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what do you want out of marriage? (sorry for the cross post)   Message List  
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Re: [AS-and-Proud-of-it] what do you want out of marriage? (sorry for the cross post)

Marina Bretherton jotted this down:
> On the other hand, my DH has mentioned to me several times that he is so glad
> he didn't marry another Aspie. 

As an autistic that was in a LTR with an NT before joining up with another
autistic, I feel exactly the opposite... See below for why. :)


> I do a lot of the things for him that he
> would rather not deal with in this world.

My partner and I do this for each other, too, as much as we can. What we also
do, that I couldn't do with an NT, is brainstorm to find out how we can do
things autism-style -- a huge portion of the stuff we "can't" do is more because
the way we were taught was NT-style and that doesn't work for us.

For example, we both have central auditory processing problems, and therefore
find dealing with the phone to be a total nightmare. I discovered that there's
a great free service for people like us that will let us type/read calls through
an operator (akin to the devices for the Deaf except through a website) and so
now we both can handle calls. Or there was that my partner figured out that if
we are going out to dinner somewhere new, we can look up the menu online or get
them to give us a copy in advance so we can look over the selection rather than
having to try to read in a noisy atmosphere -- or we can find a place that is
autism-compatible instead, which is even better.

When I was with my NT ex, though, he just wanted to either do things for me or
make me do them NT-style. It really damaged my self-esteem, since I was always
either dependent on him like a kid or struggling to handle things in a way that
didn't fit my brain, or both. Not fun!


>  I shield him from social
> encounters (be it finding good excuses to get out of attending events, doing
> all the talking so he can "blend," talking to the bank teller, car salesmen,
> etc)

In our case, we just agree that we don't do social encounters -- we're open
about being autistic and explaining to family that we just can't do that. In
the case of business things, we use ATMs, find ways of avoiding interaction and
overload, memorize scripts, or use other techniques to keep things as
autism-friendly as possible. We don't really need one another to "shield" in
that sense; we work together as equals towards changing society for our kind
instead.

The big "shielding" we do is to remind one another to take measures to "fix"
NT-centric situations, or quickly step in if the other is too stressed to do so.
So he makes sure that he's between other people and I (so I'm not stressed by
them being too close), I remind him at times to put his earplugs/earbud in to
block out noise if it's bothering him, we'll guide one another away from
troublesome individuals (or tell the problem-person to please stop), so on and
so forth.

I think that if we weren't both accepting of autism, if we insisted on doing
things NT-style, then we'd be in trouble. Luckily, that's not the case, so we
get to enjoy being autistic together instead.


> I prep new people he will be meeting (and him) which helps him feel
> more at ease when new social situations are necessary

See, I can't see any social situations beyond those involving business as
"necessary" -- luckily, neither does he. He learned pretty quickly after trying
to take me out a few times, when I got back to the apartment and had a meltdown
on his living-room floor!


>, explain social
> situations to him so he can better understand people

I do this for P since I have studied NTs, but it is so he can better understand
*NT* people, not "people" (because autistics, as a kind of person, have our own
different social interactions)... The frustraing aspect is that most NTs don't
recognize that AS folk have our own social situations/interactions, let alone
try to learn or educate others about it; they just assume NT-type is the only
way, that AS people "don't understand" social things and are bereft of our own
social language. It's like a hearing person assuming a Deaf one has no mode of
communication because the hearing-person doesn't recognize sign-language (or
anything other than speech) as a valid method of interacting. :-/


> He cannot always be "available" to my son and meet his emotional needs, so I
> am the one that has to fill in the holes.

That is one of the reasons P and I are not having children, aside from a total
lack of interest (we meet our own and each other's needs). If the kids were NT,
they would never fulfill our needs or hopes, just overload/frustrate/upset us,
and generally let us down. Autistic kids would be more likely to match our
hopes and interactive/emotional wishes as parents, I think, but the stress of
taking care of them would be more than we can handle, given life in NT society
is hard enough for us as it is.

You might check out the book "Living and Loving with Asperger Syndrome" by the
McCabe family -- it's a very good title co-written by an AS man, NT wife, and
their NT teenage son in turns. Quite insightful, and the family has a very
nice attitude towards autism.

--
Denise DeGraf ~*~ http://www.sonic.net/mustang/moggy
"People can and do live happily with AS,
but no one lives happily with a sense of self-loathing."
-- Frank Klein




Thu Mar 3, 2005 7:54 am

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... I have noticed that there are some NT's I get along great with, and some I can't even communicate with. I think the idea of trying to separate all of ...
David Brown
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... As an autistic that was in a LTR with an NT before joining up with another autistic, I feel exactly the opposite... See below for why. :) ... My partner...
Denise DeGraf
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Is it possible you are misinterpreting this as a need to have common goals, interests, etc? Maybe it needs to be specified that you are speaking of those NTs...
Marina Bretherton
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You still want a partner who validates your social standing, whatever that is. Almost everyone wants a partner who doesn't embarass them in public, or alienate...
a.f.wilson
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... Things like wanting the relationship to "grow", or to maintain some kind of "amount" of romance to the relationship. These things seem difficult to even...
Marina Bretherton
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If these are things I needed, I wouldn't have stayed with my DH for 7 years now, would I? He has often said things in public that didn't make sense to...
Marina Bretherton
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Well, you chose an Aspie husband. Obviously, these things aren't important to you. You chose him because other things were important. But I think we tend to...
a.f.wilson
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... Yeah, I always wonder what my cats would think of a potential partner. Would I be embarrassed in front of them (which is whenever I'm home). They might not...
Gatto Fritto
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... *grin* I gave my partner quite a lecture early in our relationship that was linked along those lines... That if he ever makes a "me or them" kind of...
Denise DeGraf
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I think you have a good point. A lot of people have prejudices about AS people, and it's easy for me to try to bust those prejudices saying that AS people are...
Gatto Fritto
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Well, knowing that you have mentioned you are just starting out in seeking a relationship for yourself, I will say that you sound well-armed!! I think you...
Marina Bretherton
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If you don't want kids -- just stay alone and a loner. That's my take on it....
ojmalm
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The *only reason* I respond to ojmalm is in the hope that I can prevent this person's incredibly toxic, negative mindset from polluting some vulnerable soul...
a.f.wilson
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... Exactly. There's a LOT more to bonding with another adult than reproduction -- it'd be a very sad state to be in, to be lacking that bond to the point...
Denise DeGraf
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Ok, I have thought a lot about this. I feel sick about being fixated on sex, for even having a sex drive. I feel like an idiot for being interested in sex,...
ojmalm
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I'm not concerned so much about your sex issues as I am about your tendency to hijack every single thread and turn it into something about you. ... -- there...
a.f.wilson
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Will the moderator of this group please delete my postings on this topic?...
ojmalm
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If you regret your posts you shouldn't have written them. You can't change what you've done. If you ever get laid, there will be no one to beg, "I want my...
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Isn't there a moderator here who can delete postings like these? ... to...
ojmalm
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... There is no way to delete postings to a mailing lists. The messages have already been delivered to people's mailboxes. It would be technically possible...
David Brown
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... It does, but I very rarely delete posts from the archive; I'll generally only do that if a piece of spam somehow slips thru to the group, or if there's...
Parrish S. Knight
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Mar 5, 2005
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I already quit AS-People -- I'm not quitting this group too. I really wish we could stop having these sex and marriage threads -- most Aspies are not...
ojmalm
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SPeak for yourself, I have been in a marriage and am in a partnership now and it has given me and my partner (who is also on the spectrum) food for thought. I...
JANE
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Mar 5, 2005
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Don't forget that most Aspie women do get boyfriends and/or husbands while Aspie men, because of their immaturity and very extreme bullying never start dating...
ojmalm
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Mar 5, 2005
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... That's wildly inaccurate garbage. First, it's not a lack of social skills that keeps autistic men from having partners, it's whether they have contact with...
Denise DeGraf
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What I find interesting about this marriage/dating posting thread... is I wonder if this is different for gay AS people. I am first thinking gay AS people...
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Mar 6, 2005
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My experience as a bi female was that NT women (gay or straight) expect a higher level of NT-style social pragmatics from other women than they expect from...
a.f.wilson
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I suppose with heterosexual relations you often have that whole "women are from Venus, men are from Mars" mentality going on. So maybe a greater degree of...
Gatto Fritto
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Maybe if you would quit your very extreme bullying you would have better luck with women....
Gatto Fritto
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I know, I know... I don't know, really, I think I've been raised indirectly into believing that casual sex or any interest in it is socially unacceptable and...
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