I am guessing Jenny McCarthy. Yes, my son does follow a strict gluten free, soy free diet, as well. But his yeast (in gut) is an ongoing battle. Ms. McCarthy also had to battle yeast with her son. I was wondering if CS would help heal his inflamed gut and help heal his gut.

Thanks for your input.

Carolyn

On Nov 29, 2007, at 7:47 PM, wanda85929 wrote:

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "octbaby1999" <mamatutu@...> 
wrote:
>
> Hi,
> 
> Anyone have any experience or info to share regarding Autism and the
> use of Colloidal Silver??
> 
> Thanks.
> Carolyn
>
Hi Carolyn.

I just watched a TV program where a woman was telling how her son was 
dx with autism and recovered by being on a strict no gluten & no 
dairy diet. He is now going to school and appears to have a normal 
life.

A touching moment when the mom told the story of how her son asked 
his mom if she remember when he use to be shy. The mom asked him why 
he was before but not anymore. He replied he couldn't get the words 
out. It was one of those heart pulling, eye tearing moment.

If I had a autistic child, it would certainly be something I'd look 
into.

The woman was actually a famous star, but for life of me I can't 
remember her name. See her face in my minds' eye very clearly. She 
said she thought one of the reasons she had a child like this was so 
that she could help get the word out. Said it doesn't work on all, 
but for those that it does, it's pretty amazing.

Gail

Carolyn, What can you son eat?  Can he handle goats milk?  If so,
garden of life has a product called 'goatein' that might work.  Gail

-- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, thatgirl <mamatutu@...> wrote:
>
> No. I don't know Duncan Crow. But whey is a milk product...?? So we
> avoid it.
>
> I have heard of people using colostrum. My son takes many many
> supplements. We just added a Mannatech glyco-nutrient
> product...hopefully this will help him. The glyco-nutrients are
> apparently missing 'good' sugars that help cell to cell communication.
>
> Carolyn
>
>

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, thatgirl <mamatutu@...>
wrote:
>
> I am guessing Jenny McCarthy. Yes, my son does follow a strict
gluten
> free, soy free diet, as well. But his yeast (in gut) is an ongoing
> battle. Ms. McCarthy also had to battle yeast with her son. I was
> wondering if CS would help heal his inflamed gut and help heal his
gut.
>
> Thanks for your input.
> Carolyn
>
>
Hi Carolyn,

Do you know Duncan Crow?  He's on various health list.  He swears by
a product called inulin & also whey for candida.  NOW has a really
inexpensive whey protein supplement.

I would think CS would help, but also colostrum would be good.

Gail

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, ABC OSLO <abcoslo@...> wrote:
>
>
> Gail , do you have any link or name on that program on Autism ?
> Gerd

ABC,

It was just the Ellen DeGeneres talk show.  She was a guest on it
talking about her son.

I also saw a program (maybe 20/20, but not sure) about the mind of
the Autistic.  It was about a grown woman with Autistim that
communicated, I think by typing.  They interviewed her.  Sorry, I
just can't remember, but that, too, was pretty amazing.  Wish I had
paid better attention.

Apparently, they have words/thoughts, but have trouble expressing
them.  Things easily over stimulate them.

Wish I could have been better help.

Gail

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "octbaby1999" <mamatutu@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Anyone have any experience or info to share regarding Autism and the
> use of Colloidal Silver??
>
> Thanks.
> Carolyn
>
Hi Carolyn.

I just watched a TV program where a woman was telling how her son was
dx with autism and recovered by being on a strict no gluten & no
dairy diet.  He is now going to school and appears to have a normal
life.

A touching moment when the mom told the story of how her son asked
his mom if she remember when he use to be shy.  The mom asked him why
he was before but not anymore.  He replied he couldn't get the words
out.  It was one of those heart pulling, eye tearing moment.

If I had a autistic child, it would certainly be something I'd look
into.

The woman was actually a famous star, but for life of me I can't
remember her name.  See her face in my minds' eye very clearly.  She
said she thought one of the reasons she had a child like this was so
that she could help get the word out.  Said it doesn't work on all,
but for those that it does, it's pretty amazing.

Gail

Hi,

Anyone have any experience or info to share regarding Autism and the
use of Colloidal Silver??

Thanks.
Carolyn

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Sam Hunter <hunter621@...>

Hi, under my M.D.'s supervision, I take 3 Grams a day of niacin (1,000 mg at each meal).

 

To prevent the niacin flush, one aspirin or ibuprofen works great for me. (My M.D. wanted me to take Crestor or Lipitor and I wanted the more natural method). For me the aspirin dosage also helps the heart.

 

My understanding is that niacinmide does not cause flushing, but each person's system is unique!

 

Good luck!

 

--Sam

 

.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Sam Hunter <hunter621@...>

Hi, under my M.D.'s supervision, I take 3 Grams a day of niacin (1,000 mg at each meal).

 

To prevent the niacin flush, one aspirin or ibuprofen works great for me. (My M.D. wanted me to take Crestor or Lipitor and I wanted the more natural method). For me the aspirin dosage also helps the heart.

 

My understanding is that niacinmide does not cause flushing, but each person's system is unique!

 

Good luck!

 

--Sam

 

.

Hello Louise...the bottle did say to take with a meal...I see I should have done that.
As soon as I can get the courage...I will try again...and this time it will be in the middle of my main meal of the day.
I would really like to make this product work as I felt very good the first 2 times I took it...so I will try again using your advice...thanks...Virginia

 

-------------- Original message --------------
From: <louise46@copper-tree.ca>

Sounds like a niacin flush

 

Find some vitamins with vit B complex that is no Niacin flush triggering.

 

Sometimes helps lower the amount of flushing if you take it in the middle of your larges meal though.

 

Louise

---

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.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Alex Stanley" <j_alexander_stanley@...>

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, vwolf21@... wrote:
[snip]
> Anyhow, the amount of B3 (Niacinamide) is 40 mg's.

Niacin causes flush. Niacinamide does not.

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, vwolf21@... wrote:
[snip]
> Anyhow, the amount of B3 (Niacinamide) is 40 mg's.

Niacin causes flush. Niacinamide does not.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: <louise46@...>

Sounds like a niacin flush

 

Find some vitamins with vit B complex that is no Niacin flush triggering.

 

Sometimes helps lower the amount of flushing if you take it in the middle of your larges meal though.

 

Louise

---

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.

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-04/rhf/feature/index.php
How a TDS Meter Works

TDS meters are, in reality, conductivity meters. They work by applying a
voltage between two or more electrodes. Positively charged ions (e.g.,
sodium, Na+; calcium, Ca++; magnesium, Mg++; hydrogen ion, H+; etc.) will
move toward the negatively charged electrode, and negatively charged ions
(e.g., chloride, Cl-; sulfate, SO4--; bicarbonate, HCO3-; etc.) will move
toward the positively charged electrode (Figure 1). Because these ions are
charged and moving, they constitute an electrical current. The meter then
monitors how much current is passing between the electrodes as a gauge of
how many ions are in solution. A detailed article from a high-end meter
manufacturer on the theory of conductivity measurement can be found
<http://www.thermo.com/eThermo/CMA/PDFs/Articles/articlesFile_11377.pdf>here.
Figure 1. Schematic of a conductivity electrode, showing negatively-charged
anions (blue) moving
toward the positively charged electrode, positively-charged cations (red)
moving toward the
negatively charged electrode, and neutral molecules (yellow) not moving at all.

What Does a TDS Meter Actually Detect?

Since TDS meters are often used to test water "purity," it is important to
understand what they do not detect. As conductivity meters in disguise, TDS
meters will only detect mobile charged ions. They will not detect any
neutral (uncharged) compounds. Such compounds include sugar, alcohol, many
organics (including many pesticides and their residues), and unionized
forms of silica, ammonia, and carbon dioxide. These meters also do not
detect macroscopic particulates, as those are too large to move in the
electric fields applied. So if you see "rusty" looking water from iron
oxide particulates, that won't be measured. Neither will anything else that
makes the water look cloudy. Bacteria and viruses also won't be detected.

Consequently, the term "total dissolved solids" is really quite a misnomer.
"Total charged ions" is likely a much better term for what it measures.
Fortunately, a measurement of total charged ions is good enough for many
aquarium purposes.

In addition to how many ions are present, the measured conductivity of a
solution is also a function of what ions are actually present. Table 1
shows the relative conductivity that is provided when equal numbers of
different ions are present in water. There are differences between the
conductivity of the different ions, and this fact becomes important in the
discussion of the units that are used for conductivity in subsequent sections.

Ions with higher charges tend to have higher conductivity because they not
only carry more charge but they respond more strongly to an electric field.
Good examples of this are sulfate (SO4--) and calcium (Ca++), which have
higher conductivities than sodium (Na+) or chloride (Cl-). Another effect
is that larger ions tend to have more "drag" as they move through the
water, and thus have lower conductivity. In such comparisons one needs to
take into account the tightly bound water molecules that get dragged along
as well, so one cannot simply look at molecular weights or ionic radii.
This drag due to the size of the hydrated ion is, for example, why lithium
(Li+) is so much less conductive than sodium, which in turn is less
conductive than potassium (K+).



At 03:41 PM 11/20/2007 +0000, you wrote:

>Joe. I may have found why the numbers don't jive.
>
>I think you are assuming (like I did) that a mole of NaCl is the
>same weight as a mole of silver. But apparently the mole mass varies
>for each compound. According to wikipedia a mole of NaCl weighs 58
>grams whilst a mole of Silver Oxide weighs 231 grams. So a mole of
>silver oxide weighs almost exactly 4 times as much as a mole of NaCl.
>
>So, whilst .OOO171mole of AgOH was twice as conductive
>as .000171mole of NaCL it actually required 4 times as much silver
>mass to achieve it. Working 'downwards' I think this means that to
>achieve the same conductivity as a mole of NaCl we would have to
>provide silver equal to half a mole. But because silver is 4 times
>heavier we still have twice the mass of silver than NaCl. Thus the
>silver must be half as conductive as NaCL as I previously suggested.
>
>(I couldn't actually find a mole mass for silver hydroxide. Silver
>Oxide was the closest compound I could find and the mole mass for
>other silver compounds is similar so I'm assuming silver hydroxide
>would be the same)
>
>I'm no chemist. There may be a big whole in my story somewhere, but
>I sorta like the neatness of it so far.
>
>David
>
>--- In
><mailto:4COLLOIDALSILVER%40yahoogroups.com>4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com,
>"br0tw0" <br0tw0@...>
>wrote:
> >
> > --- In
> <mailto:4COLLOIDALSILVER%40yahoogroups.com>4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com,
> "alchemysa" <mail@> wrote:
> >
> > Welcome back Joe.
> >
> > (Joe)
> >
> > Thanks David, but I haven't really been gone. The other forum got
>to
> > the point where there were so few posts I didn't bother to check
>on a
> > daily basis. Recently took a look and saw your post stating that
>many
> > had moved to this new forum.
> >
> > (David)
> >
> > That link looks interesting but I'll have to work harder to
> > understand it Can you tell me if it indicates that silver ions (or
> > silver hydroxide)are half as conductive as sodium chloride. (As I
> > thought I read somewhere but could never find again).
> >
> > (Joe)
> >
> > I just punched in a given amount (moles/liter) of AgOH and NaCl
>and
> > the results were just the opposite of what you thought they were.
>For
> > instance, if you use the calculator and form a compound of AgOH,
> > select 25 degrees Cent., click the "conc" button, enter .000171
> > moles/liter in the "Explorer prompt box", click OK, select 0 -
>1999uS
> > range on the meter icon, click the long "blue" bar on the right
>side
> > of the meter icon, the display will show that the above
>concentration
> > of AgOH has a conductivity of 44.5 - 45uS ( it will change by
>a .5uS
> > from use to use). Doing the same with NaCl will indicate a
> > conductivity of 22.5uS, about 1/2 that of AgOH for the SAME molar
> > mass.
> >
> > The reason for choosing the concentration of .000171 moles/liter
>was
> > that anything ABOVE that amount for AgOH will result in an error
> > message from the calculator indicating that "Silver Hydroxide is
>not
> > soluable at this concentration"; meaning the saturation point has
> > been reached for soluable Ag in the presence of OH.
> >
> > To rap this up and for the sake of not using up more bandwidth and
> > boring those not interested, the .000171 moles/liter concentration
>of
> > AgOH would consist of about 18.5 mg/l of Ag. So from a perspective
>of
> > 1uS = 1PPM for a PWT meter, the numbers don't jive. If a TDS reads
> > 1/2 of what a PWT does, then it would be much closer to the the
> > theoritical of 1uS =1PPM.
> >
> > PWT; 45uS / 18.5 mg/l Ag = 2.43:1
> >
> > TDs; 22.5 PPM / 18.5 mg/l AG = 1.22:1
> >
> > Joe
> >
>
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
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>11/20/2007 5:44 PM

Joe said..

"1 mole of NaCl weighs 58.4 g/mol while 1 mole of AgO weighs 123.9
g/mol not 231 grams as you show above. AgOH weighs just a tad more
than AgO at 124.9 g/mol"


Silver Oxide is usually expressed as Ag2O. If you use that formula in
the calculator you get 231.7 grams as listed on Wikipedia. (Four times
the mole mass of NaCl.) Silver Hydroxide is 58g as you said.

Intuitively I would also think Ag+ is highly conductive, but theres
not much sense to that really. It's not 'real' silver anymore is it?.
Perhaps in water its 'heaviness' becomes a disadvantage.

I understood that a mole is Avogadros number of molecules OR atoms OR
whatever. I think for these figures that are using moles of molecules.

But its over my head.

Davd






--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "br0tw0" <br0tw0@...> wrote:
>
> --- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "alchemysa" <mail@> wrote:
>
> Joe.  I may have found why the numbers don't jive.
>
> I think you are assuming (like I did) that a mole of NaCl is the
> same weight as a mole of silver. But apparently the mole mass varies
> for each compound. According to wikipedia a mole of NaCl weighs 58
> grams whilst a mole of Silver Oxide weighs 231 grams. So a mole of
> silver oxide weighs almost exactly 4 times as much as a mole of NaCl.
>
> (Joe)
>
> I was looking at each compound as having the exact same number of
> enities such as electrons, protron, atoms, molecules etc. as defined
> by the "mole unit" (symbol mol). If I interpret the definition
> correctly, 1 mole of any substance such as AgOH and  1 mole of NaCl
> will both contain exactly Avogadros number of enities, atoms,
> molecules etc.; so .000171 mols of AgOH has exactly the same number
> of entites as .000171 moles of NaCl. Molar Mass/Weight is the mass of
> one mole of a substance and is expressed in g/mol. According to this
> molar mass calculator at this link;
>
>  http://www.webqc.org/mmcalc.php
>
> 1 mole of NaCl weighs 58.4 g/mol while 1 mole of AgO weighs 123.9
> g/mol not 231 grams as you show above. AgOH weighs just a tad more
> than AgO at 124.9 g/mol.
>
>
> (David)
>
> So, whilst .OOO171mole of AgOH was twice as conductive as .000171
> mole of NaCL it actually required 4 times as much silver mass to
> achieve it. Working 'downwards' I think this means that to achieve
> the same conductivity as a mole of NaCl we would have to provide
> silver equal to half a mole. But because silver is 4 times heavier we
> still have twice the mass of silver than NaCl. Thus the silver must
> be half as conductive as NaCL as I previously suggested.
>
> (Joe)
>
> Intuitively I would think that a compound such as AgOH would have a
> higher conductivity than that of NaCl based on the fact that Ag is
> the most conductive metal or very close to the top of any known metal.
> NaCl is definitely conductive but I would think less than that of a
> compound composed of Ag.
>
> (David)
>
> (I couldn't actually find a mole mass for silver hydroxide. Silver
> Oxide was the closest compound I could find and the mole mass for
> other silver compounds is similar so I'm assuming silver hydroxide
> would be the same)
>
> (Joe)
>
> The link to the calculator given above will give you that
> information. It also displays the elemental composition (mass
> percent) of the compound.
>
> (David)
>
> I'm no chemist. There may be a big whole in my story somewhere, but
> I sorta like the neatness of it so far.
>
> (Joe)
>
> Well David, you damn sure know I'm no chemist, so you could be
> correct in your thinking.
>
> Joe
>

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "alchemysa" <mail@...> wrote:

Joe.  I may have found why the numbers don't jive.

I think you are assuming (like I did) that a mole of NaCl is the
same weight as a mole of silver. But apparently the mole mass varies
for each compound. According to wikipedia a mole of NaCl weighs 58
grams whilst a mole of Silver Oxide weighs 231 grams. So a mole of
silver oxide weighs almost exactly 4 times as much as a mole of NaCl.

(Joe)

I was looking at each compound as having the exact same number of
enities such as electrons, protron, atoms, molecules etc. as defined
by the "mole unit" (symbol mol). If I interpret the definition
correctly, 1 mole of any substance such as AgOH and  1 mole of NaCl
will both contain exactly Avogadros number of enities, atoms,
molecules etc.; so .000171 mols of AgOH has exactly the same number
of entites as .000171 moles of NaCl. Molar Mass/Weight is the mass of
one mole of a substance and is expressed in g/mol. According to this
molar mass calculator at this link;

  http://www.webqc.org/mmcalc.php

1 mole of NaCl weighs 58.4 g/mol while 1 mole of AgO weighs 123.9
g/mol not 231 grams as you show above. AgOH weighs just a tad more
than AgO at 124.9 g/mol.


(David)

So, whilst .OOO171mole of AgOH was twice as conductive as .000171
mole of NaCL it actually required 4 times as much silver mass to
achieve it. Working 'downwards' I think this means that to achieve
the same conductivity as a mole of NaCl we would have to provide
silver equal to half a mole. But because silver is 4 times heavier we
still have twice the mass of silver than NaCl. Thus the silver must
be half as conductive as NaCL as I previously suggested.

(Joe)

Intuitively I would think that a compound such as AgOH would have a
higher conductivity than that of NaCl based on the fact that Ag is
the most conductive metal or very close to the top of any known metal.
NaCl is definitely conductive but I would think less than that of a
compound composed of Ag.

(David)

(I couldn't actually find a mole mass for silver hydroxide. Silver
Oxide was the closest compound I could find and the mole mass for
other silver compounds is similar so I'm assuming silver hydroxide
would be the same)

(Joe)

The link to the calculator given above will give you that
information. It also displays the elemental composition (mass
percent) of the compound.

(David)

I'm no chemist. There may be a big whole in my story somewhere, but
I sorta like the neatness of it so far.

(Joe)

Well David, you damn sure know I'm no chemist, so you could be
correct in your thinking.

Joe

Adding H2O2 to fresh made ionic CS is exposing free reactive ions to
radical Oxygen.
H2O2 is also a silver reaction catalyst which makes the H2O2 release it's
Oxygen fast enough to create steam out of the left over water.
Dilute both and an emulsion wouldn't be surprising.
   An emulsion with little available oxygen may be whiteish while more
oxygen would oxidize ions to brown...even more destroys the oxides. [but
that's a yucky amount of H2O2 ]
Silver ions apparently lock into the water molecules over time, protecting
them from combining with Hydroxl anions [OH-] that are made at the same
rate at the same time that silver ions are made...also a radical.

Ode


At 04:15 AM 11/20/2007 +0000, you wrote:

>--- In
><mailto:4COLLOIDALSILVER%40yahoogroups.com>4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com,
>Carol Ann <saffireskyes@...>
>wrote:
> >
> > Its probably been mentioned before, but I cannot currently find the
>info. Plea to patience. :)
> >
> > Can someone explain in laymen terms, why EIS must settle for a few
>days before adding H20. And, aside from the obvious strengths re
>drops, does it make a difference whether one add OTC 3% or 35%. I
>had a slightly yellow batch that I added H20 to immediately upon
>completion. It is now, after a week, still murky. I added merely as
>an experiment.
> >
> > Thank you, list advisors. :)
> >
>Carol Ann,
>
>I'm about as laymenish as they come, so...a couple of things.
>Regarding the otc H202 vrs. 35% (I'm assuming you mean food grade),
>the puritians will say must be food grade due to the stabalizers in
>the otc 3%. I can't really say if it has to be one over the other.
>But since it will be consumed, I'd think the food grade would be the
>better choice.
>
>What really struck me was your 'murky' comment. To me murky is
>something different than yellowish, right? Murky is more cloudy like
>to me. I had a murky batch, so thought I, too, would add some H202.
>I added the 35% H202 because that is what I had on hand. It, too,
>was added right after I first made the batch because I wasn't happy
>with the murkishness of it. When I added the H202, it got much
>worse. So much so, I decided to feed it to my plants.
>
>Got to thinking and wondering why this batch did not turn out clear.
>I back tracked over all I had done, and thought maybe the water was
>not a quality water. However, I had used it before. Thought somehow
>it seemed contaminated, so it had to have been coming from the jar.
>I use a regular canning jar. I wash it in soapy tap water & rinse in
>regular tap water. Always have and never had a problem before, but
>read a post where somebody said they always rinsed their jar with
>distilled water, so that's what I then did. That fixed the problem.
>The following batch was nice and clear.
> >
>If your problem is with a murky CS rather than one that's a little
>yellowish from over cooking it, then I would have to say check to
>make sure what you are making it in is not contaminated in any way &
>that your water is a good quality water. From what I've read, if
>it's just from being yellow, then the H202 should lighten it up.
>
>I never knew one was suppose to 'settle' the CS before adding the
>H202. Somebody that knows more than I will have to comment on that.
>Now that I'm thinking about it, could be a contributing factor in
>making my murky CS even worse if adding right after making the CS is
>a really 'no,no'. Who would have thunk?
>
>Gail
> >
>
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
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>11/19/2007 7:05 PM

Joe.  I may have found why the numbers don't jive.

I think you are assuming (like I did) that a mole of NaCl is the
same weight as a mole of silver. But apparently the mole mass varies
for each compound. According to wikipedia a mole of NaCl weighs 58
grams whilst a mole of Silver Oxide weighs 231 grams. So a mole of
silver oxide weighs almost exactly 4 times as much as a mole of NaCl.

So, whilst .OOO171mole of AgOH was twice as conductive
as .000171mole of NaCL it actually required 4 times as much silver
mass to achieve it. Working 'downwards' I think this means that to
achieve the same conductivity as a mole of NaCl we would have to
provide silver equal to half a mole. But because silver is 4 times
heavier we still have twice the mass of silver than NaCl. Thus the
silver must be half as conductive as NaCL as I previously suggested.

(I couldn't actually find a mole mass for silver hydroxide. Silver
Oxide was the closest compound I could find and the mole mass for
other silver compounds is similar so I'm assuming silver hydroxide
would be the same)

I'm no chemist. There may be a big whole in my story somewhere, but
I sorta like the neatness of it so far.


David





   --- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "br0tw0" <br0tw0@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "alchemysa" <mail@> wrote:
>
> Welcome back Joe.
>
> (Joe)
>
> Thanks David, but I haven't really been gone. The other forum got
to
> the point where there were so few posts I didn't bother to check
on a
> daily basis. Recently took a look and saw your post stating that
many
> had moved to this new forum.
>
> (David)
>
> That link looks interesting but I'll have to work harder to
> understand it Can you tell me if it indicates that silver ions (or
> silver hydroxide)are half as conductive as sodium chloride. (As I
> thought I read somewhere but could never find again).
>
> (Joe)
>
> I just punched in a given amount (moles/liter) of AgOH and NaCl
and
> the results were just the opposite of what you thought they were.
For
> instance, if you use the calculator and form a compound of AgOH,
> select 25 degrees Cent., click the "conc" button, enter .000171
> moles/liter in the "Explorer prompt box", click OK, select 0 -
1999uS
> range on the meter icon, click the long "blue" bar on the right
side
> of the meter icon, the display will show that the above
concentration
> of AgOH has a conductivity of 44.5 - 45uS ( it will change by
a .5uS
> from use to use). Doing the same with NaCl will indicate a
> conductivity of 22.5uS, about 1/2 that of AgOH for the SAME molar
> mass.
>
> The reason for choosing the concentration of .000171 moles/liter
was
> that anything ABOVE that amount for AgOH  will result in an error
> message from the calculator indicating that "Silver Hydroxide is
not
> soluable at this concentration"; meaning the saturation point has
> been reached for soluable Ag in the presence of OH.
>
> To rap this up and for the sake of not using up more bandwidth and
> boring those not interested, the .000171 moles/liter concentration
of
> AgOH would consist of about 18.5 mg/l of Ag. So from a perspective
of
> 1uS = 1PPM for a PWT meter, the numbers don't jive. If a TDS reads
> 1/2 of what a PWT does, then it would be much closer to the the
> theoritical of 1uS =1PPM.
>
> PWT; 45uS / 18.5 mg/l Ag = 2.43:1
>
> TDs;  22.5 PPM / 18.5 mg/l AG = 1.22:1
>
> Joe
>

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, ABC OSLO <abcoslo@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi
> I have bought this destiller :
>
> http://waterdistiller.com/distiller-water/water-distillers-love.html
>
> And I have some questiones ; Does it only boil the wather and
> then it goes via the filter ??? Or what is the difference with
> this and boild wather put via a filter ? Do the minerals still
> stay in the wather ?

A distiller boils the water and then cools and condenses the water
vapor back to liquid water. The minerals are left behind in the
boiling chamber of the distiller, which will have to be periodically
cleaned out to remove the mineral build-up. Boiling water and putting
the boiled water through a filter does not remove the minerals.

If you are going to use the distilled water for making colloidal
silver, DO NOT use the distiller's post-distillation filter, as it can
contaminate the distilled water. That filter should only be used if
you're going to use the distilled water for drinking.

> Also the plastic bottle were stinking of toxic plastic
> ............. may be the wather get full of plastics by staying
> in this container ???

It would be a good idea to transfer the distilled water to a glass
bottle for long-term storage.

> It also takes lot of energy to distill a litre !

Yes, distilling water is energy intensive.

>What really struck me was your 'murky' comment. To me murky is
>something different than yellowish, right?

Actually, it was just a very faint yellow when I was done.  Hardly noticable.

Until, I added the H20.  That when it went it morphed to murky.  All prior and subsequent batches were clear. I  just over cooked that one particular batch and  little and thought, hmm, try some H20. Same gallon of distilled water  for all the batches.

I divided the batch of slightly yellow brew and to one jar added 35%,  to the other OTC 3%.  The batch with 35% looks grey. The jar with 3% a little less murky, but I don't think I'll be drinking either one.  I've kept them around, for a week now, just out of curiosity to see if there is a certain time that elapses before, or if, a transformation were to occur.

I think though, based upon what I remember reading, that one must wait a few days for the solution to settle BEFORE  adding the H20.  Just wanted to confirm if this was correct.

Based upon what I've read, like you,  I thought the H20 would lighten it up if just a tad overcooked.   Perhaps that is the case, IF a certain period of time  is allowed (days)  to pass for the solutio to settle.

I never knew one was suppose to 'settle' the CS before adding the
H202. Somebody that knows more than I will have to comment on that.
Now that I'm thinking about it, could be a contributing factor in
making my murky CS even worse if adding right after making the CS is
a really 'no,no'. Who would have thunk?

Gail
>

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, Carol Ann <saffireskyes@...>
wrote:
>
> Its probably been mentioned before, but I cannot currently find the
info.   Plea to patience. :)
>
> Can someone explain in laymen terms, why EIS must settle for a few
days before adding H20. And, aside from the obvious strengths re
drops,  does it make a difference whether one add OTC 3% or 35%.  I
had a slightly yellow batch that I added H20 to immediately upon
completion.  It is now, after a week, still murky. I  added merely as
an experiment.
>
> Thank you, list advisors. :)
>
  Carol Ann,

I'm about as laymenish as they come, so...a couple of things.
Regarding the otc H202 vrs. 35% (I'm assuming you mean food grade),
the puritians will say must be food grade due to the stabalizers in
the otc 3%.  I can't really say if it has to be one over the other.
But since it will be consumed, I'd think the food grade would be the
better choice.

What really struck me was your 'murky' comment.  To me murky is
something different than yellowish, right?  Murky is more cloudy like
to me.  I had a murky batch, so thought I, too, would add some H202.
I added the 35% H202 because that is what I had on hand.  It, too,
was added right after I first made the batch because I wasn't happy
with the murkishness of it.  When I added the H202, it got much
worse.  So much so, I decided to feed it to my plants.

Got to thinking and wondering why this batch did not turn out clear.
I back tracked over all I had done, and thought maybe the water was
not a quality water.  However, I had used it before.  Thought somehow
it seemed contaminated, so it had to have been coming from the jar.
I use a regular canning jar.  I wash it in soapy tap water & rinse in
regular tap water.  Always have and never had a problem before, but
read a post where somebody said they always rinsed their jar with
distilled water, so that's what I then did.  That fixed the problem.
The following batch was nice and clear.
>
If your problem is with a murky CS rather than one that's a little
yellowish from over cooking it, then I  would have to say check to
make sure what you are making it in is not contaminated in any way &
that your water is a good quality water.  From what I've read, if
it's just from being yellow, then the H202 should lighten it up.

I never knew one was suppose to 'settle' the CS before adding the
H202.  Somebody that knows more than I will have to comment on that.
Now that I'm thinking about it, could be a contributing factor in
making my murky CS even worse if adding right after making the CS is
a really 'no,no'.  Who would have thunk?

Gail
>

You are so humourless and predictable Ben. No doub't you can tediously
  explain why those qualities are virtues, but please don't. And dont
flatter yourself that you've hit any of my nerves. In fact it seems
the opposite is the case.

David


--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "uncleben75708"
<cncsmetal@...> wrote:
>
> --- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "alchemysa" <mail@> wrote:
> >
> > Welcome back Joe. Uncle Ben's missed you. (Not really :).
> >
> > David
>
>
> Quite the contrary. One of my first thoughts after moving here was
> whether or not Joe would show up. I've always respected his field of
> expertise. It's our personallities that sometimes clash.
>
> You, on the other hand, appear to try to stir the pot by remote
> control, for which I have no respect for.. (Smile or no smile..) I must
> have hit a nerve at some point in time for your toe to still be
> smarting. Good for me.. :)
>
> Uncleben ..
>

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "alchemysa" <mail@...> wrote:

Welcome back Joe.

(Joe)

Thanks David, but I haven't really been gone. The other forum got to
the point where there were so few posts I didn't bother to check on a
daily basis. Recently took a look and saw your post stating that many
had moved to this new forum.

(David)

That link looks interesting but I'll have to work harder to
understand it Can you tell me if it indicates that silver ions (or
silver hydroxide)are half as conductive as sodium chloride. (As I
thought I read somewhere but could never find again).

(Joe)

I just punched in a given amount (moles/liter) of AgOH and NaCl and
the results were just the opposite of what you thought they were. For
instance, if you use the calculator and form a compound of AgOH,
select 25 degrees Cent., click the "conc" button, enter .000171
moles/liter in the "Explorer prompt box", click OK, select 0 - 1999uS
range on the meter icon, click the long "blue" bar on the right side
of the meter icon, the display will show that the above concentration
of AgOH has a conductivity of 44.5 - 45uS ( it will change by a .5uS
from use to use). Doing the same with NaCl will indicate a
conductivity of 22.5uS, about 1/2 that of AgOH for the SAME molar
mass.

The reason for choosing the concentration of .000171 moles/liter was
that anything ABOVE that amount for AgOH  will result in an error
message from the calculator indicating that "Silver Hydroxide is not
soluable at this concentration"; meaning the saturation point has
been reached for soluable Ag in the presence of OH.

To rap this up and for the sake of not using up more bandwidth and
boring those not interested, the .000171 moles/liter concentration of
AgOH would consist of about 18.5 mg/l of Ag. So from a perspective of
1uS = 1PPM for a PWT meter, the numbers don't jive. If a TDS reads
1/2 of what a PWT does, then it would be much closer to the the
theoritical of 1uS =1PPM.

PWT; 45uS / 18.5 mg/l Ag = 2.43:1

TDs;  22.5 PPM / 18.5 mg/l AG = 1.22:1

Joe