Liqueur store for glass and recycle bin for the plastic water bottles
'cause I'll not pay more for water than gasoline.

Ode


At 07:04 PM 8/31/2008 +0000, you wrote:

>Where does everyone purchase their bottles to store CS in?
>
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well I need to ship these bottles and glass would be expensive. I have
been reading that PET plastic would be ok to use. Do you have info on
PET plastic. A very interesting article though I remember reading
about it some years ago.

I use the bottles distilled water comes in.
sol

eyeletz wrote:
> Where does everyone purchase their bottles to store CS in?
>
>
>

that's what I use here but I will need to mail my son some for his
puppy and I have read to use the PET cobalt blue plastic but I can't
find 16 oz size

Where does everyone purchase their bottles to store CS in?

Article is not about taking CS internally, but it is about silver and
how it works in another health application. It sort of opens the door
a crack.

http://www.wellnessresources.com/health/articles/hi_ho_silver_powerful_immune_su\
pport/?source=Email&camp=news082508

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I don't have a  picture of a specific person in my mind.
   I pointed out a common probability to create a possible context to apply
a different viewpoint to and some illustrations of how they could be viewed.

    And it's never my intent to judge.

   People play sacrificial dovetail survival games with appearances tools,
everyone is insecure.
When in the middle of it all, things don't look like what they are.

"Giving" can be as much a con as the taking other end of it...a "set up".
   When someone makes a big deal out of giving, look for what they are out
to take.
Or what they DID take and are trying to guilt trip you into ignoring.
   The *giving game* tends to attract takers to take from, if nothing more
than a heroic appearance by comparisons.

I might let you believe you fooled me.

So.
"Doing everything"...with what.
and
   What made everything, to do?

They made a deal they couldn't live with, that's all.
   It wasn't the one they wrote down.
Could have realized what it was, sooner...but didn't.
And they probably still don't know.
   It's all been justified on all sides.
   Minds "made up"

   My present GF did everything with nothing, raised 4 kids and a fairly big
chunk of 3 grandkids, hubby went off for a pack of smokes 20 years ago.
   No food stamps, no child support or anything but knuckle down.   She's no
whiner.  She's not a manipulator. [well, she has her moments but isn't
afraid to look at her programming]
   Daughter, a bitchy selfish defensive babe, spit out 3 to try and leverage
her drunken butthole of a husband and she's still a "child" with Momma
bailing her boat for years, Momma still paying off the loans it took to do
that and now daughter is "doing everything" while her new husband gets shot
at as he provides *everything to do everything with*, using those kids to
leverage HIM into her fence.

She's beginning to understand that de fences keep people out too.....it's
an invitation to jump.... and her opinion of "doing everything" isn't enough.
3 of my favorite kids BTW, and not a whole lot of respect for their Mom
..but growing as she realizes that she IS smart and her husband isn't, but
he's stronger than she is and her brains can help him help her  when she
puts them to that use...*manipulation* is not good or bad.....that the
nightmare in HIS skull is even scarier than hers...and he's quiet and
withdrawn because he doesn't want to frighten her...and appear to be weak
in her eyes as he struggles to meet his idea of her expectations...his
ability to do so, a measure of his own self worth.

   They are cutting through hard crap with a dull knife, but they just might
make it out of the martyr of the matter.

ANYTHING can be justified.

   May your daughter AND her ex, her daughter and Grandma figure it out
.....and own their own happiness.
It's the only way to have it.
   Ya just can't get it "from" somewhere.
   No one else makes it.

   Body chemistry can make you "feel like" you are happy and the deeds of
others can trigger that chemistry.
   The lower the low, the higher the high.
Junkies know that game well...but if they knew they were playing it, they
probably wouldn't be junkies.

   No one else makes your insecurity either, pin the source on whatever
donkey you may...in truth, everyone is insecure all on their own.
It's just part of the human terrain.....a mental landscape.

   "Love" is usually a chemical addiction.
I learned that the hard way.
   I had great teachers to kick me with my foot.
   Now I know, I DON'T know ....what it really is.
Quite probably can't know.


Ponder:
   If you own happiness, the universe orders itself in your perceptions to
have a place to justify it.
   If you are seeking it........the "search" is justified the same way.

Physical reality IS ....a "Self validating perceptual feedback loop"
   Change attitude and the universe of experience justifies THAT.
   But it always asks you: "Are you sure?..let's see it I can help you not
change your mind for a while....just to be sure"


   Using human auto racing as an illustration:

   Thought as things, has inertia.
   Things are events, thought made concrete by the thought of space and time
to speed it up and slow it down, in...the track.

   Sometimes you turn too fast, lose traction and spin out.
   Lotsa smoke, can't see diddily OR don'tily...everyone has  to guess at
where to go.
   A spotter can help, but isn't in control and can't see everything.
   Gotta turn a mind frame within *your* time frame.
That means that it takes what it takes. [and everyone else is helping you
by being the wall you don't want to hit ]

Out, off, running first or last, everyone who shows up wins something at
the checkered-past flag time.
If you do use that wall to stay on the track, your body of thought will be
pretty banged up when you get there.

The drivers can't see the instant re-play till after that and don't often
know what happened.....just "feel like" they do and can be very emotional
about it.
   It all looks different when you're in it.
   But the spirits in the stands can.  They are cheering you on, mistakes
and all.
   For every entity in the stands there's thousands watching on TV
You do have a fan club.  They are the same as you, not driving for now.
   When you climb out of that burning wreck unharmed, take a bow.

You earned it with the drama.
   You thought you were gonna die...you you... hero.

You'd have a hard time walking around if your legs *weren't* connected by a
butthole and some tain't.
   They are why you walk..attracted to and repelled from...and there's a
shoe on that other foot, each an image of the other with laces in their
eyes running vision in nots, all tied up with something stink afoot.

Two wrongs might not make a right, but 3 lefts does.
   4 lefts is racing?? ..or is that a spider spinning a web to be stuck
making a living on by way of entrapment..trailing his/her past around?
   Cobwebs are useless dust collectors on the self.

Ode

At 03:16 PM 8/20/2008 +0000, you wrote:

>Sorry:)
>My Bad.
>I should know by now that things cant be explained in a few words online.
>No use trying.
>Yet I must straighten something out...Donna is was and probably always
>will be a worker.
>She walked away from what seemed to be a very luxurious life.
>People thought she was nuts...but she was simply overburdened by what had
>been placed on her shoulders over the years with no help from her man.
>Yes, he ran a successfull business..period.
>Everything else was done by Donna....everything.
>There are two kinds of people in the world...givers and takers.
>Gary is a taker   Donna is a giver.
>Damn near killed her.
>Still, she maintains her integrity...she has completely changed her
>workplace for the better...no more backbiting...she has assembled a team.
>When she has dinner with a man...she takes her turn at paying .
>Donna has faults, plenty..but in no way does she resemble the picture you
>painted.
>Again, my bad.
>My only excuse is lonliness...I find it very difficult to give up the
>freedom of being able to cook and clean and drive ...and so I find myself
>speaking to frankly...not to many, I only have two groups and I just
>signed off of the other one.
>Please erase the picture you seem to have of my daughter from you
>mind...she is nothing like what you are seeing.  V.
>

I've followed Ode on other lists too.

He doesn't attack.
And can't be attacked...

He never gets insulted.

He observes, and  self educates.

Actually, he's an inspiration in the psychology of human nature, and
an example to emulate.

Between Ode and Brookes Bradley, I am becoming educated.

If something strikes home, it'd be a good idea for self introspection.

						 Chuck
How do you tell when you run out of invisible ink?


On 8/20/2008 4:43:59 PM, vwolf21@... wrote:
> O.K. I will take your word...sure seemed like he was attacking Donna for
> some reason. V.

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-------------- Original message --------------
From: "uncleben75708" <cncsmetal@...>

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, vwolf21@... wrote:
>
Please erase the picture you seem to have of my daughter from you
mind...she is nothing like what you are seeing. V.
>

V, Ode was not talking about your daughter.. He was just generalizing,
which is what he does... Lifes' lessons ala Ode...

Uncleben ..

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, vwolf21@... wrote:
>
  Please erase the picture you seem to have of my daughter from you
mind...she is nothing like what you are seeing.  V.
>

  V, Ode was not talking about your daughter.. He was just generalizing,
which is what he does... Lifes' lessons ala Ode...

Uncleben ..

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, vwolf21@... wrote:
>
  Please erase the picture you seem to have of my daughter from you
mind...she is nothing like what you are seeing.  V.
>

  V, Ode was not talking about your daughter.. He was just generalizing,
which is what he does... Lifes' lessons ala Ode...

Uncleben ..

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From: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@...>

PS. If anyone has a few extra bucks they'd like to see go towards good causes where self sufficiency is encouraged,  where their $$$ keep on getting recycled and giving...heres a link. Loans that change lives http://www.kiva.org/   Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html --- On Wed, 8/20/08, Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com> Subject: [4COLLOIDALSILVER] Re: 4COLLOIDALSILVER] Re: And we know... what??/raising taxes/Ideals To: 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 8:33 AM Ode - Thanks. It's a keeper.  Really nice.  Your philosophy reminds me of this.... http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Pay_it_forward There are few exceptions in the world today and those that are the exceptions realize that its not a "just about me" thing. Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp. gsfc.nasa. gov/apod/ archivepix. html --- On Tue, 8/19/08, vwolf21@comcast. net <vwolf21@comcast. net> wrote: From: vwolf21@comcast. net <vwolf21@comcast. net> Subject: Re: [SPAM][4COLLOIDALSI LVER] Re: And we know... what??/raising taxes/Ideals To: 4COLLOIDALSILVER@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 1:04 PM  Hey, Ode  I like what you say and you have titled it "sharing"... as I read your post...my mind retitles it.. "Self Sufficiency" .   ------------ -- Original message ------------ -- From: Ode Coyote <odecoyote@alltel. net> At 05:41 PM 8/17/2008 +0000, you wrote: >Well, my friend...now you are cooking with gas as we said in the days of >old. >As I read this, my head is bobbing up and down and I am about to give >myself a headache if I dont stop:) >Well written. V > ### "Sharing": Sharing does not diminish that which is shared. One cannot share a commodity. One can only share the means to produce one. Sharing is a tool redistribution network and the tools should be shined up, repaired, improved and maintained before they are returned to the depot. The act of using tools tells the user how to improve them. "value added" with better function *as* it's being used = enlightened self interest. You did it for yourself to make YOUR job easier, and others benefit by default after you get done. Return it improved, and the next user may well improve it further. "Value Added": If a crafts mans house i s burning, he'll get his tools out first. [then his kids? ] I needed a shop I built a shop. [ 6 years later I built a house..now, it's mostly shop too. Never try to sell an $800 vacuum cleaner to someone who has a drill press in the living room. He has a better one made out of junk for nothing ] Anyone can use the shop and all the tools in it, no charge. Rules: Put the tools away, sweep the floor, if you break something... fix or replace it, get done and out ASAP so the next can get in. If the tool you need isn't there, use the tools that are there to make that tool or go buy what you need. Once you are done with it, you have no need for it...leave it behind. I have no idea where half the tools in that shop came from. [Don't know what some of them *are*, but now and then one of those makes an idea come to light and it grows itself a use.] Most of the first tools are still there being used after 45 years. ...many ma ny engines rebuilt, things welded together, things learned by watching and doing. That shop has paid for itself with no cash transactions. Not in money, but in usefulness and a growing capability by default. A useful place attracts useful things and useful people, helping you, by helping themselves. A penny saved though effort is 30 cents to $100 an hour earned, doesn't matter who saved it...there IS a return. One day the UPS guy broke down along the road. I stopped and fixed his truck saving him time and his company a great deal of expense. His supervisor watched. Repair system 4 hours out, truck fixed in ten minutes. He brings me duck eggs and venison. He leaves with whatever extra I have, eggs or no eggs. Usually, that's something extra that someone else had...someone who used the shop to fix the truck, to weld the shovel or plumb the pipe that made growing the extra produce possible. He takes what he doesn't us e to the next guy on the UPS dime it already spent on something else. Default transport. Unclaimed items find HIS truck. A case of this, a partial of that...who knows where it goes? No waste. Even if you add value to the wind. Sailboats move on surplus. No effort need be wasted...it' s always "for something" ....if it's added to another effort. Apply effort and you'll always succeed, even if you don't know what you did. Add one to no effort and you cancel out the energy. Nothing is what got done and nothing goes nowhere with nothing learned. Scrap is just what you don't know what is yet, made as you learned how to avoid making it. It's just a heap of inspiration waiting for an idea it triggered, to apply an effort to. A badly cut plank is a tick eating bird house that reduces the need for tweezers that, not made, were made into a saw to make bad cuts with so birds will eat ticks out of your yard, laying e ggs to trade for a saw to make both good and bad cuts with effort applied. You cannot do, and not learn....how and what... to do ....to exceed the limits of your own imagination. [Gee, I didn't know I knew that! ] Now you know why a fight is called a scrap. Inspiration the hard way and lots of it to look at. An idea at work enabling itself into another idea. Minds merging through thick skulls to find the common de-dominator of the division.... . takes what it takes. Argument: "Agreeing in loud voices from different points of view" Two or more people who want the same thing, but think the other has to supply it instead of just doing it. Overheard one night after a long hot one: "Don't you think you are wrong? " ..'bout busted a gut laughing. They both looked like deer in the headlights. Then they started laughing too...common de-dominator found. ..a one, under the line, on both sides of the equation. Jesus wa s a mathe matician teaching simple basic algebra. Jesus was a quantum physicist telling us what the observer does to probability in the nonlocal field. It's ALL magic. Science is repeatable magic, an agreed upon definition of the limits of reality...that changes....where the "truth" never does and never can, known or not. Existence is pure effort and cannot not be applied. BUT..... "They know not what they do." [The children are learning... like children ] GOD is zero effort. All efforts applied all at once, hence, no effort needed to accomplish everything. It's already done. You make your reality the same way God made you, by hiding that ONE, under the line, out of view. 100% of all de vision depends entirely on 99% blindness, missing one, in order to see it as another. [and then agree with it in very loud voices ] You can only see, if you *don't* care, what you see. What happened to the whole truth? Passiona te it. What makes EVERYTHING apparent is the ability to fool oneself into believing one can't fool oneself. [the result "Looks like" proof....apparently ... true ] Gods only power is ours and we cannot not use it and still exist. Denial is the parent of all appearances. [ a very productive flow.....currently ....an ....in-continent- ce ...from a pyramidal social structure scaring the piss out ourselves? ] Dam! Ah SWAN! So, off we go to change our pants. It's ALL lies and deception, so, why not tell ourselves a *nice* whopper? We don't know what it is yet, we have made "time" that allows us to do that. Yes, "they" can get here from there and put us here. There is no there. "They" have *realized* that and we haven't...yet We ARE them, re-inventing ourselves beyond our own collective imaginations. [With enemas like that, who needs fiends. Enemas making fertilizer to breed new flowers in? ] Inspiration t akes a bit of s crapping, don't it? We don't need no stinkin hope. It is what it is.....our very own game of self discovery. Imagine that, if you can't. Imagine this: A left I over one, a belt buckle, then a right I over one. That's Two ones to stand on, under the line, both equal...walk around with it in stereo with the *i*s crossed and see what happens. Something is afoot. Observe....and there it is. "trippy" too! We WILL stumble into it. We CAN'T do it wrong, just....not right for a long time...maybe many times ....as war discovers who is left to walk around with that winking right eye...as actors become audience or re-script. [Conscript?] Like the guy I do carpentry with always says sometimes, "Bob Plumb musta took the day off. Gee, that looks like shit, but at least it was hard and took a long time. " Then the big booming voice out of the clouds.. " Split the difference, hide the crack, fuckit nailit. Can't see it from my house! The painters'll get it. Pretty work! Need some termites? " We "believe" that Gold has value, just because it's hard to find. The bigger the drama, the more commuter generated extra- terrestrials you need to make the battle scene seem real and worthy. [ "Crawl ins" ] It IS a battle of ideologies, seeking something unthought of...because. ... NEITHER known way "works" in the way we all would like and NONE of us knows how to make something we haven't imagined. We are argureeing in loud voices. But don't YOU think you are wrong? If it wasn't hard, we would not believe it has value or is of any real use.....so, why is gold a such soft and nearly useless metal? Oh scrap, Bob Plumb! Distincts Sumptin don make scents. [Purty werk! Cain't see it frum mah hayose! ] ..and that waitress yells code at the Awful House...." two ugs, One up, 'nuther easy over, a side of grunts and an awful with whipped butt tar, ..uh-cupoco- ffee, Hun?" ...a heros break, and fast. Git er done in Short order, kooks. A heck of a show! A crowded kitchen juggling act, flames and oil and water aboil. ...who cares about the lube on the food! I'd "crawl in" just to watch them make it. Ode

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From: Ode Coyote <odecoyote@...>

At 05:04 PM 8/19/2008 +0000, you wrote:

> Hey, Ode
> I like what you say and you have titled it "sharing"...as I read your
> post...my mind retitles it..
>"Self Sufficiency".
>I have a beautiful daughter...inside and out...but I am talking about the
>outer right now.

>Early on I knew she could have any man she set her mind to...and I tried
>to tell her, one of the qualities that I thought were so important
>was to have a guy who would not just be able to buy you a house but to
>build and repair and upkeep it also...

## I'm having a little bit of trouble with the statement:
'Buy *you* a house? ..and ...maintain it.
You work all the time to meet my needs and you never have any time to
stroke me.
His house. His job, more important to her than him? Turns to family?

Sounds like some ones pack mule started kicking.

My shop is mine. I built it. I paid for it. Then I shar e it, but that
doesn't make it any one elses shop.
There is a disabled woman living on the second floor. All she does is
pay her part of the utilities...probably not quite. That doesn't make it
"her" house.
After 15 years she thinks it does and she'll be bitterly disappointed some
day...like your daughter? She'll get into "defending her territory"
sometimes and gets reminded that she *can* defend herself right out of it.
An air wrench whine at 9 AM after you stayed up all night is part of it
all, you live for nothing over a "SHOP" So get up at 4 AM like the rest of
us and don't make us considerately wait for 5 hours to get busy, still too
early for you.

When my ex and I split up, she wanted $20K as her share of what she
contributed over 13 years..most of that was in beer cans and body work on
her car...that I built. [we weren't married, thank goodness]
Well, really, more like $10K, but OK, $20K. She bought some land an d a
mobile home with it. I cleared the land, set it up, built decks and car
port, driveway, well, septic and and and.
Then she wanted to sell it for a down payment on a house in town.
I offered her $20k.
She said, "But look at all the improvements."
Hey, it's "yours", sell it to someone else.....but I'll not be paying you
for my own sweat. It was free going out and it will be free coming back or
it can stay where it is and rot.

So now, your daughter has two riders of her own to whip her around and
complain about the pace.
Hummm.

..not exactly sharing, is it?
Entitlement mentality will warp the ol sense of proportions every time.

Ever see that Dale "Earn-heart" Jr commercial where he's carrying a camel
through the desert on his shoulders?
He says to the camel, "Don't leak any fluids on me now " ...and offers
it a stick of gum for it's bad breath.

They are tearing down the public housing in New Orleans, protestors stand
around in tears... "They are tearing down my home !!! "
WHO does that building belong to?
It's not "your" home and it never was...and the majority of the *occupants*
didn't treat like it was theirs either, did zero maintenance, tore
everything up and complained to the super when negligence did what it does.
I can neglect and spread litter, so it must be mine ??? [not]
It's their "living space", only loosely associated with a building...now
set free.

People who don't row their own boat do get cranky and unhappy, but it's
always the other guys oar that isn't paddling fast enough, making the boat
go in circles.
No matter whos boat it really is, it looks to them like it's theirs to
piss in.
Bad people? Nah....."They know not what they do". But not knowing
doesn't change what doing that does or what happens when hiding that from
you, becomes un-affordable.

There is no such thing as "help"...only enable , with no sense of direction.
I can only enable happiness if YOU have some to enable.
I can only share my happiness so long as you don't diminish it.
If it's "MINE", you can't.
If you believe that mine belongs to you, you are mistaken.
And you may also believe that making me less happy, will make you happier.
Manipulation. Cranky, angry....
....and be VERY unhappy upon discovering that was never the case...and
DEVASTATED to discover that I was never playing your game, just handing you
rope to see what you would do with it.

No, I am not your hangman.

Ode

>Today Donna is still beautiful and she is going to be 49 this October.
>She put in 25 years of unhappiness living with a guy who she "fell in love
>with":( when she was 14.
>He lives a few streets over...in a beautiful house.
>That house...his business...his family...all meant more to him than she did.
>Today Donna understands what I said to her whe n she was very
>young...lesson learned...the hard way.
>Right now she is focusing on getting back into the workforce, caring for
>her 12 year old daughter and her cranky old mother.
>But one of these days she will meet someone worthy of who she is...and I
>pray he has at least some of the ideals you speak of in your post. V.
>
>
>
>>-------------- Original message --------------
>>From: Ode Coyote <odecoyote@alltel.net>
>>
>>At 05:41 PM 8/17/2008 +0000, you wrote:
>>
>> >Well, my friend...now you are cooking with gas as we said in the days of
>> >old.
>> >As I read this, my head is bobbing up and down and I am about to give
>> >myself a headache if I dont stop:)
>> >Well written. V
>> >
>>### "Sharing":
>>Sharing does not diminish that which is shared.
>>
>>One cannot share a commodity.
>>One can only share the means to produce one.
>>
>>Sharing is a tool redistribution network and the tools should be shined up,
>>repaired, improved and maintained before they are returned to the depot.
>>The act of using tools tells the user how to improve them.
>>
>>"value added" with better function *as* it's being used = enlightened self
>>interest.
>>You did it for yourself to make YOUR job easier, and others benefit by
>>default after you get done.
>>
>>Return it improved, and the next user may well improve it further.
>>
>>"Value Added":
>>
>>If a crafts mans house i s burning, he'll get his tools out first. [then
>>his kids? ]
>>
>>I needed a shop
>>I built a shop. [ 6 years later I built a house..now, it's mostly shop
> gt;too. Never try to sell an $800 vacuum cleaner to someone who has a drill
>>press in the living room. He has a better one made out of junk for nothing ]
>>
>>Anyone can use the shop and all the tools in it, no charge.
>>Rules: Put the tools away, sweep the floor, if you break something...fix
>>or replace it, get done and out ASAP so the next can get in.
>>If the tool you need isn't there, use the tools that are there to make that
>>tool or go buy what you need.
>>Once you are done with it, you have no need for it...leave it behind.
>>
>>I have no idea where half the tools in that shop came from. [Don't know
>>what some of them *are*, but now and then one of those makes an idea come
>>to light and it grows itself a use.]
>>Most of the first tools are still there being used after 45 years.
>>...many many engines rebuilt, things welded together, things l earned by
>>watching and doing.
>>That shop has paid for itself with no cash transactions. Not in money,
>>but in usefulness and a growing capability by default.
>>A useful place attracts useful things and useful people, helping you, by
>>helping themselves.
>>
>>A penny saved though effort is 30 cents to $100 an hour earned, doesn't
>>matter who saved it...there IS a return.
>>
>>One day the UPS guy broke down along the road. I stopped and fixed his
>>truck saving him time and his company a great deal of expense.
>>His supervisor watched. Repair system 4 hours out, truck fixed in ten
>>minutes.
>>He brings me duck eggs and venison. He leaves with whatever extra I have,
>>eggs or no eggs.
>>Usually, that's something extra that someone else had...someone who used
>>the shop to fix the truck, to weld the shovel or plumb the pipe that made
>>growing the extra produce possible.
>>He takes what he doesn't use to the next guy on the UPS dime it already
>>spent on something else. Default transport.
>>Unclaimed items find HIS truck. A case of this, a partial of that...who
>>knows where it goes?
>>
>>No waste.
>>Even if you add value to the wind. Sailboats move on surplus.
>>No effort need be wasted...it's always "for something" ....if it's added
>>to another effort.
>>Apply effort and you'll always succeed, even if you don't know what you did.
>>
>>Add one to no effort and you cancel out the energy. Nothing is what got
>>done and nothing goes nowhere with nothing learned.
>>
>>Scrap is just what you don't know what is yet, made as you learned how to
>>avoid making it.
>>It's just a heap of inspiration waiting for an idea it triggered, to apply
> gt;an effort to.
>>A badly cut plank is a tick eating bird house that reduces the need for
>>tweezers that, not made, were made into a saw to make bad cuts with so
>>birds will eat ticks out of your yard, laying e ggs to trade for a saw to
>>make both good and bad cuts with effort applied.
>>You cannot do, and not learn....how and what... to do ....to exceed the
>>limits of your own imagination.
>>[Gee, I didn't know I knew that! ]
>>
>>Now you know why a fight is called a scrap.
>>Inspiration the hard way and lots of it to look at.
>>An idea at work enabling itself into another idea.
>>Minds merging through thick skulls to find the common de-dominator of the
>>division..... takes what it takes.
>>
>>Argument: "Agreeing in loud voices from different points of view"
>>Two or more people who want the same thing, but think the other has t o
>>supply it instead of just doing it.
>>
>>Overheard one night after a long hot one: "Don't you think you are wrong? "
>>..'bout busted a gut laughing. They both looked like deer in the headlights.
>>Then they started laughing too...common de-dominator found.
>>..a one, under the line, on both sides of the equation.
>>
>>Jesus wa s a mathematician teaching simple basic algebra.
>>Jesus was a quantum physicist telling us what the observer does to
>>probability in the nonlocal field.
>>It's ALL magic.
>>Science is repeatable magic, an agreed upon definition of the limits of
>>reality...that changes....where the "truth" never does and never can, known
>>or not.
>>
>>Existence is pure effort and cannot not be applied.
>>BUT.....
>>"They know not what they do." [The children are learning... like children ]
>>
>>GOD is zero effort. All efforts applied all at once, hence, no effort
>>needed to accomplish everything. It's already done.
>>You make your reality the same way God made you,
>>by hiding that ONE, under the line, out of view.
>>
>>100% of all de vision depends entirely on 99% blindness, missing one, in
>>order to see it as another.
>>[and then agree with it in very loud voices ]
>>You can only see, if you *don't* care, what you see.
>>What happened to the whole truth?
>>Passiona te it.
>>
>>What makes EVERYTHING apparent is the ability to fool oneself into
>>believing one can't fool oneself. [the result "Looks like"
>>proof....apparently... true ]
>>Gods only power is ours and we cannot not use it and still exist.
>>Denial is the parent of all appearances. [ a very productive
>>flow.....currently ....an ....in-co ntinent-ce ...from a pyramidal social
>>structure scaring the piss out ourselves? ]
>>Dam! Ah SWAN!
>>So, off we go to change our pants.
>>
>>It's ALL lies and deception, so, why not tell ourselves a *nice* whopper?
>>We don't know what it is yet, we have made "time" that allows us to do that.
>>
>>Yes, "they" can get here from there and put us here.
>>There is no there.
>>"They" have *realized* that and we haven't...yet
>>We ARE them, re-inventing ourselves beyond our own collective imaginations.
>>[With enemas like that, who needs fiends. Enemas making fertilizer to
>>breed new flowers in? ]
>>
>>Inspiration t akes a bit of scrapping, don't it?
>>
>>We don't need no stinkin hope.
>>It is what it is.....our very own game of self discovery.
>>Imagine that, if you can't.
>>
>>Imagine this:
>>A left I over one, a belt buckle, then a right I over one.
>>That's
>>Two ones to stand on, under the line, both equal...walk around with it in
>>stereo with the *i*s crossed and see what happens.
>>Something is afoot.
>>
>>Observe....and there it is.
>>"trippy" too!
>>
>>We WILL stumble into it.
>>We CAN'T do it wrong, just....not right for a long time...maybe many
>>times ....as war discovers who is left to walk around with that winking
>>right eye...as actors become audience or re-script. [Conscript?]
>>
>>Like the guy I do carpentry with always says sometimes, "Bob Plumb musta
>>took the day off. Gee, that looks like shit, but at least it was hard and
>>took a long time. "
>>Then the big booming voice out of the clouds.. " Split the difference,
>>hide the crack, fuckit nailit. Can't see it from my house! The
>>painters'll get it. Pretty work! Need some termites? "
>>
>>We "believe" that Gold has value, just because it's hard to find.
>>
>>The bigger the drama, the more commuter generated extra- terrestrials you
>>need to make the battle scene seem real and worthy. [ "Crawl ins" ]
>>
>>It IS a battle of ideologies, seeking something unthought of...because....
>>
>>NEITHER known way "works" in the way we all would like and NONE of us knows
>>how to make something we haven't imagined.
>>
>>We are argureeing in loud voices.
>>But don't YOU think you are wrong?
>>
>>If it wasn't hard, we would not believe it has value or is of any real
>>use.....so, why is gold a such soft and nearly useless metal?
>>
>>Oh scrap, Bob Plumb! Distincts Sumptin don make scents. [Purty
>>werk! Cain't see it frum mah hayose! ]
>>
>>..and that waitress yells code at the Awful House...." two ugs, One up,
>>'nuther easy over, a side of grunts and an awful with whipped butt tar,
>>..uh-cupoco-ffee, Hun?"
>>
>>...a heros break, and fast.
>>Git er done
>>in
>>Short order, kooks.
>>A heck of a show! A crowded kitchen juggling act, flames and oil and
>>water aboil.
>>...who cares about the lube on the food!
>>I'd "crawl in" just to watch them make it.
>>
>>Ode
>
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>6:53 PM

At 05:04 PM 8/19/2008 +0000, you wrote:

>  Hey, Ode
>  I like what you say and you have titled it "sharing"...as I read your
> post...my mind retitles it..
>"Self Sufficiency".
>I have a beautiful daughter...inside and out...but I am talking about the
>outer right now.



>Early on I knew she could have any man she set her mind to...and I tried
>to tell her, one of the qualities that I thought were so  important
>was  to have a guy who would not just be able to buy you a house but to
>build and repair and upkeep it also...

## I'm having a little bit of trouble with the statement:
   'Buy *you* a house?  ..and ...maintain it.
   You work all the time to meet my needs and you never have any time to
stroke me.
   His house. His job, more important to her than him?  Turns to family?

Sounds like some ones pack mule started kicking.

   My shop is mine.  I built it.   I paid for it.  Then I share it, but that
doesn't make it any one elses shop.
   There is a disabled woman living on the second floor.  All she does is
pay her part of the utilities...probably not quite.  That doesn't make it
"her" house.
After 15 years she thinks it does and she'll be bitterly disappointed some
day...like your daughter?  She'll get into "defending her territory"
sometimes and gets reminded that she *can* defend herself right out of it.
   An air wrench whine at 9 AM after you stayed up all night is part of it
all, you live for nothing over a "SHOP"  So get up at 4 AM like the rest of
us and don't make us considerately wait for 5 hours to get busy, still too
early for you.

   When my ex and I split up, she wanted $20K as her share of what she
contributed over 13 years..most of that was in beer cans and body work on
her car...that I built.   [we weren't married, thank goodness]
   Well, really, more like $10K, but OK, $20K.  She bought some land and a
mobile home with it.  I cleared the land, set it up, built decks and car
port, driveway, well, septic and and and.
   Then she wanted to sell it for a down payment on a house in town.
   I offered her $20k.
   She said,  "But look at all the improvements."
   Hey, it's "yours", sell it to someone else.....but I'll not be paying you
for my own sweat.  It was free going out and it will be free coming back or
it can stay where it is and rot.

   So now, your daughter has two riders of her own to whip her around and
complain about the pace.
   Hummm.

..not exactly sharing, is it?
Entitlement mentality will warp the ol sense of proportions every time.

Ever see that Dale "Earn-heart" Jr commercial where he's carrying a camel
through the desert on his shoulders?
   He says to the camel, "Don't leak any fluids on me now "  ...and offers
it a stick of gum for it's bad breath.

   They are tearing down the public housing in New Orleans, protestors stand
around in tears... "They are tearing down my home !!! "
   WHO does that building belong to?
It's not "your" home and it never was...and the majority of the *occupants*
didn't treat like it was theirs either, did zero maintenance, tore
everything up and complained to the super when negligence did what it does.
   I can neglect and spread litter, so it must be mine ???  [not]
   It's their "living space", only loosely associated with a building...now
set free.

   People who don't row their own boat do get cranky and unhappy, but it's
always the other guys oar that isn't paddling fast enough, making the boat
go in circles.
   No matter whos boat it really is, it looks to them like it's theirs to
piss in.
   Bad people?   Nah....."They know not what they do".  But not knowing
doesn't change what doing that does or what happens when hiding that from
you, becomes un-affordable.

   There is  no such thing as "help"...only enable, with no sense of direction.
I can only enable happiness if YOU have some to enable.
   I can only share my happiness so long as you don't diminish it.
   If it's "MINE", you can't.
If you believe that mine belongs to you, you are mistaken.
   And you may also believe that making me less happy, will make you happier.
   Manipulation.  Cranky, angry....
....and be VERY unhappy upon discovering that was never the case...and
DEVASTATED to discover that I was never playing your game, just handing you
rope to see what you would do with it.

No, I am not your hangman.

Ode

>Today Donna is still beautiful and she is going to be 49 this October.
>She put in 25 years of unhappiness living with a guy who she "fell in love
>with":(  when she was 14.
>He lives a few streets over...in a beautiful house.
>That house...his business...his family...all meant more to him than she did.
>Today Donna understands what I said to her when she was very
>young...lesson learned...the hard way.
>Right now she is focusing on getting back into the workforce, caring for
>her 12 year old daughter and her cranky old mother.
>But one of these days she will meet someone worthy of who she is...and I
>pray he has at least some of the ideals you speak of in your post.  V.
>
>
>
>>-------------- Original message --------------
>>From: Ode Coyote <odecoyote@...>
>>
>>At 05:41 PM 8/17/2008 +0000, you wrote:
>>
>> >Well, my friend...now you are cooking with gas as we said in the days of
>> >old.
>> >As I read this, my head is bobbing up and down and I am about to give
>> >myself a headache if I dont stop:)
>> >Well written. V
>> >
>>### "Sharing":
>>Sharing does not diminish that which is shared.
>>
>>One cannot share a commodity.
>>One can only share the means to produce one.
>>
>>Sharing is a tool redistribution network and the tools should be shined up,
>>repaired, improved and maintained before they are returned to the depot.
>>The act of using tools tells the user how to improve them.
>>
>>"value added" with better function *as* it's being used = enlightened self
>>interest.
>>You did it for yourself to make YOUR job easier, and others benefit by
>>default after you get done.
>>
>>Return it improved, and the next user may well improve it further.
>>
>>"Value Added":
>>
>>If a crafts mans house i s burning, he'll get his tools out first. [then
>>his kids? ]
>>
>>I needed a shop
>>I built a shop. [ 6 years later I built a house..now, it's mostly shop
>>too. Never try to sell an $800 vacuum cleaner to someone who has a drill
>>press in the living room. He has a better one made out of junk for nothing ]
>>
>>Anyone can use the shop and all the tools in it, no charge.
>>Rules: Put the tools away, sweep the floor, if you break something...fix
>>or replace it, get done and out ASAP so the next can get in.
>>If the tool you need isn't there, use the tools that are there to make that
>>tool or go buy what you need.
>>Once you are done with it, you have no need for it...leave it behind.
>>
>>I have no idea where half the tools in that shop came from. [Don't know
>>what some of them *are*, but now and then one of those makes an idea come
>>to light and it grows itself a use.]
>>Most of the first tools are still there being used after 45 years.
>>...many many engines rebuilt, things welded together, things learned by
>>watching and doing.
>>That shop has paid for itself with no cash transactions. Not in money,
>>but in usefulness and a growing capability by default.
>>A useful place attracts useful things and useful people, helping you, by
>>helping themselves.
>>
>>A penny saved though effort is 30 cents to $100 an hour earned, doesn't
>>matter who saved it...there IS a return.
>>
>>One day the UPS guy broke down along the road. I stopped and fixed his
>>truck saving him time and his company a great deal of expense.
>>His supervisor watched. Repair system 4 hours out, truck fixed in ten
>>minutes.
>>He brings me duck eggs and venison. He leaves with whatever extra I have,
>>eggs or no eggs.
>>Usually, that's something extra that someone else had...someone who used
>>the shop to fix the truck, to weld the shovel or plumb the pipe that made
>>growing the extra produce possible.
>>He takes what he doesn't use to the next guy on the UPS dime it already
>>spent on something else. Default transport.
>>Unclaimed items find HIS truck. A case of this, a partial of that...who
>>knows where it goes?
>>
>>No waste.
>>Even if you add value to the wind. Sailboats move on surplus.
>>No effort need be wasted...it's always "for something" ....if it's added
>>to another effort.
>>Apply effort and you'll always succeed, even if you don't know what you did.
>>
>>Add one to no effort and you cancel out the energy. Nothing is what got
>>done and nothing goes nowhere with nothing learned.
>>
>>Scrap is just what you don't know what is yet, made as you learned how to
>>avoid making it.
>>It's just a heap of inspiration waiting for an idea it triggered, to apply
>>an effort to.
>>A badly cut plank is a tick eating bird house that reduces the need for
>>tweezers that, not made, were made into a saw to make bad cuts with so
>>birds will eat ticks out of your yard, laying e ggs to trade for a saw to
>>make both good and bad cuts with effort applied.
>>You cannot do, and not learn....how and what... to do ....to exceed the
>>limits of your own imagination.
>>[Gee, I didn't know I knew that! ]
>>
>>Now you know why a fight is called a scrap.
>>Inspiration the hard way and lots of it to look at.
>>An idea at work enabling itself into another idea.
>>Minds merging through thick skulls to find the common de-dominator of the
>>division..... takes what it takes.
>>
>>Argument: "Agreeing in loud voices from different points of view"
>>Two or more people who want the same thing, but think the other has to
>>supply it instead of just doing it.
>>
>>Overheard one night after a long hot one: "Don't you think you are wrong? "
>>..'bout busted a gut laughing. They both looked like deer in the headlights.
>>Then they started laughing too...common de-dominator found.
>>..a one, under the line, on both sides of the equation.
>>
>>Jesus wa s a mathematician teaching simple basic algebra.
>>Jesus was a quantum physicist telling us what the observer does to
>>probability in the nonlocal field.
>>It's ALL magic.
>>Science is repeatable magic, an agreed upon definition of the limits of
>>reality...that changes....where the "truth" never does and never can, known
>>or not.
>>
>>Existence is pure effort and cannot not be applied.
>>BUT.....
>>"They know not what they do." [The children are learning... like children ]
>>
>>GOD is zero effort. All efforts applied all at once, hence, no effort
>>needed to accomplish everything. It's already done.
>>You make your reality the same way God made you,
>>by hiding that ONE, under the line, out of view.
>>
>>100% of all de vision depends entirely on 99% blindness, missing one, in
>>order to see it as another.
>>[and then agree with it in very loud voices ]
>>You can only see, if you *don't* care, what you see.
>>What happened to the whole truth?
>>Passiona te it.
>>
>>What makes EVERYTHING apparent is the ability to fool oneself into
>>believing one can't fool oneself. [the result "Looks like"
>>proof....apparently... true ]
>>Gods only power is ours and we cannot not use it and still exist.
>>Denial is the parent of all appearances. [ a very productive
>>flow.....currently ....an ....in-continent-ce ...from a pyramidal social
>>structure scaring the piss out ourselves? ]
>>Dam! Ah SWAN!
>>So, off we go to change our pants.
>>
>>It's ALL lies and deception, so, why not tell ourselves a *nice* whopper?
>>We don't know what it is yet, we have made "time" that allows us to do that.
>>
>>Yes, "they" can get here from there and put us here.
>>There is no there.
>>"They" have *realized* that and we haven't...yet
>>We ARE them, re-inventing ourselves beyond our own collective imaginations.
>>[With enemas like that, who needs fiends. Enemas making fertilizer to
>>breed new flowers in? ]
>>
>>Inspiration t akes a bit of scrapping, don't it?
>>
>>We don't need no stinkin hope.
>>It is what it is.....our very own game of self discovery.
>>Imagine that, if you can't.
>>
>>Imagine this:
>>A left I over one, a belt buckle, then a right I over one.
>>That's
>>Two ones to stand on, under the line, both equal...walk around with it in
>>stereo with the *i*s crossed and see what happens.
>>Something is afoot.
>>
>>Observe....and there it is.
>>"trippy" too!
>>
>>We WILL stumble into it.
>>We CAN'T do it wrong, just....not right for a long time...maybe many
>>times ....as war discovers who is left to walk around with that winking
>>right eye...as actors become audience or re-script. [Conscript?]
>>
>>Like the guy I do carpentry with always says sometimes, "Bob Plumb musta
>>took the day off. Gee, that looks like shit, but at least it was hard and
>>took a long time. "
>>Then the big booming voice out of the clouds.. " Split the difference,
>>hide the crack, fuckit nailit. Can't see it from my house! The
>>painters'll get it. Pretty work! Need some termites? "
>>
>>We "believe" that Gold has value, just because it's hard to find.
>>
>>The bigger the drama, the more commuter generated extra- terrestrials you
>>need to make the battle scene seem real and worthy. [ "Crawl ins" ]
>>
>>It IS a battle of ideologies, seeking something unthought of...because....
>>
>>NEITHER known way "works" in the way we all would like and NONE of us knows
>>how to make something we haven't imagined.
>>
>>We are argureeing in loud voices.
>>But don't YOU think you are wrong?
>>
>>If it wasn't hard, we would not believe it has value or is of any real
>>use.....so, why is gold a such soft and nearly useless metal?
>>
>>Oh scrap, Bob Plumb! Distincts Sumptin don make scents. [Purty
>>werk! Cain't see it frum mah hayose! ]
>>
>>..and that waitress yells code at the Awful House...." two ugs, One up,
>>'nuther easy over, a side of grunts and an awful with whipped butt tar,
>>..uh-cupoco-ffee, Hun?"
>>
>>...a heros break, and fast.
>>Git er done
>>in
>>Short order, kooks.
>>A heck of a show! A crowded kitchen juggling act, flames and oil and
>>water aboil.
>>...who cares about the lube on the food!
>>I'd "crawl in" just to watch them make it.
>>
>>Ode
>
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>6:53 PM

In response to the post asking about gum/teeth problems, I just
wanted to mention not to forget brushing your tongue.  Often
overlooked but lots of bacteria resides there.  Too, don't neglect
regular dental visits.  I know people who are not into health perse
one way or another.  Came down with gum desease; did the dentalal
route, nothing more.  Year later no more gum desease.  All she did
was the root cleaning.

However, one should really watch their eating/drinking habits.  Have
another case where a man only brushed his teeth first thing in the
morning and drank several cokes throughout the day.  Lost a lot of
his teeth.  On the other hands, his wife eats about the same but
doesn't drink the coke, goes the the dentist every 6 months for
regular cleaning.  When they probed her gums, they're always the
number '2'.  It does make a difference.

Wanted to also ask if any have use the product zeolite and what were
their thoughts on it?  Anybody have a good source?

Thanks,

Gail

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Ode Coyote <odecoyote@...>

At 05:41 PM 8/17/2008 +0000, you wrote:

>Well, my friend...now you are cooking with gas as we said in the days of
>old.
>As I read this, my head is bobbing up and down and I am about to give
>myself a headache if I dont stop:)
>Well written. V
>
### "Sharing":
Sharing does not diminish that which is shared.

One cannot share a commodity.
One can only share the means to produce one.

Sharing is a tool redistribution network and the tools should be shined up,
repaired, improved and maintained before they are returned to the depot.
The act of using tools tells the user how to improve them.

"value added" with better function *as* it's being used = enlightened self
interest.
You did it for yourself to make YOUR job easier, and others benefit by
default after you get done.

Return it improved, and the next user may well improve it further.

"Value Added":

If a crafts mans house i s burning, he'll get his tools out first. [then
his kids? ]

I needed a shop
I built a shop. [ 6 years later I built a house..now, it's mostly shop
too. Never try to sell an $800 vacuum cleaner to someone who has a drill
press in the living room. He has a better one made out of junk for nothing ]

Anyone can use the shop and all the tools in it, no charge.
Rules: Put the tools away, sweep the floor, if you break something...fix
or replace it, get done and out ASAP so the next can get in.
If the tool you need isn't there, use the tools that are there to make that
tool or go buy what you need.
Once you are done with it, you have no need for it...leave it behind.

I have no idea where half the tools in that shop came from. [Don't know
what some of them *are*, but now and then one of those makes an idea come
to light and it grows itself a use.]
Most of the first tools are still there being used after 45 years.
...many many engines rebuilt, things welded together, things learned by
watching and doing.
That shop has paid for itself with no cash transactions. Not in money,
but in usefulness and a growing capability by default.
A useful place attracts useful things and useful people, helping you, by
helping themselves.

A penny saved though effort is 30 cents to $100 an hour earned, doesn't
matter who saved it...there IS a return.

One day the UPS guy broke down along the road. I stopped and fixed his
truck saving him time and his company a great deal of expense.
His supervisor watched. Repair system 4 hours out, truck fixed in ten
minutes.
He brings me duck eggs and venison. He leaves with whatever extra I have,
eggs or no eggs.
Usually, that's something extra that someone else had...someone who used
the shop to fix the truck, to weld the shovel or plumb the pipe that made
growing the extra produce possible.
He takes what he doesn't use to the next guy on the UPS dime it already
spent on something else. Default transport.
Unclaimed items find HIS truck. A case of this, a partial of that...who
knows where it goes?

No waste.
Even if you add value to the wind. Sailboats move on surplus.
No effort need be wasted...it's always "for something" ....if it's added
to another effort.
Apply effort and you'll always succeed, even if you don't know what you did.

Add one to no effort and you cancel out the energy. Nothing is what got
done and nothing goes nowhere with nothing learned.

Scrap is just what you don't know what is yet, made as you learned how to
avoid making it.
It's just a heap of inspiration waiting for an idea it triggered, to apply
an effort to.
A badly cut plank is a tick eating bird house that reduces the need for
tweezers that, not made, were made into a saw to make bad cuts with so
birds will eat ticks out of your yard, laying e ggs to trade for a saw to
make both good and bad cuts with effort applied.
You cannot do, and not learn....how and what... to do ....to exceed the
limits of your own imagination.
[Gee, I didn't know I knew that! ]

Now you know why a fight is called a scrap.
Inspiration the hard way and lots of it to look at.
An idea at work enabling itself into another idea.
Minds merging through thick skulls to find the common de-dominator of the
division..... takes what it takes.

Argument: "Agreeing in loud voices from different points of view"
Two or more people who want the same thing, but think the other has to
supply it instead of just doing it.

Overheard one night after a long hot one: "Don't you think you are wrong? "
..'bout busted a gut laughing. They both looked like deer in the headlights.
Then they started laughing too...common de-dominator found.
..a one, under the line, on both sides of the equation.

Jesus wa s a mathematician teaching simple basic algebra.
Jesus was a quantum physicist telling us what the observer does to
probability in the nonlocal field.
It's ALL magic.
Science is repeatable magic, an agreed upon definition of the limits of
reality...that changes....where the "truth" never does and never can, known
or not.

Existence is pure effort and cannot not be applied.
BUT.....
"They know not what they do." [The children are learning... like children ]

GOD is zero effort. All efforts applied all at once, hence, no effort
needed to accomplish everything. It's already done.
You make your reality the same way God made you,
by hiding that ONE, under the line, out of view.

100% of all de vision depends entirely on 99% blindness, missing one, in
order to see it as another.
[and then agree with it in very loud voices ]
You can only see, if you *don't* care, what you see.
What happened to the whole truth?
Passiona te it.

What makes EVERYTHING apparent is the ability to fool oneself into
believing one can't fool oneself. [the result "Looks like"
proof....apparently... true ]
Gods only power is ours and we cannot not use it and still exist.
Denial is the parent of all appearances. [ a very productive
flow.....currently ....an ....in-continent-ce ...from a pyramidal social
structure scaring the piss out ourselves? ]
Dam! Ah SWAN!
So, off we go to change our pants.

It's ALL lies and deception, so, why not tell ourselves a *nice* whopper?
We don't know what it is yet, we have made "time" that allows us to do that.

Yes, "they" can get here from there and put us here.
There is no there.
"They" have *realized* that and we haven't...yet
We ARE them, re-inventing ourselves beyond our own collective imaginations.
[With enemas like that, who needs fiends. Enemas making fertilizer to
breed new flowers in? ]

Inspiration t akes a bit of scrapping, don't it?

We don't need no stinkin hope.
It is what it is.....our very own game of self discovery.
Imagine that, if you can't.

Imagine this:
A left I over one, a belt buckle, then a right I over one.
That's
Two ones to stand on, under the line, both equal...walk around with it in
stereo with the *i*s crossed and see what happens.
Something is afoot.

Observe....and there it is.
"trippy" too!

We WILL stumble into it.
We CAN'T do it wrong, just....not right for a long time...maybe many
times ....as war discovers who is left to walk around with that winking
right eye...as actors become audience or re-script. [Conscript?]

Like the guy I do carpentry with always says sometimes, "Bob Plumb musta
took the day off. Gee, that looks like shit, but at least it was hard and
took a long time. "
Then the big booming voice out of the clouds.. " Split the difference,
hide the crack, fuckit nailit. Can't see it from my house! The
painters'll get it. Pretty work! Need some termites? "

We "believe" that Gold has value, just because it's hard to find.

The bigger the drama, the more commuter generated extra- terrestrials you
need to make the battle scene seem real and worthy. [ "Crawl ins" ]

It IS a battle of ideologies, seeking something unthought of...because....

NEITHER known way "works" in the way we all would like and NONE of us knows
how to make something we haven't imagined.

We are argureeing in loud voices.
But don't YOU think you are wrong?

If it wasn't hard, we would not believe it has value or is of any real
use.....so, why is gold a such soft and nearly useless metal?

Oh scrap, Bob Plumb! Distincts Sumptin don make scents. [Purty
werk! Cain't see it frum mah hayose! ]

..and that waitress yells code at the Awful House...." two ugs, One up,
'nuther easy over, a side of grunts and an awful with whipped butt tar,
..uh-cupoco-ffee, Hun?"

...a heros break, and fast.
Git er done
in
Short order, kooks.
A heck of a show! A crowded kitchen juggling act, flames and oil and
water aboil.
...who cares about the lube on the food!
I'd "crawl in" just to watch them make it.

Ode

Hi Ode;

Well the aim was using it as a teaching aid!! But it can be used for self
defence as well.

Louise

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From: 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ode Coyote
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:20 AM
To: 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [4COLLOIDALSILVER] Re: How much to charge for CS




    ##  Punitive pricing has it's place, for sure..and not a matter of
greed, but self defense.

Ode


At 08:59 PM 8/17/2008 +0000, you wrote:

>--- In
><mailto:4COLLOIDALSILVER%40yahoogroups.com>4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com
,
>"Louise46" <louise46@...>
>wrote:
> >
> > I give the first bottle of CS and encourage them to buy a CS
>generator, the
> > next bottle (depending on size) charge $5 to $10 AND encourage them
>to buy a
> > CS generator, then the next time I double the cost and suggest they
>buy a CS
> > generator and keep charging more till they get the hint to buy a
> > generator!!!
> >
> > Though I still give the CS to my daughter for the Farm and
>Grandchildren.
> >
> > Louise
>
>Thanks Louise:
>
>I was thinking $5-... I've been giving it away like crazy but I need
>to keep up with our usage for farm and family and can't supply others
>regularly in large amounts. I have someone wanting to buy from me to
>treat her lyme so she will need lots. I certainly want to help but
>suggested that she buy a generator....she said she'd rather buy from
>me.. Plus - I am buying the jars and the water....so far haven't got
>any back :(
>
>Anyways - thanks. I'm certainly not looking to make a killing - just
>figure I should make something to cover costs and maybe pay back the
>cost of the generator.
>
>:)
>Jen
>
>
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##  Punitive pricing has it's place, for sure..and not a matter of
greed, but self defense.

Ode


At 08:59 PM 8/17/2008 +0000, you wrote:

>--- In
><mailto:4COLLOIDALSILVER%40yahoogroups.com>4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com,
>"Louise46" <louise46@...>
>wrote:
> >
> > I give the first bottle of CS and encourage them to buy a CS
>generator, the
> > next bottle (depending on size) charge $5 to $10 AND encourage them
>to buy a
> > CS generator, then the next time I double the cost and suggest they
>buy a CS
> > generator and keep charging more till they get the hint to buy a
> > generator!!!
> >
> > Though I still give the CS to my daughter for the Farm and
>Grandchildren.
> >
> > Louise
>
>Thanks Louise:
>
>I was thinking $5-... I've been giving it away like crazy but I need
>to keep up with our usage for farm and family and can't supply others
>regularly in large amounts. I have someone wanting to buy from me to
>treat her lyme so she will need lots. I certainly want to help but
>suggested that she buy a generator....she said she'd rather buy from
>me.. Plus - I am buying the jars and the water....so far haven't got
>any back :(
>
>Anyways - thanks. I'm certainly not looking to make a killing - just
>figure I should make something to cover costs and maybe pay back the
>cost of the generator.
>
>:)
>Jen
>
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1617 - Release Date: 8/17/2008
>12:58 PM

At 05:41 PM 8/17/2008 +0000, you wrote:

>Well, my friend...now you are cooking with gas   as we said in the days of
>old.
>As I read this, my head is bobbing up and down and I am about to give
>myself a headache if I dont stop:)
>Well written.  V
>
###  "Sharing":
Sharing does not diminish that which is shared.

One cannot share a commodity.
   One can only share the means to produce one.

Sharing is a tool redistribution network and the tools should be shined up,
repaired, improved and maintained before they are returned to the depot.
   The act of using tools tells the user how to improve them.

"value added"  with better function *as* it's being used = enlightened self
interest.
You did it for yourself to make YOUR job easier, and others benefit by
default after you get done.

Return it improved, and the next user may well improve it further.


    "Value Added":

If a crafts mans house is burning, he'll get his tools out first.  [then
his kids? ]

   I needed a shop
I built a shop. [ 6 years later I built a house..now,  it's mostly shop
too.  Never try to sell an $800 vacuum cleaner to someone who has a drill
press in the living room.  He has a better one made out of junk for nothing ]

   Anyone can use the shop and all the tools in it, no charge.
Rules:  Put the tools away, sweep the floor, if you break something...fix
or replace it,  get done and out ASAP so the next can get in.
If the tool you need isn't there, use the tools that are there to make that
tool or go buy what you need.
Once you are done with it, you have no need for it...leave it behind.

I have no idea where half the tools in that shop came from. [Don't know
what some of them *are*, but now and then one of those makes an idea come
to light and it grows itself a use.]
Most of the first tools are still there being used after 45 years.
   ...many many engines rebuilt, things welded together, things learned by
watching and doing.
   That shop has paid for itself with no cash transactions.  Not in money,
but in usefulness and a growing capability by default.
   A useful place attracts useful things and useful people, helping you, by
helping themselves.

   A penny saved though effort is 30 cents to $100 an hour earned, doesn't
matter who saved it...there IS a return.

One day the UPS guy broke down along the road.  I stopped and fixed his
truck saving him time and his company a great deal of expense.
   His supervisor watched. Repair system 4 hours out, truck fixed in ten
minutes.
   He brings me duck eggs and venison. He leaves with whatever extra I have,
eggs or no eggs.
   Usually, that's something extra that someone else had...someone who used
the shop to fix the truck, to weld the shovel or plumb the pipe that made
growing the extra produce possible.
He takes what he doesn't use to the next guy on the UPS dime it already
spent on something else.  Default transport.
Unclaimed items find HIS truck.  A case of this, a partial of that...who
knows where it goes?

No waste.
Even if you add value to the wind.  Sailboats move on surplus.
   No effort need be wasted...it's always "for something" ....if it's added
to another effort.
Apply effort and you'll always succeed, even if you don't know what you did.

Add one to no effort and you cancel out the energy.  Nothing is what got
done and nothing goes nowhere with nothing learned.

Scrap is just what you don't know what is yet, made as you learned how to
avoid making it.
It's just a heap of inspiration waiting for an idea it triggered, to apply
an effort to.
   A badly cut plank is a tick eating bird house that reduces the need for
tweezers that, not made,  were made into a saw to make bad cuts with so
birds will eat ticks out of your yard, laying eggs to trade for a saw to
make both good and bad cuts with effort applied.
   You cannot do, and not learn....how and what... to do ....to exceed the
limits of your own imagination.
   [Gee, I didn't know I knew that! ]

Now you know why a fight is called a scrap.
Inspiration the hard way and lots of it to look at.
   An idea at work enabling itself into another idea.
Minds merging through thick skulls to find the common de-dominator of the
division..... takes what it takes.

Argument:   "Agreeing in loud voices from different points of view"
   Two or more people who want the same thing, but think the other has to
supply it instead of just doing it.

Overheard one night after a long hot one:  "Don't you think you are wrong? "
..'bout busted a gut laughing. They both looked like deer in the headlights.
Then they started laughing too...common de-dominator found.
..a one, under the line, on both sides of the equation.

Jesus was a mathematician teaching simple basic algebra.
   Jesus was a quantum physicist telling us what the observer does to
probability in the nonlocal field.
   It's ALL magic.
   Science is repeatable magic, an agreed upon definition of the limits of
reality...that changes....where the "truth" never does and never can, known
or not.

   Existence is pure effort and cannot not be applied.
BUT.....
   "They know not what they do." [The children are learning... like children ]

   GOD is zero effort.  All efforts applied all at once, hence,  no effort
needed to accomplish everything.  It's already done.
   You make your reality the same way God made you,
by hiding that ONE, under the line, out of view.

100% of all de vision depends entirely on 99% blindness, missing one, in
order to see it as another.
[and then agree with it in very loud voices ]
You can only see, if you *don't* care, what you see.
What happened to the whole truth?
Passionate it.

   What makes EVERYTHING apparent is the ability to fool oneself into
believing one can't fool oneself.  [the result "Looks like"
proof....apparently... true ]
   Gods only power is ours and we cannot not use it and still exist.
   Denial is the parent of all appearances.  [ a very productive
flow.....currently ....an ....in-continent-ce ...from a pyramidal social
structure scaring the piss out ourselves? ]
   Dam!  Ah SWAN!
   So, off we go to change our pants.

It's ALL lies and deception, so, why not tell ourselves a *nice* whopper?
   We don't know what it is yet, we have made "time" that allows us to do that.

   Yes, "they" can get here from there and put us here.
   There is no there.
"They" have *realized* that and we haven't...yet
   We ARE them, re-inventing ourselves beyond our own collective imaginations.
   [With enemas like that, who needs fiends.   Enemas making fertilizer to
breed new flowers in? ]

   Inspiration takes a bit of scrapping, don't it?

   We don't need no stinkin hope.
   It is what it is.....our very own game of self discovery.
Imagine that, if you can't.

Imagine this:
   A left I over one, a belt buckle, then a right I over one.
   That's
   Two ones to stand on, under the line, both equal...walk around with it in
stereo with the *i*s crossed and see what happens.
   Something is afoot.

Observe....and there it is.
   "trippy" too!

   We WILL stumble into it.
   We CAN'T do it wrong, just....not right for a long time...maybe many
times ....as war discovers who is left to walk around with that winking
right eye...as actors become audience or re-script.  [Conscript?]

Like the guy I do carpentry with always says sometimes,  "Bob Plumb musta
took the day off.  Gee, that looks like shit, but at least it was hard and
took a long time. "
   Then the big booming voice out of the clouds..  " Split the difference,
hide the crack, fuckitnailit.   Can't see it from my house!  The
painters'll get it. Pretty work!  Need some termites? "

   We "believe" that Gold has value, just because it's hard to find.

   The bigger the drama, the more commuter generated extra- terrestrials you
need to make the battle scene seem real and worthy.  [ "Crawl ins" ]

It IS a battle of ideologies, seeking something unthought of...because....

NEITHER known way "works" in the way we all would like and NONE of us knows
how to make something we haven't imagined.

   We are argureeing in loud voices.
But don't YOU think you are wrong?

If it wasn't hard, we would not believe it has value or is of any real
use.....so, why is gold a such soft and nearly useless metal?

Oh scrap, Bob Plumb!  Distincts  Sumptin don make scents.  [Purty
werk!  Cain't see it frum mah hayose! ]

..and that waitress yells code at the Awful House...." two ugs, One up,
'nuther easy over, a side of grunts and an awful with whipped butt tar,
..uh-cupoco-ffee, Hun?"

...a heros break, and fast.
   Git er done
in
   Short order, kooks.
   A heck of a show!  A crowded kitchen juggling act, flames and oil and
water aboil.
   ...who cares about the lube on the food!
I'd "crawl in" just to watch them make it.

Ode

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "uncleben75708"
<cncsmetal@...> wrote:

> If government was managed like a business most of it's shortcomings
> would disappear.
> Uncleben ..
>

Its not the government, its the bureaucracy thats the real problem.
What chance do a few politicians really have against 10 million public
servant parasites that spend most of their time avoiding genuine work,
feathering their nests, and creating empires that do nothing useful.
All while being exorbitantly paid and pampered with perks the rest us
self-employed, tax paying suckers can only dream about.

The pollies might think they are calling the shots but its the Public
Service that has the real power.

David

>
> You're bumping into human nature, the deplorable aspect.. Once they
> get it for free (and this includes family) they expect the freebie
> to continue.. This may be a friend but not really.
*************

And it will go downhill from there.
My husband works for a "hugh" bakery.  If they have product that is
short dated, they can't ship it.  All the major grocery chains will
not take it unless the pull date is at least 6 months away.

Rather that see it dumped in the trash, he's bring it home and we'd
give to the neighbors.  I'd get phone calls in the evening from the
neighbors just to see how I was.  They were so friendly!  Then the
neighbors would start to request their favorite cakes.  One requested
a cake for her daughter's wedding.

My husband stopped bring home all the cake.  I don't eat it, too much
high frutose syrup for me and too many additives that I can't
pronounce.  All those friendly nightly phone calls stopped.  Gee, I
guess they just don't like me anymore!

Linda

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "jenq11" <jenq@...> wrote:
>
   I certainly want to help but suggested that she buy a
generator....she said she'd rather buy from  me..  Plus - I am
buying the jars and the water....so far haven't got > any back :(

> Jen>

You're bumping into human nature, the deplorable aspect.. Once they
get it for free (and this includes family) they expect the freebie
to continue.. This may be a friend but not really. She's a leech.
The only way you will get paid is by sticking to your guns...and the
payment  will be in that she quits asking you for it...and the
relationship will suffer but I personally think your better off that
way..

You could tell her that you have given her what you have to
introduce it to her but you cannot give her anymore.. Maybe she can
understand that.. Good luck.

Uncleben ..

I  try to teach self reliance!!!

Louise

-----Original Message-----
From: 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jenq11
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 4:59 PM
To: 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [4COLLOIDALSILVER] Re: How much to charge for CS

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "Louise46" <louise46@...>
wrote:
>
> I  give the first bottle of CS and encourage them to buy a CS
generator, the
> next bottle (depending on size) charge $5 to $10 AND encourage them
to buy a
> CS generator, then the next time I double the cost and suggest they
buy a CS
> generator and keep charging more till they get the hint to buy a
> generator!!!
>
> Though I still give the CS to my daughter for the Farm and
Grandchildren.
>
> Louise


Thanks Louise:

I was thinking $5-...  I've been giving it away like crazy but I need
to keep up with our usage for farm and family and can't supply others
regularly in large amounts.  I have someone wanting to buy from me to
treat her lyme so she will need lots.  I certainly want to help but
suggested that she buy a generator....she said she'd rather buy from
me..  Plus - I am buying the jars and the water....so far haven't got
any back :(

Anyways - thanks.  I'm certainly not looking to make a killing - just
figure I should make something to cover costs and maybe pay back the
cost of the generator.

:)
Jen


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--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "Louise46" <louise46@...>
wrote:
>
> I  give the first bottle of CS and encourage them to buy a CS
generator, the
> next bottle (depending on size) charge $5 to $10 AND encourage them
to buy a
> CS generator, then the next time I double the cost and suggest they
buy a CS
> generator and keep charging more till they get the hint to buy a
> generator!!!
>
> Though I still give the CS to my daughter for the Farm and
Grandchildren.
>
> Louise


Thanks Louise:

I was thinking $5-...  I've been giving it away like crazy but I need
to keep up with our usage for farm and family and can't supply others
regularly in large amounts.  I have someone wanting to buy from me to
treat her lyme so she will need lots.  I certainly want to help but
suggested that she buy a generator....she said she'd rather buy from
me..  Plus - I am buying the jars and the water....so far haven't got
any back :(

Anyways - thanks.  I'm certainly not looking to make a killing - just
figure I should make something to cover costs and maybe pay back the
cost of the generator.

:)
Jen