I had the same thought that you did, Robby!
  Just saw some old WWII footage about shell-shock being seen in troops who
were in combat for 3-4 weeks.
  Adrenals are supposed to have about a 3 week reserve of adrenal hormones.
  All these meds for mental/emotional/behavioral conditions which are really
various expressions of adrenal stress, fatigue, and exhaustion. Hmm?
  ...Christina

  On 10/31/05, Kerbob <robertbloch@...> wrote:
>
> The vets got aerosolized lead, lots of heavy metals in gunpowder, scores
> of TCVs., and what not. Could shell-shock and combat fatigue have been
> nothing more than the toxic tipping point for some guys?
>


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--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "andrewhallcutler"
<AndyCutler@a...> wrote:
>
> > Here are the results from the first hair test:
> >
> > My son was pretty well supplemented at the time.....
>
> Which should make it look more normal.
> >
> > Toxic Elements
> > Mercury <.03 <.4
> > Titanium 52 < 1.0 (red)
> >
> > Essential and Other Elements
> > Copper 36 (rr 8-16) (red - over)
> > Manganese .1 (rr .20-.55) (red - under)
> > Lithium .004 (rr .007-.023) (red - under)
>
> Looks suspicious to me, espeically with also the Co a bit low - Mn
Co
> Li red low is the most common derangement seen.  Ti tends to go high
> and Hg itself be pretty low when mineral transport is deranged.
>
> > Cobalt .010 (rr .013-.035) (yellow - under)
>
> So while not meeting the counting rules it isn't very normal, and it
> does have the look and feel of Hg problems.
>
Which is why I am chelating him.

> BTW, the idea of unusual, suspicious, "look and feel," etc. is
> discussed in some detail in my book Hair Test Interpretation:
Finding
> Hidden Toxicities
>
> www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html
>
> so that you don't have some absurd yes/no response of either
poisoned
> (meets counting rules) or nothing wrong (doesn't meet them).
>
I have both of your books.  I was really primarily confused about the
copper.  I assume you think it is fine to take him low and slow with
zinc (body weight +30mgs) and molybdenum (1000-2000 mcgs) divided
into three doses?

I will post his new hair tests when I get them.

Thanks for your help.

> Andy
>

----- Original Message -----
   From: andrewhallcutler
   To: Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 1:15 AM
   Subject: [Autism-Mercury] Re: Reply on hbot to Andrew Cutler


   >   > Hey, we all need that cyber kick in the butt from Andy to make
   >   certain that
   >   > we are not doing more damage to our children!
   >
   >   >>Yes, I am trying to get people to think.
   >
   >   Does this mean we are but, heads?

   Mostly no.

   But sometimes reasonable people get sucked in by ritual and social
   pressure to going along with bad ideas - like believing that
   physicians necessarily know what they are doing.

   Andy . . . . . .

   Or by doctors or mass media members that not only fail to consider that those
not ill need not a physician, nor do they require the help of a vaccine injury
compensation fund.

   Until last night I never really considered anyone would be dumb enough to
conclude that because 97% of children don't seem to catch autism from the
vaccines laced with a serious neurotoxin that clearly this is proof of no harm.

   That would be like saying that because not everyone that took Vioxx got heart
attacks and died the drug didn't kill a hundred thousand or so people.

   Believe it or not this idea of the "no evidence of harm majority rules the
science" is largely behind the pro-mercury position on the thimerosal issue, and
medical science as a whole.

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Good for you Rene!
My ped. finally came around too (though still won't touch the actual
treatment with a ten foot pole), he did say that my son looks SO
good, he recommended to the parents of two other autistic children
in his practice to seek info. of chelation therapy. It was the
parents who were against the treatment!

And I love this "I haven't been so excited about more stress, more
expenses, and more night wakings since we had babies in the first
place."
Very funny, and sums up my current lifestyle..lol!
Tracy




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wrote:
>
> Hey All,
>
> I met with my son's ped. this morning.  I told him of our plans to
> chelate for a trial 5 rounds or so on Andy's protocol, and I gave
him
> a few studies I managed to scrape up that are somewhat relevant to
> our particular situation.  I tapped into the sceptical, safety-
first
> part of my personality enough, I think, to convince him that I am
not
> going to try anything risky.  And he basically said that since we
can
> obtain the chelators ourselves and administer the protocol
ourselves,
> his job is just to keep our son safe.  He listened.  He didn't
roll
> his eyes or make the "she's crazy" sign, at least not while I was
in
> the office.  He was wearing a Halloween costume.  What a guy!!!
>
> Thanks, Moria, Nell and Andy for giving me a context to fit the
idea
> of deranged mineral transport into.
>
> I haven't been so excited about more stress, more expenses, and
more
> night wakings since we had babies in the first place.
>
> Rene
>

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Donna,

Going to be a buttinski here, but I remember hearing some of these
things from our OT and speech therapists when Ian was a young
toddler.  They used their fingers to probe around inside Ian's mouth
(especially cheeks) and told me they were looking for an appropriate
resistance or tone to their pressure.  Perhaps that is what they
were talking about?

Pam



--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "Donna" <donna.arnold@g...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Cat,
>
>  I have a question that I have wanted to know for years, But
havent
> asked any speech therapist...I hope you dont mind me asking you.
>
> A little history about my son, He is 19 1/2 he has never spoken a
> word and is on a pureed diet because he has swallowing issues and
> will choke even on chopped foods. He has no communication skills
> except for a few primitive signs. He is also in the King Drool
club.
> Kevin does not have an Autism diagnose.
>
>
> My question that I have been wanting to know for YEARS. My son
> started with speech therapy when he was 15 months old. His
therapist
> taught me how to Desensitize his mouth with using a wash cloth.
She
> told me that his mouth was very sensitive. I am curious to know
how
> she knew this when my son had no way of telling her?  When she
first
> came over she wanted to watch me feed him, I fed him like I always
> did. Then she said she wanted to feed him, I handed her the spoon,
> she held it just inside his mouth, He wasnt scooping the food into
> his mouth, he just waited for her to scoop it off into his mouth.
I
> was doing all the work, I didnt even realize it. Is that how she
> knew his mouth was sensitive?? She also had me quit using a baby
> spoon and use the ear of a very soft latex toy to feed him. I know
I
> ask questions, But when your dealing with all the stress, you dont
> remeber 99% of what they tell you! I was told that his whole body
> was very sensitive, and I had to desensitize his body as well,
with
> the help of PT and OT. I was told that the mouth is the hardest
area
> to desensitize, Is that true? His therapist told me that if my son
> doesnt say a single word by 5 years old that he had a 95% chance
> that he would never speak, Is that also true?
>
>  I credit using the wash cloth for him never having a cavity! I
can
> not get a toothbrush in his mouth, he will just chew on it, But
all
> these years I have always used that wash cloth, and during bath
> time, He will chew on that wash cloth, even today!  19 1/2 years
> later...No Cavaties!   Im sure it has a lot to do with his diet as
> well, He never eats candy...
>
>
> I am sorry for all the questions. Just some questions that have
> been on my mind for a long time.
>
> Donna
>
>
>
>
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: Cathleen
> >   To: Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 12:39 PM
> >   Subject: [Autism-Mercury] Re: ?apraxia
> >
> >
> >   Gina,
> >
> >   A diagnosis of apraxia (DAS, developmental apraxia of speech)
is
> absolutely
> >   not a sure indicator of autism.  Apraxia is difficulty
> voluntarily
> >   programming and sequencing motor movements, and so like autism
> is
> >   neurological.  Also like autism, DAS manifests itself in all
> different ways,
> >   and so there is a large variance among DAS.  And it is very
> common for DAS
> >   to co-occur with other conditions, particularly neurological
> ones.  A Dx of
> >   apraxia is essentially diagnosing an insult/damage to the
> brain.  It is a
> >   speech MOTOR disorder, whereas autism is primarily a
> communicative disorder
> >   that can include delayed speech and both motor and sensory
> impairment.  So
> >   while it is possible that autism and DAS could co-occur, it
> should not be
> >   assumed that where one lies, so does the other.  My view is
from
> the speech
> >   therapy perspective, and I can say I would treat a Dx of DAS
> extremely
> >   differently than a Dx of autism.  However, I confess that I
have
> never
> >   treated someone with a Dx of both.  At least not that I know
of!
> >
> >   Hope that helps, and is not too textbook-y for you.
> >
> >   Cat
> >
> >
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> >
> >   IS APRAXIA A SIGN OF DX OF AUTISM
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Listmates: My son seems to be attracted to the more
animated kids (i.e. bullies). He copies the bad
behaviors. He was just in an incident where he was
acting antagonistic and he was repeatedly asked to
stop and kept ignoring the request. He pulled the kids
mask down and hit him (not hard) and was just being
annoying. My son also lies. He says he lies because he
does not want to be in trouble. My dh thinks that he
is looking for a reaction and is not empathizing. I
agree. Has anyone encountered this and dealt with this
successfully. I did 70 rounds of chelation with ALA
(Andy's protocol), Berard's method, FastForward, tons
of supplement and I just started B-12. My son started
this behavior before B-12. He misunderstands when kids
are playing or are being serious. I am at my wits end.
Thanks for any help. Vicky (he is 8 years old)




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It will be interesting to see if the autopsy results ever make it to
the press.  At this point, I thought they were backpeddling on the
vaccine reaction.  Didn't Offit even step forward to do some damage
control?  I can imagine the only way this will stay in the news is if
the mother decides to pursue a lawsuit.

Makes me ill.

Pam

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, malibu805@a... wrote:
>
> Infant dies after Vaccines
> The month-old boy, who has been in foster care since birth, had just
arrived
> about noon at an office of the state Division of Youth and Family
Services
> from a doctor's visit. He had received immunizations for hepatitis B
and polio at
> the doctor's, said DYFS spokesman Andy Williams.
> http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=237&i=3146
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

We will start TD-DMPS and later B12 shot from Hopewell pharm. It looks insurance
will not cover them. Anybody know how much they cost (per month)? Any experience
with insurance?



Thanks,



Yi



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Yay Rene!  The girls and I are going into our family practice MD next week.  
Send a little
bit of your good vibe our way.  :)

Michelle


> I haven't been so excited about more stress, more expenses, and more
> night wakings since we had babies in the first place.
>
> Rene
>

I read it was freshwater fish in north Calif, as well, from some govt
website (sorry I don't have the link).

Mark

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "andrewhallcutler"
<AndyCutler@a...> wrote:
>
> > > In the "detox class," ( www.noamalgam.com/Detox_Course_Flier.pdf ) I
> > > usually bring sushi for one of the lunches and everyone is delighted
> > > to see it then I can explain it is low sulfur, GF, CF, corn
free, high
> > > omega 3, and I can point out which ones are the methylmercury sushis
> > > and which ones are safe that way.
> >
> > Andy,
> >
> > When chelating with ALA, does a person have to be careful not to eat
> > seafood at all, or are there some that are acceptable?
>
> Most are acceptable.  No tuna, swordfish, king mackerel, or other
> known high mercury fish - which includes fresh water fish in the
> northeastern part of the US and Canada.
> >
> > Which ones are the methylmercury sushi?
>
> Ahi (tuna), the red one.
>
> > These are the ones we make:
> > - crab and avocado
> > - roasted eel
> > - smoked salmon (wild coho)
> > - shrimp and avocado
> > - oyster and green onion
> > - scallops
> > Is there some kind of sushi that we're missing?
> > I'm thinking of trying squid sushi and chicken terriyaki sushi.
>
> These are all fine.
> >
> > Linda
> >
>

Yi,
We are using oral chelators so I cannot help you out there.... but our
insurance is covering the mB12 with the $5 copay.  I would ask Hopewell what
denial code they are giving you.  They may require a letter of medical
necessity in order to cover it (I used to work for a Third Party
Administrator [TPA] and I have experience with these games.)  Do you have a
mandatory mail order program for 'maintenance medications'?  Some plans
require you to obtain maintenance drugs through their mail order program....

Anyway.... when I called Hopewell to determine what the cost would be if my
insurance would not cover them, they told me about $4-$5 per syringe and $25
to ship them over night.  If you are doing every 3 days.... this would be 10
per month and you can get 2 months filled at a time (20 syringes).....to
save on s/h.  So, 2 months would cost approximately $80 to $100 for shots
and $25 for shipping = $105 to $125 every 2 months.

HTH,
Jackie---

> We will start TD-DMPS and later B12 shot from Hopewell pharm. It looks
> insurance will not cover them. Anybody know how much they cost (per
> month)? Any experience with insurance?

Try magnesium.
Barb
----- Original Message -----
From: "rucos298" <rucos298@...>
To: <Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 1:18 PM
Subject: [Autism-Mercury] OT: Monthly Headaches


>I wonder if any of you (women) have experienced monthly pounding
> headaches - usually during ovulation - and what you do to alleviate the
> discomfort?  Thanks, Olivia
>
>
>
>
>
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Hey all,
I know we have a list of the diseases that mercury poisoning mimics (or
causes) but can we all put together just a list of symptoms????  I have SO
MANY people wanting to know this and I can't list them off the top of my
head . . . .

The chart in the Autism paper is such a help for the kiddos . . .

Barb

Oh, and welcome to the club! My son is also 25. We have been chelating with
the DMSA/ALA combination.
Barb
----- Original Message -----
From: "andrewhallcutler" <AndyCutler@...>
To: <Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 2:11 AM
Subject: [Autism-Mercury] Re: Chelation Advice


> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "mary_7846" <mary_7846@y...> wrote:
>>
>> I am the Mother of a 25 year old autistic daughter.
>>
>> Having previously performed the Kelmer challenge test on my
> daughter, which revealed
>> the presence of mercury in large quantities within her body and
> receiving little help from
>> the medical authorities, I began to remove the "body load" of
> mercury using DMSA.
>>
>> Having reduced the "body load", I am ready to embark on removing the
> mercury load from
>> her brain using DMSA in combination with ALA.
>>
>> My question is : I am planing to use one 100mg DMSA capsule with two
> 100mg ALA
>> capsules,
>
> This is a lot.  Try 50 mg ALA.  If she has been using 100 mg DMSA all
> along, stick to it, otherwise whatever she was using.
>
> After the first cycle you can decide whether to use more ALA.
>
>>every three hours for three days, then resting for four days before
> starting again.
>> Could you tell me if this is a safe level of treatment or if the
> dosages could be increased?
>
> Probably safe, individual tolerance varies widely.  I suggest starting
> lower and seeing where you get to.
>>
>> Any advice would be most welcome.
>>
>
>
>
>
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How could SI therapy make a kid worse?  My son did SI stuff through Dr.
Delacato for five years and NOTHING in that program ever made him worse.
Maybe they just did too much???

Barb
----- Original Message -----
From: "caroline ward" <drcward@...>
To: <Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Autism-Mercury]PLEASE BEWARE was OT - SENSORY


> PLEASE BEWARE AND RESEARCH THESE THERAPIES THOROUGHLY
>
> Some friends of ours actauly travelled from UK to colerado for Sensory
> integration therapy and it reversed all the gains their kid had made and
> put him down to a worse level than he had ever been before.
>
> Ironically these people heard about this treatment through some other
> firneds whose kid had made a marvellous improvement from it.
>
> I think IMO it just wasnt suitable for their kid and so it made him worse?
> what are the criteria that makes it suitable?  Are just everyone accepted
> or is their any screning process?
>
> I think this needs to be looked into alot more what are the recovery stats
> for this therapy?
>
> All the best
>
> Carrie
>
> "Setlak, Dan & Ruth" <dan-ruth-setlak@...> wrote:
> Yes - where do you live?
>
> Michelle Prinsloo <michelleprinsloo@...> wrote:Does anyone know of
> an OT who specialises in Sensory Intergration? Would appreciate any
> assistance.
>
> Many thanks
> Michelle
>
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What dose are you giving?
Barb
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 9:48 AM
Subject: [Autism-Mercury] Re: Those of you using Creatine . . .


> --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "jromkema" <jromkema@f...> wrote:
>> Since his CP is considered the mildly spastic kind, is the creatine
> going to
>> help?  His OT would love to know how to give him the "oomph" he's
> missing.
>
>
> I am using creatine to help with handwriting problems, as mentioned
> here a few weeks ago.  So far, my #1 and I are having good results
> with it.
>
> Dana
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Hey all,
You probably know that ALA is being added to vitamins etc. and many people
are ending up taking it with fillings and not understanding why they feel
nutsy. So get the word out!
Barb

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "jromkema" <jromkema@f...> wrote:
>
> Hey all,
> I know we have a list of the diseases that mercury poisoning mimics (or
> causes) but can we all put together just a list of symptoms????


- poor short term memory
- difficulty with concentration and focus
- fatigue
- depression
- irritability
- shyness
- anxiety
- slow thinking
- repetitive thoughts
- cold hands and feet
- sensitivity to light
- digestive problems
- miss important details (oops, didn't notice that this post was
addressed to Andy)
:)
Linda




   I have SO
> MANY people wanting to know this and I can't list them off the top
of my
> head . . . .
>
> The chart in the Autism paper is such a help for the kiddos . . .
>
> Barb
>

Duke University Medical Center
Date:  2005-10-27
URL:  http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/10/051026090636.htm

'Epigenetics' Means What We Eat, How We Live And Love, Alters How Our
Genes Behave

DURHAM, N.C. – A mother rat withholds nurturing licks from its pup and
elicits a brain change that impairs the pup's response to stress as an
adult, researchers in Canada found. A pregnant woman's dietary deficits
increase her offspring's risk of diabetes, stroke and heart disease later
in life, researchers in England have shown.

These startling scientific discoveries illuminate the emerging field of
epigenetics, in which single nutrients, toxins, behaviors or environmental
exposures of any sort can silence or activate a gene without altering its
genetic code in any way.

Rather, the environmental exposure triggers a chemical change in the body
or brain that mobilizes a group of molecules – called a methyl group. The
methyl group attaches to the control segment of a gene and either silences
– or alternately activates – the gene. Either way, the gene veers off its
intended course of activity.

Duke scientists describe methylation as putting gum on a light switch. The
switch isn't broken, but the gum blocks its function.

"We can no longer argue whether genes or environment has a greater impact
on our health and development, because both are inextricably linked," said
Randy Jirtle, Ph.D., a genetics researcher in Duke's Department of
Radiation Oncology and initiator of the upcoming epigenetics conference.

Co-initiator of the conference is Fred Tyson, Ph.D., at the National
Institute of Environmental Health Sciences (NIEHS). "Each nutrient, each
interaction, each experience can manifest itself through biochemical
changes that ultimately dictate gene expression, whether at birth or 40
years down the road."

Such stealth changes often occur in embryonic or fetal development, but
they set the stage for an adult's susceptibility to a host of diseases and
behavioral responses, the data suggest. Moreover, epigenetic changes – so
named because they sit on top of the gene and leave its sequence unchanged
– can also be passed down from one generation to the next, said Jirtle.

The good news is that methylation is potentially reversible, he said.
Unlike defective genes, which are damaged for life, methylated genes can
be demethylated. And, methyl tags that are knocked off can be regained via
nutrients, drugs, and enriching experiences.

The fact that gene behavior is far more malleable than once believed has
critically shifted the scientific community's course in mining the human
genome, said Jirtle. No longer are mutant genes sought as the sole cause
of disease. The dramatic rise in obesity, heart disease, diabetes and
other conditions of prosperous nations are increasingly pegged as
epigenetic in nature, and may well claim their origins in faulty embryonic
development, he said.

In one example, Jirtle showed that four common nutritional supplements –
B12, folic acid, choline and betaine from sugar beets – fed to pregnant
mice actually altered the coat colors of their offspring. One or several
of the nutrients methlyated the mouse agouti gene and gave rise to mice
with brown coats instead of yellow coats. More importantly, he said, the
supplements lowered the offspring's adult susceptibility to obesity,
diabetes and cancer as compared to the unsupplemented offspring.

"Nutrition isn't a fleeting affair," said Jirtle. "We are, quite
literally, what we eat as well as what our parents and even grandparents
ate.

"In countries like India and China, undernutrition in one generation is
followed by fat-laden fast foods the next," said Jirtle. "Children are set
up in utero to experience an environment of low nutrition and find
themselves in the land of plenty. The epigenetic software is programmed
for one scenario but encounters another, often with disastrous results."

Seismic shifts in food sources, geographic locations, chemical exposures
and even weather patterns can alter gene expression through epigenetic
changes , he said.

In Finland, researchers have linked an infant's low birth weight to the
adult prevalence of coronary heart disease, diabetes, hypertension, stroke
and even osteoporosis. David Barker's longitudinal studies have shown that
low-weight newborns are biologically different for life than their bulkier
counterparts.

Smaller infants have fewer kidney nephrons, altered metabolism, and are
more insulin resistant, said Barker, M.D., Ph.D., professor of medicine at
Oregon Health and Sciences University. These deficits reflect a fetus'
response to being undernourished, and they wire their genes to respond
differently to the environment that follows outside the womb.

"The notion that heart disease is solely about middle-aged men's behavior
is obsolete," said Barker, one of 70 speakers presenting data at the
upcoming conference. "A huge body of evidence now supports the notion that
these diseases are linked to poor fetal growth followed by adequate or
even an excess of food in childhood. While we are not doomed by our
prenatal and early nutritional exposures, they do make us more vulnerable
to disease," said Barker, whose latest results will be published in the
October 27, 2005, issue of the New England Journal of Medicine.

Nutrition is only one player in the epigenetic repertoire. Behaviors have
a direct impact on brain wiring, said Moshe Szyf, Ph.D., Professor of
Pharmacology and Therapeutics at McGill University in Montreal and a
presenter at the conference. Maternal care, for example, has long been
known to affect behavioral outcomes of children, as exemplified by orphans
who grow up neglected or impoverished. But Szyf and his collaborator
Michael Meaney at McGill University have linked maternal grooming
behaviors in rats to a specific brain change in the glucocorticoid
receptor, which controls the level of stress hormone released by the
adrenal glands. Rats that were not properly licked -- a rodent's form of
nurturing -- produce more stress hormones as adults. Syzf identified the
mechanism behind this effect as a loss of methylation in the part of the
glucocorticoid receptor gene that controls its expression.

"We're showing that it's the maternal behavior that counts, not just the
genetic baggage," he said. "Behavior can clearly affect the chemistry of
DNA."

Szyf's team was able to remethylate the glucocorticoid receptor gene by
injecting an essential amino acid, methionone, into the brains of well
nurtured rats. The scientists successfully turned the good stress
responders into less healthy stress responders, and vice versa by
injecting a different compound into the brains of poor responders.

The reversible nature of epigenetic changes has its down sides, as well.
Exposures to pesticides, toxins and synthetic compounds can methylate
genes in adulthood and give rise to a host of diseases – such as cancer
and asthma -- whose prevalence has soared in recent decades, said H. Kim
Lyerly, M.D., director of the Duke Comprehensive Cancer Center. Pesticides
encountered in utero might be dormant in the fetus, only to cause cancer
ten, 20 or 50 years later, he said.

Even the lowest detectable limits of a chemical can have dire effects on a
living organism, added William Schlesinger, Ph.D., Dean of the Nicholas
School of the Environment and Earth Sciences at Duke. Atrizine is a prime
example. Less than one part per billion of this widely used corn herbicide
de-masculinizes developing frogs or causes dual male-female genitalia. Yet
often the Environmental Protection Agency's instrumentation doesn't record
such minute levels of chemical exposure, he said.

"If Atrizine is having this effect in animals, we question its effects on
humans," said Schlesinger. "Are the current standards of exposure high
enough to protect the organisms exposed to select chemicals? Our role as
environmental scientists is to assess the potential impact of each
compound on native organisms and develop models that physician scientists
can apply to humans."

At the NIEHS, scientists have embraced epigenetics as a major frontier in
their scientific exploration of the environment, said David Schwartz,
Ph.D., the institute's director.

"Epigenetics represents a huge opportunity to study an alternative pathway
that explains why individuals respond differently to environmental cues,"
said Schwartz. "This field provides the missing link between the
environment and the development of diseases that goes beyond many of the
subtle changes in DNA that explain only a fraction of the diseases humans
develop."

Editor's Note: The original news release can be found here.
http://www.dukemednews.org/news/article.php?id=9322

This story has been adapted from a news release issued by Duke University
Medical Center.

Hi Andy,

Could you take a minute to look at my son's early bloodwork to see if
you see anything out of the ordinary?  Test done by Doctor's Data.
Any suggestions as to areas of concern as we move forward with
chelation?  Things to test again?  This dates back to early this
summer.

> Antigliadin Abs, IgA: 7 (negative reading)
> Antigliadin Abs, IgG: 54 (high positive)
>
> HOMOCYST(E)IN, SERUM/PLASMA
> Homocyst(e)ine, P/S 6.3 (rr 4.3-11.4)
>
> CBC
> WBC Count: 13 (rr 5.0-14.5)
> RBC Count: 4.07 (rr 3.7-5.0)
> Hemoglobin: 11.5 (rr 11.2-14.3)
> Hematocrit: 34.4 (rr 32.0-44.0)
> MCV: 84 (rr 75-96)
> MCH 28.2 (rr 24.0-32.0)
> MCHC 33.5 (rr 31.0-37.0)
> RDW 14.7 (rr 11.7-15.0)
> Platelets 526 (rr 140-440)
> Neutrohils 45 (rr 30-49)
> Lymphs (Absolute) 6.2 (rr 1.8-9.4)
> Monocytes (Absolute) .8 (rr .2-1.9)
> Eos (Absolute) .1 (rr 0.0-.7)
> Baso (Absolute) 0.0 (rr 0.0-0.3)
>
> COMP. METABOLIC PANEL
> Glucose, Serum 88 (rr 65-99)
> BUN 13 (rr 5-26)
> Creatine, Serum .5 (rr .5-1.5)
> BUN/Creatine ratio 26 (rr 8-27)
> Sodium, serum 136 (rr 135-148)
> Potassium, serum 4.2 (rr 3.5-5.5)
> Chloride, serum 1.1 (rr96-109)
> Carbon Dioxide, total 20 (rr 20-32)
> Calcium, serum 101 (rr 8.5-10.6)
> Protein, total, serum 7.4 (rr 6.0-8.5)
> Albumin, serum 4.4 (rr 3.5-5.5)
> Globulin, total 3.0 (rr 1.5-4.5)
> A/G ratio 1.5 (rr 1.1-2.5)
> Bilirubin, total .2 (rr .1-1.2)
> Alkaline Phosphatase, serum 164 (rr 100-400)
> AST (SGOT) 39 (rr 0-75)
> ALT (SGPT) 24 (rr 0-40)
>
> LIPID PANEL WITH LDL/HDL RATIO
> Cholesterol, total 91 (rr 100-169)
> Triglycerides 73 (rr 0-149)
> HDL Cholesterol 49 (rr 49-59)
> VLDL Cholesterol Calc 15 (rr 5-40)
> LDL Cholesterol Calc 27 (rr 0-99)
> LDL/HDL Ratio .6 (rr 0.0-3.6)
>
> Thyroxine (T4 Free) 1.31 (rr .9-1.59)
> TSH 1.694 (rr .550-7.100)
> C-Reactive Protein (1.6 (rr 0.0-4.9)
> Triiodothyronine, Free, Serum 3.5 (rr 2.4-6.7)

Thanks in advance.

Anne

Here's what I got from your reactions to my post:

if you question Andy's authority on the subject of chelation in any
way, you may be "endangering" your child's health.

And there are some such gullible parents out there who need periodic
cyber kicks in the butt from Andy so they don't stray from the "right"
path.

Okay, I get it.

Well then Andy, here's a purely "personal" request: if I ever seek your
opinion on this list in the future, give it to me without the cyber
kick in the butt. I don't like being kicked and I don't need it to help
my child.

Beti

I do thank you for the reference below. I will check it out.
Beti
--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "andrewhallcutler"
<AndyCutler@a...> wrote:
>
> You will also find the paper on concentration of mercury into
spinal
> motor neurons in rats given DMSA inappropriately to be
informative -
> it is easy to find in PubMed and I cite it in Amalgam Illness (in
the
> context of having observed exactly these effects in humans that
some
> "doctor with great expertise in detoxification therapy" got to take
> DMSA every other day).
>
> Andy . . . .
> >
> > Beti,
> >
> > The paper is entitled "Effects of 2,3-dimercapto-1-
propanesulfonic
> > acid (DMPS) on tissue and urine mercury levels following
prolonged
> > methylmercury exposure in rats" by S D Pingree, P L Simmonds and
J S
> > Woods in Toxiclogical Sciences, 2001, 61, 224-233.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > --- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "Beti" <mbdpargun@y...>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Michael, thank you for asking this valid question, attempting
to
> > > answer it, and sharing what you found about it with us.
> > > Could you write the title and the source of the report or the
link
> > > to it? Thanks a bunch.
> > > Beti
> > >
> > >
> > > ..........snip................
> > > >
> > > > Linda,
> > > >
> > > > I presume you mean that more frequent dosing causes less
> > pleasant
> > > > side effects. Yes, I was hoping for a journal article and,
since
> > > my
> > > > original message, I have found one report that indicates a
> > > > redistribution in methyl mercury exposed rats after DMPS
> > > injections.
> > > >
> > > > I would like to learn more of your experience of chelation.
Have
> > > you
> > > > reported them previously?
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> >
>

Evening primrose oil

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, Michael Ross <mross@a...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Moria,
>
> Not Andy, and sort of seing the point you are trying to make,

I think you DON'T see the point, thanks, since you are
writing to disagree.

>but I
> do think you are as you say being a little picky.

I said no such thing:
I said OTHERS might think so.  I think I'm being WAY
less than picky.  If you want me to be picky, it goes a whole
LOT past what you've seen so far.

> It's clear to me that you CAN call something a fad in the present
> because, from experience, past knowledge, and a general common
sense
> appreciation of the world, you know that something is faddish, i.e
> will become a fad when it is looked on in hindsight.

Exactly-- you think it is TEMPORARY and will fade out fast.
That is how something "becomes a fad".
Which is precisely what is not known about TD-DMPS.

If something were a fad (and is long standing),
based merely on poor taste, this would apply to DMPS-IVs,
which are about as much "not a fad" as something can get--
they are more like "standard practice".  If something
were a fad based only on "common sense" (a misnomer in
itself as you have used it), then Klinghardt's methods would
be "a fad", and sadly they are NOT.  If something were deemed
to be "a fad" based on whether it lacks real merit,
we could HOPE that the DAN mercury detox protocol were
a fad, but I do not think it is.  It's still young, but
its in a relatively young field (chelation), so it seems
unlikely to be a fad.  Again, it is more
like "the convetional approach" -- which makes it the
opposite of a fad.

Saying it is a fad means you (either enjoy misusing
the idea or) you believe you know how long it will last.
Which perhaps you and Andy believe you do.
I maintain you are incorrect unless you wish to discuss
your psychic powers to fortell the future, which is
NOT in the least technical, it is generally the opposite
direction (and I have some knowledge and respect for
what is involved, I'm not saying that lightly).
(Also, I believe psychic powers
are entirely inconsistent with Andy's personality,
and would not personally put any merit in psychic
claims, if he made any.)


> Sort of like bell-bottom jeans, a definite fad,

because it went OUT OF FAVOR swiftly and was thought
poorly of AFTERWARD.  That is UNLIKELY to happen with
TD-DMPS, since there is NOT (and is unlikely to be
any time soon!) any GENERAL CONSENSUS on chelation.
It is more like many warring camps.
Even if most people move on to something else, there
will be MANY who feel love and gratitude to TD-DMPS,
becuase it has already helped their kid.

> which some people
> still have the poor taste to wear. Or mullet hair-dos.

right, and you can think they are in "poor taste" and
they will still think it helped their kid.

>
> Calling something a fad is not so much depracatory to the item
> itself, but rather to the people who use it.

well, now that would certainly be a problem too.
Actually, after I'd sent my first post on this topic, as I
considered it, I thought that the error regarding fads
being TEMPORARY (the one I'd pointed to) really is not
the worst thing in using it.  I think "fad" is, by its
nature, unclear.  It does not lead to clarity, it leads
to confusion.  Which I think is seen in the posts (excluding
mine) about it. And the biggest reason this in this case
is that, as we are discussing, it is pejorative.
And if you are calling PEOPLE "faddish" most
are extremely unlikely to listen to you about ANYTHING.
Except for a handful, like Mandi, who apparently thinks this
is  "useful".  A large group will be already across the
road and no longer hearing you.  I'll be at the front
of that pack.

Now Andy will argue (I know, I've talked to him about it),
that the crowd is with him and just a few are over across
the street.  I don't agree, but how many are where is
not especially important to me, since I'm against insulting
people even if most of them did "respond to it", and I'm wildly
in favor of being clear.  (If I wanted to be sensational
and unclear about it I'd just say Andy is a jerk and a bully
and move on.  Instead I say he attributes motives to people,
overstates at times, and occassionally calls people
names, and that his values on this conflict with mine.)

> This is fine. One cannot fault "faddites" (don't bother to Google
> this) for living their life as they see fit. But it is fraught
with
> danger. Independent thinking, and the knowledge of WHY something
> works or is a good thing, is very important in taking
responsibility
> for your own health.

oh, give me a break.  If you don't think they've got a brain
in theirs heads, there is no point bothering, then, is there?
If they have, there is a point in not insulting people.

> >Yes, let's.  Let's try to stay out of the sensationalized
> >wording like "fad".
> >I think this usage simply weakens your points, Andy.
>
> Calling something a fad is not sensationalistic.

Of course it is.  And Andy has also EXPLICITLY said that
people are using fad as their reasoning.  That is VERY
sensationalist, and VERY inflammatory.  Anything perjoritive
you say to someone who is present is HIGHLY inflammatory.
Most perjoritives are also unclear enough to certainly
be sensationalistic.  If you'd like to have a discussion
about WHAT it is in current culture (e.g. on the news,
for instance) that is sensationalistic, I'd be up for it.
It certainly DOES, IMO, involve the (pejoritive)
meanings of language, as well as some other things like
terseness and lack of depth -- which are also intertwined
with the use of "compact" language like "fad".

> It's using a
> semantic device to issue a wake-up call:

right, something that is used to get a bigger reaction:
which is the main attribute involved in sensationalism --
which I *wish* were a fad, but is more like a deep
cultural disease at this point.

Anyway, if your point (that the insult is to the people,
rather than the trend) is as clear as you say, then that would
mean that using "fad" is (clearly) a way of calling people (bad)
names.  Which I hope you agree is not necessary or
useful.  Like all name-calling, it puts the people
doing it in a poor light.

Moria

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, Michael Ross <mross@a...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Moria,
>
> Not Andy, and sort of seing the point you are trying to make,

I think you DON'T see the point, thanks, since you are
writing to disagree.

>but I
> do think you are as you say being a little picky.

I said no such thing:
I said OTHERS might think so.  I think I'm being WAY
less than picky.  If you want me to be picky, it goes a whole
LOT past what you've seen so far.

> It's clear to me that you CAN call something a fad in the present
> because, from experience, past knowledge, and a general common
sense
> appreciation of the world, you know that something is faddish, i.e
> will become a fad when it is looked on in hindsight.

Exactly-- you think it is TEMPORARY and will fade out fast.
That is how something "becomes a fad".
Which is precisely what is not known about TD-DMPS.

If something were a fad (and is long standing),
based merely on poor taste, this would apply to DMPS-IVs,
which are about as much "not a fad" as something can get--
they are more like "standard practice".  If something
were a fad based only on "common sense" (a misnomer in
itself as you have used it), then Klinghardt's methods would
be "a fad", and sadly they are NOT.  If something were deemed
to be "a fad" based on whether it lacks real merit,
we could HOPE that the DAN mercury detox protocol were
a fad, but I do not think it is.  It's still young, but
its in a relatively young field (chelation), so it seems
unlikely to be a fad.  Again, it is more
like "the convetional approach" -- which makes it the
opposite of a fad.

Saying it is a fad means you (either enjoy misusing
the idea or) you believe you know how long it will last.
Which perhaps you and Andy believe you do.
I maintain you are incorrect unless you wish to discuss
your psychic powers to fortell the future, which is
NOT in the least technical, it is generally the opposite
direction (and I have some knowledge and respect for
what is involved, I'm not saying that lightly).
(Also, I believe psychic powers
are entirely inconsistent with Andy's personality,
and would not personally put any merit in psychic
claims, if he made any.)


> Sort of like bell-bottom jeans, a definite fad,

because it went OUT OF FAVOR swiftly and was thought
poorly of AFTERWARD.  That is UNLIKELY to happen with
TD-DMPS, since there is NOT (and is unlikely to be
any time soon!) any GENERAL CONSENSUS on chelation.
It is more like many warring camps.
Even if most people move on to something else, there
will be MANY who feel love and gratitude to TD-DMPS,
becuase it has already helped their kid.

> which some people
> still have the poor taste to wear. Or mullet hair-dos.

right, and you can think they are in "poor taste" and
they will still think it helped their kid.

>
> Calling something a fad is not so much depracatory to the item
> itself, but rather to the people who use it.

well, now that would certainly be a problem too.
Actually, after I'd sent my first post on this topic, as I
considered it, I thought that the error regarding fads
being TEMPORARY (the one I'd pointed to) really is not
the worst thing in using it.  I think "fad" is, by its
nature, unclear.  It does not lead to clarity, it leads
to confusion.  Which I think is seen in the posts (excluding
mine) about it. And the biggest reason this in this case
is that, as we are discussing, it is pejorative.
And if you are calling PEOPLE "faddish" most
are extremely unlikely to listen to you about ANYTHING.
Except for a handful, like Mandi, who apparently thinks this
is  "useful".  A large group will be already across the
road and no longer hearing you.  I'll be at the front
of that pack.

Now Andy will argue (I know, I've talked to him about it),
that the crowd is with him and just a few are over across
the street.  I don't agree, but how many are where is
not especially important to me, since I'm against insulting
people even if most of them did "respond to it", and I'm wildly
in favor of being clear.  (If I wanted to be sensational
and unclear about it I'd just say Andy is a jerk and a bully
and move on.  Instead I say he attributes motives to people,
overstates at times, and occassionally calls people
names, and that his values on this conflict with mine.)

> This is fine. One cannot fault "faddites" (don't bother to Google
> this) for living their life as they see fit. But it is fraught
with
> danger. Independent thinking, and the knowledge of WHY something
> works or is a good thing, is very important in taking
responsibility
> for your own health.

oh, give me a break.  If you don't think they've got a brain
in theirs heads, there is no point bothering, then, is there?
If they have, there is a point in not insulting people.

> >Yes, let's.  Let's try to stay out of the sensationalized
> >wording like "fad".
> >I think this usage simply weakens your points, Andy.
>
> Calling something a fad is not sensationalistic.

Of course it is.  And Andy has also EXPLICITLY said that
people are using fad as their reasoning.  That is VERY
sensationalist, and VERY inflammatory.  Anything perjoritive
you say to someone who is present is HIGHLY inflammatory.
Most perjoritives are also unclear enough to certainly
be sensationalistic.  If you'd like to have a discussion
about WHAT it is in current culture (e.g. on the news,
for instance) that is sensationalistic, I'd be up for it.
It certainly DOES, IMO, involve the (pejoritive)
meanings of language, as well as some other things like
terseness and lack of depth -- which are also intertwined
with the use of "compact" language like "fad".

> It's using a
> semantic device to issue a wake-up call:

right, something that is used to get a bigger reaction:
which is the main attribute involved in sensationalism --
which I *wish* were a fad, but is more like a deep
cultural disease at this point.

Anyway, if your point (that the insult is to the people,
rather than the trend) is as clear as you say, then that would
mean that using "fad" is (clearly) a way of calling people (bad)
names.  Which I hope you agree is not necessary or
useful.  Like all name-calling, it puts the people
doing it in a poor light.

Moria

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "Beti" <mbdpargun@y...> wrote:
> Well then Andy, here's a purely "personal" request: if I ever seek
your
> opinion on this list in the future, give it to me without the cyber
> kick in the butt. I don't like being kicked and I don't need it to
help
> my child.
>
> Beti
>


Amen.

I don't need to be called names or pushed by ANYONE.
Many salesmen can attest to this.

Moria

As far as teeth grinding this lasted over 4 months since returning to
chelation.
We have run over 3 trials taken every sup out and reintroducing every
sup back in, isolating every possibility. Logging in data in a daily
journal trying to make the right combo.

Posted many times and was told to:
Different orders different times, minerals bedtime only, increased
yeast protocol decreased yeast protocol, zinc in zinc out nighttime
zinc only, more magnesium  / less, none…. You name it.

Finally someone posted on Pantothenic acid (sp?) vitamin B5 being the
culprit of teeth grinding. So when I reintroduced back in a good
multi vitamin which included the B5, the teeth grinding issue pretty
much has been resolved.

As far the behaviors with chelation Imo the more things I have tried
to change the more complicate it became for me to isolate.
So I had just went back to the basics and have been doing well lately
taking it from there.

What we have been doin
Maintaining good diet no gut issues whatsoever.
Doing the most important antioxes, have a good yeast protocol in
place, plenty of pro B's and support with a good overall daily sup
regimen. All other stuff has been put on hold. We have had great
success in the past 4-5 rounds after coming from a regression/6 month
stall period.

I think all is going well and we need to just stay on course. To do
and maintain what we already know is right for the child.
In the past we have also stopped after a few rough rounds to give a
break and possible re mineralize.   We haven't had any gut issues
since returning to chelation so I cant say that we have had it tough.
I do know and firmly believe that because we have been GFCFDFSFSFYF
AFCF and all the other free that this had made it all the easier for
us.


Kenny V






--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, HISSPECIALTOUCH@A... wrote:
>
> I just finished round 2 of chelation.   Chris age 7 and 80 lbs  has
started
> grinding his teeth.  He is taking 100 mg of zinc... so I don't
think he is
> lacking.....could it be too much.
>
> Also David has a pimpley rear end.  His bum would make a teenager
proud!
> This is yeast isn't it...it isn't anywhere else on his body.
>
> Beth is 11 and is also being chelated...the kids all seem to be
acting
> "dumb" and aggressive....is this just part of the adjustment
period.    The yeast
> or the viruses.
>
> They are being chelated with ALA every 2.5 hrs during the day...and
2 -4hr
> cycles at nite.
> They are all between 70-80 lbs. I am dividing a 100 mg cap over 8
doses.
>
> here is their supps
>
> They get 1 AFP, 1 No Fenol (unless we have tomatoes then they take
2)1 Zyme
> cap at each meal.
>
> During the day they take the following sups
> 250 mg tmg
> 3 cal tabs that contain the following
> 626 mg calcium as mchc and dicalcium phosphate
> 530 mg phosphorus as mchc and dicalcium phosphate
> 600 mcg boron
> 1500 mg mchc
> 800 IU vit e
> 400 mg Lecithin
> 1 potassium pill...sorry lable got peeled off
> 1000 mg msm
> 100 mg CoQ10
> 800 mg folic acid
> 500 mcg chromium
> 1 milk thistle
> allergy a and d  10,00 iu A and 400 IU d
> 1000 mcg M b-12
> 150 mg Molybdenuem  with 85 mg calcium
> 1000 mg Vit C
> 130 mg thyroid prescription
> 1 true calm  which has the following
>    45 mg niacinamide
>    b6    8 mg
>   chelated magnesium 13 mg
>   gaba  200 mg
>   glycine  200 mg
>   taurine  200  mg
>   insitol     100 mg
>   valarian   25 mg
> 1 anxiety control which contains the following
>   100 mg magnesium oxide
>   b6    10 mg
>   gaba  400 mg
>   glycine  100 mg
>   l-glutamine  140 mg
>   passion flower 150 mg
>   primula officinallis  150 mg
> 1 amino acids blend
>   750 mg which is
>   l-alanine  10 mg
>   l-asparagine 9 mg
>   l-cystine 25 mg
>   l-glycine  84 mg
>   L-Isoleucine  30 mg
>   l-lysine + HCI   42 mg
>    l-ornathine HCI  30 mg
>    l-proline  40 mg
>    l-taurine   25 mg
>    l-tyrosine  25 mg
>    l-argnine   42 mg
>    l-cystine (n-acetyl)  50 mg
>    l-glutamine    90 mg
>    l-histidine+ HCI Monohydrate   15 mg
>    l-leucine    70 mg
>    l-methionine   35 mg
>    l-phenylalnine   40 mg
>    l-serine           10 mg
>    l-threonine      28 mg
>    l -valine         50  mg
>
> At nite they take the following
>
> I true calm
> 1 anxiety control.
> calcium blend again
> 500 mg Krebs cycle magnesium
> 1 potassium
> 400 mg lecithin which also has
>   560 mg choline
>   128 mg ethanolamine
>   16 mg insitol
>
> 11 virastop  (virus study)   this is given later in the  evening...
> 2 candidase (yeast protocol)
> 3 no fenol
> 2 afp
> 2 zyme
>
> 1.5 hrs later....4 charcoal....
>
>
> would appreciate your help with this....
>
> thanks so much...
>
> Ronni
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "jromkema" <jromkema@f...> wrote:
>
> What dose are you giving?
> Barb

> > I am using creatine to help with handwriting problems, as mentioned
> > here a few weeks ago.  So far, my #1 and I are having good results
> > with it.
> >
> > Dana


I meant to post that thanks to people here recommending it, I've had
Julian on creatine for handwriting and it's making a really big
difference. He's worked up to 3 grams/day and had no reaction at all
at any point.

Nell

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "lindajaytee"
<lindajaytee@y...> wrote:

> - poor short term memory
> - difficulty with concentration and focus
> - fatigue
> - depression
> - irritability
> - shyness
> - anxiety
> - slow thinking
> - repetitive thoughts
> - cold hands and feet
> - sensitivity to light
> - digestive problems
> - miss important details (oops, didn't notice that this post was
> addressed to Andy)
> :)
> Linda

I'll add

- sensitivity to sound
- perserverative thinking
- small chores seem insurmountable
- lack of motivation
- diminished sense of humor
- feelings of hopelessness
- achiness at night

wheeee! what a list!

nell