May I ask what a EGC setting is ?  My son was just diagonsed this year and I am
still new to alot of the terms.

   My son has been moved to a special team that has a "Special" Education teacher
in the room most of the time for guidance.  He is still in a regular classroom,
he just has an extra set of eyes in the room.   His behavior has seemed to
become worse lately, Im not sure if it is because he is now diaganosed as AS and
they are now wanting to call more attention to it or if it is because he is 13
and going through those teenage changes that we all go through.


   Terri Latshaw


Tammy Bones <wileyecyot79@...> wrote:
           I would think it would be a good excuse to give him the same
opportunities as others. My son is AS and has been given so much. He excells in
many areas and though he is in an egc program right now the goal is to get him
back into the regular classroom setting asap. We are dealing with behavioral
problems right now but with the help of the egc setting and trying to help him
to understand boundries at home we have the hope that he will get back to the
regular classroom very soon. AS children are very intelligent there is no reason
for such a dx to hold them back in any way.
Tam

Terri Latshaw <terrilatshaw@...> wrote:
Thank you for the advice. I do not "hide" the fact that he has "AS" from him or
anyone close to him. I just wonder if sometimes it is used as an excuse not to
give him the same opportunities as the other students.

Terri Latshaw

"Adam (\"Griff\") Sanford" <gryph@...> wrote:
Terri Latshaw wrote:
>
>
> Thank you for sharing this with the group, this provides support and
> encouragement for me as I am raising my 13 year old son with AS. Can
> tell me if not be diagonsed for all of those years helped you or not ?
> by not being diagnosed, did it make it worse for you not knowing why you
> were different ? or was it somewhat easier not being labeled ?

I wasn't diagnosed until I was 30, and I wish I had known when I was 3.
Not being able to explain why I was so weird plagued me, screwed up my
relationships and friendship, and generally made me the butt of abuse
and torment from many areas, including those who should have known
better (like teachers).

Ignorance is NEVER bliss. Tell your son that he's AS. Don't hide it from
him; you'll be doing him a major disservice if you do.

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Well, the point of a dx is precisely the oppposite. It enables
accommodation to LEVEL the playing field and EMPOWER the individual
with AS to GIVE them the opportunities they are otherwise unreasonably
excluded from, usually based on negative NT impressions of behaviour or
unique thinking or communication.

If professionals in your environment are using it to exclude him, then
they are doing it all wrong, evidencing either ignorance or
incompetence (or both), and that should be corrected ASAP.

Shannon :-)


Terri Latshaw <terrilatshaw@...> wrote:
Thank you for the advice. I do not "hide" the fact that he has "AS"
from him or anyone close to him. I just wonder if sometimes it is used
as an excuse not to give him the same opportunities as the other
students.

I would think it would be a good excuse to give him the same opportunities as
others. My son is AS and has been given so much. He excells in many areas and
though he is in an egc program right now the goal is to get him back into the
regular classroom setting asap. We are dealing with behavioral problems right
now but with the help of the egc setting and trying to help him to understand
boundries at home we have the hope that he will get back to the regular
classroom very soon. AS children are very intelligent there is no reason for
such a dx to hold them back in any way.
   Tam

Terri Latshaw <terrilatshaw@...> wrote:
           Thank you for the advice. I do not "hide" the fact that he has "AS"
from him or anyone close to him. I just wonder if sometimes it is used as an
excuse not to give him the same opportunities as the other students.

Terri Latshaw

"Adam (\"Griff\") Sanford" <gryph@...> wrote:
Terri Latshaw wrote:
>
>
> Thank you for sharing this with the group, this provides support and
> encouragement for me as I am raising my 13 year old son with AS. Can
> tell me if not be diagonsed for all of those years helped you or not ?
> by not being diagnosed, did it make it worse for you not knowing why you
> were different ? or was it somewhat easier not being labeled ?

I wasn't diagnosed until I was 30, and I wish I had known when I was 3.
Not being able to explain why I was so weird plagued me, screwed up my
relationships and friendship, and generally made me the butt of abuse
and torment from many areas, including those who should have known
better (like teachers).

Ignorance is NEVER bliss. Tell your son that he's AS. Don't hide it from
him; you'll be doing him a major disservice if you do.

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A huge discussion about Introverts vs Extroverts
in business and life really, I think, about AS vs NT:

<http://techrepublic.com.com/5206-6230-0.html;
jsessionid=pTfj5nS9omaVqwDY8q?forumID=8
&threadID=182071&start=0>

     Thank you for thinking about this,
     Mircea Pauca, Bucuresti, Romania

Thank you for the advice.  I do not "hide" the fact that he has "AS" from him or
anyone close to him.  I just wonder if sometimes it is used as an excuse not to
give him the same opportunities as the other students.

   Terri Latshaw

"Adam (\"Griff\") Sanford" <gryph@...> wrote:
           Terri Latshaw wrote:
>
>
> Thank you for sharing this with the group, this provides support and
> encouragement for me as I am raising my 13 year old son with AS. Can
> tell me if not be diagonsed for all of those years helped you or not ?
> by not being diagnosed, did it make it worse for you not knowing why you
> were different ? or was it somewhat easier not being labeled ?

I wasn't diagnosed until I was 30, and I wish I had known when I was 3.
Not being able to explain why I was so weird plagued me, screwed up my
relationships and friendship, and generally made me the butt of abuse
and torment from many areas, including those who should have known
better (like teachers).

Ignorance is NEVER bliss. Tell your son that he's AS. Don't hide it from
him; you'll be doing him a major disservice if you do.

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I got it thanx....=)

Terri Latshaw <terrilatshaw@...> wrote:          Sorry, I do not have the
original post to this one.

Terri Latshaw


Tammy Bones <wileyecyot79@...> wrote:
Maybe someone can help me I am looking for the original post on this subject.
The subject line interested me and I don't see the original post just this
response.
Thank you
Tam

Terri Latshaw <terrilatshaw@...> wrote:
That's awsome.

Jim Hoerner <jim_hoerner@...> wrote:
My son won the spelling bee in his class today.

Best regards,
Jim

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Maybe you aren't here anymore, but I think this is
ridiculous.  Your man sounds ideal and instead of
accepting him, cherishing him, and loving him as he is
you want to diagnose him with something, possibly get
him on drugs because of a few quirks?

Again I say: It's not that serious.  Thank your lucky
stars you have a good intelligent man; everybody
doesn't.

*THIS* is why NTs and Aspies should not mix.  The NT
is always trying to "fix" the Aspie, instead of just
accepting them as they are.  Who's going to fix the
NT?


--- Proud Parent <proudparent101@...> wrote:

> Shannon,
>
> I would like to thank you and the one or two other
> people who seemed to take my concerns serious.  With
> comments like:
>
> Um.. it's really not that serious.
> or
> Compare him to other men who drink and use women
> or
> are those things really important
>
> I can't believe some of the responses.  So again,
> tbank you Shannon.  I will be getting the book you
> suggessted and am removing myself from this group as
> this does not seem to be something that I should be
> bothering others with.  I'm sorry for the intrusion.
> --- Shannon T Ahern <shannon_terra@...> wrote:
>
> > I don't know why this email *just* came thorugh
> > Yahoo NOW, but it's
> > very interesting.
> >
> > I think your gentleman is definitely a candidate
> for
> > a diagnosis. He
> > sounds lovely (to me!).
> >
> > I would perhaps get a couple of books for him to
> > read (specifically
> > Liane Holiday Willey's "Pretending to be Normal").
> > Then I would
> > encourage him to get a formal diagnosis, mostly
> > because interacting
> > with a qualified professional can help him better
> > understand himself
> > and also may end up being a useful resource for
> YOU,
> > as well, if you
> > are going to pursue this relationship.
> >
> > DO NOT go to someone who is inexperienced with
> > autsim spectrum
> > disorders, and do NOT go to one of the bozos out
> > there who thinks
> > adults can't be diagnosed or that AS is
> > over-diagnosed. One of those
> > people will really screw things up. You need a
> > professional who has a
> > good reputation within the autistic community who
> > doesn't have any
> > preconceived notions.
> >
> > If you can manage the communication challenges,
> and
> > he will surely do
> > his best, but the accommodation will need to come
> > from your side for
> > the most part, you can probably have a wonderful
> > relationship with this
> > man. The thing is, it's a matter of his developing
> > compensating
> > strategies (such as notes in the car, you see),
> > because neurotypical
> > communication will NEVER EVER be inherently part
> of
> > his functioning. He
> > can learn routines and rituals that can emulate
> > neurotypical
> > expectations, but you just have to know that it
> will
> > not be perfect,
> > probably not generalized to different situations
> > than the one he
> > learned a given response in, and not always
> > successful.
> >
> > Good luck!!
> >
> > Shannon :-)  [formal dx AS, 39; mom to AS son, 14]
> > --- K Norton <proudparent101@...> wrote:
> >
> > > I've been dating a 40 year old man for about 4
> > months.  At first I
> > > was struck by the fact that he never got mad -
> in
> > bad traffic, in
> > > sports, during chaos at work, he just never got
> > mad.  I was so
> > > impressed.  He is a very nice man and so smart.
> > He is very
> > > successful with his job, has a home - everything
> > seemed normal.  He
> > > told me early on that he had trouble with
> emotions
> > and in
> > > relationships and as long as I told him there
> was
> > a problem, he would
> > >
> > > fix it.  I liked that he was so upfront.  As
> time
> > has passed though,
> > > things just haven't seemed right.
> > > He likes to be home in his routine.  I like the
> > slow pace, so that
> > > was fine.  He would joke about being OCD and he
> > gets fixated on two
> > > of his hobbies.  He could quote the statistics
> of
> > all the different
> > > brands of tires available for his car.  I
> started
> > thinking, he's a
> > > little too obsessed with his car.  He forgets
> > conversations we had 10
> > >
> > > minutes ago and then seems to have no clue what
> is
> > wrong.  If I got
> > > quiet for any reason, he started having what he
> > calls anxiety attacks
> > >
> > > about doing what is right.
> > > 2 weeks ago, I had major surgery.  He took me to
> > the hospital and
> > > brought me home, but he had no clue as to how to
> > care for me.  At
> > > first, I thought he was being very insensitive.
> I
> > was not doing well
> > >
> > > and he patted my arm and said goodbye, call me
> if
> > you need anything.
> > >
> > > He's like a robot and takes everything so
> > literally.  Even my 10 year
> > >
> > > old son had to explain a joke to him, then after
> > it was explained, he
> > >
> > > kind of laughed, but still didn't seem to get
> it.
> > I told him I was
> > > so cold, I was going to freeze and he very
> > seriously explained to me
> > > that it wasn't possible for me to freeze.
> > > We agreed not to exchange Christmas presents and
> > to just let
> > > Christmas be about my son having a good day.  He
> > said he was so glad
> > > because Christmas and trying to buy gifts for
> > people made him have
> > > those anxiety feelings.  My son gave him a Hot
> > Wheel car though - it
> > > was this man's favorite car.  My son said since
> he
> > couldn't have the
> > > real thing, he'd give him that.  He just opened
> > it,looked at it for a
> > >
> > > minute then put it down without a smile or a
> thank
> > you.
> > > I can't take it anymore.  The day after
> Christmas,
> > I told him things
> > > weren't normal.  I even made a list off the odd
> > things that
> > > happened.  When I told him, he was shocked.  He
> > said, "I told you I
> > > don't read people well but I'll do whatever I
> need
> > me to".  I thought
> > >
> > > I was going crazy until my sister saw a couple
> of
> > incidents.  She
> > > knows he labels things, like puts notes in his
> car
> > to make sure he
> > > puts on his seat belt and turns the lights off.
> > She did some
> > > research and came up with A.S.  It sounds so
> > unreal, but I don't know
> > >
> > > what else to think.  He doesn't have any
> children
> > of his own and is
> > > divorced.  He stays friends with his ex and her
> > family because they
> > > feel bad that he doesn't have a lot of friends.
> > He told me their
> > > marriage ended because he couldn't communicate.
> > > Am I over analizing this?  Could a 40 year old
> man
> > make it through
> > > life without being told he has a problem like
> > this?  I've tried to be
> > >
> > > patient and understanding, but now it's like I
> > have two 10 year
> > > olds.  Any insight would be appreciated.  If his
> > behavior seems
> > > extreme, who should he see if I can convince him
> > that he should see a
> > >
> > > doctor.  HELP
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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Terri Latshaw wrote:
>
>
> Thank you for sharing this with the group, this provides support and
> encouragement for me as I am raising my 13 year old son with AS. Can
> tell me if not be diagonsed for all of those years helped you or not ?
> by not being diagnosed, did it make it worse for you not knowing why you
> were different ? or was it somewhat easier not being labeled ?

I wasn't diagnosed until I was 30, and I wish I had known when I was 3.
Not being able to explain why I was so weird plagued me, screwed up my
relationships and friendship, and generally made me the butt of abuse
and torment from many areas, including those who should have known
better (like teachers).

Ignorance is NEVER bliss. Tell your son that he's AS. Don't hide it from
him; you'll be doing him a major disservice if you do.

Griff
--
Don't believe everything you think.

Sorry, I do not have the original post to this one.

   Terri Latshaw


Tammy Bones <wileyecyot79@...> wrote:
           Maybe someone can help me I am looking for the original post on this
subject. The subject line interested me and I don't see the original post just
this response.
Thank you
Tam

Terri Latshaw <terrilatshaw@...> wrote:
That's awsome.

Jim Hoerner <jim_hoerner@...> wrote:
My son won the spelling bee in his class today.

Best regards,
Jim

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Thank you for sharing this with the group, this provides support and
encouragement for me as I am raising my 13 year old son with AS.   Can tell me
if not be diagonsed for all of those years helped you or not ? by not being
diagnosed, did it make it worse for you not knowing why you were different ? or
was it somewhat easier not being labeled ?

   Terri Latshaw


Kathy <rollerprincessfrog@...> wrote:
           Hello, my name is Kathy and I am new to the group. I was diagnosed
with AS approximately a year ago when I went to see a therapist for
mood swings. I have known that I was "different" (as I put it when
I was growing up, a square peg in a round hole) since early
childhood. I had a lot of social problems throughout school
although I did well academically. I also had and continue to have
problems understanding humor and taking people literally instead of
cueing in on their body language and nonverbal expression. My eye-
hand coordination is essentially nonexistant.

The AS diagnosis for me was a revelation that helped me to put into
perspective both my personal strengths and limitations. I think
some people with AS can get through life without ever needing a
diagnosis - my father, who also fits the criteria for AS, is a
professor who surrounds himself with other intellectuals and has
never really cared about whether he "fit in" or not. He does not
see himself as having any difficulty functioning because he doesn't
value social skill. I, on the other hand, have spent most of my
life trying to cognitively figure out how to connect with people
since I don't seem to have the instincts to do so. (By the end of
the day I am generally exhausted from having to be so alert all
day).

I am currently working as a Vocational Rehabilitation Counselor; my
job is to assist people who have disabilities to succeed in the
world of work. Although it requires a lot of effort for me to build
a rapport with the people I assist, it is worth it when I see other
people who don't fit into the mainstream of society realize their
career goals and feel better about themselves. However, I do find
that after spending all day around people I don't have any energy or
desire left to participate in any social functions. This can be
hard for my NT husband, who enjoys having people over or going to
parties and social events.

Sorry to ramble on so much... I just had coffee :-)

Smiles,

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Adam  Wilder here, I've  recently  joined  this  list as,  I've   been
a  member  of  the  Autistic Spectrum,  more  specifically  Aspergers
whereabouts, I've  encountered  my share  of  ups  & down in various
manners  of  life and  all.Anyways, I  hope to find  support  as  well,
share  ideas,thoughts,opinions  on  many  issues and concerns  facing
the  autistic  community  these days.

Sincerely,
Adam Wilder

If you're still here:

I'm sorry you feel that way.  However, just remember that a lot of
people here are tired of being pathologized for just being who we are,
especially since we tend to have good intentions.

Marcie

Congrats to him, I know how proud you must be my son went all the way to state
last year and although he didn't win or place at state I couldn't have been
prouder of him. Just goes to show how much our aspie kids are capable of. I see
them reaching for the stars...=)
   Tam

Terri Latshaw <terrilatshaw@...> wrote:
           That's awsome.



Jim Hoerner <jim_hoerner@...> wrote:
My son won the spelling bee in his class today.

Best regards,
Jim

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Shannon,

I would like to thank you and the one or two other
people who seemed to take my concerns serious.  With
comments like:

Um.. it's really not that serious.
or
Compare him to other men who drink and use women
or
are those things really important

I can't believe some of the responses.  So again,
tbank you Shannon.  I will be getting the book you
suggessted and am removing myself from this group as
this does not seem to be something that I should be
bothering others with.  I'm sorry for the intrusion.
--- Shannon T Ahern <shannon_terra@...> wrote:

> I don't know why this email *just* came thorugh
> Yahoo NOW, but it's
> very interesting.
>
> I think your gentleman is definitely a candidate for
> a diagnosis. He
> sounds lovely (to me!).
>
> I would perhaps get a couple of books for him to
> read (specifically
> Liane Holiday Willey's "Pretending to be Normal").
> Then I would
> encourage him to get a formal diagnosis, mostly
> because interacting
> with a qualified professional can help him better
> understand himself
> and also may end up being a useful resource for YOU,
> as well, if you
> are going to pursue this relationship.
>
> DO NOT go to someone who is inexperienced with
> autsim spectrum
> disorders, and do NOT go to one of the bozos out
> there who thinks
> adults can't be diagnosed or that AS is
> over-diagnosed. One of those
> people will really screw things up. You need a
> professional who has a
> good reputation within the autistic community who
> doesn't have any
> preconceived notions.
>
> If you can manage the communication challenges, and
> he will surely do
> his best, but the accommodation will need to come
> from your side for
> the most part, you can probably have a wonderful
> relationship with this
> man. The thing is, it's a matter of his developing
> compensating
> strategies (such as notes in the car, you see),
> because neurotypical
> communication will NEVER EVER be inherently part of
> his functioning. He
> can learn routines and rituals that can emulate
> neurotypical
> expectations, but you just have to know that it will
> not be perfect,
> probably not generalized to different situations
> than the one he
> learned a given response in, and not always
> successful.
>
> Good luck!!
>
> Shannon :-)  [formal dx AS, 39; mom to AS son, 14]
> --- K Norton <proudparent101@...> wrote:
>
> > I've been dating a 40 year old man for about 4
> months.  At first I
> > was struck by the fact that he never got mad - in
> bad traffic, in
> > sports, during chaos at work, he just never got
> mad.  I was so
> > impressed.  He is a very nice man and so smart.
> He is very
> > successful with his job, has a home - everything
> seemed normal.  He
> > told me early on that he had trouble with emotions
> and in
> > relationships and as long as I told him there was
> a problem, he would
> >
> > fix it.  I liked that he was so upfront.  As time
> has passed though,
> > things just haven't seemed right.
> > He likes to be home in his routine.  I like the
> slow pace, so that
> > was fine.  He would joke about being OCD and he
> gets fixated on two
> > of his hobbies.  He could quote the statistics of
> all the different
> > brands of tires available for his car.  I started
> thinking, he's a
> > little too obsessed with his car.  He forgets
> conversations we had 10
> >
> > minutes ago and then seems to have no clue what is
> wrong.  If I got
> > quiet for any reason, he started having what he
> calls anxiety attacks
> >
> > about doing what is right.
> > 2 weeks ago, I had major surgery.  He took me to
> the hospital and
> > brought me home, but he had no clue as to how to
> care for me.  At
> > first, I thought he was being very insensitive.  I
> was not doing well
> >
> > and he patted my arm and said goodbye, call me if
> you need anything.
> >
> > He's like a robot and takes everything so
> literally.  Even my 10 year
> >
> > old son had to explain a joke to him, then after
> it was explained, he
> >
> > kind of laughed, but still didn't seem to get it.
> I told him I was
> > so cold, I was going to freeze and he very
> seriously explained to me
> > that it wasn't possible for me to freeze.
> > We agreed not to exchange Christmas presents and
> to just let
> > Christmas be about my son having a good day.  He
> said he was so glad
> > because Christmas and trying to buy gifts for
> people made him have
> > those anxiety feelings.  My son gave him a Hot
> Wheel car though - it
> > was this man's favorite car.  My son said since he
> couldn't have the
> > real thing, he'd give him that.  He just opened
> it,looked at it for a
> >
> > minute then put it down without a smile or a thank
> you.
> > I can't take it anymore.  The day after Christmas,
> I told him things
> > weren't normal.  I even made a list off the odd
> things that
> > happened.  When I told him, he was shocked.  He
> said, "I told you I
> > don't read people well but I'll do whatever I need
> me to".  I thought
> >
> > I was going crazy until my sister saw a couple of
> incidents.  She
> > knows he labels things, like puts notes in his car
> to make sure he
> > puts on his seat belt and turns the lights off.
> She did some
> > research and came up with A.S.  It sounds so
> unreal, but I don't know
> >
> > what else to think.  He doesn't have any children
> of his own and is
> > divorced.  He stays friends with his ex and her
> family because they
> > feel bad that he doesn't have a lot of friends.
> He told me their
> > marriage ended because he couldn't communicate.
> > Am I over analizing this?  Could a 40 year old man
> make it through
> > life without being told he has a problem like
> this?  I've tried to be
> >
> > patient and understanding, but now it's like I
> have two 10 year
> > olds.  Any insight would be appreciated.  If his
> behavior seems
> > extreme, who should he see if I can convince him
> that he should see a
> >
> > doctor.  HELP
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>




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Hello, my name is Kathy and I am new to the group.  I was diagnosed
with AS approximately a year ago when I went to see a therapist for
mood swings.  I have known that I was "different" (as I put it when
I was growing up, a square peg in a round hole) since early
childhood.  I had a lot of social problems throughout school
although I did well academically.  I also had and continue to have
problems understanding humor and taking people literally instead of
cueing in on their body language and nonverbal expression.  My eye-
hand coordination is essentially nonexistant.

The AS diagnosis for me was a revelation that helped me to put into
perspective both my personal strengths and limitations.  I think
some people with AS can get through life without ever needing a
diagnosis - my father, who also fits the criteria for AS, is a
professor who surrounds himself with other intellectuals and has
never really cared about whether he "fit in" or not.  He does not
see himself as having any difficulty functioning because he doesn't
value social skill.  I, on the other hand, have spent most of my
life trying to cognitively figure out how to connect with people
since I don't seem to have the instincts to do so.  (By the end of
the day I am generally exhausted from having to be so alert all
day).

I am currently working as a Vocational Rehabilitation Counselor; my
job is to assist people who have disabilities to succeed in the
world of work.  Although it requires a lot of effort for me to build
a rapport with the people I assist, it is worth it when I see other
people who don't fit into the mainstream of society realize their
career goals and feel better about themselves.  However, I do find
that after spending all day around people I don't have any energy or
desire left to participate in any social functions.  This can be
hard for my NT husband, who enjoys having people over or going to
parties and social events.

Sorry to ramble on so much... I just had coffee :-)

Smiles,

Kathy

Maybe someone can help me I am looking for the original post on this subject.
The subject line interested me and I don't see the original post just this
response.
   Thank you
   Tam

Terri Latshaw <terrilatshaw@...> wrote:
           That's awsome.



Jim Hoerner <jim_hoerner@...> wrote:
My son won the spelling bee in his class today.

Best regards,
Jim

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Hello all,

                      www.lookingupautism.org

            Just a quick note to say that the latest issue of my 40-page
monthly international autism newsletter, Looking Up, is out now. Each month,
we publish the most recent research findings, news and views from the world
of autism.

             The latest issue includes:

DONNA WILLIAMS, the celebrated Australian author, herself autistic, pays
tribute to BERNARD RIMLAND - the man largely responsible for debunking the
terribly damaging 'refrigerator mother' theory - who died on November 21,
2006.

AUTISM IN ASIA:

India: Interview with MERRY BARUA, director of the Delhi-based Action for
Autism, after the opening of the National Centre for Autism and a film
star's autistic son is prevented from boarding a plane

China:  An expert there says treatment for autism is 'inadequate'

EMPLOYMENT FOR ADULTS WITH AUTISM

SENSORY ISSUES IN AUTISM

RESEARCH NEWS:

French scientists identify genetic mutations in autistic children - we talk
to the study's lead author

President Bush signs Combatting Autism Act - what it might mean for autistic
individuals in the United States

'No benefit from vitamin B12 injections' - new study

US Food and Drug Administration approves use of Risperdal (risperidone) for
the treatment of irritability in autism - we talk to an expert on
pharmacological treatments for autism

Oxytocin 'may have positive effect on adults with autism'

Amygdala 'becomes abnormally small in the most severe forms of autism'

Surprising new water finding suggests delay in neuronal development in
children with autism - a study which challenges a previously held theory
that brain abnormalities characteristic of autism were due to faster
development

Expert challenges notion that children with autism are often mentally
retarded

NEWS FROM AROUND THE GLOBE:

Autistic man dies after being restrained by police

'We were forced to shower school staff with jewellery to get care for our
autistic son'

Disciplinary charges filed over chelation death of autistic boy

Five-year-old boy with autism escapes to catch train

Puppy helps autistic boy to speak


                You can find more details about how to obtain Looking Up on
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index and search engine, full contents of all back issues, as well as some
previous articles (including interviews with Dr Gary Mesibov, Dr Tony
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                Please feel free to e-mail me if you need further
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I'm a huge fan of the Manga "Lone Wolf and Cub" series. Is this in
any way connected to this. I don't have the patience for RPG's...


--- In AS-and-Proud-of-it@yahoogroups.com, "Mircea Pauca"
<mircea.pauca@...> wrote:
>
>     Greetings from Romania !
>
>     I recently found this site with ~20 fantasy
> game/books of the Lone Wolf series, free to
> play online or download !
> http://projectaon.org/
> http://gamebooks.org/
>     Besides the title ;-) their format seem almost ideally
> suited to Aspies... for all of the 'escapist' fantasy value,
> paragraph-and-pointer structure begging for analysis
> and reverse engineering ;-), constant prompting of
> actions (that make them more suitable than, say, open
> ended computer roleplaying games where inertia and
> confusion may paralyse action, even simulated action).
>     I see some true educational value: teaching awareness
> to the world for clues, prudence and risk-for-reward,
> variable trust in people and situations, acceptance of
> accidents and arbitrariness, confidence in 'growing up'
> and learning abilities for young people, some ritualized
> morality... (with the game system punishing 'wrong' actions)...
>
>     One of their Newsletters even mentions their use at a
> British "special school for the maladjusted"...
> http://www.projectaon.org/en/pdf/lwcn/Newsletter_03.pdf
>
>     What if this format could extend the "social story"
> idea for more real-life training ? to 'see' and 'feel'
> consequences of various lines of action on people...
>
>     Thank you for thinking about this,
>     Mircea Pauca, Bucuresti, Romania
>

Actually, that's what I was trying to say.  Thanks for clarifying.

Marcie


--- In AS-and-Proud-of-it@yahoogroups.com, "Ari N." <Aneeman@...> wrote:
>
> On the contrary, their annoyance shows just how real and lasting
> neurodiversity is. That they're speaking out against it shows that
> they view it as a threat, and as someone who is working to promote the
> concept, I can assure you that what we're working on is lasting,
> important and essential to the future of the autism spectrum.
>
> -Ari
>
> On 1/18/07, Just Be <oxeneyed@...> wrote:
> >  I think that this is very interesting from a historical
perspective.
> >  I don't really think this idea will last. Their annoyance is a
> >  testiment against this.
> >
>

Greetings from Romania !

     I recently found this site with ~20 fantasy
game/books of the Lone Wolf series, free to
play online or download !
http://projectaon.org/
http://gamebooks.org/
     Besides the title ;-) their format seem almost ideally
suited to Aspies... for all of the 'escapist' fantasy value,
paragraph-and-pointer structure begging for analysis
and reverse engineering ;-), constant prompting of
actions (that make them more suitable than, say, open
ended computer roleplaying games where inertia and
confusion may paralyse action, even simulated action).
     I see some true educational value: teaching awareness
to the world for clues, prudence and risk-for-reward,
variable trust in people and situations, acceptance of
accidents and arbitrariness, confidence in 'growing up'
and learning abilities for young people, some ritualized
morality... (with the game system punishing 'wrong' actions)...

     One of their Newsletters even mentions their use at a
British "special school for the maladjusted"...
http://www.projectaon.org/en/pdf/lwcn/Newsletter_03.pdf

     What if this format could extend the "social story"
idea for more real-life training ? to 'see' and 'feel'
consequences of various lines of action on people...

     Thank you for thinking about this,
     Mircea Pauca, Bucuresti, Romania

As you can see, ASAN will be coming to the Penn Autism Conference in
significant numbers. I hope to see some of you there, particularly at
our panel presentation on Transitioning to College or at the breakout
sessions by ASAN members Scott Robertson (also our VP) and Kate
Goldfield - both of which promise to be very interesting.

Regards,
Ari Ne'eman
The Autistic Self Advocacy Network, President
http://www.autisticadvocacy.org


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From: Deirdre Wright <dcwright@...>
Date: Jan 19, 2007 3:48 PM
Subject: Penn Autism Network Conf., 3/15-16/07 (Phila, PA)
To: PAN Conf 07 Presenters <dcwright@...>



  Dear Conference Presenters: The brochure for the Penn Autism Network
conference will be mailed within the next week. I've attached a .pdf
copy of the brochure for your perusal.

  The following email announcement about the conference is beginning to
circulate. Feel free to help us publicize the conference by forwarding
it to your colleagues and friends. Please delete my message to
presenters before forwarding.

  By next week, I hope to have details about the individual breakout
sessions available on Penn's website ( www.med.upenn.edu/add ). In the
meantime, please don't hesitate to contact me with any questions.

  This promises to be another great conference. Thanks to all of you
for submitting wonderful workshop ideas!

  Best, Deirdre

  PS—If you are the primary presenter for a panel discussion, please
forward this email to your fellow panelists.

  --
  Deirdre C. Wright
  Conference Coordinator
  Penn Autism Network
  610/853-3747 (phone)
  610/203-4588 (cell)
  610/853-6137 (fax)


  2nd Annual Penn Autism Network Conference:
  "Journeys Through Adolescence and Adulthood"

  WHEN: Thursday & Friday, March 15-16, 2007
  WHERE: University of Pennsylvania Campus, Houston Hall, 3417 Spruce
Street, Philadelphia, PA

  FEATURING: Jerry and Mary Newport; Robert Naseef, Ph.D.; plus 21
Workshops, Resource Fair, Bookstore
  This conference is approved for 5.75 CEUs for Educators and Psychologists.

  ABOUT THE PENN AUTISM NETWORK: The Penn Autism Network is a
collaborative group of family members, individuals with autism
spectrum disorders (ASD), and the people who work with them. Our goal
is to highlight and address issues relevant to the growing population
of adults with ASDs, including transition to adulthood.

  ABOUT THE CONFERENCE: This conference presents a unique and exciting
opportunity to focus on promoting systems of supports and services for
adults with ASD, including transition to adulthood issues.
Participants of this conference will be able to:

Define effective intervention strategies and therapeutic techniques
for adolescents and adults with ASD.
Utilize the unique skills required to address the needs of individuals
with ASD.
Provide environments conducive to best outcomes for individuals with ASD.
Recognize the many and complicated facets of home life for individuals
with ASD and their families

  WHO SHOULD GO: Clinicians, Educators, Social Service Professionals,
Families, and Individuals with ASD

  FEATURED PRESENTERS
  Jerry and Mary Newport are internationally recognized advocates,
authors and savants. They have been spotlighted in the media on shows
such as CBS's "60 Minutes."  Jerry and Mary have authored three books,
including "Mozart and the Whale: An Asperger's Love Story," released
January 2007. Jerry is also well-known for his book "Your Life is Not
a Label: A Guide to Living Fully with Autism and Asperger's Syndrome."
Jerry was diagnosed with AS in 1995. He met Mary during a meeting of
an autistic self-help group he founded. A Hollywood movie based on how
Jerry and Mary met and married, "Mozart and the Whale," was released
in 2006. The couple lives in Flagstaff, AZ.

  Robert Naseef, Ph.D., has practiced for over 15 years as a
psychologist and as a consultant to numerous schools and human service
organizations. He is a graduate of Temple University who has a special
interest in the psychology of men. He also specializes in families of
children with disabilities and is the father of a young adult with
autism. Dr. Naseef recently co-edited a book, "Voices from the
Spectrum," and previously published "Special Children, Challenged
Parents: The Struggles and Rewards of Raising a Child With a
Disability." He has lectured internationally and made numerous
appearances on radio and television.

  SCHEDULE OF EVENTS
  Thursday, March 15, 2007, Houston Hall
  8–9:30 pm            Jerry and Mary Newport present "You Don't Have
to be 'Normal' to be Happy"

  Friday, March 16, 2007, Houston Hall & Irvine Auditorium
  8 - 9 am                  Registration, Continental Breakfast,
Bookstore/Resources
  9 - 9:15 am            Welcome Remarks
  9:15 - 10:30 am    Robert Naseef, Ph.D., leads plenary panel, "Living
Along the Spectrum," featuring family members of individuals with ASD
  10:30 - 10:45 am  Break, Bookstore/Resources
  10:45 - 12:15 pm  Breakout Session I
  12:15 - 1:15 pm     Lunch, Bookstore/Resources
  1:15 - 2:45 pm       Breakout Session II
  2:45 - 3 pm             Break, Bookstore/Resources
  3 - 4:30 pm             Breakout Session III

  BREAKOUT SESSION I
  A) Transitioning to Postsecondary Education with Students on the
Autism Spectrum  Ari Ne'eman, Scott Robertson, Kate Goldfield, of the
Autistic Self-Advocacy Network (ASAN), with Kristina Chew, Ph.D.,
Vincent J. Varassi
  B) Uses of Profile Book to Communicate Assessment Information for
Adults   Jean Ruttenberg, Exec. Dir. of the Ctr. for Autism
  C) Pharmacologic Treatment of Adults with ASD: New Directions
Anthony Rostain, M.D., Assoc. Prof., Psychiatry & Pediatrics, and Med.
Dir., Adult Social Learning Disorders Program, Univ. of PA
  D) Engaging Technology, Sensation & Social Skills in Transition
Planning   Eric R. Mitchell, Ph.D., Herman Axelrod (both of the Green
Tree School), Charles Bergen (of V-Tree, Inc.) and others
  E) Relationships Through an Autistic Lifespan: Balancing Solitude
with Social Demands  Jerry & Mary Newport, Self-Advocates
  F) Thoughtful Response to Agitation, Escalation & Meltdowns in
Individuals with ASD      Rebecca Klaw, Autism Trainer & Consultant
  G) Keeping Ourselves Safe: Strategies for Coping with Social Danger *
   Zosia Zaks, Self-Advocate and Author of "Life and Love: Positive
Strategies for Autistic Adults"

  BREAKOUT SESSION II
  H) Cognitive-Behavior Therapy for Adults with AS & HFA   Valerie
Gaus, Ph.D., Clinical Psychologist in Private Practice
  I) Lifelong Learning & The Autism Spectrum: My Growth Through
Adolescence & Adulthood  Scott Robertson, Self-Advocate, Ph.D.
Candidate & ASAN VP
  J) Dating & Interpersonal Relationships for Young Adults on the
Spectrum *   Mary Riggs Cohen, Ph.D., ., Clinical Assoc. Prof. in the
Adult Social Learning Disorders Program at the Univ. of PA, Dept. of
Psychiatry
  K) Breaking it Down to Build Up Social Skills   Nancy Kauffman, EDM,
OTR/L, & Beth Freney, MS, OTR/L, of COLLAGE Occupational Therapy
Programs
  L) Reflections on Being a Sibling to Someone with Special Needs  Tina
Caterino, Sibling of an Adult with ASD, & others
  M) Transition Planning for Positive Adult Outcomes for Individuals
with ASD   Domenico Cavaiuolo, Ph. D., & Daniel Steere, Ph.D., of East
Stroudsburg Univ.'s Dept. of Special Education & Rehabilitation
  N) A Round Robin of Legal Issues for Older Children & Adults   Ira M.
Fingles, Esq., Hinkle & Fingles, Attorneys at Law

  BREAKOUT SESSION III
  O) Autism & Sexuality: To Teach or not to Teach & the Potential
Consequences of Doing Nothing  Lawrence R. Sutton, Ph.D. (PA's Bureau
of Juvenile Justice Svces.), Roberta Trombetta, Esq. (SE Region Dir.,
PA's Off. Of Children, Youth & Families), Claire Maher Choutka, M.Ed.,
BCBA (Clinical Coordinator, PA DPW's Office of Autism Affairs)
  P) How to be Self Sufficient with High Functioning Autism *   Jason
Zervoudakes, Self-Advocate
  Q) Finding Your Place: The Importance of Aspie Community *  Kate
Goldfield, Self-Advocate
  R) Is a Family Consortium Right for Me?   Joe & Marilyn Henn, Parent Advocates
  S) Accessing After-School & Extended Day Services for Students with
Autism  Ira M. Fingles, Esq., Hinkle & Fingles, Attorneys at Law
  T) Transition & Effective Community Based Instruction for Adolescents
with ASD    Peter Gerhardt, Ed.D., (Pres., Org. for Autism Research) &
Lou Chance (Program Coordinator, PAAL: Preparing Adolescents for Adult
Life)
  U) Supporting Students with Autism Through Community-Based
Instruction: Preparing for Adulthood & Independence   Todd Harris
(Director), Karen Neifer, M.Ed. (Curriculum Coordinator), Christina
Witherspoon (Vocational Coordinator) of Devereux C.A.R.E.S.

  * Especially for Self-Advocates

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  REGISTRATION FORM — PENN AUTISM NETWORK CONFERENCE

Registration is on a first-come basis. Seating is limited.
Please be sure to complete ALL information.
Speakers and agenda are subject to change.
Forms must be postmarked by 3/5/07.

  Name:  ________________________________________________
  Title (if app.): ____________________________________________
  Org./School/Co. (if app.): ___________________________________
  Address: _______________________________________________
  City: _________________________   State: _____  Zip: __________
  E-mail (for confirmation): ___________________________________
  Phone:  ________________________________________________

  Please make checks payable to Trustees of the University of PA and mail to:
  Penn Autism Network, Univ. of PA Dept. of Psychiatry, 3535 Market
Street, 2nd Floor, Phila., PA 19104.

  Registration Fee for Thursday, March 15
  # of Attendees X $10
  _____ X $10 = _____ Total
  Tickets for this event will be received via mail.

  Registration Fees for Friday, March 16 (Please circle one.)
  Those attending both Thursday and Friday should add $10/person to
this fee and indicate attendance for Thursday above.
  Continental breakfast and lunch are included in this fee.

       By  2/14            After 2/14
  Professional
$130                $150
  Family member or paraprofessional                $100                $120
  Individual w/ ASD or student                                 $70
             $90

  Breakout Session I  (Number choices in order of preference.)
  __ A     __ B     __ C      __ D     __ E      __ F     __ G

  Breakout Session II  (Number choices in order of preference.)
  __ H     __ I     __ J      __ K     __ L      __ M     __ N

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  __ O     __ P     __ Q      __ R     __ S      __ T     __ U

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Pennsylvania is approved by the American Psychological Association to
offer continuing education for psychologists. The Department of
Psychiatry University of Pennsylvania maintains responsibility for
this program. Each lecture carries 1.5 CE credits with the exception
of the AM plenary session, which carries 1.25 credits.
For Educators: This conference is approved for 5.75 Act 48 hours to be
provided by the Delaware County Intermediate Unit.
For Other Professionals: We will provide a Certificate of Attendance
upon request. Attendees will be required to submit this certificate to
their professional organization.

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  Lodging: A limited number of rooms have been reserved for conference
attendees at the Embassy Suites Center City at the rate of $139 per
night. To reserve a room, call the hotel at (215) 561-1776 or 1(800)
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On the contrary, their annoyance shows just how real and lasting
neurodiversity is. That they're speaking out against it shows that
they view it as a threat, and as someone who is working to promote the
concept, I can assure you that what we're working on is lasting,
important and essential to the future of the autism spectrum.

-Ari

On 1/18/07, Just Be <oxeneyed@...> wrote:
>  I think that this is very interesting from a historical perspective.
>  I don't really think this idea will last. Their annoyance is a
>  testiment against this.
>

I'm trying this again, hopefully the links will come through this time.
  
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   Some people are upset at the neurodiversity movement and trying to
repolarize the spectrum. Only now, they've given up trying to use
LFA and HFA classifications. They're ready to give up the word autism
entirely.

There is No Autism Epidemic by David Kirby
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/there-is-no-autism-epidem_b_37647.html

The Crappy Life of the Autism Mom
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kim-stagliano/the-crappy-life-of-the-au_b_37742.ht\
ml



I think that this is very interesting from a historical perspective.
I don't really think this idea will last. Their annoyance is a
testiment against this.

A more balanced view can be found at A Shade of Gray blog:
http://a-shade-of-grey.blogspot.com/2007/01/talking-about-crap-and-gi-issues.htm\
l

Also, here's a good description of what the neurodiversity movement
is and is not:
http://www.kevinleitch.co.uk/wp/?p=488

Marcie




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Some people are upset at the neurodiversity movement and trying to
repolarize the spectrum.  Only now, they've given up trying to use
LFA and HFA classifications. They're ready to give up the word autism
entirely.

There is No Autism Epidemic by David Kirby
<http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/there-is-no-autism-
epidem_b_37647.html>

The Crappy Life of the Autism Mom
<http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kim-stagliano/the-crappy-life-of-the-
au_b_37742.html>



I think that this is very interesting from a historical perspective.
I don't really think this idea will last.  Their annoyance is a
testiment against this.

A more balanced view can be found at A Shade of Gray blog:
<http://a-shade-of-grey.blogspot.com/2007/01/talking-about-crap-and-
gi-issues.html>

Also, here's a good description of what the neurodiversity movement
is and is not:
http://www.kevinleitch.co.uk/wp/?p=488

Marcie

This discusses the interaction between the two.  You have to read
through the whole thing to get the author's point.

http://www.nldontheweb.org/Dinklage_1.htm

-Marcie

I can't find it now, but it seemed like I came across a description
of NVLD that included sensory, motor, and small talk issues.

I read a book a while back on jobs for people with NVLD and AS.  It
emphasized that with NVLD social skills tend to be better and spoken
language is much easier to understand than things that are written,
especially abstract symbols (like maps; one woman could only
understand directions if they were spoken to her).  But now I came
across the idea that NVLD people take language literally; and then of
course, you have some Aspies who are talkative and have a large
vocabulary.  And now, I come accounts that NVLDers often write early
(much like hyperlexics).  NVLDers also have a problem with math
because of the abstract symbols; some autistics are very good at math
but some have dyscalculia.

Marcie



--- In AS-and-Proud-of-it@yahoogroups.com, Shannon T Ahern
<shannon_terra@...> wrote:
>
> I've never known NVLD to be considered autism, although some of the
> characteristic are shared.
>
> For example, having NVLD would not include sensory processing
issues,
> auditory processing issues, texture sensitivities, disorientation
(such
> as being unable to locate one's car in a parking lot),
speach/language
> pragmatics issues, problems with metaphor, literalness, fine or
gross
> motor differences, etc. One could go on and on. There are many, many
> common manifestations with AS or HFA that would not be considered
NVLD.
> However, I would say that NVLD along with a certain critical number
of
> the other criteria met would be best considered autistic spectrum,
> rather than NVLD. Just addressing the lack of inherent ability to
read
> non-verbal cues and not other AS issues would not be helpful in the
> long run in giving a person with AS ALL the tools to better
function in
> NT society. But for someone who is strictly NVLD and manifests
nothing
> else "spectrummy", it would be fine.
>
> Shannon :-)
>
> --- WD Loughman <wdloughman@...> wrote:
>
> > Just Be wrote:
> > > Could someone explain to me in practical terms what the
difference
> > > between AS and Nonverbal Learning Disorder is?
> >
> > Too many shrinks, not enough "room" -- in the increasingly
crowded
> > autism industry?
> >
> > - Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Thanks! It's been years since I even looked at an NVLD site. :-)

Shannon :-)

--- "Adam (\"Griff\") Sanford" <gryph@...> wrote:

> Shannon T Ahern wrote:
> >
> >
> > I've never known NVLD to be considered autism, although some of the
> > characteristic are shared.
> >
> > For example, having NVLD would not include <snip> speach/language
> > pragmatics issues, problems with metaphor, literalness, fine or
> gross
> > motor differences, etc.
>
> I snipped the stuff you're right about, but those last four things
> are
> classic NVLD/NLD. (see: www.nldline.com)
>
> That's what I originally was diagnosed with. Then other issues came
> to
> the surface and they decided I had PDD-NOS, which is definitely on
> the
> autism spectrum. Nowadays I just say "I'm autistic" and let it go at
> that.
>
> Griff
> --
> Don't believe everything you think.
>
>
> --
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Shannon T Ahern wrote:
>
>
> I've never known NVLD to be considered autism, although some of the
> characteristic are shared.
>
> For example, having NVLD would not include <snip> speach/language
> pragmatics issues, problems with metaphor, literalness, fine or gross
> motor differences, etc.

I snipped the stuff you're right about, but those last four things are
classic NVLD/NLD. (see: www.nldline.com)

That's what I originally was diagnosed with. Then other issues came to
the surface and they decided I had PDD-NOS, which is definitely on the
autism spectrum. Nowadays I just say "I'm autistic" and let it go at that.

Griff
--
Don't believe everything you think.

I've never known NVLD to be considered autism, although some of the
characteristic are shared.

For example, having NVLD would not include sensory processing issues,
auditory processing issues, texture sensitivities, disorientation (such
as being unable to locate one's car in a parking lot), speach/language
pragmatics issues, problems with metaphor, literalness, fine or gross
motor differences, etc. One could go on and on. There are many, many
common manifestations with AS or HFA that would not be considered NVLD.
However, I would say that NVLD along with a certain critical number of
the other criteria met would be best considered autistic spectrum,
rather than NVLD. Just addressing the lack of inherent ability to read
non-verbal cues and not other AS issues would not be helpful in the
long run in giving a person with AS ALL the tools to better function in
NT society. But for someone who is strictly NVLD and manifests nothing
else "spectrummy", it would be fine.

Shannon :-)

--- WD Loughman <wdloughman@...> wrote:

> Just Be wrote:
> > Could someone explain to me in practical terms what the difference
> > between AS and Nonverbal Learning Disorder is?
>
> Too many shrinks, not enough "room" -- in the increasingly crowded
> autism industry?
>
> - Bill
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Just Be wrote:
> Could someone explain to me in practical terms what the difference
> between AS and Nonverbal Learning Disorder is?

Too many shrinks, not enough "room" -- in the increasingly crowded
autism industry?

- Bill