Joy- I think that people react differently to different chelating agents.  And,
some people cannot tolerate chlorella.  I have been using PCA-rx for about 6
months with no adverse effects. Also, i used it on my sons before starting DMPS
- again, with no adverse effects.  I did a fecal toxics analysis on one of my
sons while on PCA-rx and he was pulling a lot of metals.  We still decided to
use DMPS, though, because it is a better chelator of mercury, according to our
DAN.  I still use the PCA-rx, though, because I have amalgams.

Ruth

joymroscoe@... wrote:

In a message dated 29/08/2005 18:59:06 GMT Standard Time,
wolfiebear@... writes:

Then why  did I get so terribly, terribly, DEATHLY ill after a few month of
using  PCArx?



Inga,

I need to know what happened to you with this product. I cannot risk any
more setbacks/regressions for my daughter, she has been through quite enough
with ALA. Did you excrete any metal? What dose were you taking?

Thanks,
Joy


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In a message dated 29/08/2005 18:59:06 GMT Standard Time,
wolfiebear@... writes:

Then why  did I get so terribly, terribly, DEATHLY ill after a few month of
using  PCArx?



Inga,

I need to know what happened to you with this product. I cannot risk any
more setbacks/regressions for my daughter, she has been through quite enough
with ALA. Did you excrete any metal? What dose were you taking?

Thanks,
Joy


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unfortunately my son LOVES fruit...will choose it over ANYTHING. And
it's really hard for me to limit it to two fruits a day like the doc
suggested...



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wrote:
> --- Michelle <michonamission@y...> wrote:
>
>
> > When he finishes the meds after 3 weeks can I begin
> > to introduce
> > more sugar to his diet (I've already eliminated 2/3
> > of it) or do I
> > have to wait until the mercury is out?
>
> We try to remove all (100%) of sugar.
>
> We find that yeast is a chronic problem. It never
> ends.
>
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Rae--what improvements have you seen with the adrenal cortex?  And  what
brands are you using?

Thanks,

Mary


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--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, Rima Regas <rima.regas@g...>
wrote:
> Rae,
>
> Can you describe how you are working on the adrenal issue? What do
you use?
>
> Thanks!
>
Rima,

I have been giving him adrenal cortex.  I also have ordered DGL
licorice to try.  I'm still not sure if the DGL form will work, but
I'm not comfortable using the straight licorice extract. Steve, the
guy from Australia knows quite abit about adrenal stuff.  I haven't
been giving this too long. Wish I could be more helpful.  Rae


>
> --
> Rima Regas
> Mom to Leah, age 7 (AS, DSI and APD)
> http://www.sensoryintegrationhelp.com
>
>
>
> On 8/29/05, thatsmyline2003 <thatsmyline2003@y...> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Mary,
> >
> >  Andy says this indicates adrenal problems.  My son likes
to "ruin"
> >  his food with salt.  We are trying to work on adrenal problems
> >  indicated by his hair test.
> >
> >  Rae

My son had his first hair DDI hair test done when we took him to
Pfeiffer. He was about a week shy of his 7th birthday at that time.
He was not on any nutrients and had not been chelated.  When he was
12 years and two months old, I did a second DDI hair test.  At that
time, we had completed 69 rounds of DMSA/ALA, Andy's protocol, over a
period of 2 years and three months.  I have Andy's book, but I'm
confused as to why after all this chelation, his toxic metals and
total toxic representation is higher than it was before we did
anything at all.  He is ADHD, ODD. We live in a 5 year old house and
he goes to a new school building and I try to watch exposures. I
don't know what to think.  I'm planning to go to 100 rounds.  Do you
think there's a very good chance that will be enough? I really
appreciate all your help.  By the way, we have seen improvement. I'm
posting both tests. Thanks Rae

March 2000 1st Test
POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

Toxic Elements   Result   Ref/Range  Color
Aluminum         8.5      <8         yellow
Antimony         0.036    <0.066      green
Arsenic          0.02     <0.08      green
Beryllium        <0.01    <0.02      nothing
Bismuth          0.023    <0.12      green
Cadmium          0.05     <0.15      green
Lead             0.6      <1         green
Mercury          <0.03    <0.4       nothing
Platinum         <0.003   <0.005     nothing
Thallium         <0.001   <0.01      nothing
Thorium          <0.001   <0.005     nothing
Uranium          0.028    <0.06      green
Nickel           0.19     <0.4       green
Silver           0.04     <0.13      green
Tin              0.34     <0.3       yellow
Titanium         0.44     <1         green
Total Toxic Representative - green

ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

Elements       Result    Ref/Range   Color
Calcium        966       160-500     yellow/high
Magnesium      95        12-50       yellow/high
Sodium         13        12-90       green/low
Potassium      3         10-40       yellow/low
Copper         40        9-30        yellow/high
Zinc           170       110-190     green/high
Manganese      0.16      0.18-0.6    yellow/low
Chromium       0.21      0.23-.5     yellow/low
Vanadium       0.024     0.025-0.1   green touching yellow/low
Molybdenum     0.045     0.04-0.089  green/low
Boron          0.23      0.5-3.5     yellow/low
Iodine         0.52      0.25-1.3    white
Lithium        0.013     0.007-0.023 green/high
Phosphorus     141       160-250     yellow/low
Selenium       0.6       0.95-1.7    yellow/low
Strontium      3.5       0.21-2.1    yellow/high
Sulfur         56400     45500-53000 yellow/high
Barium         1         0.19-1.6    green/high
Cobalt         0.023     0.013-0.035 barely green/high
Iron           6.5       6-17        green/low
Germanium      0.036     0.045-0.065 yellow/low
Rubdidium      0.004     0.008-0.08  yellow/low
Zirconium      0.92      0.06-0.7    yellow/high

Ratios
Elements   Ratios   Expected Range
Ca/Mg      10.1     4-30
Ca/P       6.84     0.8-8
Na/K       4.11     0.5-10
Zn/Cu      4.36     4-20
Zn/Cd      >999     >800


June 2005  2nd hair test
POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

Toxic Elements   Result     Ref/Range    Color
Aluminum         9.5        <8.0         yellow
Antimony         0.064      <0.066       green
Arsenic          0.048      <0.080       green
Beryllium        <0.01      <0.020       nothing
Bismuth          0.018      <0.060       green
Cadmium          0.092      <0.15        green
Lead             1.3        <1.5         green
Mercury          <0.03      <0.40        nothing
Platinum         <0.003     <0.005       nothing
Thallium         <0.001     <0.010       nothing
Thorium          <0.001     <0.005       nothing
Uranium          0.084      <0.060       yellow
Nickel           0.08       <0.40        green
Silver           0.04       <0.13        green
Tin              0.21       <0.30        green
Titanium         0.35       <1.0         green
Total Toxic Representation - green, close to yellow

ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

Elements        Result    Ref/Range    Color
Calcium         343       200-700      green/low
Magnesium       24        18-70        green/low
Sodium          100       12-90        green touching yellow/high
Potassium       120       10-40        Red/high
Copper          51        10-30        yellow touching red/high
Zinc            140       130-200      green/low
Manganese       0.21      0.15-0.65    green/low
Chromium        0.29      0.20-0.40    white touching green/low
Vanadium        0.041     0.020-0.075  White touching green/high
Molybdenum      0.053     0.031-0.062  green/high
Boron           0.85      0.34-3.0     green/low
Iodine          0.37      0.25-1.3     green/low
Lithium         0.071     0.007-0.023  yellow touching red/high
Phosphorus      153       160-250      yellow/low
Selenium        0.97      0.95-1.7     green/low
Strontium       1.1       0.30-3.2     white
Sulfur          50400     44000-52000  green/high
Barium          0.69      0.17-1.5     green/high
Cobalt          0.006     0.013-0.035  red/low
Iron            7.4       5.8-13       green/low
Germanium       0.047     0.045-0.065  green/low
Rubidium        0.093     0.009-0.090  green/high
Zirconium       0.067     0.047-0.70   green/low

Ratios
Elements      Ratios    Expected Range
Ca/Mg         14.3      4-30
Ca/P          2.24      0.8-8
Na/K          0.833     0.5-10
Zn/Cu         2.75      4-20
Zn/Cd         >999      >800

Then why did I get so terribly, terribly, DEATHLY ill after a few month of
using PCArx?
~INGA


on 8/29/05 8:29 AM, T at teamconcepts@... wrote:

>
> With clathration, according to dr usman who we see,  redistribution is
> impossible since it surrounds or casts a net around the metal and takes it
> out of the body, vs with chelation there is only one bond that can be broken
> if the right situation occurs.

Scripting is usually using movie lines or other peoples phrases
either in context or out of context in language.

What you descibe sounds more like echolalia.  A child can echo a
word or phrase over and over again whether they heard it elsewhere
or just are obsessed with saying it.

Paula J

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "Diane Martin"
<diane.martin@m...> wrote:
> Is repeating something over and over considered scripting even if
it was
> not heard somewhere else first and copied?
>
> If  so, what contributes to scripting in a mercury poisoned child?
>
> Diana
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Is repeating something over and over considered scripting even if it was
not heard somewhere else first and copied?

If  so, what contributes to scripting in a mercury poisoned child?

Diana


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Glad you had a good experience.  My son is also ADD (inattentive) with  APD
and sensory issues.  Unfortunately, we did the Sensory Learning also  last
summer and had absolutely no gains whatsover.  It was a lot of money  for zip
results.

Congratulations nonetheless on your son's improvements.  We're all  happy
when any of our kids do well and make progress--even if the therapy was a  bust
for any one of us.  No two kids necessarily respond the same to any
intervention.

Mary


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Hi everyone, I have a son with ADHD, sensory issues and OCD. We've
tried different things with him the one thing that worked best was
sensory integration, we went to The Sensory Learning Center in
Vancouver (www.sensorylearning-vancouver.com) . It was awesome! Anyway
I look forward to meeting everyone and coming up with more solutions
Elsie :o)
Just FYI I think the learning centers are across the US, I just love
sharing when I find something that really works! I hope you all do the
same :o)

I've wondered that about bedwetting?

>>> sczms@... 8/29/2005 10:02:12 AM >>>
Iwas wondering if anyone could answer my orginial question.  Is siting

in a urine filled pullup while chelating, cause the metals that
hopefully are coming out,  to be reabsorbed into the skin ?  thanks
cathy






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Sea salt is actually good for you.. tibetian sea salt is an excellent choice
(it is pink)  any unprocessed pure sea salt is good. .it has the same
chemical make up of blood. He is probably craving REAL SALT. Not processed
salt., which has no nutritional value.   Try giving him the sea salt, if he
gets what he needs he will perhaps crave it less. Also he may be overly
acid.. he may need to have his ph adjusted.. salty foods like olives, etc
are very alkaline which is good for you. A acid environment supports all
sorts of dis-eased conditions.. with a balanced ph.. health can occur.



Anyway.



The processed white salt (morton's etc) is POISON..



Stop using it../



Don't worry about the iodine.. you can get it in the natural sea salt or if
you need more eat some seaweed once in a  while or take a supplement every
so often



It is a better choice than the processed salt.



You can use the processed salt to clean a metal sink or other around the
house tasks.. it is not suitable to be consumed.



The willis group on yahoo has lot of info about ph etc..



The Weston a price foundation has info on health and how artificial /
process foods is making us all sick.  It advocated a simple diet based on
how people ate a hundred plus years ago.



Tara





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On Behalf Of thatsmyline2003
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:44 AM
To: Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Autism-Mercury] Re: Andy-excessive salt use?



--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, Momlaw@a... wrote:
> Andy,
>
> I cannot locate your post in the archives about metal toxicity and
salt
> cravings.  My son likes to use LOTS of salt on this food--which
enrages my
> husband and nurse/daugther, who are convinced this will lead to
awful health
> problems.
>
> I recall your saying that this was indicative of something   metal-
related
> --and that you suggested that he should use as much as he  wanted.
Can you
> explain again what these cravings for salt might  mean?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mary


Mary,

Andy says this indicates adrenal problems.  My son likes to "ruin"
his food with salt.  We are trying to work on adrenal problems
indicated by his hair test.

Rae
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Rae,

Can you describe how you are working on the adrenal issue? What do you use?

Thanks!


--
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http://www.sensoryintegrationhelp.com



On 8/29/05, thatsmyline2003 <thatsmyline2003@...> wrote:

>
>  Mary,
>
>  Andy says this indicates adrenal problems.  My son likes to "ruin"
>  his food with salt.  We are trying to work on adrenal problems
>  indicated by his hair test.
>
>  Rae

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "danasview" <danasview@y...> wrote:
I get massive headaches when I have yeast in my head.  I use
> GSE to eliminate them.

I'm having the same experience now that I'm back to chelating myself.
Charcoal an hour after the GSE helps too.

Nell

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, Momlaw@a... wrote:
> Andy,
>
> I cannot locate your post in the archives about metal toxicity and
salt
> cravings.  My son likes to use LOTS of salt on this food--which
enrages my
> husband and nurse/daugther, who are convinced this will lead to
awful health
> problems.
>
> I recall your saying that this was indicative of something   metal-
related
> --and that you suggested that he should use as much as he  wanted.
Can you
> explain again what these cravings for salt might  mean?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mary


Mary,

Andy says this indicates adrenal problems.  My son likes to "ruin"
his food with salt.  We are trying to work on adrenal problems
indicated by his hair test.

Rae
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

There is small homeopathic amount of LA in the pca –rx there is also a small
amount of LA in nac.. a competitor of pca  .. both are clathration agents
and they use nanoized cholera to do the clathration.



You can call the companies up to verify this as I may not be 100% right on.
Also it is la.. not ala.. they are similar but not completely the same.



I think they both contain significantly less than 1mg of la in the entire
bottle.  Anyway.





With clathration, according to dr usman who we see,  redistribution is
impossible since it surrounds or casts a net around the metal and takes it
out of the body, vs with chelation there is only one bond that can be broken
if the right situation occurs.



Ala only will mobilize metals.. It cannot remove it from the body by itself.



Email me off list if you want info as I have a of good info on why to avoid
ala, and use other natural detox methods.. this has really been helping my
son who is starting to talk and play for the first time since he lost speech
at 18 mos.. he is now 5 ½   .. good luck



Tara









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On Behalf Of joymroscoe@...
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 1:54 AM
To: Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Autism-Mercury] Does PCA-Rx contain ALA?




In a message dated 29/08/2005 04:31:12 GMT Standard Time, novacs@...
writes:

I'm  wondering if PCA-Rx is the right chelating agent (I believe ALA
is the  actual chelating substance in the PCA product) and I'm also
nervous about  the protocol.  It seems like it could cause daily
redistribution  events.



I was also under the impression that PCA-Rx contained ALA. I have been
advised to try my daughter on this product along with TD-DMPS, but was
worried
because she cannot tolerate ALA. I was told that there is no ALA in PCA-Rx,
but
that it is a colloid mineral mixture. I also feel worried about
redistribution. Does anyone knows for sure the exact contents of  PCA-Rx?
TIA,
Joy


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Rick,

What does your brother recommend we do? Should we continue with the shots or
take a break? Let me know. Thanks.

Al


>From: "rlneub" <Rick@...>
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>To: Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Autism-Mercury] Re: Vitamin B-12 Shot Reaction?
>Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 02:40:05 -0000
>
>This is Rick (not a doctor) Neubrander
>MB12 increases glutathion
>Glutathion detoxes
>This Might cause a rash.
>
>The most likely is yeast, bacteria, or allergy.
>
>--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "AL ASKER" <askeralkris@m...>
>wrote:
> > Mr. Neubrander,
> >
> > My son is breaking out on his bottom today. Could the vitamin B-12
>shots be
> > the cause of this? He has been having the shots for about a month, a
>total
> > of 9 shots in all.
> >
> >
> > Albert Asker
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I think there IS a mercury free version of Tetanus designed for an
older child (7 and up).  I think it is called Decavac.  It might be
one of those that contains 'trace amounts' of Thimerosal from the
manufacturing process.  Aventis Pasteur is the maker.

Purely from memory, here.  I looked this up a while ago for a friend
of mine.

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wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Yesterday I took my daughter for her yearly physical and she is
due a
> > tetanus shot. Everything was OK until I asked if it contained
mercury
> > (thymerosal) and when we checked it did. At that point I refused
the
> > shot but I do want her vaccinated. How does one go about getting
a non-
> > mercury shot? Isabel is NT but there is no way I would risk a
mercury
> > shot for her.
>
>
> So far as I know, all tetanus shots have mercury.  This site is
> currently offline, but you can check here later
>
> http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm
>
> Consider non-vax options for tetanus
>
> http://www.mothering.com/sections/experts/tenpenny-
archive.html#tetanus
>
> Dana

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "vnm4flan" <vnm4flan@c...> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Yesterday I took my daughter for her yearly physical and she is due a
> tetanus shot. Everything was OK until I asked if it contained mercury
> (thymerosal) and when we checked it did. At that point I refused the
> shot but I do want her vaccinated. How does one go about getting a non-
> mercury shot? Isabel is NT but there is no way I would risk a mercury
> shot for her.


So far as I know, all tetanus shots have mercury.  This site is
currently offline, but you can check here later

http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm

Consider non-vax options for tetanus

http://www.mothering.com/sections/experts/tenpenny-archive.html#tetanus

Dana

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "tazu_kumano"
<tazu_kumano@y...> wrote:
> Dana,
>
> I have the same question as Kathy:
> "Dana, how did you know you were on the right track with the OLE?  Did
> you see positive results right away that you could not attribute to
> other things you were doing at the time?


Basically, I did not notice anything really, but when I tried to
remove the OLE, my son had major regression.  So I continued, but
every month or so, I would try to reduce the dose, and my son would
regress.  At about the 10th month or so, he started getting a rash,
which had been described on another message board with anti-viral use,
so I continued.  At the end of the rash, I kept the OLE for a few more
weeks, gradually reducing the dose.  This time, no regression.

Dana

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "jenin982000" <jenin98@h...> wrote:
> I apply td-dmps on my son every other day using a shot glass to rub it
> on his skin. I don't wear gloves. Afterwards, I wash the glass and
> store it for the next use. I seem to be getting these constant
> headaches now and am thinking, could it be from the dmps. I have
> mercury fillings in my mouth, and could this be the cause of my
headaches?


It could be the DMPS.  But also consider that if it is the DMPS, then
it could be yeast, because chelation generally tends to aggravate
yeast.  I get massive headaches when I have yeast in my head.  I use
GSE to eliminate them.  So basically, try something to eliminate
yeast, see if that helps.

Dana

Thank you f or all you have shared it touched me in a personal way.
Reminds me of the message that has been with me since my wife had
shared on a  mother's day.
It was an Honor to see my wife picked from all the mothers of our
Church to  share her story.
Also  met me where I was at and spoke to my spirit.

Not just a mother's day message.

She had given her testimony of a mother's perspective in how God
had
taken her through many trials and circumstance and how it has
effected her to grow in personal Faith.

She goes on to say that each of the 3 children's lives had always
represented a special meaning.
Of being touched from our

  #1 -heart
  #2- Inspiration
#3 - Hope

I broke down because she was right from all three descriptions in how
their lives touched me as well.

An of course my little Guy has always been considered our "
Hope" and
always will be.

And ya know what….
  Because of his life, he has also touched many lives and given them
" Hope" too.

  Please do not loose this" Hope"  BC it will take you as far
as you allow it to.


Btw sorry to ramble on but 3 days ago my wife had sent me an e -card,
but I didn't get a chance to read t until this morning.
We have been going through some rough times together lately. Of
course many of which my little guy is always woven into it.
However the story always has a purpose and it is to re kindle
that "Hope" and move on

My wife always shares the message of `Hope" in the time of
need here this is what she sent me.
Thks
K~




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--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "WinnChimes" <winnchimes@l...>
wrote:
>> Never give up hope.
>
> My son is almost 9, severely autistic (not talking and in diapers)
and since
> we have implemented the gfcf diet and epsom salts, he has made
significant
> progress! The school was shocked! We still have a long way to go as
I
> believe the diet and epsom salts is just a band aid and doesn't
really
> repair anything.
> But works for now!
>
> We all get down and feel that this whole mess is hopeless! And we
get tired
> of it! It's o.k. to admit that while you love your child dearly,
you just
> wish they were normal. Yes, we hate that our children have to go
through so
> much. But we go through a lot too! More than we bargained for! We
didn't ask
> for this. You don't deserve this....Our kids don't deserve this!
> Just say it out loud, scream it, write it down, call a friend,
vent!!!
> Then take a deep breath and pick up where you left off.  I can't
expect
> everyone to feel as I do. That while autism was the worst thing for
my son,
> it's the best thing that ever happened to me.  I hate that he's not
> recovered yet, and that he's gone through so much pain. But I have
learned
> lessons they don't teach in any school.
> I will never give up. Nothing is ever hopeless.
>
> Next time you start feeling "hopeless" go volunteer at a homeless
shelter.
> Or better yet a children's hospital or a hospice.
> Before you know it, you'll be counting your blessings.

Iwas wondering if anyone could answer my orginial question.  Is siting
in a urine filled pullup while chelating, cause the metals that
hopefully are coming out,  to be reabsorbed into the skin ?  thanks
cathy

My daughter has SID, she is 10 and I look at what we have been through
as a cake walk compared to what I have read on this board.  (And
believe me it is absolutely more than I feel that I can bear at times.)

I am just absolutely heartbroken for all of you who suffer so
completely each and everyday.  Knowing that God's heart breaks for you
too, I am praying that He would bring comfort and healing to your
children and to you.  I am believing for a completely safe and
effective way of chelating to come to light soon.

"For God has not given me a Spirit of fear, but of power, of love and
of a sound mind." 2 Timothy 1:7

Wishing you all the best,
Randi

MessageKenny:

I asked and was given permission to forward this post about bruxism.

Rebecca

     do u want the long story or short story ? ;o) As Willis will atest, this
     was one of my son's bugbears from the time he began having teeth till
     approx Dec/Jan 05 .... he is now 6yrs old in Sept.

     i must have tried just about everything .... in the end from much
     process and elimination ... i found high dose Vit-B5 (250mg)+ Vit-E to
     do the trick ... which made sense as my son had adrenal exhaustion /
     stress ... B5 is good for that ...

     i tried inositol, magnesium, calcium etc but until i included B5 and E
     ... then it disappeared ... our ENT at the time when we were having
     tubes inserted told us "don't worry about it mate, it'll go as he gets
     older" ..... mmm ... a worry ... i said "i hope it goes before he loses
     his teeth" ... he said " don't worry mate ... this is mother nature ...
     bruxism's purpose is to loosen the first set of teeth to allow for next
     set ... after this bruxism goes" ... so go figure ...

     also "some say" that bruxism is a sign of heavy metal poisoning .... but
     i think this maybe and old grandma's tale ....

     -----------------------------------------------

     anyway below are my notes collected and you can read more on google

     According to Ploceniak, prolonged magnesium administration nearly always
     provides a cure for bruxism. This confirms an earlier report which
     claimed remarkable reductions and sometimes disappearance in the
     frequency and duration of grinding episodes in six patients who took
     assorted vitamins and minerals (which included 100mg of magnesium) for
     at least five weeks. When the supplement intake stopped, the symptoms
     returned. [Bruxism and Magnesium, My Clinical Experiences Since 1980, by
     C. Ploceniak (Translated from the French by James Michels)]

     Calcium Requirement  Cheraskin & Ringsdorf (1970) studied the effects of
     nutritional supplements on teeth grinders or clenchers. Of these, 16
     took calcium, vitamin A, vitamin C, Vitamin B5 (pantothenic acid),
     iodine, and vitamin E. When surveyed a year later, they reported that
     bruxism vanished. In contrast, the 15 bruxers who only took vitamins A,
     C, E and iodine showed no improvement. It seemed reasonable to conclude
     that the active agents were calcium and pantothenic acid (vitamin B5).

     People who clench and/or grind their teeth in their sleep can reduce
     this by taking up to 8 drops of Lugol's (potassium iodide) daily or
     periodically.

     Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic Acid),Bruxism (Clenching/Grinding Teeth),See the
     link between Bruxism and Magnesium.

     Test for Food Allergies,Bruxism (Clenching/Grinding Teeth),Teeth
     grinding may be aggravated by certain foods in some individuals.

     Stress Management,Bruxism (Clenching/Grinding Teeth),Treatment may
     include stress reduction and creating a positive home environment.
     Psychological stress is considered a significant cause.

     Magnesium,Bruxism (Clenching/Grinding Teeth),"Until further research is
     done, the best strategy may involve taking the following on a daily
     basis: magnesium, calcium and pantothenic acid. If bruxism subsides, it
     is advisable to continue taking these supplements, but perhaps at a
     lower dosage. If no improvement is observed after 2 months, another
     approach should be tried."

     Iodine,Bruxism (Clenching/Grinding Teeth),People who clench and/or grind
     their teeth in their sleep can reduce this by taking up to 8 drops of
     Lugol's (potassium iodide) daily or periodically.

     Dental Appliance,Bruxism (Clenching/Grinding Teeth),A dental appliance
     can protect the teeth from harm in cases of bruxism at night.

     Counseling,Bruxism (Clenching/Grinding Teeth),"Bruxism is sometimes due
     to strong emotions such as resentment, frustration, anger, grief, or
     fear, and can result from a dysfunctional family situation."

     Conventional Drug Use,Muscle Cramps / Twitching,"Doctors may feel they
     have to resort to drugs like Sinequin (Doxepin) or Klonopin
     (Klonazepam). Sinequin is a tricyclic anti-depressant and anti-histamine
     that can produce marked sedation. This medication may enhance the effect
     of Klonopin, but it can reduce muscle twitching all by itself. Klonopin
     is an anti-anxiety medication and anti-convulsive/anti-spasmodic. It is
     useful in dealing with muscle twitching, restless leg syndrome, and
     night-time grinding of the teeth (bruxism)."

     Calcium,Bruxism (Clenching/Grinding Teeth),See the link between Bruxism
     and Magnesium.

     Biofeedback,Bruxism (Clenching/Grinding Teeth),Studies support the
     conclusion that heavy bruxers have reduced frequency of clenching early
     on with biofeedback treatments.

     -----Original Message-----
     From: Williss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Williss@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
     Of StilliePas@...
     Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2005 7:41 AM
     To: Williss@yahoogroups.com
     Subject: [Williss] Teeth Grinding


     I know this is probably something I can do a search on but I am not sure
     how to do that.
     I am sure this subject has been discussed before so hope you can help.

     I seem to remember that teeth grinding is caused by a lack of something
     i.e. a mineral/vitamin. Can anyone advise?

     Thanks
     Tricia


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I have had good success with swishing a teaspoon or tablespoon of
plain yogurt or kefir in my mouth after brushing. I used to use
peroxide but it became difficult. Really helps with yeast during and
after antibiotics, too.
*S*

--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "lanellici" <lanellici@a...>
wrote:
> My brother has such bad gum disease his dentist has put him on
> low-dose daily antibiotics. I'm wondering a bunch of things: does the
> mouth have a balance of good bacteria and bad that could be screwed
up
> by his amalgams? Would swishing his mouth with GSE or something
> (what?) be better than using Listerine? Any suggestions?
>
> He takes great care of his teeth but he does have a bunch of
amalgams.
> He's getting a hair test so that will be informative in any case, but
> I was hoping someone here has some ideas. I can;t stand the idea of
> daily abx.
>
> Nell

Have you considered trying enzymes?
Linda S S


  --- On Mon 08/29, jane milota < autismjtm@... > wrote:
<tt>
That is exactly what I had in mind: TD-DMSA.<BR>
It is still in the future though. I made the mistake of taking my son off the
GF/CF diet (which has helped him soooo much) this summer to see if he would
start eating a variety of foods. Good grief, did we suffer because of that. We
are now dealing with toe-walking, finger biting, stimming and massive emotional
outbursts - things that we have not seen in years.<BR>
Anyways, it is back to square one and introduce the diet and all the supplements
all over again, so chelation is still in the future. I learned a valuable lesson
though: If it is working, don't mess with it!<BR>
Jane<BR>
<BR>
Jackie Hines <jhines@...> wrote:<BR>
Yes!  If you are using a TD (transdermal) chelator, you need to use <BR>
something like a bottom of a shot glass to administer and rub it on his <BR>
skin.  You will be fine.  We personally use oral chelators per Andy's <BR>
protocol.<BR>
<BR>
Jackie---<BR>
<BR>
> See, here's my problem. I have a mouth loaded with mercury fillings (I <BR>
> think I only have 6 teeth without the nasty stuff in them). It would take <BR>
> me forever to get them out; not to mention the cost since my dental <BR>
> insurance won't cover it. I understand the redistribution thing with <BR>
> chelation, but my son does not have any fillings and it is him I want to <BR>
> chelate. Wouldn't I be able to go ahead and chelate him?<BR>
> Jane<BR>
><BR>
> kahybl@... wrote:<BR>
> Never chelate if you have amalgams/mercury fillings still in your mouth. <BR>
> If<BR>
> you chelate with those in your mouth you run the risk of redistributing<BR>
> mercury somewhere else (not that it isn't slowly happening now).  My <BR>
> dentist (before<BR>
> I knew anything about autism and mercury, etc) asked about 6 years ago did
<BR>
> I<BR>
> want to replace them with composits - I have 2 small amalgams and not <BR>
> deep.<BR>
> Since getting my son in order with chelation, I was at the dentist this <BR>
> week<BR>
> and I told Dr. T that I wanted them removed so that I could start <BR>
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> myself - next month they go :)<BR>
><BR>
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Hi Jane:

Take some time and research and read all your options. I thought you were
chelating with Dr. Tenpenny. Welcome, again, read the FAQ files in the A-M
files. Ask lots of questions.

Good luck,
Rebecca
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: jane milota
   To: Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 12:10 AM
   Subject: RE: FW: JaneRe: RERe: [Autism-Mercury] question about amalgams


   Hmm, I will definitely need to look into that. Thank you so much for making me
aware of it.
   Jane

   T <teamconcepts@...> wrote:
   Yes.. you can order it from a variety of websites.. without a rx.



   Dr usman who we see says it is safe and she has never known of anyone to
   have a problem with it.



   T

   You should also think about supplementing..



   Zinc acetate, magnesium chloride and selenium yeast are always good for
   those with metal problems.







     _____

   From: Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com]
   On Behalf Of jane milota
   Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 11:03 PM
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   Subject: Re: FW: JaneRe: RERe: [Autism-Mercury] question about amalgams



   Is that without a perscription (the pca-rx)? I have seen it advertised and
   have asked questions about it before.
   Might be worth a try.
   Jane

   T <teamconcepts@...> wrote:


   Pca -rx is advertised as being able to use it while you have metal fillings,
   / dental work.



   It has helped my son and it is gentle, etc.



   Also cilantro every day. .for 20 -60 days can really clean up the system
   without chemicals, etc. and it is easy and cheap. About 1/3 to ½ or more  a
   cup a day.



   More info is available at the willis chat group on yahoo.





   tara

     _____

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   On Behalf Of jane milota
   Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 10:52 PM
   To: Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: JaneRe: RERe: [Autism-Mercury] question about amalgams



   I'm sorry. I posted it wrong. I DO want to chelate myself at a later point.
   I think it was some where in the A-M files that I read something about
   neither parent nor child should have any amalgams when chelating the child,
   but then again, lately I have been reading so much that lord only knows
   where I read it.
   Sorry about the confusion and thank you for your reply.
   Jane

   kahybl@... wrote:
   Jane, I misunderstood you.  I thought you were also going to chelate
   yourself as well as your son.


   Kathy Hybl

   -----Original Message-----
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   Sent: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:37:04 -0700 (PDT)
   Subject: Re: RERe: [Autism-Mercury] question about amalgams


   See, here's my problem. I have a mouth loaded with mercury fillings (I think
   I
   only have 6 teeth without the nasty stuff in them). It would take me forever
   to
   get them out; not to mention the cost since my dental insurance won't cover
   it.
   I understand the redistribution thing with chelation, but my son does not
   have
   any fillings and it is him I want to chelate. Wouldn't I be able to go ahead
   and
   chelate him?
   Jane

   kahybl@... wrote:
   Never chelate if you have amalgams/mercury fillings still in your mouth.  If

   you chelate with those in your mouth you run the risk of redistributing
   mercury somewhere else (not that it isn't slowly happening now).  My dentist

   (before
   I knew anything about autism and mercury, etc) asked about 6 years ago did I

   want to replace them with composits - I have 2 small amalgams and not deep.

   Since getting my son in order with chelation, I was at the dentist this week

   and I told Dr. T that I wanted them removed so that I could start chelating
   myself - next month they go :)

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--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "Jackie Hines" <jhines@p...>
wrote:
The TD chelator will pull the mercury out of your amalgams if you get
it on your skin.
> Jackie---

Hi Jackie, can you point to any studies or research on this theory?
Thanks,
*S*