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RE: Group start date: how it is defined

Hi! Arthur
As you point out, the Conference-approved pamphlet "The Group" says that "The
main difference between meetings and groups is that A.A. groups generally
continue to exist outside the prescribed meeting hours, ready to provide Twelfth
Step help when needed. A.A. groups are encouraged to register with G.S.O., as
well as with their local offices: area, district, intergroup or central office."
As I understand it, the means for existing outside of "meeting hours" -- that
is, to be more than simply a meeting -- is to have the service structure
suggested in that pamphlet, and to link with Intergroup (by means of an
Intergroup Representative) and with the General Service Structure (by means of a
GSR). Hence my statement that the creation of the service structure leads to a
quick test of what's a group and what's a meeting. I did not say that was AA's
view -- as you well know, neither I (having studied AA) nor you (having studied
AA and being an active member of the General Service Structure, as you say) can
speak for AA. The "Twelve Concepts" may not be ambiguous, but the "Twelve
Concepts" plus "The Group" pamphlet seem to present a certain degree of
ambiguity (see also Jack Norris's attempt to distinguish between special-purpose
groups, which may suffer from the "other affiliations" problem, and
special-purpose meetings). I remained convinced that, if there is to be a
distinction between a group and a meeting, it must lie in participation in the
service structure, and the quickest test is whether there is a GSR or could be
if requirements ("suggestions") for selection as GSR can be met. Of course, if
a group which has two meetings says each one is a separate group, and claims the
right therefore to two GSRs, presumably General Service must go along with it (I
know an example in Area 59, District 36). Yes, a group is a group if it says
it's a group, if you like -- that's the historical precedent, with which we as
historians are concerned -- but the proof (another historical precedent for much
of AA) is in the action. If it acts like a group, it's a group. If it doesn't,
what's the point of saying it is one? And btw, if there are no home-group
members, what is it that's a group? [P.S. -- I think NA refers to a GR, tho'
here I speak under correction.]--
Jared





Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:20 pm

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A group start date is based on when the second sober alcoholic shows up to join with the first sober alcoholic. When they had the first meeting does not...
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True for you, Arthur -- but the creation of the service structure and thus of Group Representatives (GRs, now General Service Representatives, GSRs) leads to a...
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From Arthur S., GRault, and Larry Tooley - - - - "Arthur S" <ArtSheehan@...> (ArtSheehan at msn.com) Hi Jared I'm an active member in the General Service...
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Hi! Arthur As you point out, the Conference-approved pamphlet "The Group" says that "The main difference between meetings and groups is that A.A. groups...
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From Arthur S., Tim T., and Jon Markle - - - - From: "Arthur S" <ArtSheehan@...> (ArtSheehan at msn.com) Jared on this one I guess we'll have to do the old...
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In Los Angeles our AA meeting directory says that the first meeting in L.A. took place on December 19, 1939 but that meeting died out. The first meeting that...
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Hello,   There has always been some cloud of controversy about the founding of AA in Los Angeles. Kaye Miller, non-alcoholic, claimed that 1st meeting that...
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On Wash DC it's the boys of '39 (and Nov at that) tho' Florence and Fitz tried independently in 1937 or 1938, apparently. The 1995 WAIA History is on the net...
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In order to keep the first 25 list accurate with source references please cite your source for dates of groups.   i.e. Philadelphia & Chicago.   Thanks - - -...
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For Philadelphia both Johnny L's letter to Ruth Hock and Jimmy B's reminiscences are available on line (silkworth and barefoot, I think). - - - -...
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