If there is some other diagnosis you are getting from the regular doctors
that has an intervention that really is potentially curative it would make a lot
of sense to pursue that instead.  However most parents are in a situation where
there isn't really anything 'mainstream' to do, or at least not anything that
really makes the kid normal, so it is very important to chase down even slim
hopes, such as the chance that a child who has a normal looking hair test
actually does respond to chelation.  I've certainly heard of it happening many
times, but often the hair test is accurate and nothing happens.  Chelation is
easy and cheap enough to do that it seems wise to just try it and be completely
sure it isn't going to work, or be surprised and find out it does.
> >
> > Actually it is quite difficult to do more than offer generalities as above
without some further information.
> >
> > Probably Rebecca was encouraging you to just try chelation.  I am sure there
are many children who will never get better because their parents didn't try
chelation due to a normal hair test, or advice from a doctor that it was a silly
thing to do.
> >
> > Andy
> > www.noamalgam.com
> >
> >
> >
> > My original email to Andy - Hi Andy,
> >
> > I am a member of some support groups on Yahoo such as
ApraxiaDyspraxiaBioMed, Autism-Mercury, frequent-dose-chelation, etc. I live in
India. My daughter is 2.8 yrs old and speech delayed with misarticulation or
phonological disorder. Based on my research, I had a hair test done from
Doctors' Data which revealed high lead levels. However, the hair test did not
meet any of your counting rules which should mean no mercury toxicity which in
turn means chelating only with DMSA.
> >
> > However, when Rebecca reviewed the hair test results, she thought Mercury
was an issue too. On my doubting this, she advised me to check with you if you
could share your thoughts with me on my daughter's hair test results. I have
just ordered both your books but it will surely be most helpful to get your
insight into this first hand.
> >
> > I am attaching the hair test results. Would really appreciate your thoughts
on this.
> >
> > Thanks & regards,
> >
> > Nikunj
> >
>

Thanks Dana. Can you tell me under what circumstances OLE can be used? Is it for
prevention of cold/flu? Or can it also be used as a cure if a condition is
already present? Which conditions? For eg. my daughter presently has an
extremely bad cough and also running temperature of 104 degrees. What dosage of
OLE should I give her? I am presently giving her traditional medicines like
Calpol (and probably will have to consider Ibugesic Plus at some point of time).

Further, if OLE can be used as a cure then for what? Is it for a runny
nose/cold, cough, fever or all of them?

Best regards,

Nikunj


--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "danasview" <danasview@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "nickoct1979" <nikunj@> wrote:
> > My 3 yr old daughter with misarticulation/phonological disorder is highly
susceptible to catching cold/flu. So instead of all the time treating with
allopathic medicines, I have thought of trying Oil of Oregano and Olive Leave
Extract instead.
> > Just want to know which of these products should be used at what time and in
what dosage/duration.
>
>
> I have used OLE for this purpose.  I know of families who have used Virastop. 
So I would try either of those first.
>
> Dana
>

Hi linda-
the amalgams were replaced with porcelain and were done by quadrant- 2 at a
time.  It was about 3 weeks between the 2 'extractions'.
I am pleased to hear that chelation will help.... anxious to start.

thanks- denise

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "Linda Shepard Salzer"
<Linda_Shepard@...> wrote:
>
> What were they replaced with?  Were they removed all at once or by quadrant? 
Did you have any vaccines around January?  Chelation should help.  Use AC
protocol.
> Linda S S
>
> After Amalgam Removal- Feeling Worse???
> Posted by: "dmuiter" dmuiter@...   dmuiter
> Mon Nov 9, 2009 9:20 am (PST)
>
>
>
> I had my 4 amalgams removed last November by IAOMT dentist( oxygen & dam
used).... and was happy that they were finally out!
> I didnt chelate or do anything new( other than follow my GFCFSF diet and
supplement MB12, EFA's, Zinc, probiotics).
>
> I started to feel just bad about January of this year. I started getting sinus
infections( wondered if MB12 kicked up yeast??) and then feeling fatigued and
just generally yucky almost all the time.
> I checked into my hormones because I really feel bad 10 days before my
menstrual cycle and get so tired, nauseated, major cramps and back aches....
hormones seem ok, but have I have adrenal fatigue. My DHEA is really low.
> My doc has put me on a Adrenal support and SAMe for depression....
>
> Anyway, could my decline in general health be due to the Amalgam Removal???
>
> I have a son with autism and believe I am pretty toxic( fertility problems,
multiple miscarriages) and am planning on chelating myself soon....
> Just hoping this will all go away if I chelate myself.... I am tired of
feeling this way!
>
> thanks for any thoughts,
> denise
>
>
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hi all
we have been back and for to this board many times, enquiring about chelation
for my children, i have an 11 year old lad who is autistic and a 6 year old with
adhd, plus a 2 year old who is continually ill all the time.

1st question is, how much does it cost in the uk to have fillings removed, we
grew up with a dentist who basically believed that every child should have their
teeth filled now even if there wasnt a problem, because eventually there would
be one.  I have a diagnosis of autism, and there are 5 large filings, 1 small.

2nd question, my eldest is 11, is this too old for him to begin chelation, is it
too late?  i'm sure i read somewhere that its pointles trying after 5, as the
mercury gets written into the cells, and becomes incredibley hard if impossible
to remove.  Will it help a child with adhd and also hes 6?  I'm currently
following the anti viral protocol with both of them, the 6 year old is improvong
hugely, things are far slower for the 11 year old.  He has dreadful dreadful
yeast and i think the big push for us is that chelation, in theory, should take
approx a year to remove to the stage where yeast is no longer an issue at weekly
rounds.

This may sound daft, but would it even be worth considering the youngest??  she
is showing all the signs of asd, has had her 3 vaccinations, but not mmr.

thank you and sorry for the long post.

Is it a biomed group?  Do you know their stance/use/advocacy on chelation,
supplements, environment, etc?

Thanks,

Pam

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> Hi everyone,
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> I have a friend who sadly now has two children with diagnosed mitochondrial
disorders and Autism. Her oldest is obviously impaired but her youngest today
just started showing mito symptoms (bilateral calf pain/unable to walk) and I
think has Aspergers. Youngest is a girl about age 9. She did not recently get a
flu shot and was not ill prior to this episode.
>
> Can I get some info on treating mito disorders? A link or two? She is not a
biomed mom but would be willing to listen and likely to act if given reasonable
info (please no sites that link Bush to Hitler or Big Pharma to mind control).
:)
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> Thanks so much! She is a really special woman and I'd love to help her. Take a
look at the work she does:
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> http://www.goodfrie ndinc.com
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> Pam
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What were they replaced with?  Were they removed all at once or by quadrant? 
Did you have any vaccines around January?  Chelation should help.  Use AC
protocol.
Linda S S

After Amalgam Removal- Feeling Worse???
Posted by: "dmuiter" dmuiter@...   dmuiter
Mon Nov 9, 2009 9:20 am (PST)



I had my 4 amalgams removed last November by IAOMT dentist( oxygen & dam
used).... and was happy that they were finally out!
I didnt chelate or do anything new( other than follow my GFCFSF diet and
supplement MB12, EFA's, Zinc, probiotics).

I started to feel just bad about January of this year. I started getting sinus
infections( wondered if MB12 kicked up yeast??) and then feeling fatigued and
just generally yucky almost all the time.
I checked into my hormones because I really feel bad 10 days before my menstrual
cycle and get so tired, nauseated, major cramps and back aches.... hormones seem
ok, but have I have adrenal fatigue. My DHEA is really low.
My doc has put me on a Adrenal support and SAMe for depression....

Anyway, could my decline in general health be due to the Amalgam Removal???

I have a son with autism and believe I am pretty toxic( fertility problems,
multiple miscarriages) and am planning on chelating myself soon....
Just hoping this will all go away if I chelate myself.... I am tired of feeling
this way!

thanks for any thoughts,
denise


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