Hi linda-
the amalgams were replaced with porcelain and were done by quadrant- 2 at a
time.  It was about 3 weeks between the 2 'extractions'.
I am pleased to hear that chelation will help.... anxious to start.

thanks- denise

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "Linda Shepard Salzer"
<Linda_Shepard@...> wrote:
>
> What were they replaced with?  Were they removed all at once or by quadrant? 
Did you have any vaccines around January?  Chelation should help.  Use AC
protocol.
> Linda S S
>
> After Amalgam Removal- Feeling Worse???
> Posted by: "dmuiter" dmuiter@...   dmuiter
> Mon Nov 9, 2009 9:20 am (PST)
>
>
>
> I had my 4 amalgams removed last November by IAOMT dentist( oxygen & dam
used).... and was happy that they were finally out!
> I didnt chelate or do anything new( other than follow my GFCFSF diet and
supplement MB12, EFA's, Zinc, probiotics).
>
> I started to feel just bad about January of this year. I started getting sinus
infections( wondered if MB12 kicked up yeast??) and then feeling fatigued and
just generally yucky almost all the time.
> I checked into my hormones because I really feel bad 10 days before my
menstrual cycle and get so tired, nauseated, major cramps and back aches....
hormones seem ok, but have I have adrenal fatigue. My DHEA is really low.
> My doc has put me on a Adrenal support and SAMe for depression....
>
> Anyway, could my decline in general health be due to the Amalgam Removal???
>
> I have a son with autism and believe I am pretty toxic( fertility problems,
multiple miscarriages) and am planning on chelating myself soon....
> Just hoping this will all go away if I chelate myself.... I am tired of
feeling this way!
>
> thanks for any thoughts,
> denise
>
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hi all
we have been back and for to this board many times, enquiring about chelation
for my children, i have an 11 year old lad who is autistic and a 6 year old with
adhd, plus a 2 year old who is continually ill all the time.

1st question is, how much does it cost in the uk to have fillings removed, we
grew up with a dentist who basically believed that every child should have their
teeth filled now even if there wasnt a problem, because eventually there would
be one.  I have a diagnosis of autism, and there are 5 large filings, 1 small.

2nd question, my eldest is 11, is this too old for him to begin chelation, is it
too late?  i'm sure i read somewhere that its pointles trying after 5, as the
mercury gets written into the cells, and becomes incredibley hard if impossible
to remove.  Will it help a child with adhd and also hes 6?  I'm currently
following the anti viral protocol with both of them, the 6 year old is improvong
hugely, things are far slower for the 11 year old.  He has dreadful dreadful
yeast and i think the big push for us is that chelation, in theory, should take
approx a year to remove to the stage where yeast is no longer an issue at weekly
rounds.

This may sound daft, but would it even be worth considering the youngest??  she
is showing all the signs of asd, has had her 3 vaccinations, but not mmr.

thank you and sorry for the long post.

Is it a biomed group?  Do you know their stance/use/advocacy on chelation,
supplements, environment, etc?

Thanks,

Pam

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, Shell <zencameyou@...> wrote:
>
> There is a yahoo group for mito and autism
>  
> Meta-mito-autism@yahoogroups.com
>
> --- On Tue, 11/10/09, Pamela H <phaselow@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Pamela H <phaselow@...>
> Subject: [Autism-Mercury] Autism/Mitochondrial Disorders
> To: Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 2:31 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I have a friend who sadly now has two children with diagnosed mitochondrial
disorders and Autism. Her oldest is obviously impaired but her youngest today
just started showing mito symptoms (bilateral calf pain/unable to walk) and I
think has Aspergers. Youngest is a girl about age 9. She did not recently get a
flu shot and was not ill prior to this episode.
>
> Can I get some info on treating mito disorders? A link or two? She is not a
biomed mom but would be willing to listen and likely to act if given reasonable
info (please no sites that link Bush to Hitler or Big Pharma to mind control).
:)
>
> Thanks so much! She is a really special woman and I'd love to help her. Take a
look at the work she does:
>
> http://www.goodfrie ndinc.com
>
> Pam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

What were they replaced with?  Were they removed all at once or by quadrant? 
Did you have any vaccines around January?  Chelation should help.  Use AC
protocol.
Linda S S

After Amalgam Removal- Feeling Worse???
Posted by: "dmuiter" dmuiter@...   dmuiter
Mon Nov 9, 2009 9:20 am (PST)



I had my 4 amalgams removed last November by IAOMT dentist( oxygen & dam
used).... and was happy that they were finally out!
I didnt chelate or do anything new( other than follow my GFCFSF diet and
supplement MB12, EFA's, Zinc, probiotics).

I started to feel just bad about January of this year. I started getting sinus
infections( wondered if MB12 kicked up yeast??) and then feeling fatigued and
just generally yucky almost all the time.
I checked into my hormones because I really feel bad 10 days before my menstrual
cycle and get so tired, nauseated, major cramps and back aches.... hormones seem
ok, but have I have adrenal fatigue. My DHEA is really low.
My doc has put me on a Adrenal support and SAMe for depression....

Anyway, could my decline in general health be due to the Amalgam Removal???

I have a son with autism and believe I am pretty toxic( fertility problems,
multiple miscarriages) and am planning on chelating myself soon....
Just hoping this will all go away if I chelate myself.... I am tired of feeling
this way!

thanks for any thoughts,
denise


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I am totally confused as to what is happening in our family.  I have an
older daughter who was severely low on b12...lost lots and lots of weight....she
is grown up and on her own...  Another daughter and I are having some really
weird issues and the dr doesn't have a clue as to what is goin on.

We have major pain in arm and shoulder muscles...sometimes ribs or spine.  It
goes down the arm to the fingers.   Now it is goin up the neck and hurts in ears
and mouth.   We are gf/cf/nut and most legum free.  I am wondering if it could
be a thiamin issue...but if it is how do I balance riboflavin....one other
daughter is showing these same signs...but she is also low in b6.  Any ideas to
help here????  The dr has no clue at all.

Thanks
Ronni

Reduce the dose and raise your magnesium (I see it's very low, just 150 mgs???) 
The recommendation is for 400 mgs per day in divided doses.  I would also
continue with the Epsom salt baths.  Get the mag in place for a week, decrease
dose to 2.5 mgs. Is the head banging a new symptom or something he has ever done
before?


Rebecca



   --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "nehirshberg" <hirshberg3@...> wrote:
   >
   > Hello -
   >
   > We are using ALA to chelate our 3.5 yo son, Sean(40 lbs). We just finished
Round 2, and want to make sure that we are using the correct protocol for him.
He's been on the GFCF diet(and egg, peanut, soy, and dairy free)for about 6
months.
   >
   > We start chelation on Friday afternoons and go until Monday morning, using 5
mg of ALA every 3 hrs. We give epsom salt baths every "on" day, and almost every
"off" day.
   >
   > We are supplementing:
   > Zinc 60 mg (in 2-3 doses)
   > Vit C 1000 mg (2 doses)
   > Calcium w/Mag Citrate 150 mg
   > Biotin 20-25 mg (4-5 doses)
   > Milk Thistle 250-350 mg (2-3 doses)
   > No-Fenol (as needed)
   > Probiotics 30 billion cells(2 doses- wakeup and bedtime)
   >
   > Adding Vit E and Selenium (one at a time) over the next few weeks.
   >
   > During Round 1, he was Sean x3 - more stimming and more agressive, but was
lucid at times and retained the little speech he does have. The first off day
was horrible. Lots of crying, stimming and head banging - lasted off and on for
5 hours. The rest of the week went fine and he even seemed to branch out with
his food choices.
   >
   > Same reaction on Round 2 (except a lot more lucid and some solid BMs=)).
Today was the first off day this round - he did well all day until 4 pm, and
then he had a meltdown and was banging his head like crazy.
   >
   > We gave him an epsom salt bath, and he is now calm.
   >
   > Is this reaction what should be expected from a proper dose schedule?
   > Both the first and second round were a 5 mg dose (1/8th mg per lb).
   > Should we reduce/increase dosage? To what?
   >
   > Though I am confident that we are on the right path for Sean, I could use
some reassurance (especially in times like these when he wants to bang his head
on the floor).
   >
   > Thank you so much,
   >
   > Nicole H.
   >




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There is a yahoo group for mito and autism
 
Meta-mito-autism@yahoogroups.com

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Pamela H <phaselow@...> wrote:


From: Pamela H <phaselow@...>
Subject: [Autism-Mercury] Autism/Mitochondrial Disorders
To: Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 2:31 AM


 



Hi everyone,

I have a friend who sadly now has two children with diagnosed mitochondrial
disorders and Autism. Her oldest is obviously impaired but her youngest today
just started showing mito symptoms (bilateral calf pain/unable to walk) and I
think has Aspergers. Youngest is a girl about age 9. She did not recently get a
flu shot and was not ill prior to this episode.

Can I get some info on treating mito disorders? A link or two? She is not a
biomed mom but would be willing to listen and likely to act if given reasonable
info (please no sites that link Bush to Hitler or Big Pharma to mind control).
:)

Thanks so much! She is a really special woman and I'd love to help her. Take a
look at the work she does:

http://www.goodfrie ndinc.com

Pam








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Hello to all.



I want to learn if i can use the Solgars productions(vitamins and minerals
including ALA) for my GFCF son.Thanks

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Hi Nicole,
Head banging makes me insane.  I can take all my son's other behaviors, but head
banging makes me want to curl up in a corner in the fetal postion.  :P  That
said, head banging is a yeast sign for us.  We had it controllable until we
started chelating, and chelating is kicking up yeast like mad for us.  Now it's
harder to control, he is headbanging more frequently, and I'm giving him 3
different things to control it. Just about the time I get yeast back under
control, it's time to start the next round.
I'm trying to relax about it and remember that with chelation, eventually yeast
will stop being a problem (at least I HOPE so).  So if I have to put up with
extra headbanging now it's for the long term good.  I want to eventually never
see headbanging again.
You're doing great.  Hang in there.
Melanie
(currently on round 9 A.C. protocol with my son)

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "nehirshberg" <hirshberg3@...> wrote:
>
> Hello -
>
> We are using ALA to chelate our 3.5 yo son, Sean(40 lbs).  We just finished
Round 2, and want to make sure that we are using the correct protocol for him.
He's been on the GFCF diet(and egg, peanut, soy, and dairy free)for about 6
months.
>
> We start chelation on Friday afternoons and go until Monday morning, using 5
mg of ALA every 3 hrs. We give epsom salt baths every "on" day, and almost every
"off" day.
>
> We are supplementing:
> Zinc 60 mg (in 2-3 doses)
> Vit C 1000 mg (2 doses)
> Calcium w/Mag Citrate 150 mg
> Biotin 20-25 mg (4-5 doses)
> Milk Thistle 250-350 mg (2-3 doses)
> No-Fenol (as needed)
> Probiotics 30 billion cells(2 doses- wakeup and bedtime)
>
> Adding Vit E and Selenium (one at a time) over the next few weeks.
>
> During Round 1, he was Sean x3 - more stimming and more agressive, but was
lucid at times and retained the little speech he does have. The first off day
was horrible. Lots of crying, stimming and head banging - lasted off and on for
5 hours.  The rest of the week went fine and he even seemed to branch out with
his food choices.
>
> Same reaction on Round 2 (except a lot more lucid and some solid BMs=)). Today
was the first off day this round - he did well all day until 4 pm, and then he
had a meltdown and was banging his head like crazy.
>
> We gave him an epsom salt bath, and he is now calm.
>
> Is this reaction what should be expected from a proper dose schedule?
> Both the first and second round were a 5 mg dose (1/8th mg per lb).
> Should we reduce/increase dosage? To what?
>
> Though I am confident that we are on the right path for Sean, I could use some
reassurance (especially in times like these when he wants to bang his head on
the floor).
>
> Thank you so much,
>
> Nicole H.
>

Hi everyone,

I have a friend who sadly now has two children with diagnosed mitochondrial
disorders and Autism.  Her oldest is obviously impaired but her youngest today
just started showing mito symptoms (bilateral calf pain/unable to walk) and I
think has Aspergers.  Youngest is a girl about age 9.  She did not recently get
a flu shot and was not ill prior to this episode.

Can I get some info on treating mito disorders?  A link or two?  She is not a
biomed mom but would be willing to listen and likely to act if given reasonable
info (please no sites that link Bush to Hitler or Big Pharma to mind control). 
:)

Thanks so much!  She is a really special woman and I'd love to help her.  Take a
look at the work she does:

http://www.goodfriendinc.com

Pam

B2 is said to help with dry eyes, worth a try.


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: osamuyi05
   To: Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 2:39 PM
   Subject: [Autism-Mercury] Dryness around the tear pore.



   My son has developed a dryness around the tear pore on his left eye, it seems
like something toxic leaking out. Please does anyone have an advice.





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Hello -

We are using ALA to chelate our 3.5 yo son, Sean(40 lbs).  We just finished
Round 2, and want to make sure that we are using the correct protocol for him.
He's been on the GFCF diet(and egg, peanut, soy, and dairy free)for about 6
months.

We start chelation on Friday afternoons and go until Monday morning, using 5 mg
of ALA every 3 hrs. We give epsom salt baths every "on" day, and almost every
"off" day.

We are supplementing:
Zinc 60 mg (in 2-3 doses)
Vit C 1000 mg (2 doses)
Calcium w/Mag Citrate 150 mg
Biotin 20-25 mg (4-5 doses)
Milk Thistle 250-350 mg (2-3 doses)
No-Fenol (as needed)
Probiotics 30 billion cells(2 doses- wakeup and bedtime)

Adding Vit E and Selenium (one at a time) over the next few weeks.

During Round 1, he was Sean x3 - more stimming and more agressive, but was lucid
at times and retained the little speech he does have. The first off day was
horrible. Lots of crying, stimming and head banging - lasted off and on for 5
hours.  The rest of the week went fine and he even seemed to branch out with his
food choices.

Same reaction on Round 2 (except a lot more lucid and some solid BMs=)). Today
was the first off day this round - he did well all day until 4 pm, and then he
had a meltdown and was banging his head like crazy.

We gave him an epsom salt bath, and he is now calm.

Is this reaction what should be expected from a proper dose schedule?
Both the first and second round were a 5 mg dose (1/8th mg per lb).
Should we reduce/increase dosage? To what?

Though I am confident that we are on the right path for Sean, I could use some
reassurance (especially in times like these when he wants to bang his head on
the floor).

Thank you so much,

Nicole H.

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, laila aziz <lailamalik2n1@...> wrote:
>
> Each case is unique.So how much ur son will progress will depend on him.It
seems like he does not take unnecessary meds like for adhd or controlling temper
anything onging for years..................so it sounds pretty positive.Ive
heard a lot of kids recover at 14 and after too.And just a thought some kids
recover completely .....ie they need no more support,some have managed  recover
ie they might need mb12 once a month always or need enzymes for certain foods or
need probiotics or are a little irritible around same time every
year.....allergies in fall etc,or certain situation still a little nervous etc.
> A few kids can succeed at school but have difficuties in understanding certain
math or science class and need extra tutoring ...also have some fine motor
difficulties etc
> And some kids just dont always understand a joke.

I don't call any of the above recovered.  I call it 'in remission' or
'improved.'  The recovered kids are totally normal without dietary restrictions
or supplements.

> Very few show no progress.most of  our kids can become independent and live
life to the fullest.........best of their ability.
>
> I hope we can pray and try every resource there is available and
scientifically proven to help until we find something that help our little or
big ones
>
> Think positive and begin this journey with hope
> hugs
> laila
>

Personally I don't think the antibiotics are relevant except as an indicator
that there was earlier mercury induced immune dysfunction so that the child in
question couldn't get rid of pathogens that didn't bother the other kids.

Andy

<a href="http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html">Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and
Treatment</a >

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Finding Hidden Toxicities</a >

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Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children</a >

<a href="http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html">Biological
Treatments for Autism and PDD</a >

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "jtmk98.535597" <lysva29798-dnttrst@...>
wrote:
>
> When I asked about blood tests, I wasn't referring to having them done as an
assessment of heavy metal toxicity (I know hair is the preferred way), but
whether they are necessary during chelation to assess possible damage being
done.

Only if you're doing dangerous, harmful and inappropriate things like following
one of the random chelation protocols that various doctors interpret as the
"DAN! protocol."

>I've seen people mention getting RBC, etc, measured.  That's what I was wanting
to know about - are those blood tests necessary if you follow Andy's list of
supplements to use?  When we get our hair tests done, I will post them here
before we start chelating.  I'm just really hoping we can safely do all this
without messing with a Dr. at all.
> Thanks,
> Teresa

Tests are necessary when medically indicated to figure out what is wrong when
something bad is happening and the doctor can't be sure what it is based on
symptoms.

For chelation itself, done properly, there is no specific need for tracking
tests or other routine testing as a general rule.  There may be RARE specific
and individual instances where it makes some sense.  RARE as in if the doctor
says you need to do it, you should be the only one in their practice.

Andy

<a href="http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html">Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and
Treatment</a >

<a href="http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html">Hair Test Interpretation:
Finding Hidden Toxicities</a >

<a href="http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html">Nourishing Hope for
Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children</a >

<a href="http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html">Biological
Treatments for Autism and PDD</a >

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "Andree" <mam78@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "Andree" <mam78@> wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm just looking for facts about treatments that work, why & in
> > what circumstances.
>
> Obviously, I'd love to hear Andy's views about this eventually, if & when the
story proves itself.

If you do any random thing with chelators to enough people someone will appear
to do well on it.

This is not a reason to try whatever protocol it is.

An example reducing this to absurdity is a news story I remember maybe 21 or 2
years ago about a guy who was diagnosed with brain cancer and the doctors sent
him home to die because they felt it was inoperable due to its location.

After a while he decided he didn't want to go through all the suffering and shot
himself in the head.

He was taken to the hospital where he recovered completely and it turned out the
bullet had blown the tumor completely out of his brain so his cancer was also
cured!

Aside from raising questions about whether God likes to make fun of surgeons,
this kind of thing illustrates my point. Here is a man cured of terminal brain
cancer by shooting himself in the head.  This does NOT mean that shooting
yourself in the head is a preferred treatment for brain cancer!

> OK I'll shut up about this story now & get back to another AC chelation
weekend!
>

This is what makes sense - pick the option that gives you the best odds.  Not
the one where you have read the most recent success story.

Andy

<a href="http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html">Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and
Treatment</a >

<a href="http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html">Hair Test Interpretation:
Finding Hidden Toxicities</a >

<a href="http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html">Nourishing Hope for
Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children</a >

<a href="http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html">Biological
Treatments for Autism and PDD</a >

HI Iveta,
For us, too much viral or bacterial die-off causes lots of mucous (yeast?) in
the respiratory tract, esp sinuses and throat and would lead to a persistent
cough.  I found that candida remedies like GSE and caprylic helped, as well as
SPS30 which is a mucolytic enzyme.  But adding more anti-virals like elderberry
and monolaurin and anti-microbials would make it worse.
Hope he feels better soon,
PJ


--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "lucy4gets" <lucy2max@...> wrote:
>
> my little guy is coughing and all of the things I have been giving him hasn't
helped to prevent a virus or make it go away.I have been using, before the cold
broke out- IGg 200, 1-2 pills a day and lots of vit C. Then when coughing
started I gave monolaurin and elderberry. 2 days of those now and no
improvements.
>
> Will using Olive leaf extract or epicor work?
>
> how are these used? are they for short term? long term maintenance?
>
> Do I start slowly? I would like to try OLE first...or do both?
>
> I am wondering if using IGg200 (a colostrum) started his illness..is it
possible it could bring a virus out? and is this good or bad if it does this?
>
> or did I just not give enough IGg2000 to prevent a virus?
>
> thank you,
> Iveta
>

Hi,

We've used PhosChol liquid which also tastes horrible.  In the words of the
doctor, it's like "rocket fuel."  So far the smallest substitute I've found is
Jarrow's PS100 which is phos chol + phos serine and is a medium gelcap but still
not ideal for a kid.

PJ

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, Amy Hamilton <amyoamyo@...> wrote:
>
> I bought it and it is the worst tasting thing ever.  I really can't
> descibe the taste.  I think the pills work the same, but my son can't
> swallow pills yet.  I can send you our VERY expensive not even one
> dose used bottle.  My son will take a lot of things that I can
> believe, but there is no way he will take that one :)
>
> On 11/8/09, Catherine <ckrupa3672@...> wrote:
> > I was reading something from Kelly Dorfman about dypraxia and she
> > recommended a phophatidylcholine (PC) by Xymogen.  You can't purchase this
> > on the internet though - it's only available through practitioners.  I was
> > wondering if anyone has had success with this product?
> >
> > Cathy
> >
> >
>
> --
> Sent from my mobile device
>

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "bezorgdemama2002" <ann.vanpeteghem@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I received some time ago the oxidative stress test results from the french
labo Philippe August. Neurotransmitters are not yet okay but I suspected as
much.
> Quite increased dopamine, mean noradrenergic activity and increased
sertoninergic activity. Last one always has been a problem but what worries me
most of all is the following :
>
> kynurenate  0,08   ref range < 0,4
> quinolinate 1,81   ref range < 2
>
> seems to to be normal BUT
>
> ratio Qino/Kynu : 22,09   ref range : 1-5
>
> If these modulators are within range why is the ratio Qino/Kynu totally out of
range ?  Presence of mercury (levels not detectable in toxic elements urine),
there was little excretion of lead and other lesser known metals.


I don't think there is any meaning to be extracted from the information above.

> Am I missing something here, I am chelating with DMPS

I hope you are doing this properly!  Every 8 hours (or more often) by mouth or
transdermally.  No shots or suppositories.

>and will start OSR soon.

Don't do this.  At least not if you really want him to get well.

> He has serious cradle cap on the head, low muscle tone (can not lift a full
coffee pot (stainless steel)from
> the table with right hand. I was thinking about viral issues, already gave him
Monolaurin, LDM in the past, always wanted to try VALTREX but my DAN says he is
no viral kid and I need a prescription for this,

Lots of other doctors have prescription pads.

>did however react good to Virastop.
>
> I really searched the internet high and low but I don't seem to be able to
find the solution, seems very complicated.
>
> Perhaps there are some people here on the list who have an idea what this
means, I would be very gratefull it they could answer this one.
> It would mean a lot to me.
>
> Thanks from a quite desperate Belgian mother !

Yes, desperation is natural when you suddenly realize you have to play doctor
with your kid because the regular doctors don't feel like helping.

However don't make the mistake of thinking a piece of paper from the laboratory
necessarily has useful information on it.  Often it does not.  The question is
which is the RIGHT piece of paper to get (e. g. a DDI hair test) or which are
the right symptoms to pay attention to.

Andy

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Treatment</a >

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Finding Hidden Toxicities</a >

<a href="http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html">Nourishing Hope for
Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children</a >

<a href="http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html">Biological
Treatments for Autism and PDD</a >

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "bezorgdemama2002" <ann.vanpeteghem@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I received some time ago the oxidative stress test results from the french
labo Philippe August. Neurotransmitters are not yet okay but I suspected as
much.
> Quite increased dopamine, mean noradrenergic activity and increased
sertoninergic activity. Last one always has been a problem but what worries me
most of all is the following :
>
> kynurenate  0,08   ref range < 0,4
> quinolinate 1,81   ref range < 2
>
> seems to to be normal BUT
>
> ratio Qino/Kynu : 22,09   ref range : 1-5
>
> If these modulators are within range why is the ratio Qino/Kynu totally out of
range ?  Presence of mercury (levels not detectable in toxic elements urine),
there was little excretion of lead and other lesser known metals.


I don't think there is any meaning to be extracted from the information above.

> Am I missing something here, I am chelating with DMPS

I hope you are doing this properly!  Every 8 hours (or more often) by mouth or
transdermally.  No shots or suppositories.

>and will start OSR soon.

Don't do this.  At least not if you really want him to get well.

> He has serious cradle cap on the head, low muscle tone (can not lift a full
coffee pot (stainless steel)from
> the table with right hand. I was thinking about viral issues, already gave him
Monolaurin, LDM in the past, always wanted to try VALTREX but my DAN says he is
no viral kid and I need a prescription for this,

Lots of other doctors have prescription pads.

>did however react good to Virastop.
>
> I really searched the internet high and low but I don't seem to be able to
find the solution, seems very complicated.
>
> Perhaps there are some people here on the list who have an idea what this
means, I would be very gratefull it they could answer this one.
> It would mean a lot to me.
>
> Thanks from a quite desperate Belgian mother !

Yes, desperation is natural when you suddenly realize you have to play doctor
with your kid because the regular doctors don't feel like helping.

However don't make the mistake of thinking a piece of paper from the laboratory
necessarily has useful information on it.  Often it does not.  The question is
which is the RIGHT piece of paper to get (e. g. a DDI hair test) or which are
the right symptoms to pay attention to.

Andy

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Treatment</a >

<a href="http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html">Hair Test Interpretation:
Finding Hidden Toxicities</a >

<a href="http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html">Nourishing Hope for
Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children</a >

<a href="http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html">Biological
Treatments for Autism and PDD</a >

> haven't heard of any Buttar recovery stories on this list,

My impression is there are some, but few and far between and are 'recoveries' in
the MD sense of the kid is no longer QUITE messed up enough to qualify for the
autism diagnosis checklist but is far from normal.

> but I  got the
> impression people who did chelation other than Cutler got discouraged  from
> posting here about their experience.

Honestly there is probably some truth in this.

Issues of perceived acceptance aside, those who think what they are doing is
working tend not to go seeking other input on what to do.  People for whom it is
going well thus would be underrepresented in those showing up on the list.

I make whatever efforts I can to correct for these kinds of systematic biases,
and still believe there are few real success stories.
>
> >>No......... but they usually come here when things go wrong.

The typical discussions by these people were quite interesting and informative.

THEY said that 100% of the kids on the Buttar protocol who responded at all got
worse at first, with maybe half of them starting to show some improvement in
about 6 months, and the other half never improving.

These same people all uniformly reported that immediately on switching from
every other day application to every 8 hour application their kid immediately
stopped the worsening and started improving.

> I am  on
> other lists where they use different protocols including a while back Buttar
> daily EDTA/DMSA IV push till the kids veins fall apart............gives me
> nightmares

Yes, there are many physicians with totally random protocols proclaimed to be
the ONE and ONLY way to do it..... and totally safe....... kinda like the
pediatricians with their vaccines!

People who actually want their kids to be healthy need to take a certain amount
of responsibility for understanding health care issues since due to brainwashing
and cognitively induced brain damage almost no physicians are able to do this
nowadays.

One consideration is that your kid simply should not receive any mercury at all
via health care, no matter what excuse is given.

Another is that 'mercury free' vaccines are far from safe.

Another is that if your kid DID get filled up with mercury, you need to
understand how to chelate it properly since physicians apparently are no longer
capable of figuring this out (even though their textbooks tell them how) - all
you have to do is give an actual chelator more or less once every half life.

> Mandi x
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Andy

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What is the treatment protocol?  My dd is very OCD and I like OLE for other
antivral antibcterial purposes...
debra

-----Original Message-----
From: mosaictm <sunshine369@...>
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 5:04 PM
To: Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com <Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Autism-Mercury] Re: PANDAS

Strep is a bacteria. By using OLE as recommended for strep/PANDAS my son no
longer has OCD symptoms either and does not have an OCD diagnosis. When we first
took him to get help, that was our number one concern - the OCD. One time he has
had a slight flare of OCD type behaviors, and I believe he was exposed to strep
and we retreated with OLE for awhile and he was fine.

Lisa

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "diamond12345@..." <diamond12345@...>
wrote:
>
> If you had this or know of someone that has... how do you go about testing for
it or treating it?
>

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "jromkema" <jromkema@...> wrote:
>
> Please do not give that child a 600 mg dose!  That is very dangerous.
>
> If you have only done three chelation doses, you may see nothing much for
awhile.  Remmber, this is a marathon, not a sprint.
>
> Barb
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: K
>   To: Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 7:20 PM
>   Subject: [Autism-Mercury] toxic metal after first day of chelation
>
>
>
>   We took our son's urine sample after the first three chelation doses
>   (each 25 mg capsules, 4 hour spacing) for testing. We have just
>   received the results and all heavy metals show within the reference
>   range with only lead being slightly elevated. Our doctor recommended a
>   challenge test with a 600 mg dose

Why are you seeing a doctor who doesn't know what she is doing?

Challenge tests are useless diagnostically and carry great risk.

The results you are getting are as expected for chelating a toxic kid.

Don't you remember that your kid got turned autistic in the first place by a
doctor who didn't know what they were doing?  There are still plenty of bad
things that doctors can do to him.

>and she showed me the results of
>   patients with hair and poryphrins results. In the tests she showed, all
>   of the metals were significantly elevated. What does 'within reference
>   range' mean?

That if you stop people on the street (or more usually make all the lab techs
take the test) you get such results.  This is far less meaningful than you
think.  Urine is not the target organ of these toxins and urine is not a sample
representative of what is in the brain.

>Is it a good thing or a bad thing?

It is totally irrelevant and a real doctor would know this.

> Should we try a greater dose?

There is no reason to do this.

>He is about 42 lbs. Should we do a 24 sample of urine
>   rather than a random sample? What is your experience?


That you are going to hurt your kid a lot by confusing yourself instead of
talking to people who know what they are doing.

A urine test, challenged or unchallenged, very seldom contains any relevant
information.  Most of the time no conclusions can be drawn at all from the
results.  Forget about it.  It doesn't mean anything.  Just stick with what you
are doing - chelating properly.

>I have uploaded
>   a file to the files section:File
>   <http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/kMb0SikI-bkdSYfGSQODT-MOpLGxg7P_S4Wdu51u4a\
>   eBwBPBjhlaia2MVagUqCYI3MZj-pjeOY2xDHIr4OIrCLMI2hZDIHu_/Kuba%27s%20tests/\
>   U091028-2501-1.PDF> .
>   Thank you for all your input.
>   Kasia
>

Andy

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Finding Hidden Toxicities</a >

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thanks for your responses Pam and Andy.

I am so happy to hear from Pam that this is how someone else felt.... I was
beginning to think I was losing it.  My husband, although on board with most
biomedical treatments, thinks I 'messed myself up" by doing things.  He means
well, but I know that I 'began' something that is going in the right direction
towards better health, but did not do all the was necessary to it.

I guess I didnt put the amalgam removal + chelation together enough... even the
dentist is not versed in chelation and no one mentioned it.

Here I thought I was being proactive by having them removed.... never thinking
it could make me feel worse.

Interestingly enough, I mentioned this 'slide' for me to my son's DAN, and the
DAN doc didnt think the amalgam removal would be connected to me feeling
worse....
but it makes so much sense.

I do have your book, Andy... but got it about 6 months after removing my
amalgams....ughhh.

I did a 24 hr saliva test about 2 yrs ago whiched showed adrenal fatigue- with a
see saw cortisol pattern( crashing at 6pm and back up at 9pm- yuck!).  At the
time, it was a year after my son's birth and we didnt even know about autism or
biomed yet.

I just did another saliva hormone test- 12 readings over course of full
month/cycle... and it showed the low DHEA/adrenal stress again.  It seemed to
put the other hormones in normal range.

I was given an adrenal support called Adrenvive by Ortho Molecular.... doc felt
this would be better than direct DHEA...??

Doc is worried to have me start chelating before me feeling better- she worries
about my getting even more depressed...
Plan was to start with oral DMSA( I plan to do Cutler protocol) and then I was
going to add in ALA... after waiting a few rounds.

I am anxious because I cannot take much more of this.

I eat very well.... whole foods, mostly organic and have removed most
allergens... pretty low sugar, no junk or processed stuff.  Trienza enzymes help
me too.

Pam, at least you have given me hope this will get better.
Did you start on 5mgs of DHEA or work up to it??

denise

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "Pamela H" <phaselow@...> wrote:
>
>
> Ah, Denise.
>
> Insert my name and put the post back to 2005 and this was me.  I had my
amalgams removed but didn't chelate. I focused on my child instead of myself and
crashed about 4-6 months after amalgam removal.
>
> Chelation has helped, along with addressing hormone and adrenal issues.  All
my hormones were low and SHBG was elevated.  DHEA-S helped me immensely for a
period of time (5mgs/day).  Progesterone cream, too.  Diet revisions are crucial
to my adrenal health but I haven't gotten a solid handle on that one yet (sugar
is my crutch).
>
> Were your hormone levels checked in blood or saliva?  Did you have a 24 hr
cortisol (saliva) run?  How did it look?  I guess I'm wondering where you got
the dx of adrenal fatigue.
>
> So, absolutely this is related to amalgam removal.  If you do nothing you will
slowly improve back to a baseline that might be better then how you felt with
amalgams in place... but chelation will be the best guarantee of real recovery
and long term health.
>
> do you plan on using DMSA?  ALA?  I use both, actually.  25 mgs each; every
3-4 hours for 72 hours.  I suppose you know this already since you have a
spectrum child (me, too).
>
> Get started!
>
> Pam
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "dmuiter" <dmuiter@> wrote:
> >
> > I had my 4 amalgams removed last November by IAOMT dentist( oxygen & dam
used).... and was happy that they were finally out!
> > I didnt chelate or do anything new( other than follow my GFCFSF diet and
supplement MB12, EFA's, Zinc, probiotics).
> >
> > I started to feel just bad about January of this year.  I started getting
sinus infections( wondered if MB12 kicked up yeast??) and then feeling fatigued
and just generally yucky almost all the time.
> > I checked into my hormones because I really feel bad 10 days before my
menstrual cycle and get so tired, nauseated, major cramps and back aches.... 
hormones seem ok, but have I have adrenal fatigue.  My DHEA is really low.
> > My doc has put me on a Adrenal support and SAMe for depression....
> >
> > Anyway, could my decline in general health be due to the Amalgam Removal???
> >
> > I have a son with autism and believe I am pretty toxic( fertility problems,
multiple miscarriages) and am planning on chelating myself soon....
> > Just hoping this will all go away if I chelate myself.... I am tired of
feeling this way!
> >
> > thanks for any thoughts,
> > denise
> >
>

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "John and Teraza Real" <jtreal@...>
wrote:
>
> Iveta
>
>
>
> I am going to speak on the Celiac here, but I am sure Dana can add in her
> thoughts as well.  From what I gather most Celiacs is an autoimmune
> condition, caused by the trigger of a gene. For example I have the celiac
> gene, its called DQ2 (there is another called DQ8),

These are not celiac genes.  These are unrelated genes in the immune system that
some quacks (mainstream ones) claim rule in or out a diagnosis of celiac disease
regardless of biopsy results or intolerance level.  Thus there is a religious
debate among doctors as to whether the large number of people with gluten
intolerance and celiac like biopsy results who don't have DQ 2 or 8 have "celiac
disease" or do NOT have "celiac disease," but instead have "gluten intolerance."

The actual gene supposedly causing celiac is yet to be identified.

>now 30% of people have
> DQ2, but only 1% have celiac. so something had to trigger the gene to cause
> the reaction to gluten.

Yes, this logic works even though the gene you're talking about is of marginal
relevance at best.

>What could that be? Pregnancy, operations,

no.

> vaccinations,

Yes,

>toxins,

mercury only.  Usually from health care exposure.

>etc. Now, I have thought about it, if I chelated maybe
> I can go back to gluten.. if I get rid of all the metals.. but I am not so
> sure..

I'm not sure either.

>I think it would take a lot of chelation and something else to turn
> that gene off. Not sure what it would be..

If heavy metals turned it on, chelating them will turn it off.

What is less clear to me is how long it will take your immune system to 'forget'
it is sensitive to gluten, even if the sensitization event was inappropriate.

There are wildly varying levels of sensitivity, those who can tolerate very
small amounts probably are fine with enzymes only.  A lot won't be fine with
that.  It is really a practical decision that needs to be made on an individual
basis, not based on some inflammatory relgious or political debate about whether
enzymes or "THE DIET" are good, bad, moral, a sign of good parenting, whatever.

Andy

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is the chicory concern related to inulin?  We are kind of at our wits end for
liver support becuase most supplements are too high in oxalate value.  Chicory
is also high, but much lower than milk thistle and doesnt seem to cause the same
issues.  sigh

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "eli8591" <eli8591@...> wrote:
>
> total side note - there is a caution with chicory that I don't recall this
moment - related to the same ideas as dandelion, I think (applies to us, at
least)...
> milk thistle...self-heal (prunella, I think it is) is an alternative, that we
like - would note, however, that we pretty much use it topically, vs as a
supplement.
> We have found that extra b's & zinc help with the "terror" part of this -
going from dreamless sleep to rather vivid dreaming can be alarming. It does
seem to be the way it goes, in our experience tho, as "sleep" issues are
addressed & healed.
> elizabeth
>
>
> >
> > --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "wiersmak" <wiersmak@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Currently we're using chicory, yarrow and glutathione for liver support. 
Cant use milk thistle due to its high oxalate content.  A little bit of that
really does a number on him.  Thanks for the feedback.
> > >
> > > --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "rhondagatewood84"
<rhondagatewood84@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Possible he is breaking into a fever at night...would explain the
sweating and disrupted sleep.  Sounds like he's detoxing...thats a good thing. 
Are you supporting the liver?  I used Detox support by Kirkman's but the
N-acetyl cysteine caused yeast issues for us...so I had to drop from our
regimen.  Milk thistle supports the liver too.
> > > >
> > > > HTH,
> > > > Rhonda
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

That was very disturbing and sickening and disheartening. Walkathons all over
for ten friends to live off the suffering of others. Gag.

Shelly

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "Pamela H" <phaselow@...> wrote:
>
>
> Ah, Denise.
>
> Insert my name and put the post back to 2005 and this was me.  I had my
amalgams removed but didn't chelate. I focused on my child instead of myself

A mistake essentially all parents make due to caring so much that it impairs
their judgment.  You have to take care of yourself adequately so you can take
care of your child well.

>and crashed about 4-6 months after amalgam removal.

Like everyone does.  See figure 15 on page 52 of Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and
Treatment.  www.noamalgam.com .

> Chelation has helped, along with addressing hormone and adrenal issues.  All
my hormones were low and SHBG was elevated.  DHEA-S helped me immensely for a
period of time (5mgs/day).  Progesterone cream, too.  Diet revisions are crucial
to my adrenal health but I haven't gotten a solid handle on that one yet (sugar
is my crutch).
>
> Were your hormone levels checked in blood or saliva?  Did you have a 24 hr
cortisol (saliva) run?  How did it look?  I guess I'm wondering where you got
the dx of adrenal fatigue.
>
> So, absolutely this is related to amalgam removal.  If you do nothing you will
slowly improve back to a baseline that might be better then how you felt with
amalgams in place... but chelation will be the best guarantee of real recovery
and long term health.
>
> do you plan on using DMSA?  ALA?  I use both, actually.  25 mgs each; every
3-4 hours for 72 hours.  I suppose you know this already since you have a
spectrum child (me, too).
>
> Get started!
>
> Pam
> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "dmuiter" <dmuiter@> wrote:
> >
> > I had my 4 amalgams removed last November by IAOMT dentist( oxygen & dam
used).... and was happy that they were finally out!
> > I didnt chelate or do anything new( other than follow my GFCFSF diet and
supplement MB12, EFA's, Zinc, probiotics).
> >
> > I started to feel just bad about January of this year.  I started getting
sinus infections( wondered if MB12 kicked up yeast??) and then feeling fatigued
and just generally yucky almost all the time.
> > I checked into my hormones because I really feel bad 10 days before my
menstrual cycle and get so tired, nauseated, major cramps and back aches.... 
hormones seem ok, but have I have adrenal fatigue.  My DHEA is really low.
> > My doc has put me on a Adrenal support and SAMe for depression....
> >
> > Anyway, could my decline in general health be due to the Amalgam Removal???

Yes.  And it can be addressed with proper supplementation, such as frequent
vitamin C, zinc and magnesium and daily vitamins E and A which will promote
normal healthy mood and energy.

> > I have a son with autism and believe I am pretty toxic( fertility problems,
multiple miscarriages) and am planning on chelating myself soon....

Get on with it.

> > Just hoping this will all go away if I chelate myself....

It may well.  Only one way to find out - chelate!

>I am tired of feeling this way!

Well, be patient.  Some of it is just a question of your body's natural
timescale to do things.
> >
> > thanks for any thoughts,
> > denise
> >
>
Andy

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--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "nickoct1979" <nikunj@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Andy,
>
> This is in continuation to our conversation off-list a couple of months ago
(thread from earlier conversation also pasted below). You asked me to put the
further questions I have on this list so that you can discuss it. So here I am.
I had emailed you mu daughter's hair test results at the time but if you need to
refer to it again, they have been posted on
http://livingnetwork.co.za/chelationnetwork/hairtest/hairtest2/ (Hair Test #
311).
>
> Now my question is this. If for a minute, let's say we were to go only by the
test results

Which I think is an improper approach and never want to do, nor do I ever
encourage people to do so.

>then you don't think Mercury is an issue here?

The hair test is not strongly suggestive that it is, though the relatively LOW
mercury level is one possible indication that it might be.

>What about Lead?

That has a relatively high likelihood of being an issue.

>Are the levels high enough to require chelation?

I think so.

>And what of the total toxic load in her body?

I have no idea.  You won't either if you are overly focussed on lab tests.

> Just to give you an update on my daughter's present symptoms, she now speaks
in full-blown sentences which is a big change from having no words at 2 yrs of
age. However, she still has a lot of misarticulation. She has been receiving
mild speech therapy and supplementation with fish oils since she was 2.3 yrs of
age.

Chelate chelate chelate.

Properly, too - it is known that improper lead chelation does not improve
neurological issues.  Only proper chelation does that.

> I look forward to your response.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nikunj
>
>
> Andy's reply - It looks very normal to me.
>
> However, this is not a guarantee of anything.  It just makes it seem less
likely she has a mercury problem, but the probability is far from zero.
>
> In situations like this I usually suggest trying chelation (presuming she has
no amalgam fillings!) for at least 5 three day long cycles.  If absolutely
nothing happens then it seems very unlikely she has problems with mercury or
other heavy metals.  In that case it is time to consider what else to try.
>
> If there is some other diagnosis you are getting from the regular doctors that
has an intervention that really is potentially curative it would make a lot of
sense to pursue that instead.  However most parents are in a situation where
there isn't really anything 'mainstream' to do, or at least not anything that
really makes the kid normal, so it is very important to chase down even slim
hopes, such as the chance that a child who has a normal looking hair test
actually does respond to chelation.  I've certainly heard of it happening many
times, but often the hair test is accurate and nothing happens.  Chelation is
easy and cheap enough to do that it seems wise to just try it and be completely
sure it isn't going to work, or be surprised and find out it does.
>
> Actually it is quite difficult to do more than offer generalities as above
without some further information.
>
> Probably Rebecca was encouraging you to just try chelation.  I am sure there
are many children who will never get better because their parents didn't try
chelation due to a normal hair test, or advice from a doctor that it was a silly
thing to do.
>
> Andy
> www.noamalgam.com
>
>
>
> My original email to Andy - Hi Andy,
>
> I am a member of some support groups on Yahoo such as ApraxiaDyspraxiaBioMed,
Autism-Mercury, frequent-dose-chelation, etc. I live in India. My daughter is
2.8 yrs old and speech delayed with misarticulation or phonological disorder.
Based on my research, I had a hair test done from Doctors' Data which revealed
high lead levels. However, the hair test did not meet any of your counting rules
which should mean no mercury toxicity which in turn means chelating only with
DMSA.
>
> However, when Rebecca reviewed the hair test results, she thought Mercury was
an issue too. On my doubting this, she advised me to check with you if you could
share your thoughts with me on my daughter's hair test results. I have just
ordered both your books but it will surely be most helpful to get your insight
into this first hand.
>
> I am attaching the hair test results. Would really appreciate your thoughts on
this.
>
> Thanks & regards,
>
> Nikunj
>

Hi Dana,
So you mean that lysine helped your son to fight off the virus completely. He
doesn't take it at this moment? How long did he have to take it, what dose - do
you remember? I am ordering tonight and am curious to see if my kids will
develop cold sores. (they never had symptoms but I read that upto 70% of poeple
carry the virus).
Renate




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From: danasview <danasview@...>
To: Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 2:25:50 PM
Subject: [Autism-Mercury] Re: herpes symptoms/lysine

 
--- In Autism-Mercury@ yahoogroups. com, Momlaw@... wrote:
> So what does that mean?--this just happened to my son. He took lysine to
> ward off flu and cold, and now has a painful cold sore in his mouth.

For my son, it would have meant the lysine is pulling out herpes virus. We went
thru waves of various symptoms until the virus was entirely eliminated.

Dana







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A few comments:

I use several herbs, usually in alcohol-free tincture form.  Tinctures are
liquid, and begin working in the mouth, rather than waiting for digestion.

One excellent herb is Lomatium.  It is lung-specific.  You can also get an
herbal combination of lomatium called LDM-100.  It is also anti-viral, and helps
with vaccine damage.

Another herb which is to be used with caution is Lobelia.  Lobelia is specific
for breaking up mucous. It is used only short-term.  Research this subject
before using Lobelia.  Some people think it isn't good to use.  I use it with
care, and have never had any problem.

Doing things that aid circulation in general are helpful. I've been told that I
have poor circulation, so I googled "improve circulation" and there are about a
dozen things to do to help that.  I started doing about half of them, including
one that says to alternate hot and cold water in the shower.  I do this on my
back, neck, and part of my head.  What I found was that I started coughing up
mucous.  I reason that improved circulation/oxygen was helpful to the lungs. 
I'm sure that's a "Duh".  Of course circulation and oxygen would improve the
lungs.:)

I also get regular Chiropractic/kinesiology and Acupuncture.  Both are
supportive to all systems - heart, lungs, kidneys, immune system, digestive
system, etc.

You might consider mold issues also.  If you research tobacco growing and
cigarettes, you might find that tobacco tends to be a moldy crop.

I think the alkaline information is critical.

We also have incredibly filthy air now, full of toxins nobody knows about. 
Don't know how to deal with that.  Makes me not want to go outside.  I know some
of us are worse outside than inside.

Best wishes.

judy



--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "Andree" <mam78@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know what supplements or treatments can help heal damaged lungs?
>
> I'm asking this with respect to healing healing damage from smoking (for me, I
smoked years ago) and also for my DD whose lungs I think may have been damaged
by acid reflux as a baby (she had choking episodes for months as an infant
before becoming chronically congested).
>
> I'm concerned about the flu & cold season and looking for anything that can
specifically help improve lung health.
>
> Thanks,
> Monique
>