Hi gang
My email has been hacked into. I am going no mail on all my groups now.
Beware of any mail that may come in my name from this addy.

.I will not be sending any messages from doublaswalter@netvigator  for the
time being.

I will be reading from the board with a different addy.

Hope to resolve this soon.

Cheers, Doug

A good article and links to Chinese Herb information.
Cheers, Doug

http://www.naturalnews.com/023322.html

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Black stuff is silver oxide, whitish grey stuff is silver hydroxide,
both harmless if unsightly.... and unavoidable to some degree when using a
DC generator.
Just wipe off any thick deposits, scrubbing is pointless.
   Switch electrodes every other batch. ["random" placement odds are good
enough ]

Ode



At 11:01 PM 5/16/2008 +0000, you wrote:

>Hi!
>
>I've just purchased my CS ... Ive just made my first batch and have
>noticed that one silver rod has a build up and the other one doesnt?
>(even though there's a slight grey look to it)
>
>Is this normal and what is it?
>
>anyone?
>
>Thankx in advance :-)
>
>
>
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Hi!

I've just purchased my CS ... Ive just made my first batch and have
noticed that  one silver rod has a build up and the other one doesnt?
(even though there's a slight grey look to it)

Is this normal and what is it?

  anyone?

Thankx in advance :-)

----- Original Message -----

From: louise46@...

To: 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:57 PM

Subject: [4COLLOIDALSILVER] Orwellian bill C-51 Canadian insanity from our Government

 

 

On April 8^th, 2008, the Canadian Minister of Health introduced Bill C-51 into the House of Commons. This Bill proposes significant changes to the current Food and Drugs Act that will have wide-ranging negative implications for Canadians.

Please read the text below  it and forward this mail to others.

If you read legal discussions about C-51 you will be shocked at the horrid suppression of natural remedies (includes homeopathic and flower essences :o((( but also the almost automatic acceptance of Codex in the future as well.

 

It does not look good here in Canada but the US will be next if this passes.

 

MOST people have NO clue this is going on.

 

I have never been so shocked or discouraged in my life since this bill has been introduced.

 

Louise

 

 

CANADIAN RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS ARE AT RISK

An important Notice regarding Bill C-51

 

  Bill C-51 will: 

• Remove democratic oversight, bypassing elected officials to vote in laws and allow bureaucrats to adopt laws from other countries without our consent.
• Remove more than 70% of Natural Health Products from Canadians and many others will be available by prescription only.
• Restrict research and development of safe natural alternatives in favor of high risk drugs.
• Punish Canadians with little or no opportunity for protection or recourse for simply speaking about or giving a natural product without the approval of government.  More than 70% of people in Canada use a Natural Health Product.  The new law goes so far as to warrant action against a person who would give another person an unapproved amount of garlic on the recommendation that it would improve that persons health.

  When C-51 becomes law government agents will be able to: 

·         Enter private property without a warrant

·         Take your property at their discretion

·         Dispose of your property at will

·         Not reimburse you for your losses

·         Seize your bank accounts without a warrant

·         charge owners shipping and storage charges for seized property

·         store your property indefinitely

·         levy fines of up to $5,000,000.00 and/or seek 2 years in jail per charge

Can you trust government with this new law and enforcement power?

Would our government really ever turn this law against us? Read the following account.

 

Example

In 2003 Health Canada launched an attack on a group of mentally ill patients and the company who supported them naturally.  They seized shipments of a safe natural therapy required by the patients and stormed the support center with 17 armed officers and agents.  The company (Truehope) reported that they lost contact with more than 300 of their Canadian participants. The Canadian Mental Health Association told of suicides as a result of government action.

Health Canada then charged the not for profit company, burdening them with heavy legal costs. Health Canada lost this case.  Although the agents admitted knowing they were injuring people through their actions, they continued to enforce policy at the cost of life.  And what happened to the more than 300 mentally ill Canadians that became unreachable?  In the months and years following, reports of hospitalizations and suicides during the seizures have surfaced.  No Health Canada agent has ever been charged.

 

Here's what you can do to protect your rights:

 

  Educate Yourself   

·   Go to http://www.stopc51.com/

·   Read a legal discussion on Bill C-51

·   Read bill C-51 on www.parl.gc.ca

 

  Tell others about it 

·         Talk to your local Press

·         Contact your local MP Click Here

·         Ask the leaders in your community to get involved

·         Contact your MLA

·         Tell your Friends

 

  Get involved 

·        Print off this fact sheet and hand it out in your neighborhood.

 

Forward this email to all of your concerned friends, family and community leaders.

 

 

 

 

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From: abcoslo@...
To: colloidalsilver2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Colloidal Silver] Orwellian bill C-51 Canadian insanity from our Government
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:26:10 +0200

The Big Pharma started this raid in Europe and the EU passed the law but we made an organisation which is useing lawyers to try to stop it . (Why is it allowed to sell tobacco , alcehol , coke etc which IS VERY BAD FOR HEALTH).
You have to do the same ! The organisation is in UK and people , companies etc  donate money so we can pay good lawyers .
And  yes ofcorse they will do the same to USA and say : EU and Canada agreed etc
Gerd

---

To: colloidalsilver2@yahoogroups.com
From: louise46@...
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 15:59:39 -0400
Subject: [Colloidal Silver] Orwellian bill C-51 Canadian insanity from our Government

On April 8th, 2008, the Canadian Minister of Health introduced Bill C-51
into the House of Commons. This Bill proposes significant changes to the
current Food and Drugs Act that will have wide-ranging negative implications
for Canadians.
Please read the text below it and forward this mail to others.

If you read legal discussions about C-51 you will be shocked at the horrid
suppression of natural remedies (includes homeopathic and flower essences
:o((( but also the almost automatic acceptance of Codex in the future as
well.

It does not look good here in Canada but the US will be next if this passes.

MOST people have NO clue this is going on.

I have never been so shocked or discouraged in my life since this bill has
been introduced.

Louise


CANADIAN RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS ARE AT RISK
An important Notice regarding Bill C-51

Bill C-51 will:
* Remove democratic oversight, bypassing elected officials to vote in
laws and allow bureaucrats to adopt laws from other countries without our
consent.
* Remove more than 70% of Natural Health Products from Canadians and
many others will be available by prescription only.
* Restrict research and development of safe natural alternatives in
favor of high risk drugs.
* Punish Canadians with little or no opportunity for protection or
recourse for simply speaking about or giving a natural product without the
approval of government. More than 70% of people in Canada use a Natural
Health Product. The new law goes so far as to warrant action against a
person who would give another person an unapproved amount of garlic on the
recommendation that it would improve that persons health.
When C-51 becomes law government agents will be able to:
. Enter private property without a warrant
. Take your property at their discretion
. Dispose of your property at will
. Not reimburse you for your losses
. Seize your bank accounts without a warrant
. charge owners shipping and storage charges for seized property
. store your property indefinitely
. levy fines of up to $5,000,000.00 and/or seek 2 years in jail per
charge

Can you trust government with this new law and enforcement power?
Would our government really ever turn this law against us? Read the
following account.

Example
<http://youtube.com/watch?v=1cOc4EmbS1I> In 2003 Health Canada launched an
attack on a group of mentally ill patients and the company who supported
them naturally. They seized shipments of a safe natural therapy required by
the patients and stormed the support center with 17 armed officers and
agents. The company (Truehope) reported that they lost contact with more
than 300 of their Canadian participants. The Canadian Mental Health
Association told of suicides as a result of government action.
<http://youtube.com/watch?v=1cOc4EmbS1I> Health Canada then charged the not
for profit company, burdening them with heavy legal costs. Health Canada
lost this case. Although the agents admitted knowing they were injuring
people through their actions, they continued to enforce policy at the cost
of life. And what happened to the more than 300 mentally ill Canadians that
became unreachable? In the months and years following, reports of
hospitalizations and suicides during the seizures have surfaced. No Health
Canada agent has ever been charged.

Here's what you can do to protect your rights:

Educate Yourself
. Go to <http://www.stopc51.com/> http://www.stopc51.com/
. Read a <http://healthcanadaexposed.com/c51/legal_review.asp> legal
discussion on Bill C-51
.
<http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Docid=3398126&fil
e=4> Read bill C-51 on
<http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Docid=3398126&fil
e=4> www.parl.gc.ca

Tell others about it
. Talk to your local Press
.
<http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Parlinfo/Compilations/HouseOfCommons/MemberByPostalC
ode.aspx?Menu=HOC> Contact your local MP Click Here
. Ask the leaders in your community to get involved
. Contact your MLA
. Tell your Friends

Get involved
. Print off this fact sheet and hand it out in your neighborhood.


Forward this email to all of your concerned friends, family and community
leaders.





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--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "Nikki Cowan" <nikkicowan@...>
wrote:
>
>  Some days I am tired but my troubles are pale
> beside the traumas of so many.  I still wake up happy and cheerful and
> feeling blessed by Spirit in so many many ways.  I read all the posts
on the
> fly but just haven't answered much.  Thanks for asking, it's  nice
sometimes
> to be missed.  What goes in your life these days?  How is your
grandson?
>
>Hi Nikki,

I will often wonder when a list member (especially one that is ill or
has a heavy load to carry) stops posting.  I find myself wondering if
it's ok to ask not wanting to be nosy but still wanting to know how
things are going with them.  What is considered intrusive and what is
not?  More often than not, I simply just wonder and wait hoping they
will post.  It is always nice when I see them.  I have missed you and
will often wonder how you are doing.

Regarding your daughter:  You have every right to shine her light
brightly as it is already shinning.  Somebody did a good job raising
her.

Regarding your son:  It, too, is so nice to have a strong able body
male around the house to help with things that a woman has a hard time
doing.  It's also nice to have an able body female to lend a helping
hand in the many ways they can.  It's just nice to have a helping hand.
>
>My grandsons are doing fine.  Keelan's EKG is showing he still has the
problem so he has to wear a heart monitor sometimes to keep a close
watch on it.  I don't understand all of it, but basically he's doing
fine for the moment and they are just observing him.

Donny is also doing fine.  The medicine is keeping thins under control
for the moment and they are just watching him, also.  However, he seems
to be having a different kind of heart problem.  One that I find
hilarious.  He is in love!  Yes, that's what I said.  And the little
girl seems to be equally smitten with him.

Donny has always loved food, and from a very early age Keelan has
learned to take full advantage of this fact.  Will often bribe him with
chocolate.  Donny also has a problem hanging onto money.  Both kids
have an allowance, if they do their chores.  If they slack, the amount
is cut.  Likewise, they can do extra chores to get a little extra
money.  Donny never has any cash.  It simply burns a hole in his
pocket.  Well, since the girlfriend came a long, he went to great
efforts to save up and buy her a chocolate something (can't remember
what kind of candy it was, maybe a heart) for Valentine's Day.  For him
it was the epitome of his love and devotion to the little girl.  LOL

Anyway, I got a kick out of it.  They are doing good and we're  missing
out on all of it as they are still in Germany.  But, like you, we are
certainly counting our blessing.

You might want to give raw bovine adrenals a try.  Can find them on
line if interested.  I find when things are extra stressful, it helps
to take some.  Anybody under a lot of stress will usually have some
adrenal issue.

Take care,

Gail
>
>

I thought that would probably be the case.
sol

Ode Coyote wrote:
> At 08:49 PM 5/12/2008 -0600, you wrote:
> Is there a meter that will test for particulate contaminants?
> sol
>
>
>
>    Nope.....leastways, none that we can afford
> Ode
>
>

At 08:49 PM 5/12/2008 -0600, you wrote:

>Ode,
>So I know my DW has impurities that don't distill out easily, which I
>believe are non-conductive, because .4uS DW (once through the still)
>will make yellow CS, but .4uS DW double distilled will make clear CS.
>Is there a meter that will test for particulate contaminants?
>sol


    Nope.....leastways, none that we can afford
Ode

>
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Ode,
   So I know my DW has impurities that don't distill out easily, which I
believe are non-conductive, because .4uS DW (once through the still)
will make yellow CS, but .4uS DW double distilled will make clear CS.
   Is there a meter that will test for particulate contaminants?
sol

From: Ode Coyote

To: 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 4:32 AM

Subject: Re: pure water not boiling, was Re: [4COLLOIDALSILVER] Re: medisana.

VERY pure..and not contaminated by the container it's put in.
I suspect that Mythbusters used good distilled water and 'new' ceramic
or glass coffee cup.
And a microwave to avoid contact with old metal pots.

Ode

At 10:43 AM 5/11/2008 -0600, you wrote:

>Yup, I do know that, but still want to know how pure water has to be in
>order not to boil. I'm guessing they must have tested also for
>particulates? Removed them? How? How pure is pure?
>sol
>
>Ode Coyote wrote:
> > A PWT won't detect particulate suspended impurities at all...it ONLY
> > detects dissolved ionic impurities.
> > It's particles that provide surface areas and modify vapor pressures.
> >
> >
>
>
>
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VERY pure..and not contaminated by the container it's put in.
   I suspect that Mythbusters used good distilled water and  'new' ceramic
or glass coffee cup.
And a microwave to avoid contact with old metal pots.

Ode


At 10:43 AM 5/11/2008 -0600, you wrote:

>Yup, I do know that, but still want to know how pure water has to be in
>order not to boil. I'm guessing they must have tested also for
>particulates? Removed them? How? How pure is pure?
>sol
>
>Ode Coyote wrote:
> > A PWT won't detect particulate suspended impurities at all...it ONLY
> > detects dissolved ionic impurities.
> > It's particles that provide surface areas and modify vapor pressures.
> >
> >
>
>
>
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From: sol

To: 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 9:43 AM

Subject: Re: pure water not boiling, was Re: [4COLLOIDALSILVER] Re: medisana.

Yup, I do know that, but still want to know how pure water has to be in
order not to boil. I'm guessing they must have tested also for
particulates? Removed them? How? How pure is pure?
sol

Ode Coyote wrote:
> A PWT won't detect particulate suspended impurities at all...it ONLY
> detects dissolved ionic impurities.
> It's particles that provide surface areas and modify vapor pressures.
>
>

i am using 14 drops of h202 in my water, with 1/2 tsp sea salt to a
gallon.  tastes horrible, and wondering how it would work with CS for
treating the water.  if so, how many tsps per gallon or other suggestions?

thanks, diana

Yup, I do know that, but still want to know how pure water has to be in
order not to boil. I'm guessing they must have tested also for
particulates? Removed them? How? How pure is pure?
sol

Ode Coyote wrote:
>    A PWT won't detect particulate suspended impurities at all...it ONLY
> detects dissolved ionic impurities.
> It's particles that provide surface areas and modify vapor pressures.
>
>

A PWT won't detect particulate suspended impurities at all...it ONLY
detects dissolved ionic impurities.
It's particles that provide surface areas and modify vapor pressures.

Ode


At 02:05 PM 5/10/2008 -0600, you wrote:

>I can test it with my PWT before going into the kettle and after? I
>really don't want to put tap water in my teakettle at all, and I don't
>think the test would be meaningful unless both waters were boiled in the
>same container, due to differences in heat conductance with different
>materials.
>Oh, and 150 mls of .5-.6 uS distilled water boils merrily away in the
>microwave in my little silverpuppy beaker (which I use exclusively for
>measuring uS of my DW)
>I just put .5-.6 uS DW in my teakettle and re-checked the uS and it
>remained the same. I have no reason to believe it won't boil, LOL as it
>always has before.
>Either I'm doing something wrong or mythbusters and you are, LOL.
>
>So ok, both waters boiled away vigorously.
>
>Interesting, the 150 mls of .5-.6 uS water boiled in the beaker in the
>micro, cooled, tested .7uS.
>The .5-.6 uS water boiled in my porcelain teakettle, cooled. tested a
>solid .5uS, so actually a small reduction in conductance.
>????????????
>
>Apparently the "pure water" that won't boil, is purer than .5 - .6 uS.
>And of course, there could be things in my DW that are impurities, that
>do not have conductance. I know that for a fact, from many prior CS
>making and DW experiments.
>sol
>
>alchemysa wrote:
> > I guess as soon as you put it in the saucepan or kettle its no
> > longer pure. Try timing a kettle of your pure water versus a kettle
> > of tap water.
> >
>
>
>
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>Steam is condensed water vapor.

*Water vapor is invisible*.
On a warm dry day, water vapor does not condense well before it dissipates.
On a cool damp day, it does.
Whether or not you can "see" anything or how long what you do see hangs
around depends on relative humidity and dew points [exactly the same as
contrails ]

Impurities can provide a surface for water vapor to condense onto, however,
a "hot pot" distills that water leaving the loins share of those impurities
in the pot.
Impurities in water also change the vapor pressure characteristics of water.
Extremely pure water can exceed 212 deg F at sea level and not boil or
vaporize, then explode in your face as you dip a spoon into it.
So, it is "possible" for a hot pot to not emit water vapor.
No vapor, no steam.

Ode

>Defining the exact problem as to why this happens I cannot. For example -
>I bought a very inexpensive and popular Vicks warm vaporizer ($12.00) to
>temporarily replace my Sauna tent steam pot until I find a more powerful
>replacement. When I first plugged the unit in to determine its
>suitability, using tap water, I noted a small, what I thought to be
>ineffective stream of steam. As the unit stayed on I got less and less
>steam. Thought - it must be defective so I returned it and bought another.
>
>What could be so complicated about such a simple device....it must be a
>defective unit. Well, same thing happened with the replacement until
>perplexed, I read the instructions that mentioned the mineral content of
>the water greatly depends on the steam generated. I added some salt to
>the water and the steam it then produced was like a
>locomotive. Evidently, my tap water did not contain enough minerals to
>generate steam. Matter of fact, the vaporizer will produce no steam
>whatsoever if Distilled water is used - which was what I wanted to use in
>the Sauna with Ozone.
>
>I can now use the Vicks vaporizor in the Sauna - provided I add sufficient
>salt to the water. The opposite is true of the steam pots - only
>distilled water as salt and minerals will wear the coils and lessen the
>effective life of the steam pot.
>
>Hope this helps. :)
>
>vwolf21@comcast.net wrote:
>>***I have been following this thread with interest.
>>My nebulizer is the size of a small suitcase...and one this sounds
>>wonderful, however when I went to a few sites to compare prices the
>>reviews were not so good.
>>Most say the machine works...sometimes.
>>I so want to get this but not sure if it will be a waste of money, and I
>>cannot do that.
>>Have you had any problems along these lines? Virginia
>>
>>>-------------- Original message --------------
>>>From: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
>>>I will testify to the MEDISANA unit. It's excellent for using with
>>>CS. The mist is cool and refreshing, can be easily inhaled through the
>>>nasal passage for sinus issues or the mouth for lung/bronchial issues.
>>>
>>>Gail, its also true about the Vicks applied on the soles of the feet in
>>>the evening under socks for a cold. It does work.
>>>
>>>wanda85929 <wanda85929@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>--- In
>>>><mailto:4COLLOIDALSILVER%40yahoogroups.com>4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com,
>>>>"alchemysa" <mail@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > BUT BY FAR THE MOST CONVENIENT 'NEBULIZER OF ALL for colloidal
>>>> > silver delivery is still the MEDISANA Ultrasonic Humidifier.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> <http://www.medisanausa.com/products/humidifier.aspx>http://www.medisanausa.com/products/humidifier.aspx
>>>> > Strictly speaking its not a nebulizer at all but it serves the same
>>>>purpose
>>>> > beautifully. The best thing about it is that you can just leave it
>>>>set up
>>>> > permanently on a shelf and turn it on and off as needed. Unlike a
>>>>proper
>>>> > nebulizer, it doesn't have to be dismantled and cleaned after each
>>>>use.
>>>> >
>>>> > All you do is switch it on, put your face near the spout and inhale
>>>>the mist for a
>>>> > minute or two.
>>>>
>>>>Hi David,
>>>>
>>>>I have a duracraft humidifier. Never thought about usi ng CS in it.
>>>>I have a nebulizer with the mouth piece thing that I've always used
>>>>for infections. But my question is: If using a humidifier, do you
>>>>fill the whole thing up with CS (that would be an awful lot of CS),
>>>>or do you only add part CS and the rest water? If so, how much CS to
>>>>water?
>>>>
>>>>I can't help but think it would be better to use the nebulizer for
>>>>acute infection as it just seems to be able to deliver the stuff
>>>>directly into the lungs better. And with a little MSM (have heard
>>>>DMSO works even better) I've just never thought of using anything
>>>>other.
>>>>
>>>>I get all these neat recommendations, but just have not been sick to
>>>>give them a try. lol The latest I really wanted to try out was vicks
>>>>vapor rub on the feet with a pair of socks over that to cure a
>>>>cough. Somehow vicks just keeps hanging around. My mother used to
>>>>use it on us kids when we were kids and I likewise on mine.
>>>>
>>>>Gail
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think..
>>>http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html
>>>
>>>Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.
>>><http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51733/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ>Try
>>>it now.
>
>
>
>Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think..
>http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html
>
>
>Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.
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Gasp! Silly me!
Seriously, what do you think is happening? I'd really like to know how
pure "pure" water that "doesn't boil" IS.
sol

alchemysa wrote:
> Ow Cmon!..Me wrong?
>
>

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, sol <solbun@...> wrote:
>
> Either I'm doing something wrong or mythbusters and you are, LOL.

Ow Cmon!..Me wrong?


David








>
> So ok, both waters boiled away vigorously.
>
> Interesting, the 150 mls of .5-.6 uS water boiled in the beaker in
the
> micro, cooled, tested .7uS.
> The .5-.6 uS water boiled in my porcelain teakettle, cooled.
tested a
> solid .5uS, so actually a small reduction in conductance.
> ????????????
>
> Apparently the "pure water" that won't boil, is purer than .5 - .6
uS.
> And of course, there could be things in my DW that are impurities,
that
> do not have conductance. I know that for a fact, from many prior
CS
> making and DW experiments.
> sol
>
> alchemysa wrote:
> > I guess as soon as you put it in the saucepan or kettle its no
> > longer pure. Try timing a kettle of your pure water versus a
kettle
> > of tap water.
> >
>

Hello,

I'm new to this message board as well as colloid silver topic.
I have made my first batch of CS last night and experienced some
strange symptoms of thrist and drowsiness.

I have purchased my silver from this website:
http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm  (10 gauge wire) and used
the exact same setup to make it. I used a 250mL glass with pure /
demineralised water which I heated up in a stainless steel pot and let
it brew for 1 hour. The CS was clear there was no colour to it. I
drank the whole glass of CS straight after.

Has anybody elses here experienced simillar side effects?
Have I had too much of it for the first time usage?

Cheers,
Rad

I can test it with my PWT before going into the kettle and after? I
really don't want to put tap water in my teakettle at all, and I don't
think the test would be meaningful unless both waters were boiled in the
same container, due to differences in heat conductance with different
materials.
Oh, and 150 mls of .5-.6 uS distilled water boils merrily away in the
microwave in my little silverpuppy beaker (which I use exclusively for
measuring uS of my DW)
I just put .5-.6 uS DW in my teakettle and re-checked the uS and it
remained the same. I have no reason to believe it won't boil, LOL as it
always has before.
Either I'm doing something wrong or mythbusters and you are, LOL.

So ok, both waters boiled away vigorously.

Interesting, the 150 mls of .5-.6 uS water boiled in the beaker in the
micro, cooled, tested .7uS.
The .5-.6 uS water boiled in my porcelain teakettle, cooled. tested a
solid .5uS, so actually a small reduction in conductance.
????????????

Apparently the "pure water" that won't boil, is purer than .5 - .6 uS.
And of course, there could be things in my DW that are impurities, that
do not have conductance. I know that for a fact, from many prior CS
making and DW experiments.
sol

alchemysa wrote:
> I guess as soon as you put it in the saucepan or kettle its no
> longer pure. Try timing a kettle of your pure water versus a kettle
> of tap water.
>

Hi Nikki,

So nice to see you post.  I get a little concerned when I don't see you
post.  Care to give us an update.  Do hope all is well with you and
your husband.

Take care,

Gail

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "Nikki Cowan" <nikkicowan@...>
wrote:
>
> It has been interesting reading about the different units discussed.
Just
> as a side note  our family uses an air brush and it works well for us.
> However, we have a shop air  compresser and I fill a small portable
air tank
> from that to have in the house so I can see that this might not work
as well
> for everyone.
>
>
>
> Nikki
>

>Steam is condensed water vapor.

*Water vapor is invisible*.
On a warm dry day, water vapor does not condense well before it dissipates.
On a cool damp day, it does.
Whether or not you can "see" anything or how long what you do see hangs
around depends on relative humidity and dew points [exactly the same as
contrails ]

Impurities can provide a surface for water vapor to condense onto, however,
a "hot pot" distills that water leaving the loins share of those impurities
in the pot.
Impurities in water also change the vapor pressure characteristics of water.
   Extremely pure water can exceed 212 deg F at sea level and not boil or
vaporize, then explode in your face as you dip a spoon into it.
So, it is "possible" for a hot pot to not emit water vapor.
   No vapor, no steam.

Ode




>Defining the exact problem as to why this happens I cannot.  For example -
>I bought a  very inexpensive and popular Vicks warm vaporizer ($12.00)  to
>temporarily replace my Sauna tent steam pot until I find a more powerful
>replacement.  When I first plugged the unit in to determine its
>suitability, using tap water, I noted a small, what I thought to be
>ineffective stream of steam.   As the unit stayed on I got less and less
>steam.  Thought - it must be defective so I returned it  and bought another.
>
>What could be so complicated about such a simple device....it must be a
>defective unit.  Well, same thing happened with the replacement until
>perplexed,  I read the instructions that mentioned the mineral content of
>the water greatly depends on the steam generated.  I added some salt to
>the water and the steam it then produced was like a
>locomotive.  Evidently, my tap water did not contain enough minerals to
>generate steam. Matter of fact, the vaporizer will produce no  steam
>whatsoever if Distilled water is used - which was what I wanted to use in
>the Sauna with Ozone.
>
>I can now use the Vicks vaporizor in the Sauna - provided I add sufficient
>salt to the water.  The opposite is true of the steam pots - only
>distilled water as salt and minerals will wear the coils and lessen the
>effective life of the steam pot.
>
>Hope this helps. :)
>
>vwolf21@... wrote:
>>***I have been following this thread with interest.
>>My nebulizer is the size of a small suitcase...and one this sounds
>>wonderful, however when I went to a few sites to compare prices the
>>reviews were not so good.
>>Most say the machine works...sometimes.
>>I so want to get this but not sure if it will be a waste of money, and I
>>cannot do that.
>>Have you had any problems along these lines?  Virginia
>>
>>>-------------- Original message --------------
>>>From: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@...>
>>>I will testify to the MEDISANA  unit.  It's excellent for using with
>>>CS.  The mist is cool and refreshing, can be easily inhaled through the
>>>nasal passage for sinus issues or the mouth for lung/bronchial issues.
>>>
>>>Gail, its also true about the Vicks applied on the soles of the feet in
>>>the evening under socks for a cold.  It does work.
>>>
>>>wanda85929 <wanda85929@...> wrote:
>>>>--- In
>>>><mailto:4COLLOIDALSILVER%40yahoogroups.com>4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com,
>>>>"alchemysa" <mail@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > BUT BY FAR THE MOST CONVENIENT 'NEBULIZER OF ALL for colloidal
>>>> > silver delivery is still the MEDISANA Ultrasonic Humidifier.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
<http://www.medisanausa.com/products/humidifier.aspx>http://www.medisanausa.com/\
products/humidifier.aspx
>>>> > Strictly speaking its not a nebulizer at all but it serves the same
>>>>purpose
>>>> > beautifully. The best thing about it is that you can just leave it
>>>>set up
>>>> > permanently on a shelf and turn it on and off as needed. Unlike a
>>>>proper
>>>> > nebulizer, it doesn't have to be dismantled and cleaned after each
>>>>use.
>>>> >
>>>> > All you do is switch it on, put your face near the spout and inhale
>>>>the mist for a
>>>> > minute or two.
>>>>
>>>>Hi David,
>>>>
>>>>I have a duracraft humidifier. Never thought about usi ng CS in it.
>>>>I have a nebulizer with the mouth piece thing that I've always used
>>>>for infections. But my question is: If using a humidifier, do you
>>>>fill the whole thing up with CS (that would be an awful lot of CS),
>>>>or do you only add part CS and the rest water? If so, how much CS to
>>>>water?
>>>>
>>>>I can't help but think it would be better to use the nebulizer for
>>>>acute infection as it just seems to be able to deliver the stuff
>>>>directly into the lungs better. And with a little MSM (have heard
>>>>DMSO works even better) I've just never thought of using anything
>>>>other.
>>>>
>>>>I get all these neat recommendations, but just have not been sick to
>>>>give them a try. lol The latest I really wanted to try out was vicks
>>>>vapor rub on the feet with a pair of socks over that to cure a
>>>>cough. Somehow vicks just keeps hanging around. My mother used to
>>>>use it on us kids when we were kids and I likewise on mine.
>>>>
>>>>Gail
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think..
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>>>
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>
>
>
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Virginia
Please do keep us posted as to what you think of the unit. Your
experience will help others and myself as well. Thanks. :)

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, vwolf21@... wrote:
>
> ****Thanks Carol Ann...everyone who helped me with this.
> I am convinced:)  In fact I just went to Amazon and ordered the item.
> My grandaughter has been having a lot of sinus problems lately...I
think this will be helpful to both of us.  Virginia
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@...>
>

I guess as soon as you put it in the saucepan or kettle its no
longer pure. Try timing a kettle of your pure water versus a kettle
of tap water.

David



--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, sol <solbun@...> wrote:
>
> How pure is pure? I use only distilled water to make my coffee and
tea,
> and it boils just fine, either in the micro or on the stove.  And
my
> home distilled water is between .4 to .7 uS.
> sol
>
> >     --- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com
> >     <mailto:4COLLOIDALSILVER%40yahoogroups.com>, Carol Ann
> >     <saffireskyes@>
> >     wrote:
> >
> >     Pure water gets hot but it doesn't boil. I didn't know this
either
> >     til
> >     I saw it on Mythbusters. They put a glass of pure water in a
> >     microwave
> >     oven and run it for a couple of minutes. Nothing happened.
Then they
> >     removed the glass and dropped in a pinch of salt (or
something).
> >     Kaboom! Its the impurities that vibrate and cause the
boiling.
> >
>

How pure is pure? I use only distilled water to make my coffee and tea,
and it boils just fine, either in the micro or on the stove.  And my
home distilled water is between .4 to .7 uS.
sol

>     --- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:4COLLOIDALSILVER%40yahoogroups.com>, Carol Ann
>     <saffireskyes@...>
>     wrote:
>
>     Pure water gets hot but it doesn't boil. I didn't know this either
>     til
>     I saw it on Mythbusters. They put a glass of pure water in a
>     microwave
>     oven and run it for a couple of minutes. Nothing happened. Then they
>     removed the glass and dropped in a pinch of salt (or something).
>     Kaboom! Its the impurities that vibrate and cause the boiling.
>