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My surgery was on July 11 and this week was also my first time not
losing.  Its funny, how I reacted, it was like OMG, that's it, that's
all I'm going to lose, another failed attempt......
I have to tell my brain to shut the F up, and just keep doing what I'm
doing.  We are not the only ones in the world who have stalled.
But i do hate it!

--- In AstronomicallyStunningVSGer@yahoogroups.com, Cindy Fullerton
<auntonion2001@...> wrote:
>
> I have wondered the same thing...not much posting for this group.
>
> I had a bad week too...didn't lose anything...in fact gained a
couple...and I can't figure it out.....my eating is relatively the
same.  I haven't had a stall to date...so maybe I'm just due?
>
> I had my surg July 9..and have consistantly lost something each week
till this week.  Very frustrating!
>
>
> --- On Tue, 10/21/08, LisaRN <ladiesassie2@...> wrote:
> From: LisaRN <ladiesassie2@...>
> Subject: Re: [AstronomicallyStunningVSGer] Hello????
> To: AstronomicallyStunningVSGer@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 11:45 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>             Hi. Im here. I guess I should post more. Goodness knows,
I need some support...something to help me get me past all of these
bad choices Im making lately.
>  
> How r u?
>
>
>
>
> LisaRN
> My groups:
> Nurses Online
>
>
> --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Gwen <pengwen13@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Gwen <pengwen13@yahoo. com>
> Subject: [AstronomicallyStun ningVSGer] Hello????
> To: AstronomicallyStunn ingVSGer@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 9:11 PM
>
>
>
>
> Where has everyone gone??
>
> Hope everyone is well!
>

Where has everyone gone??

Hope everyone is well!

Thanks Bernice!!  It makes me feel better knowing people - someone
all - understand where I am coming from.  I am sure people tend to
roll their eyes at this, but I AM a healthy eater. Apparently not
100% of the time since I got to the point I did - but it wasn't like
I ballooned 100 lbs the last 5 years. I eat healthier than most I
know and because of that is why I am worried about this surgery not
working.  My  problem was portion control.  I had watermelon last
night. 4 or 5 chunks.  Last year at this time I would have finished
off 1/2 of the watermelon (craved watermelon big time when I was
pregnant).  I can't do that anymore thanks to my new tummy (and I had
foamies too the first time I had a bite of watermelon. hmmm - wonder
what it is?)

So this surgery wasn't to break my sweet tooth.  I don't have
one....nothing like my DH's at least. And believe me, if I did, I'd
be in a whole world of trouble.  Right now he has a Hostess stash of
Twinkies and cupcakes.  Milk & Dark Hershey Chocolate bars...some
minis and Fastbreaks too.  He has to have those chocolate chip
cookies in the 2 lb tin of cookies from Meijer - so those are in the
freezer.  Mrs Smith Apple Pies.  Ben & Jerry's Cherry Garcia & ice
cream bars. Oh yeah, and several types of chips.  SO yes, if I was a
sweet eater, I'd be in big trouble!! lol  He is 5'5" and weighs 140
lbs soaking wet.  This stuff is a staple of his diet.  He grew up on
it.  I didn't.  I can not eat that crap without feeling like crap.  I
worry about him BIG TIME, but his whole family are like that and he
sees nothing wrong. (BTW My cholesterol is 167.  His is 255!)

My family is overweight - while yes, they are crappier eaters than
me, with the exception of one, we still are prone to eat healthier
foods - lots of veggies and salad.  Our problem is our dinner
consisted of meat, potatoes, veggie, salad, cottage cheese, bread and
a big glass of milk.  DH's family sees potatoes as a veggie.  It is a
given with our meals.  That isn't me anymore, but that is how I was
brought up.  Potatoes and bread (or any baked good) very rarely graze
my lips.  Carbs, while I did eat more before surgery than I do now,
still were something I watched.  Even something low carb isn't low if
you have 3 or 4 servings of it.... now I can only have 1 serving or
less so that may be my safety net.

Now onto something different.  How is your house coming along?  Is it
back together again?  I want big trees around us, but we are also out
in the open.  Not much barrier from the heavy winds.  I guess right
after this house was built, the whole roof blew off in those straight
line winds (yours wasn't from a tornado, was it?)

Take care.  Thanks for letting me ramble on!
Gwen

I don't know anyone else locally who has the sleeve.  I don't know
many who have had WLS at all.  So I have to rely on my surgeon's
office.  I seem to be doing just fine by them.  My weight is on
track.  The NUT seems uninterested in me. Probably since I have
called with questions and am doing what they want me to with calories
and protein. And I am probably a little less gung-ho about
introducing everything.  I would love a bagel (I think it sounds
good, just may not taste the same) and I could have one, but I
won't.  The reason for having my sleeve was so I could have
everything, but it didn't mean I was going to eat like I could have
everything.  KWIM?

My bloodwork has been good. I take my vitamin and thyroid meds
faithfully.   But I am confused about net carbs and things like
that.  Since I don't know I go by what the total is. I use my carb
book for fresh things (although I am not nearly as worried about
natual carbs as processed ones.)  I log the carbs, but I don't do a
running total like I do caloires and protein.  I know if I had
cereal, I am not going to have a protein bar or a protein shake the
same day.  I think that carbs are a rudder at this stage more than
anything.  They can direct where we go, but the engine is going to
determin how fast.


--- In AstronomicallyStunningVSGer@yahoogroups.com, "Sara"
<daeuse@...> wrote:
>
> As an employee of a bariatric Surgeon, I get annoyed by many
> individuals on OH who think they are so "All-knowing" about the
> advice to give people. Here's the 411, the majority of obesity
> surgery patients ARE NOT CORRECTLY FOLLOWED-UP by the Physicians
and
> Dietitians, therefore 1/2 of what they say is based on what they
> think they read, heard or thought.
>
> Now, I understand that there are others who are followed
> appropriately, but they do tend to be fewer.
>
> My dietitians tells me carbs okay in minimun amounts. Just be
> careful. Also, a Carb does not "count" as a carb if it is a protein
> source. Therefore, your amount of total Carbs/Day varies. You want
to
> stay under say 60 carbs, but you are not counting carbs from
protein
> shakes etc... The same is true of fats. For example, I sometiems
> snack on a few peanuts if I'm out and can't get my meal-time in.
The
> peanuts are a protein source for me therefore, they do not count as
a
> fat.
>
> Of course, I say this, but for you it may be different. I follow my
> diet with my dietitian. My doctor regularly checks my bloodwork and
> makes sure things are going well.
>

Hi and thanks for replying.  I am not a carb junkie any more. I
haven't been in years.  I know they love me.  I am taking in more
than a strict Atkin's but it still isn't much.  I watch them, but
know that right now my focus is on protein and water.  And I agree -
they are too easy to get in.  I am amazed at how fast they add up.  I
pay enough attention to them to forego the cereal and milk.  I want
the fiber and it is good cereal (Special K) but I can not to all the
carbs between the milk and cereal so I have been mixing it with
yogurt instead.  Lot less carbs and more protein.  Thick crunchy
cereal is....different...but it really isn't bad.

Thanks again!
Gwen

--- In AstronomicallyStunningVSGer@yahoogroups.com, "suninmyhair"
<suninmyhair@...> wrote:
>
>
> Carbs can be good carbs can be bad depends on the
> person and depends on the carbs.....As someone a year
> out( ex super morbidly obese at 371) i can tell you
> that you do indeed have to watch your carbs once you
> start eating solids again because carbs are easy to
> eat and u can easily eat way too many even with that
> tiny stomach. I can process sugar better than i can
> eat breads or wheat carbs....that is how my body
> works. Slow losers especially have to watch their carb
> intake...slow metabolisms are not carb efficient. Just
> the way it is. If you say walk 5 miles a day then u
> can eat more carbs but if u arent exercising then in
> order to lose weight you have to cut your carbs down
> and only eat them in the early part of the day. After
> the " Honeymoon" period is over its really important
> to watch and pay attention to your body and what it
> likes what it doesnt....U can get way stuck in a stall
> if you dont watch it and I am here to tell ya all
> about it LOL!!!
>
> VSG is not a magic cure for obesity it is a diet...a
> lifetime diet....one that you can do because u arent
> starving and because a small amount of food will go
> far...but beware....u can gain weight with VSG....and
> quickly. U have to follow the rules to be successful
> but its up to you what u put in your body. I dont
> think any of us stop struggling with our food
> obsessions completely but u cant for sure eat a tray
> of brownies in a sitting. If you have gone to all the
> trouble and expense of getting a VSG then of course u
> are going to be more aware of what you put in....once
> u have gotten to your goal weight u have the luxury of
> eating more carbs but until them yes u do have to
> limit them .
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In AstronomicallyStunningVSGer@yahoogroups.com, "Gwen"
> <pengwen13@> wrote:
> >
> > I am kind of turned off by a certain person on OH since I think
> that
> > they are too pushy when it comes to carbs.
> >
> > Maybe I am wrong, but I am going to have carbs and not fret over
> > every stinking one.  I log each and every carb though.  I range
> from
> > 30-60 (only higher than 60 once that I am sure of).  Some of the
> > supplements from my surgeon's office have quite a few carbs even,
> so
> > in the beginning I was at the mercy of taking in what ever just
to
> > get the protein and liquids in.
> >
> > I have had a few bites of non-healthy things.  Just to see what
it
> > would do. (I don't want to find out in a restaurant or at
someone's
> > home...unfortunately - no problems.) I honestly don't want to eat
> > anything yet, so my goal is not pleasure, but to just get in my
> > protein and water and I don't find time for much of anything
else -
> > like even veggies which I miss so much! Milk is higher in carbs
> than
> > I'd like, but I am not going to stop consuming that either.  So
for
> > someone to put their success on not eating more than 20 carbs or
> put
> > that the reason for slow loss is because of carbs bothers me.
> >
> > The same person has told me personally not to compare my weight
> loss
> > to others "everyone is different" blah, blah, blah, but I feel
> their
> > posts are "look at me and my weight loss. You too can have these
> > results if you don't eat carbs."  WELL.  The reason I decided on
> > surgery was to quit dieting.  If it is all about protein and
carbs,
> I
> > could have saved a lot of worry, time and pain by going back on
the
> > Atkins diet!
> >
> > And I feel that eating a healthy balance (and that means
eventually
> > not having so much artificial sweetener)-  but including some
> > (little) healthy carbs - is the idea here.  My NUT does not say
one
> > word about carbs other than only once all the protein water &
> veggies
> > are in. I have basically been on a low-carb diet for years so I
am
> > already used to not eating a lot of the bad things anyway.  I
also
> > feel that if I go to a strict low-carb diet that I will be
gaining
> > once I introduce them back in. This is a new way of eating for
the
> > rest of my life.  Not a diet during the "honeymoon" stage or to
get
> > it off as fast as possible then let me and my body fight it
out.....
> >
> > So do you thing my way of thinking this is wrong??  Am I setting
> > myself up for failure?  It isn't like I am not taking it
> seriously.
> > I'd like to think I am realistic and looking long term.  I don't
> want
> > to drop 150 lbs only to gain back 50 or more.  This is just
laying
> > the plans for the rest of my life.
> >
> > Thx! Gwen
> > (Also 2 more things.  I am a slow loser.  Don't know why.  I seem
> to
> > see a pattern. I lose for a few days and then hold for a few
days.
> > The days that I lose are almost always at least a lb if not more.
> And
> > I wanted to add that I feel a little PMS creeping up and that may
> be
> > why I am defensive).
> >
>

Hi Sara.

I am thinking that too.  I wish there was some plan to follow to help
find out what our perfect mix is.  My NUT says at least 60g of
protein/day.  I really think I need more like 80g.  But maybe there is
more of a ying and yang with calories.  Like 60g but only if you have
500 calories or less. And I know some say that they can't lose unless
they have carbs.  I read where someone needed 100+g of protein a day to
lose.  EEK!  I don't think I could do it without supplements.  I think
I could - and may - go back to just supplements for a while and give my
tummy a break.

I hear you about the exercise.  I try to get out at least 3x a week to
walk with my kids (since I have 3 kids who don't walk, I need someone
to go with though).  I have a membership to Curves and so want to go
back regularly.  DH's work has him on an irregular schedule right now
and he doesn't want a stranger here babysitting when he is home. (He is
on 2nd shift.  I am limited too.  I guess I need to find some exercise
DVDs.  I would love to try Tae Bo or alike...and Tai Chi.

Good luck to you!
Gwne



--- In AstronomicallyStunningVSGer@yahoogroups.com, "Sara" <daeuse@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Gwen,
>
> I'm with you. I've noticed what makes the biggest weight loss
different
> is not sugars/carbs etc... but rather, protein protein protein.
>
> Doesn't matter if I eat 70g carbs or 20 carbs. If I'm not getting my
> 80g protein in, then forget seeing the scale drop.
>
> Everyone's weight loss is different. Prior to my surgery, My doc told
> me my weight loss would be slower than most because I have a lot of
> peripheral weight. He said I would really need to focus on exercise.
>
> Sadly, being in school fulltime and working fulltime have discouraged
> much of my work-out sessions, but I am working on fixing that.
>

Yeah, Lisa.  I kind of figured ppl may, but people do what they feel
they need to.  I often think of them (that one and others) as the
Wizards of VSG. Write a book already!! LOL!!

I will not be one to jump at the opportunity to scold or be
defensive.  It does prevent me from posting much though.  I do have
to say I have notice that has calmed down a bit.

I am getting to the point where either my taste buds are changing or
I have had my fill of the same ol stuff.  I was all excited about
this tilapia I made.  It tastes like lake water to me.  That may be
because I've at a lot of tuna & salmon since I could have it.

I am going to have some watermelon, but I won't post it on OH. I'll
be lynched!!  hee, hee

Thanks for the reassurance that I am not totally off mark here!
Gwen



--- In AstronomicallyStunningVSGer@yahoogroups.com, LisaRN
<ladiesassie2@...> wrote:
>
> I totally agree with you Gwen....and ya know, I think I know who ur
talking about....no names tho...
> I count carbs to a point.... I dont write down numbers, dont even
count them....but I know pretty much what Im putting in my mouth...
> I dont do LOW carb...i do Lower carb...higher protein..
> If u get too much protein, thats bad for ur body systems....same
with too few carbs.. our body needs a healthy amount of both!  thats
the key to figuring this out..to being able to adjust to this new way
of eating...eating healthy, learning about good carbs, bad
carbs...good protein, bad protein...etc, etc..
> You have the right mindset...so dont worry about what others do or
say..Just do what is right for you...ur body will tell u.... The only
real advice i have for you is to not let urself get into a rut...vary
up ur "diet" from day to day...so that ur body doesnt get used to one
thing and stall on u.....for instance, one day, get 800 calories, the
next day, do 850, then drop back down to 825....see what Im saying?
Im not saying do those numbers exactly...it was just an example.. I
dont get the same number of calories, carbs, proteins, etc...from day
to day... Im almost 5 months out and havent yet had a stall.. Ive had
a cpl weeks that I gained..but that was completely what I was
eating... Ive not always made good choices...its been really hard to
learn to eat differently... Im a junk food eater...have been for 40
yrs...so its gonna take some time to get used to not eating it as
often...and nope, I havent given it up...and Im not going to.. but
Ive learned
>  moderation, finally!  whew..that was hard lol
> anyway...again...I totally agree with u...
> hugs
>
>
>  
>
>
> LisaRN
> My groups:
> Nurses Online
>
>
> --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Gwen <pengwen13@...> wrote:
>
> From: Gwen <pengwen13@...>
> Subject: [AstronomicallyStunningVSGer] Carbs - Question and
vent.... long (sorry!)
> To: AstronomicallyStunningVSGer@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 4:03 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I am kind of turned off by a certain person on OH since I think
that
> they are too pushy when it comes to carbs.
>
> Maybe I am wrong, but I am going to have carbs and not fret over
> every stinking one. I log each and every carb though. I range from
> 30-60 (only higher than 60 once that I am sure of). Some of the
> supplements from my surgeon's office have quite a few carbs even,
so
> in the beginning I was at the mercy of taking in what ever just to
> get the protein and liquids in.
>
> I have had a few bites of non-healthy things. Just to see what it
> would do. (I don't want to find out in a restaurant or at someone's
> home...unfortunatel y - no problems.) I honestly don't want to eat
> anything yet, so my goal is not pleasure, but to just get in my
> protein and water and I don't find time for much of anything else -
> like even veggies which I miss so much! Milk is higher in carbs
than
> I'd like, but I am not going to stop consuming that either. So for
> someone to put their success on not eating more than 20 carbs or
put
> that the reason for slow loss is because of carbs bothers me.
>
> The same person has told me personally not to compare my weight
loss
> to others "everyone is different" blah, blah, blah, but I feel
their
> posts are "look at me and my weight loss. You too can have these
> results if you don't eat carbs." WELL. The reason I decided on
> surgery was to quit dieting. If it is all about protein and carbs,
I
> could have saved a lot of worry, time and pain by going back on the
> Atkins diet!
>
> And I feel that eating a healthy balance (and that means eventually
> not having so much artificial sweetener)- but including some
> (little) healthy carbs - is the idea here. My NUT does not say one
> word about carbs other than only once all the protein water &
veggies
> are in. I have basically been on a low-carb diet for years so I am
> already used to not eating a lot of the bad things anyway. I also
> feel that if I go to a strict low-carb diet that I will be gaining
> once I introduce them back in. This is a new way of eating for the
> rest of my life. Not a diet during the "honeymoon" stage or to get
> it off as fast as possible then let me and my body fight it out.....
>
> So do you thing my way of thinking this is wrong?? Am I setting
> myself up for failure? It isn't like I am not taking it seriously.
> I'd like to think I am realistic and looking long term. I don't
want
> to drop 150 lbs only to gain back 50 or more. This is just laying
> the plans for the rest of my life.
>
> Thx! Gwen
> (Also 2 more things. I am a slow loser. Don't know why. I seem to
> see a pattern. I lose for a few days and then hold for a few days.
> The days that I lose are almost always at least a lb if not more.
And
> I wanted to add that I feel a little PMS creeping up and that may
be
> why I am defensive).
>

Hi Gwen,

I'm with you. I've noticed what makes the biggest weight loss different
is not sugars/carbs etc... but rather, protein protein protein.

Doesn't matter if I eat 70g carbs or 20 carbs. If I'm not getting my
80g protein in, then forget seeing the scale drop.

Everyone's weight loss is different. Prior to my surgery, My doc told
me my weight loss would be slower than most because I have a lot of
peripheral weight. He said I would really need to focus on exercise.

Sadly, being in school fulltime and working fulltime have discouraged
much of my work-out sessions, but I am working on fixing that.

As an employee of a bariatric Surgeon, I get annoyed by many
individuals on OH who think they are so "All-knowing" about the
advice to give people. Here's the 411, the majority of obesity
surgery patients ARE NOT CORRECTLY FOLLOWED-UP by the Physicians and
Dietitians, therefore 1/2 of what they say is based on what they
think they read, heard or thought.

Now, I understand that there are others who are followed
appropriately, but they do tend to be fewer.

My dietitians tells me carbs okay in minimun amounts. Just be
careful. Also, a Carb does not "count" as a carb if it is a protein
source. Therefore, your amount of total Carbs/Day varies. You want to
stay under say 60 carbs, but you are not counting carbs from protein
shakes etc... The same is true of fats. For example, I sometiems
snack on a few peanuts if I'm out and can't get my meal-time in. The
peanuts are a protein source for me therefore, they do not count as a
fat.

Of course, I say this, but for you it may be different. I follow my
diet with my dietitian. My doctor regularly checks my bloodwork and
makes sure things are going well.

Carbs can be good carbs can be bad depends on the
person and depends on the carbs.....As someone a year
out( ex super morbidly obese at 371) i can tell you
that you do indeed have to watch your carbs once you
start eating solids again because carbs are easy to
eat and u can easily eat way too many even with that
tiny stomach. I can process sugar better than i can
eat breads or wheat carbs....that is how my body
works. Slow losers especially have to watch their carb
intake...slow metabolisms are not carb efficient. Just
the way it is. If you say walk 5 miles a day then u
can eat more carbs but if u arent exercising then in
order to lose weight you have to cut your carbs down
and only eat them in the early part of the day. After
the " Honeymoon" period is over its really important
to watch and pay attention to your body and what it
likes what it doesnt....U can get way stuck in a stall
if you dont watch it and I am here to tell ya all
about it LOL!!!

VSG is not a magic cure for obesity it is a diet...a
lifetime diet....one that you can do because u arent
starving and because a small amount of food will go
far...but beware....u can gain weight with VSG....and
quickly. U have to follow the rules to be successful
but its up to you what u put in your body. I dont
think any of us stop struggling with our food
obsessions completely but u cant for sure eat a tray
of brownies in a sitting. If you have gone to all the
trouble and expense of getting a VSG then of course u
are going to be more aware of what you put in....once
u have gotten to your goal weight u have the luxury of
eating more carbs but until them yes u do have to
limit them .





--- In AstronomicallyStunningVSGer@yahoogroups.com, "Gwen"
<pengwen13@...> wrote:
>
> I am kind of turned off by a certain person on OH since I think
that
> they are too pushy when it comes to carbs.
>
> Maybe I am wrong, but I am going to have carbs and not fret over
> every stinking one.  I log each and every carb though.  I range
from
> 30-60 (only higher than 60 once that I am sure of).  Some of the
> supplements from my surgeon's office have quite a few carbs even,
so
> in the beginning I was at the mercy of taking in what ever just to
> get the protein and liquids in.
>
> I have had a few bites of non-healthy things.  Just to see what it
> would do. (I don't want to find out in a restaurant or at someone's
> home...unfortunately - no problems.) I honestly don't want to eat
> anything yet, so my goal is not pleasure, but to just get in my
> protein and water and I don't find time for much of anything else -
> like even veggies which I miss so much! Milk is higher in carbs
than
> I'd like, but I am not going to stop consuming that either.  So for
> someone to put their success on not eating more than 20 carbs or
put
> that the reason for slow loss is because of carbs bothers me.
>
> The same person has told me personally not to compare my weight
loss
> to others "everyone is different" blah, blah, blah, but I feel
their
> posts are "look at me and my weight loss. You too can have these
> results if you don't eat carbs."  WELL.  The reason I decided on
> surgery was to quit dieting.  If it is all about protein and carbs,
I
> could have saved a lot of worry, time and pain by going back on the
> Atkins diet!
>
> And I feel that eating a healthy balance (and that means eventually
> not having so much artificial sweetener)-  but including some
> (little) healthy carbs - is the idea here.  My NUT does not say one
> word about carbs other than only once all the protein water &
veggies
> are in. I have basically been on a low-carb diet for years so I am
> already used to not eating a lot of the bad things anyway.  I also
> feel that if I go to a strict low-carb diet that I will be gaining
> once I introduce them back in. This is a new way of eating for the
> rest of my life.  Not a diet during the "honeymoon" stage or to get
> it off as fast as possible then let me and my body fight it out.....
>
> So do you thing my way of thinking this is wrong??  Am I setting
> myself up for failure?  It isn't like I am not taking it
seriously.
> I'd like to think I am realistic and looking long term.  I don't
want
> to drop 150 lbs only to gain back 50 or more.  This is just laying
> the plans for the rest of my life.
>
> Thx! Gwen
> (Also 2 more things.  I am a slow loser.  Don't know why.  I seem
to
> see a pattern. I lose for a few days and then hold for a few days.
> The days that I lose are almost always at least a lb if not more.
And
> I wanted to add that I feel a little PMS creeping up and that may
be
> why I am defensive).
>

Hi Cindy!

When I stalled so early (starting 7 days out and only lost 8 lbs for
the rest of the month), I asked about carbs and the NUT said not to
worry.  That no matter how much I got in, my calorie intake was still
too low (under 400/day) for them to have a gaining affect on my
weight.  When I called, I was 4 weeks out. After posting this topic I
went and added my carbs up and I was getting less than 30 - usually
less than 20. SO my slow weight loss and stalls have nothing to do
with my carb intake.  It would be great if it were only that easy
though. :-)  Once I bumped up my calories and protein I started
losing more regularly.  I still stall about once every 4-5 days for
up to 4-5 days.  I have come to accept that is me.  So I am going to
continue to keep an eye on the carbs, but focus on water and
protein. :-P

Gwen


--- In AstronomicallyStunningVSGer@yahoogroups.com, Cindy Fullerton
<auntonion2001@...> wrote:
>
> My Dr's office says in the first about 3 months or so....just
concentrate on protein and water..and everything else will take care
of its self.
> I do watch tbem....but dont obsess. Sometimes I have saltines with
my tuna/chicken salad..but I can only eat 1 1/2 to 2 of them anyway.
And I eat the whole grain ones.
> The dietitian told us to just stay away from white carbs, and we
should be fine.
> I am still in the mushy stage...and can't eat much anyway.
> I assume when I have gotten a lot of weight off and get closer to
goal I may have to monitor things like that more closely...but for
now...I'm with you!
>
> --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Gwen <pengwen13@...> wrote:
> From: Gwen <pengwen13@...>
> Subject: [AstronomicallyStunningVSGer] Carbs - Question and
vent.... long (sorry!)
> To: AstronomicallyStunningVSGer@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 4:03 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>             I am kind of turned off by a certain person on OH since
I think that
>
> they are too pushy when it comes to carbs.
>
>
>
> Maybe I am wrong, but I am going to have carbs and not fret over
>
> every stinking one.  I log each and every carb though.  I range
from
>
> 30-60 (only higher than 60 once that I am sure of).  Some of the
>
> supplements from my surgeon's office have quite a few carbs even,
so
>
> in the beginning I was at the mercy of taking in what ever just to
>
> get the protein and liquids in.
>
>
>
> I have had a few bites of non-healthy things.  Just to see what it
>
> would do. (I don't want to find out in a restaurant or at someone's
>
> home...unfortunatel y - no problems.) I honestly don't want to eat
>
> anything yet, so my goal is not pleasure, but to just get in my
>
> protein and water and I don't find time for much of anything else -
>
> like even veggies which I miss so much! Milk is higher in carbs
than
>
> I'd like, but I am not going to stop consuming that either.  So for
>
> someone to put their success on not eating more than 20 carbs or
put
>
> that the reason for slow loss is because of carbs bothers me.
>
>
>
> The same person has told me personally not to compare my weight
loss
>
> to others "everyone is different" blah, blah, blah, but I feel
their
>
> posts are "look at me and my weight loss. You too can have these
>
> results if you don't eat carbs."  WELL.  The reason I decided on
>
> surgery was to quit dieting.  If it is all about protein and carbs,
I
>
> could have saved a lot of worry, time and pain by going back on the
>
> Atkins diet!
>
>
>
> And I feel that eating a healthy balance (and that means eventually
>
> not having so much artificial sweetener)-  but including some
>
> (little) healthy carbs - is the idea here.  My NUT does not say one
>
> word about carbs other than only once all the protein water &
veggies
>
> are in. I have basically been on a low-carb diet for years so I am
>
> already used to not eating a lot of the bad things anyway.  I also
>
> feel that if I go to a strict low-carb diet that I will be gaining
>
> once I introduce them back in. This is a new way of eating for the
>
> rest of my life.  Not a diet during the "honeymoon" stage or to get
>
> it off as fast as possible then let me and my body fight it out.....
>
>
>
> So do you thing my way of thinking this is wrong??  Am I setting
>
> myself up for failure?  It isn't like I am not taking it
seriously.
>
> I'd like to think I am realistic and looking long term.  I don't
want
>
> to drop 150 lbs only to gain back 50 or more.  This is just laying
>
> the plans for the rest of my life.
>
>
>
> Thx! Gwen
>
> (Also 2 more things.  I am a slow loser.  Don't know why.  I seem
to
>
> see a pattern. I lose for a few days and then hold for a few days.
>
> The days that I lose are almost always at least a lb if not more.
And
>
> I wanted to add that I feel a little PMS creeping up and that may
be
>
> why I am defensive).
>

I am kind of turned off by a certain person on OH since I think that
they are too pushy when it comes to carbs.

Maybe I am wrong, but I am going to have carbs and not fret over
every stinking one.  I log each and every carb though.  I range from
30-60 (only higher than 60 once that I am sure of).  Some of the
supplements from my surgeon's office have quite a few carbs even, so
in the beginning I was at the mercy of taking in what ever just to
get the protein and liquids in.

I have had a few bites of non-healthy things.  Just to see what it
would do. (I don't want to find out in a restaurant or at someone's
home...unfortunately - no problems.) I honestly don't want to eat
anything yet, so my goal is not pleasure, but to just get in my
protein and water and I don't find time for much of anything else -
like even veggies which I miss so much! Milk is higher in carbs than
I'd like, but I am not going to stop consuming that either.  So for
someone to put their success on not eating more than 20 carbs or put
that the reason for slow loss is because of carbs bothers me.

The same person has told me personally not to compare my weight loss
to others "everyone is different" blah, blah, blah, but I feel their
posts are "look at me and my weight loss. You too can have these
results if you don't eat carbs."  WELL.  The reason I decided on
surgery was to quit dieting.  If it is all about protein and carbs, I
could have saved a lot of worry, time and pain by going back on the
Atkins diet!

And I feel that eating a healthy balance (and that means eventually
not having so much artificial sweetener)-  but including some
(little) healthy carbs - is the idea here.  My NUT does not say one
word about carbs other than only once all the protein water & veggies
are in. I have basically been on a low-carb diet for years so I am
already used to not eating a lot of the bad things anyway.  I also
feel that if I go to a strict low-carb diet that I will be gaining
once I introduce them back in. This is a new way of eating for the
rest of my life.  Not a diet during the "honeymoon" stage or to get
it off as fast as possible then let me and my body fight it out.....

So do you thing my way of thinking this is wrong??  Am I setting
myself up for failure?  It isn't like I am not taking it seriously.
I'd like to think I am realistic and looking long term.  I don't want
to drop 150 lbs only to gain back 50 or more.  This is just laying
the plans for the rest of my life.

Thx! Gwen
(Also 2 more things.  I am a slow loser.  Don't know why.  I seem to
see a pattern. I lose for a few days and then hold for a few days.
The days that I lose are almost always at least a lb if not more. And
I wanted to add that I feel a little PMS creeping up and that may be
why I am defensive).

----- Original Message -----

From: Gwen

To: AstronomicallyStunningVSGer@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 9:21 AM

Subject: [AstronomicallyStunningVSGer] Hello Ladies!!

Where is everyone??

I have been MIA too. I got brave and decided to get into a craft
show....my first ever. I am making diaper cakes and lovie blankets
(well, if I ever get the diaper cakes done I will make lovie
blankets.) So that has taken a lot of my time. I am down to 1 big
cake to 'decorate' and 3 small to put together. Then I can move onto
my sewing machine....eek.

I will be 2 months out tomorrow and as of today (and yesterday.....
and the day before...and the day before that) I am down 29.2 lbs. I
really REALLY thought I'd beat my 1st month weight loss of 17 lbs.
Nope! 12.2. I hope there isn't a 5 lb difference each month. I will
be gaining before I hit 6 mos out. Man, I wish I knew what was up
with all these stalls! I know this fat has been with me along time,
but enough is enough. It has outstayed it's welcome....it was never
welcome anyway - it is a squatter. I'd think it'd be ticked at what
little I've been feeding it anyway and seek shelter elsewhere. Oh
well - eventually it will get a clue.

Hope y'all have a great weekend!!
Gwen

Where is everyone??

I have been MIA too.  I got brave and decided to get into a craft
show....my first ever.  I am making diaper cakes and lovie blankets
(well, if I ever get the diaper cakes done I will make lovie
blankets.)  So that has taken a lot of my time.  I am down to 1 big
cake to 'decorate' and 3 small to put together.  Then I can move onto
my sewing machine....eek.

I will be 2 months out tomorrow and as of today (and yesterday.....
and the day before...and the day before that) I am down 29.2 lbs.  I
really REALLY thought I'd beat my 1st month weight loss of 17 lbs.
Nope! 12.2.  I hope there isn't a 5 lb difference each month.  I will
be gaining before I hit 6 mos out.  Man, I wish I knew what was up
with all these stalls!  I know this fat has been with me along time,
but enough is enough. It has outstayed it's welcome....it was never
welcome anyway - it is a squatter.  I'd think it'd be ticked at what
little I've been feeding it anyway and seek shelter elsewhere.  Oh
well - eventually it will get a clue.

Hope y'all have a great weekend!!
Gwen

Thanks Sara,

    I am really happy with the progress I have made with losing weight
and changing my eatting habits. I am eatting healthier and working
out and that's what I will need to do for the rest of my life if I
want to lose weight and keep it off. I am ready for surgery and I
can't wait until Kaiser schedules my surgery.

Heather
HW: 333
OW: 329
CW: 297
GW: 296
Dr Dutta
Kaiser Fremont


--- In AstronomicallyStunningVSGer@yahoogroups.com, "Sara"
<daeuse@...> wrote:
>
> It's great to see you have such a great attitude toward your
surgery
> and the lifestyel changes.
>
> So many people argue the bougie size which is so rediculous. You
are
> either going to work the sleeve or not. You'll lose the weight, but
no
> matter what size bougie, or even the procedure you have done, the
> ultimate way to keep those pounds off is to change your lifestyle
in
> that first year.
>
> Remember, the sleeve (or bypass, or band, or etc.) are only tools
to
> help you get their. They won't keep you there unless you learn to
make
> it work for you!
>