Does anyone here feel like that processes their emotions non-verbal
through the senses?  Everyone (NT or AS) does this to a certain extent,
for instance, music is said to be emotion put to sound.  But does
anyone feel like they do this more than other people?  For instance, my
sense of touch is very important to me - I tend to get very attached to
any animals that I pet on a semi-regular basis.  I think this idea is
important when explaining to other why I don't appear to have empathy -
a couple of people have told me that I don't have any.  I thought that
when I cared for people, than I had empathy with them.  Empathy, in the
social sense, is wrapped up in verbalizing one's emotions.  I don't
verbalize my emotions easily, because I have to translate them into
language.  And also, there's a small talk aspect to empathy, which I
cann't replicate.  Taking this into account, along with the fact my
emotions are different because I don't experience mixed emotions and
along with my emotions be sensory, I think I can explain to
peole "where my empathy went".

-Marcie

Sorry I haven't posted in eons- we lost my mom to a stroke in Feb of
this year; which was really hard. We are JUST getting by for now; My
sis is still trying to get me benefitrs of some kind- and I have an
appointment with the local mental health clinic for an evaluation.

Well, congratulations on your newfound self-awareness then. May it bring you
confidence and empowerment. Keep in mind that you should have at least as
much to be proud of from being of your neurology as they might have from
being of theirs. No one has a right to pretend to be better than you because
of a different manner of thought.

-Ari


On 5/30/06, radiobymyside <radiobymyside@...> wrote:
>
> I had been, yes, up to now.
>
>
> --- In AS-and-Proud-of-it@yahoogroups.com, Gracie Groove
> <mscoolout@...> wrote:
> >>
> > I hope you aren't looking to *others* for an
> > indication of whether or not *you're* crazy!
>
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I had been, yes, up to now.


--- In AS-and-Proud-of-it@yahoogroups.com, Gracie Groove
<mscoolout@...> wrote:
>>
> I hope you aren't looking to *others* for an
> indication of whether or not *you're* crazy!

--- radiobymyside <radiobymyside@...> wrote:

> You have good advice. Already I am thinking I can be
> much more
> confident just from the recent realization that my
> list of
> mysterious problem areas are all related to this one
> thing, and that
> there are many others just like me. Just knowing
> that you are not
> crazy is an indescribable relief.

I hope you aren't looking to *others* for an
indication of whether or not *you're* crazy!

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You have good advice. Already I am thinking I can be much more
confident just from the recent realization that my list of
mysterious problem areas are all related to this one thing, and that
there are many others just like me. Just knowing that you are not
crazy is an indescribable relief. I also was not aware of many of
the things I may be doing in public and in social situations that
have been causing me problems; but that I could control if aware.
People do not generally point these things out to you. (I actually
had some idea that I was kind of invisible, for some reason.)

  --- In AS-and-Proud-of-it@yahoogroups.com, "Ari N." <Aneeman@...>
wrote:
>
> The thing is, NTs are no less flawed than we are. They merely
exist in a
> society that is geared towards strengthening them. We can,
however, adopt a
> mindset that will allow us to face the world with similar
confidence, and
> use all the unique strengths we have to our advantage. It is
possible,
> however difficult it may be. The first step is realizing that they
are in no
> way are superiors and we are in no way flawed compared to them.
>
> -Ari
>
>

You have no idea how much I appreciate having this group, too!

I am married, and my husband has a very similar personality (except
for the driving part, and he's the one that gets so exasperated with
me -- I drive him only when absolutely necessary). He likes to see
his relatives, but he also would like some notice. He did tell them
nicely to give us a call next time they decide to come over, and
that's why we have to listen to all the sarcastic remarks ever
since. They are calling in advance now, but not enough in advance.
They call from the car when they are a half mile away. They just
don't get it. It's almost like they want to "catch" us at something.
*I* don't get it! My complaint is not specifically this particular
habit of theirs, but more that they won't graciously comply to a
simple request, whether or not they agree with it, without making a
big deal about it.



--- In AS-and-Proud-of-it@yahoogroups.com, Gracie Groove
<mscoolout@...> wrote:
>
... which is why we have this little group for everybody who's been
diagnosed by them as "Not Like Us".

> OOOH! I can totally relate.  I have an acquaintance
> who insists that it's rude of me not to answer the
> door or the phone when somebody comes over or calls,
> and I tell him it's my perogative to enjoy my own time
> in my house without unplanned interruption.  Unless
> I'm expecting a visit or a phone call, I see no reason
> why I should answer.  He says I'm obliged.  What the
> heck? ....

--- radiobymyside <radiobymyside@...> wrote:

> I meant that they don't seem to be bothered by the
> fact that they have
> annoying habits. I certainly agree that they are
> offended all the time.


Oh, we're in agreement then.  Of course, they can do
no wrong in their own eyes; it's everybody else who
needs fixing, which is why we have this little group
for everybody who's been diagnosed by them as "Not
Like Us".

> In my personal circle, this happens with
> several sets of inlaws
> who live an hour or so away and like to occasionally
> visit us
> unannounced, sometimes with strangers in tow, and
> sometimes with
> suitcases. They are fully aware that this upsets us,
> but they are
> righteous in their indignation and insist that we
> are the strange
> ones, and they constantly tease us about it ("Oh, we
> need to make an
> appointment to see you, you are so important," etc.)

OOOH! I can totally relate.  I have an acquaintance
who insists that it's rude of me not to answer the
door or the phone when somebody comes over or calls,
and I tell him it's my perogative to enjoy my own time
in my house without unplanned interruption.  Unless
I'm expecting a visit or a phone call, I see no reason
why I should answer.  He says I'm obliged.  What the
heck?

> I am incapable of
> verbal disagreements (mind goes totally blank), so I
> cope by trying to
> always have the house presentable for surprise
> company and trying to
> keep myself mentally prepared for an invasion at all
> times. I am
> offended by (and weary of) the teasing and
> criticism, because I can't
> seem to defend myself.

Maybe you could write it down, something about valuing
your time alone (or with whoever, if you live with
somebody) or something.  They won't understand it, but
word it in such a way that there will be no mistaking
that THEY will be considered the rude ones if they
infringe on your privacy.  After all, people fought
and died so we could have it (as I remind anybody
daring to question my desire to be alone).

> I am also offended by criticism of things I
> cannot improve upon, such as needing to be cautious
> when driving and
> prefering to go past my turnoff instead of making a
> snap decision lane
> change. These are the kinds of things I meant.

"Maybe we could go in separate cars next time - would
that be better for you?" (said sweetly, not
sarcastically), or "Perhaps you could have taken the
bus..."

Alternately: "Don't be silly, it's a beautiful day out
and there's no harm done."

Don't even see it as criticism; just treat it as the
other person is a rude child and it's your duty as a
member of the village to correct it.

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I meant that they don't seem to be bothered by the fact that they have
annoying habits. I certainly agree that they are offended all the
time. In my personal circle, this happens with several sets of inlaws
who live an hour or so away and like to occasionally visit us
unannounced, sometimes with strangers in tow, and sometimes with
suitcases. They are fully aware that this upsets us, but they are
righteous in their indignation and insist that we are the strange
ones, and they constantly tease us about it ("Oh, we need to make an
appointment to see you, you are so important," etc.) I am incapable of
verbal disagreements (mind goes totally blank), so I cope by trying to
always have the house presentable for surprise company and trying to
keep myself mentally prepared for an invasion at all times. I am
offended by (and weary of) the teasing and criticism, because I can't
seem to defend myself. I am also offended by criticism of things I
cannot improve upon, such as needing to be cautious when driving and
prefering to go past my turnoff instead of making a snap decision lane
change. These are the kinds of things I meant.



--- In AS-and-Proud-of-it@yahoogroups.com, Gracie Groove
<mscoolout@...> wrote:
> I think I disagree.  NTs tend to be *extremely*
> offended, all the time.  See just about anybody on any
> talk show, old or new - they're always crying about
> something; it's ridiculous.  I used to be very easily
> offended, but now very little offends me.  I think I
> fixed myself on that point.
>
>

--- radiobymyside <radiobymyside@...> wrote:

> Yes, yes you're right.
>
> One of the ways many of them operate is to be so
> self-assured and un-
> embarrassed about demanding respect and accomodation
> for their various
> personal preferences and idiosyncrasies. I can never
> get it why they
> are allowed these differences but we are not. But,
> that may be my
> sensitivity to teasing, which I think is cruel and
> humiliating for the
> victim. I guess that's another difference -- NT's
> have more confidence
> and don't care so much about criticism.

I think I disagree.  NTs tend to be *extremely*
offended, all the time.  See just about anybody on any
talk show, old or new - they're always crying about
something; it's ridiculous.  I used to be very easily
offended, but now very little offends me.  I think I
fixed myself on that point.

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The thing is, NTs are no less flawed than we are. They merely exist in a
society that is geared towards strengthening them. We can, however, adopt a
mindset that will allow us to face the world with similar confidence, and
use all the unique strengths we have to our advantage. It is possible,
however difficult it may be. The first step is realizing that they are in no
way are superiors and we are in no way flawed compared to them.

-Ari


On 5/28/06, radiobymyside <radiobymyside@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, yes you're right.
>
> One of the ways many of them operate is to be so self-assured and un-
> embarrassed about demanding respect and accomodation for their various
> personal preferences and idiosyncrasies. I can never get it why they
> are allowed these differences but we are not. But, that may be my
> sensitivity to teasing, which I think is cruel and humiliating for the
> victim. I guess that's another difference -- NT's have more confidence
> and don't care so much about criticism.
>
>
> -- In AS-and-Proud-of-it@yahoogroups.com, Gracie Groove
> <mscoolout@...> wrote:
> > They are different, but they operate similarly.
> >
> > We are different, but we operate similarly.
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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On May 28, 2006, at 8:02 PM, radiobymyside wrote:

> victim. I guess that's another difference -- NT's have more confidence
> and don't care so much about criticism.

I don't know if this is globally true.  I have a lot of confidence
and not only like criticism but often beg people for it.  Criticism
(HONEST! criticism)  is often the only way I have of knowing when I'm
getting things right, and if I'm not getting things right honest
criticism helps me to understand how I can go about fixing what's
wrong.  But then, I may be completely a-typical in this.

	 -Dora


ladyd@...
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The only war that matters is the war against the imagination -Diane
DiPrima, Rant

You know, I did use those earplugs sometimes when I was at work and
positively had to finish something during office hours. You know what
the problem was? Without hearing other people around me, I would
start "talking to myself." I have a habit of narrating what I am
thinking and giving myself encouragement when I am alone, and that is
very helpful to my work, but it caused an embarrassment problem in the
office. Of course at least half the programmers were also thumping,
tapping feet, humming, whacking pencils, and talking to themselves.
That must be why they put the computer people in a separate building,
ha ha.

--- In AS-and-Proud-of-it@yahoogroups.com, June <juno@...> wrote:

... Perhaps invest in a set of good earplugs? I use inexpensive
> foam types that you roll up and insert into the ear where they then
> expand and they block out most of the annoying sound. ...

I think I know what you mean. It is harder in the current culture
for us to know what the rules are. There don't seem to be any rules
for acceptable conduct, or if there are, I can't figure them out. If
I had to go back to working outside the home, I would have a much
harder time than I did all my younger working years (and that was
certainly hard enough.)

I made a good decision to take the plunge into computer systems
analysis right when demand was highest, around 1990. At age 40 I
went back to school for certification in mainframe programming, and
beat out 5 young guys for head of the class, and got hired
immediately by a huge corporation. I was outstanding at this job,
for once in my life, and made manager in no time. It was an
environment of people mostly just like me! And I had a great boss
who believed in function over form and she let me run my group any
way that worked best. Even so, I did all my important work after
hours when everybody else went home and there were no ringing
phones, conversations, or interruptions, and when I could change out
of the stifling business attire.

There could be many jobs that are ideal for our personalities and
talents. The problem is that most job requirements are
schizophrenic. I look at the job listings locally, and a furniture
design house is continuously seeking crackerjack salespersons who
are also expert in Quickbooks. Those are opposite talents! Instead
of hiring six salespeople/accountants who are all mediocre, hire one
real bookkeeper and four real salespeople, and make more money while
saving money! And all ads for receptionists specify additional
duties that require "attention to detail." Do they want this
employee to talk on the phone, or do they want him/her to pay
attention to detailed paperwork? Pick ONE. IMO there would be so
many more good jobs for us if not for these impossible contradictory
requirements.


--- In AS-and-Proud-of-it@yahoogroups.com, tikigalharkins@... wrote:
>> ... God forbid the day I would be delegated to working-not out of
MY  choosing- but because I have to supplement my retirement at a
Mickey D's or Wally World-complete with the younger drill sergeant
boss/sup. ...   I welcome responses to this subject.
> Wanda

Yes, yes you're right.

One of the ways many of them operate is to be so self-assured and un-
embarrassed about demanding respect and accomodation for their various
personal preferences and idiosyncrasies. I can never get it why they
are allowed these differences but we are not. But, that may be my
sensitivity to teasing, which I think is cruel and humiliating for the
victim. I guess that's another difference -- NT's have more confidence
and don't care so much about criticism.


-- In AS-and-Proud-of-it@yahoogroups.com, Gracie Groove
<mscoolout@...> wrote:
> They are different, but they operate similarly.
>
> We are different, but we operate similarly.

radiobymyside wrote:
> I meant the Helen Reddy song that came out about the same time:
>
> http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/helen_reddy/angie_baby.html
>
> --- In AS-and-Proud-of-it@yahoogroups.com, June <juno@...> wrote:
>>
>> ... (if you're talking about the Rolling Stones' song)...

Great lyrics. I know I've heard that song many times (I'm 47). But I
have no memory at all of "how it goes". I would need to hear a few notes
   or measures to recall the complete song.

Sometimes have a song in my mind for a long time without knowing the
name or artist like with this classic R&B song that had been rolling
around in my head for a *long* time before I finally discovered the name
of it:

http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/the_dramatics/in_the_rain.html

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

Contact: janet norman-bain
           515 Crooked Creek Rd.
           Oyster Bed Bridge, PEI, C1E 1Z4
           E_Mail: jypsy@...
           Website: www.PlanetAutism.com/runman.html


iRunman Autistic Celebration Run
Autistic Youth Runs PEI Tip-to-Tip for Autism Acceptance and Education


(Oyster Bed Bridge, PEI, May 28, 2006) On July 2nd, 2006, 18 year old Alex
Bain will leave North Cape in a bid to be the first autistic to run Prince
Edward Island tip to tip. Along the way, he hopes to raise $20/km for his
almost 300 kilometre trek that will end in East Point on July 15th. The
funds will be used to bring internationally recognized expert Dennis
Debbaudt to PEI on September 27,  2006, for a series of 3 seminars about
what happens and what should happen in encounters between autistics,
emergency first-responders and law-enforcement officers.

Almost every weekend, for most of the year,  Alex puts on this trademark
yellow t-shirt, heads to a charitable road race on the Island. He runs not
only for the charity benefiting from each race, but also for autism. Not to
raise money to find a "cure" or to "prevent" people like himself from ever
being born, the focus of most autism runs, but to raise awareness and
acceptance.  His recognition as the PEI RoadRunners 2004 Patterson Palmer
Rookie of the Year and 2005 Ewen Stewart Inspirational Runner of the Year
reflects both his running and advocacy abilities.

Accompanying Alex on her bike, and organizing Mr Debbaudt's PEI seminar, is
Alex's mother, janet norman-bain, known as "jypsy" to many in the autistic
community both locally and internationally through a website she ran from
1995-2005, "Ooops...Wrong Planet! Syndrome" at PlanetAutism.com. jypsy and
another of her four children are diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome, an
autistic spectrum diagnosis. jypsy watched Alex start grade 1 unable to
speak and graduate from Bluefield High School twelve years later with
honours and prizes for top marks in two of his classes. This July she'll be
there to see him fulfill his dream to be the first autistic to run PEI tip
to tip and help fundraise to make PEI a safer, more inclusive community for
all autistic people.

Studies show that autistic people are no more likely to break the law than
non-autistic people, but are 7 times more likely to come into contact with
law enforcement officers. Dennis Debbaudt, a professional investigator,
journalist and a member of the American Society for Law Enforcement
Training (ASLET), is the father of a 21-year-old autistic son. He has
educated law enforcement, criminal justice, and education professionals, as
well as first-responders, autistics, and parents throughout Canada, the US,
and the UK but has yet to present in the Maritimes.

The response of autistic people to encounters with emergency first
responders may not always be socially expected or behaviourally typical.
Mr. Debbaudt will explain how autistic reactions in some situations, such
as running away, unsteadiness, apparently unpredictable or impulsive
behaviour, or failure to respond in the expected way, may be misunderstood
by first response professionals, resulting in serious consequences. Mr.
Debbaudt's law enforcement and first responder seminars offer tips and
options for communications and responses designed to successfully resolve a
call involving a person on the autistic spectrum, while his seminar for
autistics, parents, caregivers, school personnel and other people, will
address the many ways that parents can keep their child secure and safe
both in the home and in the community and how autistics can increase their
own safety and security. Everyone will come away with a good, practical
understanding of the best approaches to make interactions with autistics
more informed, safer and less stressful for all involved.

Autism is a neurological difference classified as a developmental
disability. Autistic people have atypical behaviours in three areas: social
interaction, communication, and restricted interests or repetitive
behaviours. Autistics are different at the most basic level available: how
they experience the world, and how they learn from it. Autism presents with
measurable differences in perception, attention, memory, intelligence, etc.
The autistic order and progress of development is different from the
typical version as is autistic brain structure, allocation, and function.
Autism presents strengths not available to the typical population, but the
different pattern of strengths and weaknesses characterizing autism results
in many difficulties as atypical needs and adaptive but atypical autistic
behaviours are at odds with what is considered or expected as "normal".

The PEI Council of the Disabled is assisting PlanetAutism.com in this
fundraiser and will be handling the donations. Charitable donations can be
made to the "PEI Council of the Disabled" (Runman Fund) by mail or at any
Credit Union across PEI. Online donations can be made on the Run's website,
www.PlanetAutism.com/runman  where much more information about the Run can
be found including the daily schedule and a blog where you can follow the
Run day by day.

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Hi Radiobymyside,
By any chance, are you referring to that Helen Reddy song from the early
1970s?
"Angie Baby,
You're a special lady,
living in a world of make believe..."
Gawsh!  That's another song to chalk up on the Aspie IPod!! 8P
I also include the following as well:
"Bittersweet Symphony"-Verve
"Everybody's Talkin'"-Oliver (?)
"Eleanor Rigby"-Beatles
BTW:  I totally get your drift on the "normal/NT" thing.  Like all here,
I do what I can despite limitations.  I'm a person with responsibilities
and a taxpaying citizen who damn well deserves respect in middle age and
not lip.  (BTW, when that occurs, I refer to it as being "bitched at.")
God forbid the day I would be delegated to working-not out of MY
choosing- but because I have to supplement my retirement at a Mickey D's
or Wally World-complete with the younger drill sergeant boss/sup.
UGGGGGHHH!!  Senior citizen or not, no way in hell would I put up with
that abuse.  Would they do this shit to their loved ones??  I also am in
total agreement with you about accommodations for ACs.  NTs can be
abusive and IMHO they must be called to the floor-authority or
otherwise.  They aren't the perfectionists they think they are in their
minds.  Communication & understanding are mandatory in business. If the
US is going all service, it's already going to hell in a handbasket if
things do not improve quickly. Just my thoughs here.  I welcome
responses to this subject.
Wanda


http://community.webtv.net/tikigalharkins/LETSTALKASPERGERS

I meant the Helen Reddy song that came out about the same time:

http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/helen_reddy/angie_baby.html


--- In AS-and-Proud-of-it@yahoogroups.com, June <juno@...> wrote:

... (if you're talking about the Rolling Stones' song)...

radiobymyside wrote:
> Hi, Marcie,
>
> Sorry for not being clear, yes I meant "armchair therapist."
>
> <body snipped>
>
> What I was trying to say is that when I state my preferences, I want
> them to be considered reasonable to accomodate. I don't want to go
> around with an attitude that I'm special and wear a handicapped
> license plate on my chest ...

All those things would bother me too, especially the noise and driving
critiques. Perhaps invest in a set of good earplugs? I use inexpensive
foam types that you roll up and insert into the ear where they then
expand and they block out most of the annoying sound. The only downside
is they can cause discomfort for some people and your own internal body
processes (pulse, chewing, moving) become magnified and unless your hair
covers them, they are quite noticeable out in public.

> Just-call-me-Angie-Baby
> (did anyone else old enough get shivers when that song came out?

Yes, the first few times I heard it (if you're talking about the Rolling
Stones' song). but it was played so much it just began to annoy me.

--- radiobymyside <radiobymyside@...> wrote:

> Heh, but "they" are not all the same as each other,
> are they? I think
> if that were the case, they wouldn't be fighting and
> playing stupid
> mind games with each other all the time.

They are different, but they operate similarly.

We are different, but we operate similarly.

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It is the "normals" "neurotypicals" who are confusing and confused.  I usually
pity them and am frustrated by.  I am sure that you have just as valid a
live-style as any of them and are just figuring yourself out just as anyone of
them at their age is.

   Diane in Alberta

radiobymyside <radiobymyside@...> wrote:
   For somebody who diagnoses everybody else, I am reeling that I didn't
connect the dots on my own condition until today. I'm female, age 57.
I've spent my whole life trying to appear perfectly normal. That
didn't work, but I got by mostly ok. The deepest dark secret is the
head-rocking to music that consumed every private moment from earliest
memory until mid-40's. (It became less and less enjoyable towards
middle age, and merely something to do when I wasn't at work.) Of
course, no friendships or voluntary socialization. Then there were the
standard childhood broken bones undiagnosed because they didn't hurt,
but intolerance to clothing tags and puffs of air and all sorts of
things nobody else noticed. And the driving peculiarities (and panic
if somebody else is in the car to comment or criticize), the meltdowns
over certain noises and music, the only successful career finally
being computer programming. Etc., etc., etc.

The funniest (not really) thing happened when I was in an online
conversation with a woman who was concerned about her 4-year-old. I
was identifying with the child. I explained to the worried mother that
the reason her child cannot tolerate changes in plans is obviously
because the child thinks in pictures. I went on to explain that I am
also a picture person, and types like us wake up with a mental picture
of our day. If there is any surprise at all, no matter how incredibly
minor, this requires a retreat and solitary quiet time in order to
draw a new picture that incorporates this change. I thought this was a
perfectly reasonable explanation -- but I'm sure the woman is now more
worried than ever about her child. This conversation transpired before
I ever read about "Thinking in Pictures" and the relation to autism.

I don't know what made me spend most of today reading about autism --
maybe I was finally ready to connect the dots.

Anyway. It is a relief to know there are others let loose in the world
who have similar reactions and challenges. But this is also very
upsetting to me. I don't want to start believing that every reaction
and emotion I have is abnormal and due to a "condition." It's hard
enough to gather gumption for social encounters without introducing
more self-doubt, if that makes any sense. Thanks for listening.







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Hello All,

Ruth agreed to meet me 24th of June and she told me she isn't sure where is
my town, I told her to buy a map, she refused my advice, because she told me
she isn't that good with directions and I gave her a 2nd advice take her
friend with her to help her, and again she refused, she rather went on her
own, so it seems she trusts her instincts and she thinks she will find it,
but I hope she do esn't phone me to tell her the directions as I'm hopeless
myself lol, I think positive hope she finds it by noon so i can spend an
afternoon with her.

I'm also now having 2nd thoughts if to meet Ruth on that date or not,
because this morning she rang me up and i said Hello about 3 times and she
still hasn't answered me and I've got scared because i hate being mucked
around on the phone and so i gave up and hung up the phone, when that
happened, she rang me again and still didn't answer me, so i send her a text
how come shes not answring me? i do know it was her r ang me, because shes
in my address book and it says Ruth is calling. This is so scary what happen
someone else used her phone to dial me lol, and she hasn't reply to my text,
this is feel strange. But onething I know she told me last night she will
work out how to get to Leicester, when she called me, I hope she didn't had
an accident or something. That is all 4 now. Me with worry, but she normally
answers me when she calls me. Susie

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>
>  Thats only thing i have in sandwiches is cheese lol, because i don't like
> ham lol
>

Susie

  Could it be gas?
>
> I used to have REALLY bad pains that would come and go
> for days at a time... try not having any dairy
> products for a few days.
>
> They tell you to "walk it off", but that doesn't work.
>
>
> --- Susie Barratt <susannah2005uk@...> wrote:
>
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I had pains in my side of my stomache for a few days
> > now and it still hasn't
> > gone, but i still get hungry at dinner times, but it
> > feels like cramps, but
> > not a bug, this doesn't make no sense to me, I don't
> > feel sick or anything,
> > its just my stomache keeps playing up, next the
> > cramp goes away and then it comes back again.
> >
> > I've also recieved this thru the post today and I
> > took interest that i might
> > want to join this aspergers syndrome group. Heres
> > the website i just checked
> > out
> > http://www.themondayclub.org.uk/ and I might think
> > about going to join it
> > and not sure for 100% where this place is, it also
> > has a social group there
> > of members where taking about my feelings and
> > thoughts and that might make
> > me feel better :), Susie
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Heh, but "they" are not all the same as each other, are they? I think
if that were the case, they wouldn't be fighting and playing stupid
mind games with each other all the time.


--- In AS-and-Proud-of-it@yahoogroups.com, Gracie Groove
<mscoolout@...> wrote:
...>
> No, think of it rather as a perfectly normal
> difference in thought process.  We can't all be the
> same, can we?  They just want us to.

Hi, Marcie,

Sorry for not being clear, yes I meant "armchair therapist."

I do understand your point about normal and agree. What I was trying
to say was that I live among others and I want to walk the line
where my requests are considered merely a little different (or even
eccentric), rather than "it's her disability," wink and rolling
eyes. I believe that my requests aren't that far out of the norm,
but that may be denial. My main request is to not spring surprises
on me (if you want a favorable response). For example, to my
husband: Do not tell somebody who phones that it is ok to come right
over. To me that one is within normal consideration and not unusual.
And doesn't every wife want the blaring TV to be turned down? I have
a few unique requests, for example do NOT talk to me unless it is an
emergency when I'm obviously working on something -- because I will
have to retreat, create an entirely new mind picture, and either
start completely over or abandon what I what I was trying to do. But
even for that, I think most people like to be able to concentrate
sometimes. And my driving -- this is not only the best I can do, it
is the ONLY way I can do it. I am safe. I have never had an accident
or caused an accident. It takes me a little longer than it would
you, but to me that is not a "mistake" and I don't want to hear any
more harping about it (and would you rather take a taxi to your
medical appointments?).

What I was trying to say is that when I state my preferences, I want
them to be considered reasonable to accomodate. I don't want to go
around with an attitude that I'm special and wear a handicapped
license plate on my chest ...

Just-call-me-Angie-Baby
(did anyone else old enough get shivers when that song came out?


--- In AS-and-Proud-of-it@yahoogroups.com, Just Be <oxeneyed@...>
wrote:
>
>   Do you do that professionally or are you an "arm-chair"
psychologist?
>
  ...  Just remember, whatever you do is normal for you. Autism is
about neurological differences - a different way of being - not
about dysfunction.
>
>   -Marcie
>

>For somebody who diagnoses everybody else, I am reeling that I didn't
connect the dots on my own condition until today.>

   Do you do that professionally or are you an "arm-chair" psychologist?

   >Anyway. It is a relief to know there are others let loose in the world
who have similar reactions and challenges. But this is also very
upsetting to me. I don't want to start believing that every reaction
and emotion I have is abnormal and due to a "condition." It's hard
enough to gather gumption for social encounters without introducing
more self-doubt, if that makes any sense. Thanks for listening. >

   Anyway, welcome to the group.  I found out about autism three years ago when I
was 25, and it was like coming home. I had been searching since I was 13 to try
to figure out why I was different.  I even got an anthroplogy degree to try to
figure out people.  I found out about autism right after I got out of college. I
was pleasantly surprize to learn that it was the opposite of enculturation
(enculturation is the processing by which people teach kids socialization).  At
least, that was my first reference for what autism meant.  Now, it means to me a
whole different paradigm of thinking.  Just remember, whatever you do is normal
for you. Autism is about neurological differences - a different way of being -
not about dysfunction.

   -Marcie




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Could it be gas?

I used to have REALLY bad pains that would come and go
for days at a time... try not having any dairy
products for a few days.

They tell you to "walk it off", but that doesn't work.

--- Susie Barratt <susannah2005uk@...> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I had pains in my side of my stomache for a few days
> now and it still hasn't
> gone, but i still get hungry at dinner times, but it
> feels like cramps, but
> not a bug, this doesn't make no sense to me, I don't
> feel sick or anything,
> its just my stomache keeps playing up, next the
> cramp goes away and then it comes back again.
>
> I've also recieved this thru the post today and I
> took interest that i might
> want to join this aspergers syndrome group. Heres
> the website i just checked
> out
> http://www.themondayclub.org.uk/ and I might think
> about going to join it
> and not sure for 100% where this place is, it also
> has a social group there
> of members where taking about my feelings and
> thoughts and that might make
> me feel better :), Susie
> --
> My private email address: susie4uk2006@...
>
>
> My group email: susannah2005uk@...
>
> My Website at: http://susie4uk2005.tripod.com/
>
>
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> removed]
>
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>
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--- radiobymyside <radiobymyside@...> wrote:

> For somebody who diagnoses everybody else, I am
> reeling that I didn't
> connect the dots on my own condition until today.
> I'm female, age 57.
> I've spent my whole life trying to appear perfectly
> normal. That
> didn't work, but I got by mostly ok. The deepest
> dark secret is the
> head-rocking to music that consumed every private
> moment from earliest
> memory until mid-40's.

Hmm, I have a thing with music too.

> The funniest (not really) thing happened when I was
> in an online
> conversation with a woman who was concerned about
> her 4-year-old.  I was identifying with the child.

Ah, this is how I feel here when people are talking
about their kids.

> I explained to the worried mother that
> the reason her child cannot tolerate changes in
> plans is obviously
> because the child thinks in pictures. I went on to
> explain that I am
> also a picture person, and types like us wake up
> with a mental picture
> of our day. If there is any surprise at all, no
> matter how incredibly
> minor, this requires a retreat and solitary quiet
> time in order to
> draw a new picture that incorporates this change.

This is *exactly* how I am, though I never thought of
it as pictures but more abstract ideas.  I've never
seen it worded that way, and it's perfect.  Thank you.

> I
> thought this was a
> perfectly reasonable explanation -- but I'm sure the
> woman is now more worried than ever about her child.

My experience has also been that NTs are just paranoid
that their kids aren't normal.  They don't want to
understand them; they want to "fix" them.

> Anyway. It is a relief to know there are others let
> loose in the world
> who have similar reactions and challenges. But this
> is also very
> upsetting to me. I don't want to start believing
> that every reaction
> and emotion I have is abnormal and due to a
> "condition."

No, think of it rather as a perfectly normal
difference in thought process.  We can't all be the
same, can we?  They just want us to.

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Hello All,

I had pains in my side of my stomache for a few days now and it still hasn't
gone, but i still get hungry at dinner times, but it feels like cramps, but
not a bug, this doesn't make no sense to me, I don't feel sick or anything,
its just my stomache keeps playing up, next the cramp goes away and then it
comes back again.

I've also recieved this thru the post today and I took interest that i might
want to join this aspergers syndrome group. Heres the website i just checked
out
http://www.themondayclub.org.uk/ and I might think about going to join it
and not sure for 100% where this place is, it also has a social group there
of members where taking about my feelings and thoughts and that might make
me feel better :), Susie
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