If you run it once in Auto mode (DC or SWAP) you get about 15 'total' ppm. If you let that batch rest for a couple of hours and run it again in auto it will hit about 20 total ppm before it switches off.

In a pint, if you then leave it running in manual/DC mode, you will add about 1 ppm every 4 mins. (DC mode is sometimes more predictable when using 'time' to add ppm).

Yes if you want to run it for an extended time to add ppm it would be best to wipe the electrodes occasionally or much of the extra added silver you are dissolving is just going to stick to the electrodes. (Although using stirring and using SWAP mode should make wiping unnecessary.)

You need to understand that above about 20ppm you are reaching or exceeding the saturation point of silver in water so you are making a batch that is probably not stable and will not store well. (So use it soon.)

The saturation point of dissolved ionic silver is somewhere around 26 ppm. Above that you are just producing a lot of 'particles' that may or may not stay 'colloidal' for very long. Particles are not measurable with a meter either so meters will give you no idea of the strength of the CS once its above about 20 ppm.

Above 20ppm you are really getting into 'guesswork territory' so don't expect simple answers.

The Silver Puppy shuts off at about 15 ppm for good reason. Above 15 ppm things start to get very unpredictable and results are very inconsistent.

David

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, Michelle M Ress <Safoocat@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Lydia,
>  
> When I made a stronger batch I simple left it on swap but set the other switch
> to manual.
>  
> What is the purpose of letting the batch sit overnight? I don't think it does
> anything on its own.
>
> ‹(•¿•)›
> Michelle Ress Felton, CA
>
> To have more, desire less.
>
> --- On Sun, 12/20/09, Lydia Flynn <bflynn2@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Lydia Flynn <bflynn2@...>
> Subject: [4COLLOIDALSILVER] Puppy question
> To: 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 6:03 PM
>
>
> To Ode or anyone out there who knows how to use a Silver Puppy,
>
> I'm making my first homemade batch with my new silver puppy generator 
> and I want to make the CS stronger than "plug-n-play".
> If I let the batch sit overnight before resetting, am I letting it 
> sit with or without the wiped electrodes in the water? Does it matter?
> If I decide to make the batch stronger the "faster" way ie by 
> switching to manual and running for another 4 hours for a pint, do I 
> leave the other switch on "swap" or should it be set to "DC"?   Does 
> it matter?
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Lydia
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

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Well,  It still made me smile!!
Linda

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "Uncleben" <cncsmetal@...> wrote:
>
>
> Not understanding this at all but this cartoon crap IS NOT WHAT I THOUGHT I
SENT... So sorry...
>
> Uncleben ..
>

Not understanding this at all but this cartoon crap IS NOT WHAT I THOUGHT I
SENT... So sorry...

Uncleben ..

I'm not sure how that happened but THIS is the one I thought I sent...


http://ak.imgag.com/imgag/product/preview/flash/pdShell.swf?ihost=http://ak.imga\
g.com/imgag&brandldrPath=/product/full/el/&cardNum=/product/full/ap/3173\
936/graphic1

> I'm not ashamed to say... this brought tears to my eyes...
>
>
http://ak.imgag.com/imgag/product/preview/flash/pdShell.swf?ihost=http://ak.imga\
g.com/imgag&brandldrPath=/product/full/el/&cardNum=/product/full/ap/3173\
936/graphic1
>
> Uncleben ..

But it's not Mother's Day!  It's Christmas!  Snow, not flowers!  The smell of
pine, not roses.
But, it did give me a smile!

Linda
>

I'm not ashamed to say... this brought tears to my eyes...

http://ak.imgag.com/imgag/product/preview/flash/pdShell.swf?ihost=http://ak.imga\
g.com/imgag&brandldrPath=/product/full/el/&cardNum=/product/full/ap/3173\
936/graphic1

Uncleben ..

The Auto Off senses the conductivity of the water.
   When you let fresh EIS [CS} sit, the conductivity drops until the drop
stops and can be built back up to where the conductivity sensing circuit
turns the generator off again.
   Each time that is done, the conductivity drops about half as much.

   So, say the machine stops at 20 uS conductivity and a quart of water
drops back to 10 uS [and at that point, 10 uS = 10 PPM because the silver
is still in the water and didn't go anywhere and before that drop back, 20
uS was still 10 PPM  ]

Another little nuance is that larger batches drop back more than smaller
batches...so, if you run a pint up to 20 uS it will drop back to around 15
uS / PPM on the first run [In that case 20 uS was 15 PPM]

   If you want 15 PPM in a qaurt, you rerun it back to 20 uS where it shuts
off and it will drop back to 15 uS over some period of time [ the same
"number" as 15 PPM even if it isn't the same thing ]

   Each time that is done, the silver that's in there is still there and you
only add a little bit to get back up to 20 uS, so it takes that much less
time to rerun.

   At some point the machine won't stay running at all and you have 20 PPM @
20 uS


OR

   You can go to manual mode so the machine WON'T shut down, run it up to 40
uS and let it drop back to 20 uS to get 20 PPM.
   But that gets a bit iffy because conductivity rise isn't at a linear rate
past 30 uS due to the solubility limits of water and super saturating the
water can lead to other problems with trace contaminants you wouldn't
otherwise encounter.

It's like superheating very pure water past its' boiling point and it
doesn't boil because there nothing in there for a bubble to nucleate on.
   Then you dip a spoon into it and it explodes.
   Same deal as "Mentos" and Coke and why a soft drink gets real fizzy when
you add ice.

   The supersaturated solution wants to make crystals, but won't if there
isn't anything to nucleate a crystal around...but even distilled water is
rarely that pure...so whatever can happen, will happen.

Ode


At 02:50 PM 12/21/2009 -0800, you wrote:
>
>
>Hi Lydia,
>
>When I made a stronger batch I simple left it on swap but set the other switch
>to manual.
>
>What is the purpose of letting the batch sit overnight? I don't think it does
>anything on its own.
>
>‹(•Â¿•)â€)›
>Michelle Ress Felton, CA
>
>To have more, desire less.
>
>--- On Sun, 12/20/09, Lydia Flynn <bflynn2@...> wrote:
>>
>>From: Lydia Flynn <bflynn2@...>
>>Subject: [4COLLOIDALSILVER] Puppy question
>>To: 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com
>>Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 6:03 PM
>>
>>To Ode or anyone out there who knows how to use a Silver Puppy,
>>
>>I'm making my first homemade batch with my new silver puppy generator
>>and I want to make the CS stronger than "plug-n-play".
>>If I let the batch sit overnight before resetting, am I letting it
>>sit with or without the wiped electrodes in the water? Does it matter?
>>If I decide to make the batch stronger the "faster" way ie by
>>switching to manual and running for another 4 hours for a pint, do I
>>leave the other switch on "swap" or should it be set to "DC"?   Does
>>it matter?
>>
>>Thanks and regards,
>>
>>Lydia
>>
>>
>>------------------------------------
>>
>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>     (Yahoo! ID required)
>>
>>
>>
>><http://us.mc359.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=4COLLOIDALSILVER-fullfeatured@ya\
hoogroups.com>4COLLOIDALSILVER-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
>>
>>
>

At 09:03 PM 12/20/2009 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>To Ode or anyone out there who knows how to use a Silver Puppy,
>
>I'm making my first homemade batch with my new silver puppy generator
>and I want to make the CS stronger than "plug-n-play".
>If I let the batch sit overnight before resetting, am I letting it
>sit with or without the wiped electrodes in the water? Does it matter?

   Doesn't matter very much.
If they look cruddy, wipe em off [ personally, I rarely bother as anything
that falls off of them will sink to the bottom in a while ]

>If I decide to make the batch stronger the "faster" way ie by
>switching to manual and running for another 4 hours for a pint, do I
>leave the other switch on "swap" or should it be set to "DC"? Does
>it matter?


Nope.
It's just two different ways to get the same thing done.
However, DC will build up some crud on the electrodes in 4 hours.

Ode


>Thanks and regards,
>
>Lydia
>

If you run it once in Auto mode (DC or SWAP) you get about 15 'total' ppm.  If
you let that batch rest for a couple of hours and run it again in auto it will
hit about 20 total ppm before it switches off.

In a pint, if you then leave it running in manual/DC mode, you will add about 1
ppm every 4 mins. (DC mode is sometimes more predictable when using 'time' to
add ppm).

Yes if you want to run it for an extended time to add ppm it would be best to
wipe the electrodes occasionally or much of the extra added silver you are
dissolving is just going to stick to the electrodes. (Although using stirring
and using SWAP mode should make wiping unnecessary.)

You need to understand that above about 20ppm you are reaching or exceeding the
saturation point of silver in water so you are making a batch that is probably
not stable and will not store well. (So use it soon.)

The saturation point of dissolved ionic silver is somewhere around 26 ppm. 
Above that you are just producing a lot of 'particles' that may or may not stay
'colloidal' for very long. Particles are not measurable with a meter either so
meters will give you no idea of the strength of the CS once its above about 20
ppm.

Above 20ppm you are really getting into 'guesswork territory' so don't expect
simple  answers.

The Silver Puppy shuts off at about 15 ppm for good reason. Above 15 ppm things
start to get very unpredictable and results are very inconsistent.


David









--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, Michelle M Ress <Safoocat@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Lydia,
>  
> When I made a stronger batch I simple left it on swap but set the other switch
> to manual.
>  
> What is the purpose of letting the batch sit overnight? I don't think it does
> anything on its own.
>
> ‹(•¿•)›
> Michelle Ress Felton, CA
>
> To have more, desire less.
>
> --- On Sun, 12/20/09, Lydia Flynn <bflynn2@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Lydia Flynn <bflynn2@...>
> Subject: [4COLLOIDALSILVER] Puppy question
> To: 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 6:03 PM
>
>
> To Ode or anyone out there who knows how to use a Silver Puppy,
>
> I'm making my first homemade batch with my new silver puppy generator 
> and I want to make the CS stronger than "plug-n-play".
> If I let the batch sit overnight before resetting, am I letting it 
> sit with or without the wiped electrodes in the water? Does it matter?
> If I decide to make the batch stronger the "faster" way ie by 
> switching to manual and running for another 4 hours for a pint, do I 
> leave the other switch on "swap" or should it be set to "DC"?   Does 
> it matter?
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Lydia
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

To Ode or anyone out there who knows how to use a Silver Puppy,

I'm making my first homemade batch with my new silver puppy generator
and I want to make the CS stronger than "plug-n-play".
If I let the batch sit overnight before resetting, am I letting it
sit with or without the wiped electrodes in the water? Does it matter?
If I decide to make the batch stronger the "faster" way ie by
switching to manual and running for another 4 hours for a pint, do I
leave the other switch on "swap" or should it be set to "DC"?   Does
it matter?

Thanks and regards,

Lydia

Thanks for this, it made my day.

Nikki

I could point you to 6 places that are "controlling it all"
   Manipulation, sure and hundreds of manipulators.
"Control"  don't need it for what is going on to go on when "we" won't.

   Nobody is "in control", but several opposing entities are trying for it.
   A few opportunists with an organized agenda will do.
..same ole "king of the hill" crap that's been going on for eons

At 12:17 PM 12/18/2009 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>Ode:
>Go to <http://www.vaticanassasins.org>www.vaticanassasins.org
>to see whose controling the landscape
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:odecoyote@...>Ode Coyote
>>To:
>><mailto:4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com>4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com
>>Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 6:53 AM
>>Subject: Re: [4COLLOIDALSILVER] Re: etiquette police ...
>>
>>
>>
>>At 01:46 PM 12/17/2009 +0000, you wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > > With ALL the waste and debt tied into a bunch...with a bankruptcy
>> > vector like a rock caught in a landslide..How long can it last?
>> >Ode>
>> >
>> >The last big rock is loose, has bounced off the last ledge and is
>> >airborne... The target? All of those that do not watch..FOX NEWS..<G>
>> >
>> >Uncleben ..
>>
>>## Yea , well...we're ALL in the shadow, some headed for the edges of
>>the crater.
>>
>>Imagine a boulder with a spot light bolted to its bottom to simulate the sun.
>>
>>Coming right up ....$800 billion to bail out Freddie/Mac ....again. [Bet
>>it's done real quiet like over XMass ]
>>Last week I saw the first yard sale for prime commercial real estate
>>widely advertised on the stooge tube. [or is that now the "Flat Earth
>>Screen" ?]
>>
>>..no point in auditing the FED, nuthin there to find but Red.
>>Bernanke knows exactly what he's doing [the only thing he CAN do].....sure
>>ain't the first time in history it's been done.
>>
>>Ode
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Ode Coyote

To: 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 6:53 AM

Subject: Re: [4COLLOIDALSILVER] Re: etiquette police ...

 

At 01:46 PM 12/17/2009 +0000, you wrote:
>
>
> > With ALL the waste and debt tied into a bunch...with a bankruptcy
> vector like a rock caught in a landslide..How long can it last?
>Ode>
>
>The last big rock is loose, has bounced off the last ledge and is
>airborne... The target? All of those that do not watch..FOX NEWS..<G>
>
>Uncleben ..

## Yea , well...we're ALL in the shadow, some headed for the edges of
the crater.

Imagine a boulder with a spot light bolted to its bottom to simulate the sun.

Coming right up ....$800 billion to bail out Freddie/Mac ....again. [Bet
it's done real quiet like over XMass ]
Last week I saw the first yard sale for prime commercial real estate
widely advertised on the stooge tube. [or is that now the "Flat Earth
Screen" ?]

..no point in auditing the FED, nuthin there to find but Red.
Bernanke knows exactly what he's doing [the only thing he CAN do].....sure
ain't the first time in history it's been done.

Ode

>Funny thing about that.
A anal as NC is about insurance.. DMV only wants a policy number and they
never check and see what is on the policy.
   NOT checking would make the state complicit in negligence if the
liability "rules" were "real" [laws]

Ergo, liability IS on the driver [which is the ONLY thing that makes any
sense] and there's all sorts of bullshit "rules" that make no sense at all
to make you *believe* otherwise to pander to the ins comp lobbiests that
want to confuse the issue between liability and full coverage insurance
where *listing a car* DOES make sense.
..which makes the state complicit in a cash cow scam.

   So long as the car you are driving doesn't belong to you, you are
covered?  Pure hoowee.  Just trade titles with a kid.  Sell it to your
dog.  Become or know a notary and rent an owner wino for an hour. Once you
get the tag, you're in and can renew the registration online forever.
You only need a licence to "drive" it.
You can buy insurance with no car.  [Nope, don't own a car, but my blind
Gramma owns 6 and wants me to take her to the vet now and then]
   She can lease you one for $1 a year and you can get tags in your name
with the lease agreement and a policy number...but you don't own that
leased car.

   OK, either I'm insured for liability OR the CAR is liable, insured or
not...can't have it both ways.
   Ran  into somebody?  Sue the damned car!   Oh wait, it can't pay!  It's
broke!

   Here's another little catch 22.
   List one car, include uninsured motorist insurance and get tags for as
many as you want.
If by chance they say you AREN'T insured...you are then an uninsured
motorist.  THEY SAID SO.

   Another tactic would be to sign the self insured waiver and go to a
bonding agent for a general liability policy that insures against whatever
damage you may do in -any- manner...or give that policy number to DMV.
   A policy like that might cost more than one for a single car listing, but
if you have ten cars....

   I discussed this with a very experienced insurance agent once....not one
I had any policy with.
   He said he'd hate to meet me in court with such an utterly inescapably
logical argument. [ "lie ability", gone to Hell]

   The situation is stupendously irrational.
   You suppose the state wants this made public knowledge?
   You don't suppose that's why they never check?
You suppose the Ins Co will quietly pay up?

   The boat is loaded with holes on both sides of the hull...if somebody
figures that out....don't make em rock it.
  From their point of view:
The cash cow might jump the fence and start a stampede, so just pay that 1
in 1,000 that's not a total idiot, out of court... with a hush agreement in
tow...and no one will ever know.
   You are an oddity as nearly everyone else has bank mandated collision
insurance and never has the chance or a reason to inspect liability rules
for rationality.  It's to their advantage to over look you and keep you quiet.
   It's mostly "PO PeePs" that only have liability and they can't be sued
successfully, so there's another point for an "unspoken policy" that allows
the cash cow to eat and poop with no stink.

How it all "works"
   Feed the cash cow with one car and register all the cars you want
to.  Pay the pirates to be quiet, they don't really care how much when
noise is their enemy and everyone else falls for full ransom by way of
empty irrational threat made by stooge bullies with badges that do what
they are told to and never decide or question anything the banks and Ins
Cos want them to believe.
   If something happens, talk quietly your agent first, then to the
[corrupt] insurance commissioner if that doesn't work....and don't make waves.

If you "stay awake" and ACTUALLY know HOW to drive, it's unlikely anything
to trigger a *liable event* will ever happen...and most of those can be
handled with cash on site because awake people don't generally hit things
very hard if they ever hit them at all. [Driving a really small beer can
helps too. " It stopped right up under my front bumper !!... and there was
so much room between it and the next car, I couldn't push it that far "  ]

   Another thing:
   Since you can swap liability insurance from one car to the next for free
with a phone call and that triggers off a whole chain of paper work changes
that cost your agent money...have a meeting with the agent, give him an
unofficial list of your vehicles and get an agreement to switch according
to need.  Have a claim?  [ And you've NEVER had one] Just predate the
changed policy. [Consider a claim as being the same as a phone call made
yesterday ]  Your agent doesn't do the paying of claims, but paperwork
costs cash and if he needs a nudge, change your listing every week just for
fun and tell them you will forever, so they might as well keep a number of
same numbered policies in your file and pull out yesterdays, as needed.

They probably do that anyway, if you call them and change things
enough..just to save on work. [But won't tell you that if you have more
than one car listed, or you'll know that you don't have to in order to
drive one at a time.]

   Uninsured motorist insurance protects them if you loan out a car to
someone without their own policy and it's cheap...buy the max to make them
happy and sweeten the deal.
The listing are kept at the agents office, not the insurers office.  Pay
the premium for the highest performance or highest risk car you own and
they'll have no beef.
They would, of course, rather you be the average Dupe, but getting paid
some by a good risk is better than not getting paid at all when you go
someplace else.
   My dad used to do that.

...and that's probably why DMV never checks listings and why agents never
call them in.  They change way too fast to keep up with...ESPECIALLY when
"Po Peeps" run through cars like a junk yard......it would be a NIGHTMARE.
   Even if they did want to LOOK at the policy, you can have as many of them
as you want, that say anything you want, for nothing.  One call per year
per vehicle and you've got it in the mail.
..and we really have NO CLUE how many people do the "unspoken policy" deal
with their agents.
Or if you do have a liable accident, get on the cell phone fast before the
cops show up and time stamp the crash.
   A called in change is immediate... investigations, paperwork and claims
take time.

Might be off on this one, but I think you have ten days from any change to
"officially" transfer a tag at DMV.
   They get $11 for a transfer and $24 ??  for another tag and it's the same
amount of paperwork.  The averages say they'll make a lot more selling new
tags.
It's policy lapse, not listing lapse that requires you to turn one in or
face a fine.

Bureaucracies have functional limits they don't want peeps to know about.

   There's another strange thing going on.
My GFs Metro has been listed on her policy as a Datsun for 6 years and she
hasn't made a premium payment in 4 years, but she keeps getting her tags
renewed. [Sue her and you get nothing, she's in that area where bankruptcy
law is a protection against wage garnishment too and all they can do to her
is ruin her credit score, which she no longer needs. ]
   Last year I went to get an MC tag without getting the inspection..it
hasn't been inspected for 8 years...has never been on any policy.... and
got the tag.
What the state says and what it does ain't adding up.

   About the most damage you can do with a motorcycle [if you never have a
passenger and only an idiot would be one on that hard tail bike...never
mind the butt brain driver wearing his kidneys in his shoes] is bend
somebodies door...and DIE. [So sue that corpse ]  And 99 times out of a
hundred, it's the door that's liable.

   BAD DOOR!!  Take it into custody, make it pay.
   Doesn't that mean you get to be buried on a bent door? [paid in full]

   OK now.  No more inspection stickers.
3 metros.  Get one inspected and just swap the tag around?
   It wound up on a Ford?  Oops, wrong vehicle. "Improper
registration"  Register it properly and the ticket gets tossed....maybe a
fine once every 10 years.
They MIGHT call the Ins Co and see if the policy number is valid....but not
likely and even less likely to ask for a list of vehicles on it.
   The courts are BUSY and just want your money.

   My GF got a speeding ticket in her "illegal" Metro 3 years ago. [ 60 in a
35 zone ]
   They herded her into a corral of people there for everything from
"parking on a sidewalk backwards on saturday" to "low speed rape of male
deer" and "Breaking mommas back by stepping on crack", reduced the charges
to "failure to do right" [Improper equipment], literally ran em all down a
chute with a pay window at the end, fined everybody $60 / cost of court /
$20 fine...[cash only] and kicked them all loose.
Nice new court house, the county has no money.

Ode

> >
>Or be able to buy liability auto insurance ON YOURSELF, have multiple
>vehicles and drive whatever (one at a time of course...<G>)..what would
>your bill look like?
>
>Uncleben ..
>
>

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "Uncleben" <cncsmetal@...> wrote:
>
>And Merry Christmas to you and yours... Those boys cross my mind and prayers
more often than you might think... Hope Keelan enjoys his guitar..<G>
>
> Tio ..
>
Ahhhhhh, a long haired, harley riding, guitar playing man with a big heart! 
Thank ya kindly, sir.

Keelan LOVES his guitar.  They had Christman early due to having to fly out for
the surgery.  Kept the whole family up trying to learn how to play it in one
day.  Mom finally had to MAKE him put it down and go to bed so they could get
some rest.

Surgery date Dec. 28th.  Many, many thanks to all who pray.  IT works!

Joy!

Gail

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, Ode Coyote <odecoyote@...> wrote:>   
If you could pick the channels you get from cable/satellite instead of buying a
"package" that has 150 channels you don't watch, what would your
> bill look like?
>
Or be able to buy liability auto insurance ON YOURSELF, have multiple vehicles
and drive whatever (one at a time of course...<G>)..what would your bill look
like?

Uncleben ..

If you could pick the channels you get from cable/satellite instead of
buying a "package" that has 150 channels you don't watch, what would your
bill look like?

   As a male, I don't think Addadicktome coverage will be very useful..only
one place left to put one without over crowding. [the province of South Ben
Dover ? ]
   On the other hand, pregnancy coverage could be very useful as ..anyone
can "have a cow"

Ode



At 06:40 AM 12/17/2009 -0800, you wrote:
>
>
>Well said, Uncle Ben.
>
>This government we have drives me out of my mind.   I knew we were in
>trouble back in 1992 when George Bush and Clinton were having a town hall
>meeting forum for one of their 'debates.'
>
>Pony-tail man stands up and asks them both how as president and taking on
>the 'daddy' role for all of us, how they would take care of us.
>
>Both Bush and Clinton gave some kind of blarney about taking care of all
>their troubles and safety nets and so on.  What a pile of
>rubbish!     Predictable hogwash from a Democrat Big Government guy and
>Bush had a chance to distinguish himself from Clinton by telling the guy
>that he wasn't his daddy, and that he needs to take responsibility for
>himself.   He could even have quoted Jack Kennedy with the old 'Ask Not
>What Your Country Can Do For You....' thing.    That should have opened
>some eyes and been a great slam against the nanny-state mentality that has
>overwhelmed us.
>
>The current push to 'reform health care' has nothing to do with
>reform.  It has nothing to do with universal coverage.  It has a lot to do
>with grabbing power and I think most thinking Americans understand this.
>
>I do NOT want to insure illegal immigrants.   I do NOT want the government
>collecting my health information and making my health decisions.  I do NOT
>want them to ration my health care.  I do NOT want them to dictate what
>doctors, or anyone else can make.
>
>I WOULD like to see some real reform.   I hear Texas has taken effective
>measures to reduce the cost of medical coverage and treatment.   I'm sure
>I'm oversimplifying it, but the the thing that got my attention is that
>they have set medical malpractice caps so that it's not so profitable for
>trial lawyers.    The trial lawyers put BIG dollars in the campaign funds
>of numerous politicians with the largest share going to
>Democrats.  So..... there is NO way that the current politicians are going
>to go fro real reform.  Instead, they are going to continue to beat up us
>little folk, take us for granted, and kill the goose that laid the golden egg.
>
>In my view, the government should maintain an adequate armed force to
>protect our country.  Oversee and maintain our transportation system, and
>stay out of our lives as much as possible.   We don't need the feds to get
>involved with education.  That should be local.   We don't need them to
>control pay either with a maximum or minimum.   The list goes on.
>
>Now, if we had three choices with health care reform and they were:
>
>A - Massive overhaul with Federal Government raising taxes and forcing
>people to have insurance (Pelosi Bill) and leave millions uncovered anyway.
>
>B - No overhaul, but purchase insurance policies for those who are unable
>to afford it.  (Steve's off-the-hip comment).
>
>or
>
>C - Don't do anything regarding health care and focus on the issues that
>people are actually concerned about.
>
>I would pick C.  Choice B - buying insurance policies for those who are
>unable to afford it is a bad idea.... even if I was the one who suggested
>it.  I knew it was bad when I said it.   However I also knew it would
>be  a LOT cheaper than what they are trying to stick us with and a lot
>less intrusive.   Choice A - is a nightmare and disaster guaranteed to
>keep the US in a recession and take away our freedoms.
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>Steve G.
>
>
>
>
>--- On Thu, 12/17/09, Uncleben <cncsmetal@...> wrote:
>>
>>From: Uncleben <cncsmetal@...>
>>Subject: [4COLLOIDALSILVER] Re: Health Care Fiasco
>>To: 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com
>>Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 8:31 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>Come on, Steve.. This "I would like to propose a common sense approach to
>>the manufactured health care crisis. Anyone who can afford to buy health
>>insurance either must purchase a policy, or sign a document saying that
>>they choose to be uninsured at this time. Instead of massive tax
>>increases to all citizens and a multi-trillion dollar program and
>>rationing of health care, the federal government could enroll those
>>unable to pay for insurance policies and make the payments on those
>>peoples behalf." is BS..
>>
>>The government does not have constitutional authority to require it's
>>citizens to purchase health insurance NOR to make me pay for yours..
>>
>>You're simply trading one entitlement for another..PAID FOR by taxing
>>those of us that WORK for what we have... Taxes to run the country is one
>>thing. Taxing me to give to someone else is something else entirely...
>>The new interpretation of Eminent Domain is a good example of a bad idea
>>gone horribly wrong, thanks to the government's insatiable need for
>>higher taxable commodities. .
>>
>>We are always going to have the poor but they also have choices....and we
>>all are products of our choices.. Government handouts DO NOT help the
>>poor but makes them less able to do anything about their OWN situation
>>INCLUDING their CHOICES...
>>
>>The COMMON SENSE approach to social ills should not be a contradiction.
>>.. The contradiction here is government involvement. . Anybody watching
>>the debacle going on today should be able to comprehend what is right
>>before their eyes as proof positive.
>>
>>With no government involvement you would not have;
>>massive agency budgets
>>massive fraud
>>overpaid Little Caesar bureaucrats
>>ungodly tax bills
>>drug cartels...and the bleeping list goes on forever...
>>
>>With no government crutch, safety net, involvement period you would have
>>a society that stands on it's own two feet or falls on it's face. Either
>>way the lessons are learned. With government involvement you have a
>>nation of entitlements, massive enabling programs, unsustainable taxes,
>>ridiculous regulations. ..and another list that never ends...
>>
>>If your daughter lives just down the street she runs home to momma with
>>every problem that shows up in her life.. If she lived four states over
>>she finds her own solutions.
>>
>>This country grew to be the envy of the world IN SPITE of our government
>>NOT because of it. Over the last few decades however, it has grown to be
>>a bloated narcissist shadow of it's former self. That being the case we
>>damn sure don't need any more...government. .
>>
>>Uncleben ..
>
>

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Both ends of the magnet attract iron filings. One way would be to look for
the marking N and if that is not marked, get a magnet with end marked and
bring the suspected end to the end marked as N on the other magnet. They
should repel each other (like poles repel).

   A compass needle is marked, but it's a bit weird and backwards as the
North pole of the needle points to South.."showing" which way North is and
marked by direction vs pole...so, it's the North pole of your magnet that
attracts the marked pointing North [ aka "North seeking"] end of a compass
needle which is actually the [scientific] South pole of that needle magnet.


Another way would be to tie a string to the magnet in its center and
suspend it from your hand. The North pole faces South and the South pole
faces the North.  [because N attracts S. and vice versa...seeking a direction.]

Ode

At 01:48 PM 12/17/2009 +0000, you wrote:
>
>
>Ode
>My CS is on standby as is the lysine lol
>Could you please tell me the place to get the cheap medical magnets please?
>Regards
>Brian
><http://www.simplytortoise.co.uk/>www.simplytortoise.co.uk
>
>Merry Christmas everyone......
>
>
>
>
>From: Ode Coyote <odecoyote@...>
>To: 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Thu, 17 December, 2009 11:52:21
>Subject: Re: [4COLLOIDALSILVER] Re: Cold sores
>
>
>
>
>
>Every time i see someone with a cold sore, i give them some CS.
>To date, every one of them has said it's the best thing they ever tried.
>
>Doesn't "cure" the herpes, but makes outbreaks quite rare, far less
>severe and short.
>Use it soon enough and the sore doesn't develop at all.
>
>Ode
>
>At 10:02 PM 12/15/2009 -0800, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >Oral herpes and genital herpes are both 'incurable' according to popular
> >medicine. They both come and go in outbreaks and stress or acidic foods
> >and other things will bring them on.
> >
> >What I'd like to know is whether cs would put an end to cold sores. A
> >friend of mine online tonight just told me that she had a cold sore on her
> >tongue and her doctor put silver nitrate on it and said she'd be fine. I
> >told her that silver nitrate is effective for the same reason that
> >colloidal silver is.
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- On Tue, 12/15/09, Michelle M Ress
> <<mailto:Safoocat%40yahoo.com>Safoocat@yahoo. com> wrote:
> >>
> >>From: Michelle M Ress <<mailto:Safoocat%40yahoo.com>Safoocat@yahoo. com>
> >>Subject: Re: [4COLLOIDALSILVER] Re: Cold sores
> >>To: <mailto:4COLLOIDALSILVER%40yahoogroups.com>4COLLOIDALSILVER@
> yahoogroups. com
> >>Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 1:34 PM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Hi Brian,
> >>
> >>Me again, just checked your website the first thing that jumped out at me
> >>is the open
> >>would on your finger holding the toroise then later reading about herpes.
> >>Could it be
> >>you're getting infected from you tortoises?
> >>
> >>â€Â¹(•Â¢Ã‚¿•)•)â€Âº
> >>Michelle Ress Felton, CA
> >>
> >>To have more,, desire less.
> >>
> >>--- On Mon, 12/14/09, Brian - <simplytortoise@ rocketmail. com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>From: Brian - <simplytortoise@ rocketmail. com>
> >>>Subject: Re: [4COLLOIDALSILVER] Re: Cold sores
> >>>To: 4COLLOIDALSILVER@ yahoogroups.. com
> >>>Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 7:43 AM
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Just checked my multi vitamin supplement i am taking while on Atkins
> >>>diet. It includes 100% of vitamin B12. It will be interesting to figure
> >>>out what causes my cold sores, hopefully i will be free of them this
> year lol.
> >>>
> >>>Brian
> >>><<http://www.simplytortoise.co.uk/>http://www.simplyto rtoise.co.
> uk/>www.simplytortoise . co.uk
> >>>
> >>>Merry Christmas everyone..... ..
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>From: wanda85929 <wanda85929@ yahoo. com>
> >>>To: 4COLLOIDALSILVER@ yahoogroups. com
> >>>Sent: Sun, 13 December, 2009 23:38:30
> >>>Subject: [4COLLOIDALSILVER] Re: Cold sores
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>An interesting tidbit regarding cold sores: A medical study was done in
> >>>England (I believe) that found a large percentage of people who
> >>>frequently have out breaks were low in B12. Supplementing helped. I knew
> >>>about the lysine but just learned about the B12. Interesting. gail
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
>
>
>

Interesting that a party that doesn't even exist has out stripped both
established parties AND the independent lump parties in the polls.

The Tea Party

   The Repubs have been absorbing Libertarians for a while and will likely
make a come back with a new face and philosophy in 2010.
   But...way too late.

[not all Libertarians are 90% on the mark and 10% totally whacko like Ron
Paul ]

Ode



At 01:39 PM 12/17/2009 +0000, you wrote:
>
>
>--- In
><mailto:4COLLOIDALSILVER%40yahoogroups.com>4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com,
>DIANA DEAN <dianade@...> wrote:
> > Uncleben, if you ever run for office, you have my vote. Diana>
>
>Thank you but I'd be the most hated man in the country because (of
>necessity) I would probably step on almost everybody's toes out there and
>would certainly not be re-elected (if I survived the assassination
>attempts) (<G>)
>
>Others have suggested that but I'm not sure that their motivation had my
>good health in mind.. <G>
>
>Uncleben ..
>
>

At 01:46 PM 12/17/2009 +0000, you wrote:
>
>
> > With ALL the waste and debt tied into a bunch...with a bankruptcy
> vector like a rock caught in a landslide..How long can it last?
>Ode>
>
>The last big rock is loose, has bounced off the last ledge and is
>airborne... The target? All of those that do not watch..FOX NEWS..<G>
>
>Uncleben ..


    ##  Yea , well...we're ALL in the shadow, some headed for the edges of
the crater.

Imagine a boulder with a spot light bolted to its bottom to simulate the sun.

Coming right up ....$800 billion to bail out Freddie/Mac ....again. [Bet
it's done real quiet like over XMass ]
   Last week I saw the first yard sale for prime commercial real estate
widely advertised on the stooge tube. [or is that now the "Flat Earth
Screen" ?]

..no point in auditing the FED, nuthin there to find but Red.
Bernanke knows exactly what he's doing [the only thing he CAN do].....sure
ain't the first time in history it's been done.

Ode

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "wanda85929" <wanda85929@...> wrote:
> Merry Christmas, Tio.
>
> Gail
>
And Merry Christmas to you and yours... Those boys cross my mind and prayers
more often than you might think... Hope Keelan enjoys his guitar..<G>

Tio ..

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "Uncleben" <cncsmetal@...> wrote:
>
> --- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, Steve <chuberry@> wrote:
> > Pony-tail man stands up and asks.....>
>
  here I am, 64 years old, hair down to my shoulder blades and worn in a ponytail
when the wind blows..
> Uncleben ..
>
But hey! the man has hair. <G>  Not all 64 year old men/women do!

Merry Christmas, Tio.

Gail