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> Quick question...is the Urinary Porphyrins test done after using a=20=20
> provoking agent?

No.

> Trying to piece this all together, please bear with me...- are hair=20=20
> test and urinary porphyrins tests the two best tests? Or is ALL=20=20
> testing useless??

These are the 2 best tests.

I strongly favor the hair test.

Testing isn't useless, you're falling into the trap of black and white thin=
king. It's all just probabilities - which test results are likely to come =
out in such a way that the probabilities of your child having X or Y or Z g=
et close enough to 0 or 1 that it is worthwhile trying something to see if =
it helps. The ultimate test is always a therapeutic trial.

There is a certain amount of inference you can make from other testing if y=
ou happen to have it. Sometimes you're lucky enough that it is a pretty st=
rong inference (a high probability) without needing a hair or porphyrin tes=
t.

Usually the cheapest and easiest way to get to high certainty is to try che=
lation (or whatever else you are thinking of).

> Carolyn

Andy


<a href=3D"http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html">Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis =
and Treatment</a >

<a href=3D"http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html">Hair Test Interpreta=
tion: Finding Hidden Toxicities</a >

<a href=3D"http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html">Nourishing Hope fo=
r Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children</a >

<a href=3D"http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html">Biological T=
reatments for Autism and PDD</a >





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How accurate is a 24 hour DMSA challenge with 24 hr. urine collection? I was surprised to see no elevated metals in my son's test results. None even close to...
C in San Diego
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Jul 10, 2009
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My child had a 24 hr urine test too, no toxic metals were found in the elevated range (he was on 1/8mg per lb body weight of dmsa). However, we are seeing...
Priscilla Tan
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Jul 10, 2009
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My DAN mentioned something about being hesitant to follow Cutler's protocol because of the age/size of my child. He is 9 and 66 pounds. I didn't pursue at the...
C in San Diego
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Jul 10, 2009
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... From: C in San Diego ===>Cutler's protocol works for all sizes, including adults. Don't get talked into something the dr wants that will harm your child....
Rebecca
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Jul 10, 2009
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What are the best files, things to get/ find to educate myself on Andy's protocol? Do people really chelate when a DMSA (DAN) challenge show NO elevated ...
C in San Diego
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Jul 10, 2009
6:47 pm

Absolutely. Everyone has heavy metals in their tissues; Autism or no Autism. Just because the heavy metals pulled aren't at an alarming level does not mean...
noaholiviaian
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Jul 10, 2009
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... From: C in San Diego ===>Andy has a couple of books that are invaluable, at www.noamalgam.com I think if this doesn't work, ask again. There is also a...
Rebecca
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Jul 10, 2009
7:03 pm

Comments interspersed all throughout this long message. ... The files section of this list, my books Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment (...
andrewhallcutler
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Jul 11, 2009
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I have not read all the responses yet and appreciate all the info, so far. My DAN is an Osteopath and has been right on the money for everything - until this...
C in San Diego
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Jul 11, 2009
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... From: C in San Diego I have not read all the responses yet and appreciate all the info, so far. My DAN is an Osteopath and has been right on the money for ...
Rebecca
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Jul 11, 2009
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... This all starts with the trade union attitude licensure fosters and protects. Doctors are brainwashed in med school that anything another doctor says must...
andrewhallcutler
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Jul 11, 2009
6:23 pm

Gosh, I would think the DAN! protocol would be contraindicated for a child that size and age since the use such high doses of chelators. I assume this doctor...
noaholiviaian
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Jul 10, 2009
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Your DAN is not familiar with the AC protocol. With the AC protocol, dosing is based on weight. It is the DAN protocol that prescribes high doses of chelators...
Maggie da Silva
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Jul 11, 2009
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My last DAN Rx'd supplements that contained substances my child was KNOWN to be truly allergic to. I didn't follow that advice just because he was a DAN or a...
Lisa
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Jul 11, 2009
3:54 am

... It's been said often on this site that DMSA does not get into the brain where mercury likes to go so I'm not sure what kind of conclusion can be drawn from...
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Jul 10, 2009
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Hi Carolyn, Comments interspersed. Linda S S Re: dmsa challenge results Posted by: "C in San Diego" mamatutu@... octbaby1999 Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:35 am...
Linda Shepard Salzer
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Jul 11, 2009
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You can order the DDI hair elements test yourself without a doc through Direct Lab Services. Linda S S...
Linda Shepard Salzer
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Jul 11, 2009
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Is it the "Hair Element" (not the Hair Toxic Element Exposure) test under the "Autism" category? Just want to make sure I order the right one :o) Thank you...
lenakhais
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Jul 12, 2009
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Hi Carolyn, IMO it's a boulder, not a pebble. Linda S S Re: dmsa challenge results Posted by: "C in San Diego" mamatutu@... octbaby1999 Fri Jul 10,...
Linda Shepard Salzer
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Jul 11, 2009
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I agree...pebble was the wrong word. I have ordered Andy's book. Between this group, his book (and input) and my husband's PhD in Chemistry we will figure out...
C in San Diego
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Jul 11, 2009
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... No. ... These are the 2 best tests. I strongly favor the hair test. Testing isn't useless, you're falling into the trap of black and white thinking. It's...
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