Dear Members;
Some of you may have noticed a reduction in my postings to the ASk Pamela Yahoo
Group. I have been placing time into other literary pieces, one of which is a
book titled; "Thoughts Take Shape".
I have placed a sample of the book on a web site. The site also has more
information about my autistic eccentricities and gifts. Feel free to learn
more about austism through my eyes.
I anticipate more useful information coming your way via this Group, but in the
meantime, I will keep my nose to the grindstone and get some real meat and
potatoes served your way. (I just love the visuals that figures of speech can
provide. :)
PS: Much thanks to Group member Lauren for encouraging me to get more
information out to the autistic community! The link to the web site:
http://www.adoorin.com
As always, thanks for ASking!
Pamela Kluth
TracyAnne has provided an update in regards to the loss of her job
discussed in "Understanding the Culture of People".
Her challenging journey over the past year reflects personal growth
in leaps and bounds. The reason she needed to move on to a new job
is evident by what opened up for her on her path. I hope you enjoy
her update as much as I did.
Pamela Kluth
TracyAnne writes:
" you are right about all of that. thankyou for saying it. I was so
mad when i wrote.Im am sorry for my fit sometimes it comes out of
me.
I got a job that i like ALOT better. When i talked to the lady that
hired me I told her all about myself the best i could so I cold ask
for help so no more missunderstanding would happen.She made it clear
the she knew how i felt and her brother has what i have. Iv been
working with her for a while and she always coments on the good
parts
of the autism. She has given me so much inspiration! I dont know how
to express the happyness i feel. I also finished two weeks at the
other place so thay were not left high and dry. It worked out for
the
best. thay did not show any appreciation but i know thay were happy.
Thay would have had a hard two weeks if i would have. Thay made it
clear thay did not want me and I left it in my head that i did not
want to be there. This is the first time i was able to deal with
being treated like that and still stick it out with out lashing out.
I deffended my self like a 22 year old instead of a 6 year old got
my
point accross and did not burn any briges. i feel like the writting
and such with all the stuff i do has helped. I will keep trying to
get better. Thankyou Pamela"
Greetings to the ASk Pamela Group!
I received a question from Norah in Seattle that I wish to share. I
will respond to her later this week, but I felt members of this
group would appreciate reading how she so eloquently describes a
social dilemma common to many Autistic adults.
I wish to also let you know that I will be holding a workshop in the
Seattle area titled "Inside the Autistic Child" this Friday night,
November 16th. More details and registration can be found on the
MindSource Center web site:
http://www.mindsourcecenter.com/events.htm
Pamela
Norah writes:
About a year ago now, I was emailing with someone who
advises people with AS. I had
mentioned suspecting I have AS, and was talking about
socializing with some co-workers
one evening.
She told me ***under no circumstances*** should an
Aspie socialize with co-workers,
unless it is something absolutely required. She said
we shouldn't even go to lunch with
them if possible. The reason for this being, if we
are around co-workers for anything not
job related we might:
1. Offend someone by making a comment about someone
that we think is neutral but
they think is meant to be snarky or a putdown. (Since
I think I'm careful in the extreme
about what comments I make about anyone, I asked her
for an example. She mentioned
an Aspie she knew who said "Who's that woman over
there? She sure is fat!" at a company
party or picnic, in hearing of the president of the
company, and the woman she
commented on turned out to be his wife.)
2. Ramble on about something we are interested in but
no one else is.
3. Just in general, being around them might get them
to see what we're really like (in
other words, different or non-NT) and might make them
think less of us, making it harder
to work with them and maybe making them like us less,
which might mean we would be in
more danger of losing our jobs in, say, a recession or
something, even if there wasn't
anything definite we could be fired for.
At the time I was emailing with her, our company was
having monthly "morale" events
such as barbecues at a house owned by the president of
the company, a MLB game, and a
couple other things. I mentioned these to her, and
she said **no way** should I go to any
of these no matter how much I might want to. Well, if
I did have to go to the barbecue, I
should offer to help with something that would keep me
away from the others, and **keep
my mouth shut*** as much as possible. When I
mentioned the baseball game the
company had got tickets for, that was another no-no.
I mentioned liking baseball, and
she said that I might talk about it too much to
co-workers who'd just gone to socialize
and didn't know or care about the sport.
I haven't really stuck to her advice over the past
year, but then I don't get invited to much
so I don't really have to worry about it that much!
But nevertheless I was very hurt and
upset by this wholesale advice, as all Aspies are
different, just like all NT's, and I've met
some very outspoken NT's. The thing is, I don't
think I really do these kinds of things. I
don't talk about stuff when I see others aren't
interested. If I'm not sure, I don't talk much
at all except to comment. I know for the most part
what an offensive comment might be,
and would be very sensitive not to say something that
might hurt someone or get them
mad at me. And even NT's can say some things that
might be hurtful without the NT
meaning to hurt this person--this is part of being
human.
Anyway, we have the annual holiday party coming up in
about a month. It's at a fancy
downtown restaurant, so I can't volunteer to help with
something during the dinner unless
I get a job on the staff of the restaurant! lol I
don't have a partner or spouse, so right
away that is one thing that will mark me as different,
though I don't think everyone is in a
relationship right now so I might not be the only
person alone. I really don't want to go,
because not only will there be all my co-workers, but
clients! Scary! I'm worried I'll say
something in front of a client that will put our
company in a bad light and cause us to lose
business. Or I might somehow reveal something to the
owner or his wife or another
influential co-worker that might make them dislike me
and think twice about keeping me
on if we have a recession.
But I'm worried if I don't go, they will think less of
me anyway. The HR director is already
thinking less of me because I didn't volunteer to do
something that my own boss didn't
want me to do anyway. The owner is also accustomed
to giving out the holiday bonuses
at the party, and the rumor is that if you don't go to
the party you don't get the bonus.
(This may be only a rumor!)
How can I get out of going to this gracefully without
making anyone mad at me?
I recently received an update from TracyAnne that I wanted to share
with the group.
Tracy wrote me back in August because she was suffering from severe
neck pain due to the physical head rocking that came with her
increased anxiety levels.
Her news is positive and insightful as she shares how she is working
through the behavior change. Personally, I enjoy how she is
mathematically tracking her improvement. A similar method of
tracking is applied for growing and improving companies in the
business world. Tracey has naturally applied this skill to herself
and is stead-fast determined to make positive changes. Self-awareness/
mindfulness is evident in her progress. You go
girl~Pamela
Tracey writes;
"SO my stemming is a lot better. I have been working really hard on
my
anxiety and stress with a shrink. I also have been seeing a
chiropractor and massage therapist. I have also been using other
forms
of stemming like pamela told me to. I want everyone to know that i
have
been in a lot of pain but it has been worth it. Im starting to get
better. I can tell when im stemming. yes i know i it is weird i could
not tell when i rocked my head back and forth but i could not. I am
making progress with my social situations as well. me and my
therapist
have been practicing communication and so on. I used to rock my head
7
days a week and have bad social interaction at leat 4 out of 7 days a
week. 4/7 .571428571 57% of the time in a week i felt defensive i
have
dropped that to 2/7 .285714285 28% of the time i have dropped my
head
rocking or stemming down from 100% 7/7 or 1, to 1 day out of 7 1/7
or .142857142 or 14%
there is hope if you want it. It HURTS but it WORKS. The massage has
really helped to if you want massage to help you with this i just
want
you to know that the massage school gives good deals and it is good
work they know what they are doing. I want everyone to know you can
do
anything! Good luck"
Good words written by Tracy;
I'm still a victim in my own way. I have gotten over blaming my past
and my disabilities on what I could not accomplish. I have stopped
letting pain still my opportunities away. I still let people take my
power I lut them make me angry. I let them get under my skin.
I need to smile and walk away.
I need to see there weakness and be empathetic and strong in my own
mind.
I will learn to keep my mouth in check and not fall down to the
level of my enemy.
I need to not believe what I do not know for shore.
I need to not see other people as my enemy but as my equal. We as
people are all confused trying to find are way through this black
tunnel.
There is always a second order of reality to every situation.
There is always a higher road.
Its not what you end up with that matters in the end, its who you
are."
From Pamela;
Tracy, you are correct, I liked what you wrote-I placed your email
to the group into "Mantra form" to allow easy recital. (I did not
change your words)
For a long time I had a piece of paper taped to my bath room mirror
with the things I needed to be mindful of. It was my daily Mantra
until my words were naturally in sync with my actions. You have
reminded me I should start a new list for myself. I hope you do
the same with your comments.
I cannot tell a lie-what people with autism can tell us
Warmest Regards,
Lauren Culp, MFT, CD, CPD
www.LaurenCulp.com (310) 917-9969 Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist (with the Brain in Mind): Couples with children, Individuals (depression, anxiety, trauma, wellness, grief & loss): prenatal & postpartum moods, & fertility. Children & Teens. Parenting children with all kinds of minds.
I will be responding to TracyAnne's story and her question later this week. I
think most of you in this group will be able to
identify some of her gifts-
Pamela
From TracyAnne-I just need to tell somone:
Since I have been little I have not been able to stop rhythmic
movement. I was diagnosed with Aspergers a while ago. It was hard
enough not being able to make connections with people but I could not
really make myself unknown rocking my head back and forth all day
every day. It hurts when I don't move. I have to move some part of my
body. I have been made fun of all my life for this to a degree I cant
explain. Getting called crazy, stupid, and retarded. No body knew
what was wrong with me. I was smart but I could not fallow along in
school I would try so hard but because I could not fallow along with
the reading I was kicked out of regular class. My best subject was
math until 5th grade for this reason. They would take me out of math
or out of regular schooling as often as possible. Miss holiday I hope
you read this because you are the worst teacher I have ever had. She
told my mother that she did not want to take the extra time to
explain what I could not understand by reading in math. She told my
mom I should be in "special classes". She said she did not become a
teacher to deal with kinds like me she just wanted to teach "normal"
kid's. The worst part is after I left 5th grade I had students that
were in her class tell me the stories she would tell about me to her
new class. My mom was mentally ill and a alcoholic on top of it. My
dad left my mom for her problems along with me for that time. After I
hit about 14 my mom tried to kill her self again. She went nuts she
told my family I was beating her witch was not true. I lived on the
streets for about a year. When I came back I lived with my dad for
the first time. After 2 weeks he put me in a mental intuition with
drug attics, bipolar, people that would see things. They locked me in
a white room for 3 days once. After I got out I got my first brake I
lived with a Mexican family. Debbie was the mom she told me 1 to
drink lots of water. 2 to do my best with everything and last 3 work
hard focus on you self and remember I love you. She died when I was
18. My dad and me don't talk he does not even invite me or let me
come over for Christmas. He is remarried and has "normal" step kids.
My mom is better now she is a lot better. Im 21 now my neck hurts a
lot I still can not stop moving it. I'm in pain It helps when I have
weight on my neck or on a belt for my legs. I'm sick of hurting no
one understanding me and most people jugging me for what they do not
know. That does not stop me though I have graduated cosmetology
school, phlebotomy school, I just got my CNA and im going to go to
college to be a nurse. Miss holiday half you normal kids did not even
get there GED and do drugs all day. You call me the stupid one ha.
Anyway I was wondering if you know of anyone that sells weights that
I could use to help before my neck falls off.
As a child, my autistic wiring brought me incapacities to function
in ways that come naturally to most others. As an adult, it brings
me high functioning abilities in areas that do not come easily to
most others.
When I meet other AS children, I feel a familiar resonance.
Many of them feel like an un-tapped power house maintained by a
keeper that knows little of the controls and functionality of its
facility. To exasperate this perplexity, those we learn and mirror
ourselves with typically know little about our facility because they
are not wired in the same manner as us. Herein lays the biggest
disadvantage to our differences.
To master the controls of my facility and put to use my capacity
required several key elements;
1) A safe place to conduct observation of the world and those in it.
2) Alone time to download and channel information.
3) My natural ability to analytically process combined with a "tool"
that helped me cope and make sense of worldly information.
4) An understanding of my strengths, weaknesses and gifts.
I was like many autistic kids are today; highly sensitive to sounds,
smells, touch and tastes; I had great difficulties regulating myself
in chaotic or a stressful environment, so my way of coping was to
primarily disassociate myself from everyone and everything. As
incapacitating these sensitivities can be, the Grace I see in many
of us is in the abilities and gifts that often co-exist along side
these weaknesses.
I was a scientist in the rough; wired to solve problems; intense
focus abilities with certain subjects; attention to details and
memorization skills. Combine all this with a preference for
routine and order in a chaotic world and I was pre-wired to make
this world and my ability to function within it one big scientific
experiment. Do I sound like a child you know?
My point is; I see in many Autistics the ability to ease the areas
of our discomforts. If caregivers assist by providing a favorable
environment with tools that work with our strengths, we can work
toward functioning at our highest capacity and make use of our gifts
or strengths that are often not present in people classified as
neurotypical.
For me, if I had not found a level of comfort with the world, my
gifted ability to memorize complicated technical data and
systematically run math calculations in my head, would never had
bore fruit as it did for my successful career in engineering. Had
I not observed, systematically classified and labeled the vast
amount of emotions that drive people's actions, I would not be able
to intuitively "read" people with the accuracy I demonstrate today.
Solving the problem of my discomfort with the world required an
environment that was advantageous to putting my strengths to work
combined with a method to organize the enormous amount of
information the world expresses. I will talk about the method that
worked for me in a future article, but I believe the first step for
any autistic is to know specifically what comes easy and naturally
to them. In doing so, when tools are suggested you will know if
that solution resonates correctly for the difficulties you are
working to overcome.
I've never been diagnosed with autism, but I've always thought there
was something wrong with me. My family insists that I hardly ever
cried when I was a child (I am the oldest child--and therefore I was
the only child for a while--so my parents may or may not have been
aware of what was "normal" for a kid). I never played with toys or
used my imagination, not even as I got older. However, I had no
problem learning to speak and I was reading by age 3.
As I got older, however, other things emerged. I was a sterling
student, getting straight A's without effort. However, I could never
follow what was going on in class (I had, and still have, a hard time
following people when they're speaking to me). But it didn't seem to
matter. I could always do the work perfectly, as if I were born
understanding it; I never had to "learn" anything (this was true all
the way through college).
However, I wouldn't speak at all at school. It wasn't until several
years later that I ever made a friend at, or outside, school (of
course, it didn't help that I didn't "play" at recess). I've never
been social, but I'm definitely not "phobic." I've known a couple
people who have phobias about being around lots of people. I'm
clearly not phobic, as I have no fear or anxiety about being around
other people. However, I do have trouble engaging with people--having
a conversation with them, making eye contact, etc.
I've always been very, very literal-minded, to the point that it took
me three years to learn to drive because I couldn't understand that,
to turn the car 90 degrees, you had to turn the steering wheel MORE
than 90 degrees (why couldn't be exactly 90 degrees?). I could never
"get into" science fiction, cartoons, or anything that wasn't "real"
or couldn't possibly be "real." To this day, I still have to ask for
clarification when someone uses a colloquialism, though I'm a native
English speaker. I always had an issue with idioms in English, though
my vocabulary was always quite strong. I've gotten better with time,
but I still have difficulties with idiomatic English.
Additionally, I CANNOT STAND NOISE! At all. I carry earplugs around
with me in my purse. Nothing reduces me to tears faster than to have
to hear something for a prolonged amount of time. Noise is very
painful for me. The noise at the grocery store or mall (or any public
place for that matter) disorients me and I end up feeling like I'm
going to have a nervous breakdown or pass out. My husband--wonderful
man that he is--has caught on to my noise sensitivity (though I often
have to ask him to lower his voice when he speaks to me, even though
he's never yelling...but it's always too loud for me) and knows when I
need to move to a less stimulating environment.
There are more "symptoms" but I'll stop here. What do you think?
Could I be autistic?