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Re: Encephalopathy looks like Autism?-was Counting Rules - Bismuth High

Hi Theresa,
David's hair test shows antimony and silver in red, and aluminum,
cadmium, lead,uranium in yellow. As I said, he had 14 essential
elements in the middle band, with some characteristic pattern - high
Ca and Mg and low Na and K. We did Elemental Analysis (packed
erythrocytes) from Great Smokies Laboratory for toxic and essential
elements, to my surprise, it showed elevated mercury and silver from
toxic elements and elevated copper and molybdenum from essential
elements. All other elements were normal. I don't know how to
interpret this result, may be, it means that he had recent exposure.
I stopped breastfeeding David in June, and the test was done in
November, and I had 4 amalgams, may be he could get this mercury and
silver from my amalgams. Or may be some of nutrients which he was
taking could mobilize mercury and silver from within the cells - I
don't know. It's interesting that I saw immediate improvement in him
after I stopped breastfeeding (I did not know anything about autism
at that time, and did not use any intervention). We started chelation
with DMSA only, and I see improvements after each round. Today he
played football the first time (I could not believe - but his father
swears). After first round I did not see difference, but his behavior
therapist asked me:" what are you doing with him? He does things he
never did before." During the second round he agreed the first time
to ride the bycicle, and we were riding on all the cars in "Toys are
us" for an hour ( and bought one car, and he loves it!).I did pre-
and post- provocative urine test during the first round. Pre- test
showed some arsenic, mercury, nickel, tin and cadmium coming out (all
in green), and very little lead. Post- test showed a lot of lead
coming out (39 - reference range 15), tin also was in yellow, and no
mercury at all. May be DMSA binds first with lead? I don't know but I
am sure that mercury is still there.
I think that if you are not sure if your child has mercury toxicity
or not you can just try to start chelation and see if your son has
improvements or not. Urine test may also show if you are getting
anything out or not. I believe that just one or two rounds of DMSA
are pretty safe. David just turned three, his weight is about 32 lbs,
we used 75mg DMSA every 4 hours and did not have any problems.
Do you see benefits from epsom salt baths? I agree, they could give
wrong result for Mg, but if they help may be they could also
normalize some mineral transport(just an idea...)
Best wishes,
Margaret

--- In Autism-Mercury@y..., "autismzone" <autismzone@y...> wrote:
> Yes, he has 14, with 2 that are barely yellows (right over the
green
> into yellow). I was worried that his magnesium was incorrect since
> we give Epsom Salt Baths and rinse his hair with the magnesium
> sulfate (he was red for this) and maybe it would not have been
> abnormal if we were not giving him the baths. Being that close I
am
> concerned that chelation may not help.
>
> "At least, my child also has 14, and his test for blood
erithrocites
> shows elevated mercury." Are you chelating? Could you tell me
more
> about the blood test for erithrocites and what it tests-just
mercury
> problems? Did your child's hair test show any toxic elements in
the
> red?
>
> Thanks for your help!!! Theresa
>
>
> --- In Autism-Mercury@y..., "igorginzburg" <imginzburg@e...> wrote:
> > Forgive me if I am wrong but it seems to me that according to the
> > second criterium of counting rules (number of essental elements
> > inside the middle band is 14 or less) your child is mercury
toxic.
> At
> > least, my child also has 14, and his test for blood erithrocites
> > shows elevated mercury.
> > Margaret
> >
> > --- In Autism-Mercury@y..., "autismzone" <autismzone@y...> wrote:
> > > I started researching Encephalopathy that Andy mentioned.
> > > Has anyone else's child tested high for Bismuth?
> > > Does this sound like autism?
> > >
> > > "Myalgic Encephalopathy/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is a complex
> > disease
> > > affecting the brain and immune system. It is characterised by
> > > neurological, gastrointestinal and musculoskeletal symptoms,
pain
> > and
> > > disabling fatigue. It is a chronic disease which can result in
> > major
> > > disruption to educational, social, physical and emotional
> > development
> > > for many months or years. Onset of the syndrome may be sudden,
> > > triggered by infection, or gradual, where diagnosis may be
missed
> > and
> > > misinterpreted as school phobia, anxiety/depression or lack of
> > > motivation." I have heard Dr. Goldberg speak and read his
> papers.
> > > Not sure how much this has to do with it.
> > >
> > > "Neurological:
> > > dizziness headache, pressure pain
> > > noise and light sensitivity
> > > cognition dysfunction (word recall, short-term memory,
> > concentration)
> > > visual disturbances (blurring, eye pain)
> > > sleep disturbance
> > > irritability, mood swings, distress, despair or depression
> > > (frequently parallel with disease fluctuation).
> > > abrupt episodes of anxiety/panic
> > >
> > > Gastrointestinal:
> > > nausea, loss of appetite
> > > diarrhea
> > > abdominal pain
> > > reflux
> > > food intolerances
> > >
> > > I also found information relating "mad-cow" disease (I had food
> > > poisoning when pregnant with my son from a taco salad-beef),
> > chronic
> > > fatigue syndrome, Michael Goldberg, and vaccinations using
bovine.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts since my autistic son's Bismuth was off the
page/red
> > for
> > > the DDI hair test.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for anyone having any thoughts on this.
> > > Theresa, San Antonio, TX
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Autism-Mercury@y..., "andrewhallcutler"
<AndyCutler@a...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > The essential elements do not satisfy the counting rules,
> > > suggesting that mineral transport is normal and healthy.
> > > That given, the elevated toxic elements may well be real.
> > > Bismuth is known to induce encephalopathy. It is worth
checking
> > into
> > > these. Andy




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List,Please Help!We have received our DDI hair test results!!! We do have 2 red toxic elements and 2 red essential elements. I did the counting rules and it...
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Jan 26, 2002
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Hello Theresa, As I count this, I get: a. number very elevated or very low = 2 [yes-- this means red only] NORMAL b. number in middle band = 14 [this means...
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The essential elements do not satisfy the counting rules, suggesting that mineral transport is normal and healthy. That given, the elevated toxic elements may...
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Jan 27, 2002
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I started researching Encephalopathy that Andy mentioned. Has anyone else's child tested high for Bismuth? Does this sound like autism? "Myalgic...
autismzone
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Jan 27, 2002
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Forgive me if I am wrong but it seems to me that according to the second criterium of counting rules (number of essental elements inside the middle band is 14...
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Jan 27, 2002
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Yes, he has 14, with 2 that are barely yellows (right over the green into yellow). I was worried that his magnesium was incorrect since we give Epsom Salt...
autismzone
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Jan 27, 2002
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Hi Theresa, David's hair test shows antimony and silver in red, and aluminum, cadmium, lead,uranium in yellow. As I said, he had 14 essential elements in the...
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Jan 28, 2002
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Yes, I have been wondering about the Epsom Salt Baths normalizing things. I mentioned to Susan Owens once about a weird occurance. My son was sick on and off...
autismzone
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Jan 28, 2002
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Hi :) Haven't given my son Transfer Factor in over a year now. Thought I would try again since his immune system is haywire, ONCE again.,.Thought I'd ask the...
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Jan 28, 2002
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... Maybe. Maybe not. It is surprisingly hard to figure things out. What sulfate does (among many other things) is to remove the substances that act like...
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Hi, My son's Bismuth was off the charts as well. In fact this was the highest marker on the test. I just thought it was because of mercury poisoning. It...
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Jan 28, 2002
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Hi Andy, Some questions about interpreting the Toxic Elements results when mineral transport seems normal: How does one know what "elevated" means when the...
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... are ... The reference ranges are NOT arbitrary. DDI is one of the few labs that uses PROPERLY DETERMINED ranges, which is to say green is less than 1...
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