Other than I absolutely love dogs (I have three), I was struggling two weeks ago
with sending my Colloidal Master to my son.  I'm not well to do.  We get by ok
financially and thank God, my husband is still working full time.
But I knew that sending my generator to Jimmy meant buying another one for
myself. Knowing what CS can do meant there was no way I could do without one. 
We had a really rough summer with all the things that broke.  And I lost a Dane
in August.
Vets are not cheap.  That is why I posted for advice.  I really did want some
kind of assurance that I would not be wasting my money.

I hope that Mayhem keeps up her progress.  I've never even met this dog.  My son
lives in Florida and I live in Tennessee.
When I hear more, I'll let you all know.

Linda

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "Uncleben" <cncsmetal@...> wrote:
>
>
> I've said many times....CS is NOT GOING TO HURT YOU so.. one has NOTHING to
lose. We do not know all of what CS can do AND...since it can't hurt you......
>
> Glad the dog is doing better. I've seen dogs refused treatment by the vet due
to having Parvo and were not supposed to be able to survive the night...Well, so
much for that BS.. The night was filled with force feeding the dogs CS with a
large syringe of homemade CS about every half hour and they survived to get into
trouble again...<G>
>
> Uncleben ..
>

I've said many times....CS is NOT GOING TO HURT YOU so.. one has NOTHING to
lose. We do not know all of what CS can do AND...since it can't hurt you......

Glad the dog is doing better. I've seen dogs refused treatment by the vet due to
having Parvo and were not supposed to be able to survive the night...Well, so
much for that BS.. The night was filled with force feeding the dogs CS with a
large syringe of homemade CS about every half hour and they survived to get into
trouble again...<G>

Uncleben ..

My son's dog who has Inflamatory Reticulosis has been drinking CS now for a
week.  Jimmy said that a week ago it looked like her steroid shot was wearing
off.  Mayhem was starting to become unbalanced in her walk and her left eye was
going blind again.  From what has been happening for the last 5 months now, once
Mayhem has started to go down, it was a straight shot down.  She could not walk
on her own and would become completely blind.  Twenty four hours after a
cortisone shot, Mayhem would be able to see again and be able to walk.  Last
week Jimmy was about to call the vet to arrange for another cortisone shot. 
During the last week, Mayhem has completely reversed her downward slide and
Jimmy says that to look at her as of last Friday, you'd never know there was
anything wrong with her.  She is totally looking and acting like she did before
she got sick.
Mayhem's vet had lost a dog of his own to Inflamatory Reticulosis a year ago. 
Jimmy was told that there was no cure, no hope.  Two weeks ago, when Mayhem went
in for the cortisone shot, the vet asked why they were keeping her alive.

My son, I think is in shock.  He gave the CS out of desperation.  But in his
heart he didn't dare to believe that it could help.  But he wanted it to help. 
Like I told him, this is a good sign and I am thrilled that Mayhem is doing so
good after only a week on it.  He will definitely keep giving her the CS.  I'll
keep you all posted from time to time.

Linda

Ode.

Paragraph one....He said WHAT?
Paragraph two....English,  I like it!

Science was NOT my best subject and even if it was, I would have forgot it
decades ago.

Now,  where do you think I can get a lavender colored X-mas bulb?


Linda


> ## Gasses work opposite from ions in a solution.  Warm water has a higher
> saturation point with ions, when the water cools, ions crystallize out as
> nucleated particles using other particles as the nucleation surface for
> crystal growth as the saturation point goes down in a saturated solution.
> [rock candy]
>
>   Warm water will hold less dissolved gas [air] than cool water, so when
> the thermal stirrer warms the cool water that's loaded with dissolved
> gasses, those dissolved gasses in the water will condense on any surface
> they find handiest, forming growing nucleated bubbles.
>
> Ode

You got it, sweet lady, and may God hold Keelan, and your whole family
in God's heart's hand.

Nikki



wanda85929 wrote:
>
> For those that pray, please pray for my grandson, Keelan, who will be
> going through heart surgery Dec. 28. Cardiologist seems to think it is
> better to do it sooner rather than later. Parents had wanted to wait
> until he was older but doc suggests doing it now.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Gail
>
>

At 08:13 PM 11/14/2009 +0000, you wrote:
>
>
>In the interest of beautifing my home and just because I'm a woman....
>would it be bad if I change the little light in the base to another color.
>Red or green would be good for December! Purple or blue would be soothing
>other times of the year.

##  The thermal stirrer is about temperature differences, not color...no
problem


>Just every now and then I get the urge to change things! Must be in my gene's!
>
>And a question just out of curiosity. On my Colloidal Master, I never saw
>any bubbles on the silver. On the Silver Puppy, the silver wires were
>covered with tiny bubbles. Please keep the answer simple. I just don't
>understand all the technical stuff.

## Gasses work opposite from ions in a solution.  Warm water has a higher
saturation point with ions, when the water cools, ions crystallize out as
nucleated particles using other particles as the nucleation surface for
crystal growth as the saturation point goes down in a saturated solution.
[rock candy]

   Warm water will hold less dissolved gas [air] than cool water, so when
the thermal stirrer warms the cool water that's loaded with dissolved
gasses, those dissolved gasses in the water will condense on any surface
they find handiest, forming growing nucleated bubbles.

Ode


>Linda
>
>

Thanks, so now I can be decorative and healthy!!!!
Gotta love it!

Linda

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "alchemysa" <mail@...> wrote:
>
> The light just provides a little warmth, so if you can find a same watt globe
in a different colour it shouldn't make any difference.
>
> Bubbles on the electrodes are usually too small to notice. Temperature changes
in the water might be 'de-gassing' the water. You might see them on the inside
of the jar too.
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "lindaedm" <chapel555@> wrote:
> >
> > In the interest of beautifing my home and just because I'm a woman....
> > would it be bad if I change the little light in the base to another color. 
Red or green would be good for December!  Purple or blue would be soothing other
times of the year.
> >
> > Just every now and then I get the urge to change things!  Must be in my
gene's!
> >
> >
> > And a question just out of curiosity.  On my Colloidal Master, I never saw
any bubbles on the silver.  On the Silver Puppy, the silver wires were covered
with tiny bubbles.  Please keep the answer simple.  I just don't understand all
the technical stuff.
> >
> > Linda
> >
>

The light just provides a little warmth, so if you can find a same watt globe in
a different colour it shouldn't make any difference.

Bubbles on the electrodes are usually too small to notice. Temperature changes
in the water might be 'de-gassing' the water. You might see them on the inside
of the jar too.

David






--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "lindaedm" <chapel555@...> wrote:
>
> In the interest of beautifing my home and just because I'm a woman....
> would it be bad if I change the little light in the base to another color. 
Red or green would be good for December!  Purple or blue would be soothing other
times of the year.
>
> Just every now and then I get the urge to change things!  Must be in my
gene's!
>
>
> And a question just out of curiosity.  On my Colloidal Master, I never saw any
bubbles on the silver.  On the Silver Puppy, the silver wires were covered with
tiny bubbles.  Please keep the answer simple.  I just don't understand all the
technical stuff.
>
> Linda
>

In the interest of beautifing my home and just because I'm a woman....
would it be bad if I change the little light in the base to another color.  Red
or green would be good for December!  Purple or blue would be soothing other
times of the year.

Just every now and then I get the urge to change things!  Must be in my gene's!


And a question just out of curiosity.  On my Colloidal Master, I never saw any
bubbles on the silver.  On the Silver Puppy, the silver wires were covered with
tiny bubbles.  Please keep the answer simple.  I just don't understand all the
technical stuff.

Linda

I so hate to hear of little ones needing surgery........  I'll be a praying!

Linda

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "wanda85929" <wanda85929@...> wrote:
>
>  For those that pray, please pray for my grandson, Keelan, who will be going
through heart surgery Dec. 28.  Cardiologist seems to think it is better to do
it sooner rather than later.  Parents had wanted to wait until he was older but
doc suggests doing it now.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Gail
>

For those that pray, please pray for my grandson, Keelan, who will be going
through heart surgery Dec. 28.  Cardiologist seems to think it is better to do
it sooner rather than later.  Parents had wanted to wait until he was older but
doc suggests doing it now.

Many thanks,

Gail

If you read much here (at least in the past) you will find that 'floaters' are
not a problem, yellow CS is not a problem, and that homemade CS is extremely
easy.

Personal choice but I would never use Hydrogen Peroxide to clean my electrodes.
I've seen how it reacts with silver and, to me, that simply shortens the life of
'em.

Those strips on the Silvergen are so thin that one could modify the slots with a
pair of decent scissors and this shouldn't be much of a problem. I've gone to
the old electrodes from my original Harmony II which are much thicker and wider
(1 1/8 x 6 x .025). They had to be slotted to use on the Silvergen but was not
an issue. If (and when) I clean them I simply wipe them with a paper towel BUT,
I don't do that but once in a blue moon..

Good luck and keep askin' questions.

Uncleben ..

You could always make your own magnetic stirrer...magnet from old pooter hard
drive and the fan from same pooter, wire it all up in a box, connect it to a 9
volt dc adaptor and there you have it, cost = $0.00, except for the stirrer bar
which is cheap anyway (you could make one of those too but I didn't trust mine
so I bought some).  You could use straight 12 volt but vortex created may be a
tad excessive.  Ideas available in the public domain.  I've made several and
they work just fine, if they break down just find another old pooter and rat
that one for parts again.

[I don't drink the yellow stuff]
-Can't see any reason not to?

N.

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "Del" <del@...> wrote:
>
> Don't know anything about the Silveredge unit.
> I have both the Silvergen SG6 and the Silverpuppy.
> They both make good CS.
> Here are my comparisons, strictly based on my own experience:
> Like all things made by humans, both units are capable of breaking down. 
Mostly this happens to the stirring motor, which is the only moving part.  I
have the mag stirrer for the Silver Puppy and the motor died after a few months,
but Ode sent me a new one right away and it has been fine since (about a year
and a half).  It was easy for me to replace.  The stirring motor on the SG6 is
not user replaceable (not by me, anyway), you have to ship it back to Trem and
therefore is costly to replace.  I have had the SG6 for several years now and
experienced two failures.  Trem repaired the first one, and I did not bother to
repair when it died again, I just put the jar with the SG6 on the mag stirrer
that I got with the Silver Puppy.  This works great and probably means much
longer life for the SG6 because I am no longer using the built in stirrer (took
off the stirring stick).  So I would say to definitely get yourself a mag
stirrer no matter which unit you go with.
> Both units will supposedly detect bad water and refuse to turn on.  This has
not happened to me, so I have not tested it.  Both will shut off when the brew
reaches the desired strength.  The Silvergen had a knob you can use to regulate
the strength of the finished product.  Mine makes 10ppm very consistently, after
some experimentation with the dial and measuring the result with a COM-100.  The
output from the Silver Puppy cannot be adjusted, it has a fixed upper limit
which is a bit higher than I really want (about 14ppm or so on my Com-100), and
then it shuts off.  If you want a lower ppm, you have to simply stop the process
yourself, but I never seem to do this as I am very busy and like to just start
the unit and forget it until it shuts off by itself.
>
> I find the Silver Puppy much easier to set up than the SG6.  The silver
electrodes just sort of plug into the receptacles on the unit and it is ready to
go.  For me, putting the electrodes onto to the SG6 is much more awkward and
difficult, you have to loosen the clamps on the posts, slide the notched end of
the silver strip onto the post, screw the clamp back down on the strip to lock
it in place, and then bend the strip up (or down, depending on how you look at
it) into position.  It took me a lot of practice (and some ruined strips) before
I got pretty good at doing this.  Also, some of the strips arrived with off
center or inadequate notches so that I could not get them onto the post so they
could be clamped in place.  I have no tools to make my own notches, need some
kind of punch I guess, but I don't have one.
>
> My SG6 makes a quart mason jar of CS in about three or three and a half hours,
start to finish.  There are almost always some "floaters" on the top of the brew
which I scoop off with a stainless steel teaspoon.  Sometimes these sink to the
bottom, in which case you have to pour off the CS into another jar, being
careful to stop before these particles (silver oxide???) come out.  The Silver
Puppy will also produce "floaters" in DC mode, but you can adjust the Silver
Puppy to alternate between the two electrodes (SG6 does not have that option). 
This nearly eliminates the floaters but takes more than twice as long to finish
(about 8 hours).  Since I am not usually in a hurry, I almost always use the
Silver Puppy in alternating mode (basically, I am very lazy).
>
> When used properly, and the electrodes cleaned properly, both units make
crystal clear CS.  Occasionally, I get the yellow batch from both, I am pretty
sure this is my fault due to improper handling or something.  The batch comes
out clear, but turns yellow overnight.  Normally, I just wipe the electrodes
with a folded Kleenex after each batch, but when this happens I rinse the jar
with distilled water and wipe the electrodes with some hydrogen peroxide.  This
usually takes care of the problem.  If not, I get some new jars or put on some
new electrodes (very infrequent).  I don't drink the yellow stuff, but if you
add hydrogen peroxide to it and then let it sit long enough, it will clear up
and can be used externally.
>
> Which unit to choose is a matter of personal preference.  If you can afford
it, get one of each, then you have the best (and worst) of both worlds.  It is
good to have a backup unit, since failures can happen with either one.
>
> Del
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Lydia Flynn
>   To: 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:13 AM
>   Subject: [4COLLOIDALSILVER] New to Group
>
>
>
>   Hi to all,
>
>
>
>   I just joined this group because I can't decide which CS generator to buy.  
I would like a generator that I won't grow out of, I prefer to buy a good one so
that I don't have to buy another one in 5 years.   We've been using Mesosilver
but it's been a really big expense over the years.
>
>
>   I've looked at the Silvergen, Silverpuppy, Silveredge Micro-particle unit,
and the Biophysica 1metal generator.
>
>
>   They all say that they're the best with smallest particle size and best
absorbtion and stable and so on.
>
>
>   Is there anyone out there that can shed some light on the good or bad of
these units?
>
>
>   Thanks and best regards,
>
>
>   Lydia
>
>
>
>
>
>   On Nov 11, 2009, at 5:38 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>     PPM to PPM, it is said that MSP is 1/50th as effective as ionic silver
>     due to most of the silver surface area being unavailable due to the
protein
>     covering that keeps it suspended in water.
>
>     While it may be true that a teaspoon might not be enough, it is so cheap
>     to make that a quart of ionic silver costs nearly nothing and at least a
>     portion of it is colloidal.
>
>     Ionic silver will sterilize toilet bowl water at as little as 3 parts per
>     billion. [Brigham Young University study].
>     3 parts per million just does it faster
>
>     Meso Silver, some swear by it some swear at it... I suppose a lot has to
do
>     with how and how much.
>
>     Bottom line....do what works.
>
>     But, you "can" get into some trouble at 500+ PPM, so use that MSP stuff
>     sparingly. [Saving grace...most people can't afford to go overboard with
>     the reselling price so high]
>
>     general overview:
>
>     In addition, silver protein products generate other risks because of the
>     protein medium. Commonly used gelatin protein is an animal product
obtained
>     by boiling the skin, tendons, and ligaments of animals. As a result, it
>     contains protein, collagen (a primary component of joints, cartilage, and
>     nails), and various amino acids. Gelatin is widely known by the trade name
>     Knox Gelatin. Gelatin is water soluble and will remain in liquid form
>     provided a sufficient amount of water is present. Other protein polymers
>     such as casein, which is derived from dairy products, behaves the same as
>     gelatin when combined with silver particles in a silver protein product.
>
>     When used as a suspension medium for silver particles, the protein polymer
>     molecules encapsulate the silver particles so that the silver cannot kill
>     pathogens that may grow on the outside surface of the protein sheath. This
>     fact was discovered by Professor Ronald Gibbs when he was doing the
>     research for his booklet "Silver Colloids, Do They Work?"
>
>     Gibbs found live bacteria growing on the protein in silver protein
>     products. That probably should come as no great surprise since protein
>     actually supports the growth of bacteria and fungus, and is used in
>     laboratory agar to grow pathogens for in vitro testing. According to
>     Professor Gibbs, adding protein to silver colloids is potentially unsafe
>     due to the presence of live bacteria found growing on "mild silver
protein"
>     products.
>
>     Normally, it would be impossible for bacteria to live in colloidal silver
>     because the colloidal silver itself would kill the pathogens, but it is
>     common in products containing protein because the large protein molecules
>     encapsulate the silver particles, preventing the silver from reaching the
>     bacteria to in order to kill it. For this reason, Professor Gibbs
>     recommended that silver protein products should be avoided. Here is the
>     quote from Professor Gibbsbook concerning use of protein to stabilize
>     colloidal silver:
>
>     "A fifth sample considered showed fuzzy clusters around silver particles
>     when viewed in water [Figure 3A]. Because these clusters resembled
>     bacteria, a special staining technique was utilized to confirm the
>     impurity. The sample was injected with live cell nucleic acid stain [STYO
>     13] which is taken up by live bacteria and shows as bright green when
>     viewed using a 500 nm-long pass emission filter for fluorescence
detection.
>     As suspected, this fuzzy material fluoresced indicating the material was,
>     indeed, live bacteria growing on the gelatin that had apparently been used
>     to stabilize the colloidal silver suspension. In Figure 3A the black dots
>     inside the fuzzy mass are the silver particles. This sample exhibits the
>     poor quality control that is totally unacceptable in this type of product.
>     This sample was removed from further consideration and analysis."
>
>     If MSP is your "thing", go to a chemical supply house [there are several
>     online] and buy the powder in bulk, mix with water yourself and save a
>     pile of cash.
>
>     1
>    
<http://www.fishersci.com/wps/portal/PRODUCTDETAIL?prodcutdetail=%27prod%27&prod\
uctId=647088&catalogId=29104&matchedCatNo=AC419380050&pos=1&catCode=RE_SC&endeca\
SearchQuery=%23store%3DScientific%23N%3D0%23rpp%3D15&fromCat=yes&keepSessionSear\
chOutPut=true&fromSearch=Y&searchKey=mild%7C%7Csilver%7C%7Cprotein&highlightProd\
uctsItemsFlag=Y>Silver
>     Proteinate Mild, 19-23% Ag, Acros Organics (1)
>     9015-51-4 MFCD00132268 Protargol S
>
>     Catalog Numbers: Supplier: ACROS Organics
>
>     AC41938-0050
>     419380050
>
>    
https://www.spectrumchemical.com/OA_HTML/ibeCSrdSrchResults.jsp?cg=-200&kw=mild+\
silver+protein&minisite=10020&respid=50577&ds=0&dr=30&st=kw&cpg=0&section=18956&\
searchlov=-1
>
>     SI120-25GM Silver Protein, Mild - 25 g EA $79.85
>
>     SI120-100GM Silver Protein, Mild - 100 g EA $256.05
>
>     While you are there, take a look at "nano-silver powder", a new product
for
>     industry [anti bacterial paint and plastics additives etc ] that well may
>     be vastly superior to MSP.
>
>     SILVER METAL, POWDER, 99.99% pure, -325 mesh, 1 micron average, Ag
>
>     SILVER METAL, POWDER, 99.99% pure, -325 mesh, 1 micron average, Ag
>    
http://www.jazdchemicals.com/chemyellowpages/company/NOAH-TECHNOLOGIES-CORPORATI\
ON/SILVER-METAL-POWDER-9999-pure-325-mesh-1-micron-average-Ag.htm?supplierId=136\
53860&productId=13410
>     Manufacturer NOAH TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION
>     Part Number 13176
>
>     Novax Material & Technology Inc.
>
>     Manufacturer of Industrial Material Supply.
>
>     Company Introduction
>
>     Manufacturer of industrial materials supply, include nano gold catalyst,
>     nano silver catalyst, minus ion powders, water & oil repellent agents,
silk
>     protein, xylitol, chitosan, capsicum tincture, etc..
>
>     Ode
>
>     At 01:07 AM 11/11/2009 +0000, you wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >I tried Meso silver ( 1 gallon ) with no results for my condition.
>     >The brand at www.islandorganicproducts.com is working slowly but surely
>     >for my condtion, chronic systemic candidiasis. As an added bonus, after 3
>     >weeks of oral 2,000ppm a light brown liver spot on my forehead the size
of
>     >a nickel that was there for 15 years and surgically removed twice each
>     >time returning completely vanished. I never applied it topically, just
>     >took 2 teaspoons each morning.
>     >
>     >--- In
>    
><mailto:4COLLOIDALSILVER%40yahoogroups.com>4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com,
>     >Ode Coyote <odecoyote@> wrote:
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > ..a fairly complete list of commercially available preparations with
>     > > "competent" lab analysis.
>     > > This guy has his own sales agenda and "secret process", but he's a
good
>     > > guy none-the-less.
>     > >
>     > >
>     >
<http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html#CompTable>http://www.silver\
-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html#CompTable
>     > >
>     > > Ode
>     > >
>     > > At 10:18 PM 11/1/2009 +0000, you wrote:
>     > > >
>     > > >
>     > > >Is there a recommended product for purchasing already made CS? Am
looking
>     > > >to take it for Crohn's Disease.
>     > > >
>     > > >
>     > >
>     >
>     >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Lydia Flynn

To: 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:13 AM

Subject: [4COLLOIDALSILVER] New to Group

 

Hi to all,

I just joined this group because I can't decide which CS generator to buy.   I would like a generator that I won't grow out of, I prefer to buy a good one so that I don't have to buy another one in 5 years.   We've been using Mesosilver but it's been a really big expense over the years.

I've looked at the Silvergen, Silverpuppy, Silveredge Micro-particle unit, and the Biophysica 1metal generator. 

They all say that they're the best with smallest particle size and best absorbtion and stable and so on.

Is there anyone out there that can shed some light on the good or bad of these units?

Thanks and best regards,

Lydia

  

On Nov 11, 2009, at 5:38 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:

 

PPM to PPM, it is said that MSP is 1/50th as effective as ionic silver
due to most of the silver surface area being unavailable due to the protein
covering that keeps it suspended in water.

While it may be true that a teaspoon might not be enough, it is so cheap
to make that a quart of ionic silver costs nearly nothing and at least a
portion of it is colloidal.

Ionic silver will sterilize toilet bowl water at as little as 3 parts per
billion. [Brigham Young University study].
3 parts per million just does it faster

Meso Silver, some swear by it some swear at it... I suppose a lot has to do
with how and how much.

Bottom line....do what works.

But, you "can" get into some trouble at 500+ PPM, so use that MSP stuff
sparingly. [Saving grace...most people can't afford to go overboard with
the reselling price so high]

general overview:

In addition, silver protein products generate other risks because of the
protein medium. Commonly used gelatin protein is an animal product obtained
by boiling the skin, tendons, and ligaments of animals. As a result, it
contains protein, collagen (a primary component of joints, cartilage, and
nails), and various amino acids. Gelatin is widely known by the trade name
Knox Gelatin. Gelatin is water soluble and will remain in liquid form
provided a sufficient amount of water is present. Other protein polymers
such as casein, which is derived from dairy products, behaves the same as
gelatin when combined with silver particles in a silver protein product.

When used as a suspension medium for silver particles, the protein polymer
molecules encapsulate the silver particles so that the silver cannot kill
pathogens that may grow on the outside surface of the protein sheath. This
fact was discovered by Professor Ronald Gibbs when he was doing the
research for his booklet "Silver Colloids, Do They Work?"

Gibbs found live bacteria growing on the protein in silver protein
products. That probably should come as no great surprise since protein
actually supports the growth of bacteria and fungus, and is used in
laboratory agar to grow pathogens for in vitro testing. According to
Professor Gibbs, adding protein to silver colloids is potentially unsafe
due to the presence of live bacteria found growing on "mild silver protein"
products.

Normally, it would be impossible for bacteria to live in colloidal silver
because the colloidal silver itself would kill the pathogens, but it is
common in products containing protein because the large protein molecules
encapsulate the silver particles, preventing the silver from reaching the
bacteria to in order to kill it. For this reason, Professor Gibbs
recommended that silver protein products should be avoided. Here is the
quote from Professor Gibbsbook concerning use of protein to stabilize
colloidal silver:

"A fifth sample considered showed fuzzy clusters around silver particles
when viewed in water [Figure 3A]. Because these clusters resembled
bacteria, a special staining technique was utilized to confirm the
impurity. The sample was injected with live cell nucleic acid stain [STYO
13] which is taken up by live bacteria and shows as bright green when
viewed using a 500 nm-long pass emission filter for fluorescence detection.
As suspected, this fuzzy material fluoresced indicating the material was,
indeed, live bacteria growing on the gelatin that had apparently been used
to stabilize the colloidal silver suspension. In Figure 3A the black dots
inside the fuzzy mass are the silver particles. This sample exhibits the
poor quality control that is totally unacceptable in this type of product.
This sample was removed from further consideration and analysis."

If MSP is your "thing", go to a chemical supply house [there are several
online] and buy the powder in bulk, mix with water yourself and save a
pile of cash.

1
<http://www.fishersci.com/wps/portal/PRODUCTDETAIL?prodcutdetail=%27prod%27&productId=647088&catalogId=29104&matchedCatNo=AC419380050&pos=1&catCode=RE_SC&endecaSearchQuery=%23store%3DScientific%23N%3D0%23rpp%3D15&fromCat=yes&keepSessionSearchOutPut=true&fromSearch=Y&searchKey=mild%7C%7Csilver%7C%7Cprotein&highlightProductsItemsFlag=Y>Silver
Proteinate Mild, 19-23% Ag, Acros Organics (1)
9015-51-4 MFCD00132268 Protargol S

Catalog Numbers: Supplier: ACROS Organics

AC41938-0050
419380050

https://www.spectrumchemical.com/OA_HTML/ibeCSrdSrchResults.jsp?cg=-200&kw=mild+silver+protein&minisite=10020&respid=50577&ds=0&dr=30&st=kw&cpg=0&section=18956&searchlov=-1

SI120-25GM Silver Protein, Mild - 25 g EA $79.85

SI120-100GM Silver Protein, Mild - 100 g EA $256.05

While you are there, take a look at "nano-silver powder", a new product for
industry [anti bacterial paint and plastics additives etc ] that well may
be vastly superior to MSP.

SILVER METAL, POWDER, 99.99% pure, -325 mesh, 1 micron average, Ag

SILVER METAL, POWDER, 99.99% pure, -325 mesh, 1 micron average, Ag
http://www.jazdchemicals.com/chemyellowpages/company/NOAH-TECHNOLOGIES-CORPORATION/SILVER-METAL-POWDER-9999-pure-325-mesh-1-micron-average-Ag.htm?supplierId=13653860&productId=13410
Manufacturer NOAH TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION
Part Number 13176

Novax Material & Technology Inc.

Manufacturer of Industrial Material Supply.

Company Introduction

Manufacturer of industrial materials supply, include nano gold catalyst,
nano silver catalyst, minus ion powders, water & oil repellent agents, silk
protein, xylitol, chitosan, capsicum tincture, etc..

Ode

At 01:07 AM 11/11/2009 +0000, you wrote:
>
>
>
>I tried Meso silver ( 1 gallon ) with no results for my condition.
>The brand at www.islandorganicproducts.com is working slowly but surely
>for my condtion, chronic systemic candidiasis. As an added bonus, after 3
>weeks of oral 2,000ppm a light brown liver spot on my forehead the size of
>a nickel that was there for 15 years and surgically removed twice each
>time returning completely vanished. I never applied it topically, just
>took 2 teaspoons each morning.
>
>--- In
><mailto:4COLLOIDALSILVER%40yahoogroups.com>4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com,
>Ode Coyote <odecoyote@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > ..a fairly complete list of commercially available preparations with
> > "competent" lab analysis.
> > This guy has his own sales agenda and "secret process", but he's a good
> > guy none-the-less.
> >
> >
> <http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html#CompTable>http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html#CompTable
> >
> > Ode
> >
> > At 10:18 PM 11/1/2009 +0000, you wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >Is there a recommended product for purchasing already made CS? Am looking
> > >to take it for Crohn's Disease.
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

You cannot go wrong with the Silverpuppy or the Silvergen. They've both been
around a long time and refined for years. I know nothing about the others.. I
applaud your decision to make your own. The benefits are forever multiplying.

Uncleben ..

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, Lydia Flynn <bflynn2@...> wrote:
>
> Hi to all,
>
> I just joined this group because I can't decide which CS generator to
> buy.   I would like a generator that I won't grow out of, I prefer to
> buy a good one so that I don't have to buy another one in 5 years.
> We've been using Mesosilver but it's been a really big expense over
> the years.
>
> I've looked at the Silvergen, Silverpuppy, Silveredge Micro-particle
> unit, and the Biophysica 1metal generator.
>
> They all say that they're the best with smallest particle size and
> best absorbtion and stable and so on.
>
> Is there anyone out there that can shed some light on the good or bad
> of these units?
>
> Thanks and best regards,
>
> Lydia
>
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2009, at 5:38 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > PPM to PPM, it is said that MSP is 1/50th as effective as ionic silver
> > due to most of the silver surface area being unavailable due to the
> > protein
> > covering that keeps it suspended in water.
> >
> > While it may be true that a teaspoon might not be enough, it is so
> > cheap
> > to make that a quart of ionic silver costs nearly nothing and at
> > least a
> > portion of it is colloidal.
> >
> > Ionic silver will sterilize toilet bowl water at as little as 3
> > parts per
> > billion. [Brigham Young University study].
> > 3 parts per million just does it faster
> >
> > Meso Silver, some swear by it some swear at it... I suppose a lot
> > has to do
> > with how and how much.
> >
> > Bottom line....do what works.
> >
> > But, you "can" get into some trouble at 500+ PPM, so use that MSP
> > stuff
> > sparingly. [Saving grace...most people can't afford to go overboard
> > with
> > the reselling price so high]
> >
> > general overview:
> >
> > In addition, silver protein products generate other risks because
> > of the
> > protein medium. Commonly used gelatin protein is an animal product
> > obtained
> > by boiling the skin, tendons, and ligaments of animals. As a
> > result, it
> > contains protein, collagen (a primary component of joints,
> > cartilage, and
> > nails), and various amino acids. Gelatin is widely known by the
> > trade name
> > Knox Gelatin. Gelatin is water soluble and will remain in liquid form
> > provided a sufficient amount of water is present. Other protein
> > polymers
> > such as casein, which is derived from dairy products, behaves the
> > same as
> > gelatin when combined with silver particles in a silver protein
> > product.
> >
> > When used as a suspension medium for silver particles, the protein
> > polymer
> > molecules encapsulate the silver particles so that the silver
> > cannot kill
> > pathogens that may grow on the outside surface of the protein
> > sheath. This
> > fact was discovered by Professor Ronald Gibbs when he was doing the
> > research for his booklet "Silver Colloids, Do They Work?"
> >
> > Gibbs found live bacteria growing on the protein in silver protein
> > products. That probably should come as no great surprise since protein
> > actually supports the growth of bacteria and fungus, and is used in
> > laboratory agar to grow pathogens for in vitro testing. According to
> > Professor Gibbs, adding protein to silver colloids is potentially
> > unsafe
> > due to the presence of live bacteria found growing on "mild silver
> > protein"
> > products.
> >
> > Normally, it would be impossible for bacteria to live in colloidal
> > silver
> > because the colloidal silver itself would kill the pathogens, but
> > it is
> > common in products containing protein because the large protein
> > molecules
> > encapsulate the silver particles, preventing the silver from
> > reaching the
> > bacteria to in order to kill it. For this reason, Professor Gibbs
> > recommended that silver protein products should be avoided. Here is
> > the
> > quote from Professor Gibbsbook concerning use of protein to stabilize
> > colloidal silver:
> >
> > "A fifth sample considered showed fuzzy clusters around silver
> > particles
> > when viewed in water [Figure 3A]. Because these clusters resembled
> > bacteria, a special staining technique was utilized to confirm the
> > impurity. The sample was injected with live cell nucleic acid stain
> > [STYO
> > 13] which is taken up by live bacteria and shows as bright green when
> > viewed using a 500 nm-long pass emission filter for fluorescence
> > detection.
> > As suspected, this fuzzy material fluoresced indicating the
> > material was,
> > indeed, live bacteria growing on the gelatin that had apparently
> > been used
> > to stabilize the colloidal silver suspension. In Figure 3A the
> > black dots
> > inside the fuzzy mass are the silver particles. This sample
> > exhibits the
> > poor quality control that is totally unacceptable in this type of
> > product.
> > This sample was removed from further consideration and analysis."
> >
> > If MSP is your "thing", go to a chemical supply house [there are
> > several
> > online] and buy the powder in bulk, mix with water yourself and save a
> > pile of cash.
> >
> > 1
> > <http://www.fishersci.com/wps/portal/PRODUCTDETAIL?prodcutdetail=%
> > 27prod%
> > 27&productId=647088&catalogId=29104&matchedCatNo=AC419380050&pos=1&cat
> > Code=RE_SC&endecaSearchQuery=%23store%3DScientific%23N%3D0%23rpp%
> > 3D15&fromCat=yes&keepSessionSearchOutPut=true&fromSearch=Y&searchKey=m
> > ild%7C%7Csilver%7C%7Cprotein&highlightProductsItemsFlag=Y>Silver
> > Proteinate Mild, 19-23% Ag, Acros Organics (1)
> > 9015-51-4 MFCD00132268 Protargol S
> >
> > Catalog Numbers: Supplier: ACROS Organics
> >
> > AC41938-0050
> > 419380050
> >
> > https://www.spectrumchemical.com/OA_HTML/ibeCSrdSrchResults.jsp?
> > cg=-200&kw=mild+silver
> > +protein&minisite=10020&respid=50577&ds=0&dr=30&st=kw&cpg=0&section=18
> > 956&searchlov=-1
> >
> > SI120-25GM Silver Protein, Mild - 25 g EA $79.85
> >
> > SI120-100GM Silver Protein, Mild - 100 g EA $256.05
> >
> > While you are there, take a look at "nano-silver powder", a new
> > product for
> > industry [anti bacterial paint and plastics additives etc ] that
> > well may
> > be vastly superior to MSP.
> >
> > SILVER METAL, POWDER, 99.99% pure, -325 mesh, 1 micron average, Ag
> >
> > SILVER METAL, POWDER, 99.99% pure, -325 mesh, 1 micron average, Ag
> > http://www.jazdchemicals.com/chemyellowpages/company/NOAH-
> > TECHNOLOGIES-CORPORATION/SILVER-METAL-POWDER-9999-pure-325-mesh-1-
> > micron-average-Ag.htm?supplierId=13653860&productId=13410
> > Manufacturer NOAH TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION
> > Part Number 13176
> >
> > Novax Material & Technology Inc.
> >
> > Manufacturer of Industrial Material Supply.
> >
> > Company Introduction
> >
> > Manufacturer of industrial materials supply, include nano gold
> > catalyst,
> > nano silver catalyst, minus ion powders, water & oil repellent
> > agents, silk
> > protein, xylitol, chitosan, capsicum tincture, etc..
> >
> > Ode
> >
> > At 01:07 AM 11/11/2009 +0000, you wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I tried Meso silver ( 1 gallon ) with no results for my condition.
> > >The brand at www.islandorganicproducts.com is working slowly but
> > surely
> > >for my condtion, chronic systemic candidiasis. As an added bonus,
> > after 3
> > >weeks of oral 2,000ppm a light brown liver spot on my forehead the
> > size of
> > >a nickel that was there for 15 years and surgically removed twice
> > each
> > >time returning completely vanished. I never applied it topically,
> > just
> > >took 2 teaspoons each morning.
> > >
> > >--- In
> > ><mailto:4COLLOIDALSILVER%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com,
> > >Ode Coyote <odecoyote@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ..a fairly complete list of commercially available preparations
> > with
> > > > "competent" lab analysis.
> > > > This guy has his own sales agenda and "secret process", but
> > he's a good
> > > > guy none-the-less.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > <http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/
> > reports.html#CompTable>http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/
> > reports.html#CompTable
> > > >
> > > > Ode
> > > >
> > > > At 10:18 PM 11/1/2009 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Is there a recommended product for purchasing already made CS?
> > Am looking
> > > > >to take it for Crohn's Disease.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "keycross" <crossshapedkeys@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Read about mild silver protein at www.islandorganicproducts.com

For the record, "keycross" identified himself on the coconut oil list as:

Robert Steiner
CEO
www.islandorganicproducts.com

PPM to PPM, it is said that MSP is 1/50th as effective as ionic silver
due to most of the silver surface area being unavailable due to the protein
covering that keeps it suspended in water.

   While it may be true that a teaspoon might not be enough, it is so cheap
to make that a quart of ionic silver costs nearly nothing and at least a
portion of it is colloidal.

   Ionic silver will sterilize toilet bowl water at as little as 3 parts per
billion. [Brigham Young University study].
3 parts per million just does it faster

Meso Silver, some swear by it some swear at it... I suppose a lot has to do
with how and how much.

   Bottom line....do what works.

But, you "can" get into some trouble at 500+ PPM, so use that MSP stuff
sparingly. [Saving grace...most people can't afford to go overboard with
the reselling price so high]

general overview:

In addition, silver protein products generate other risks because of the
protein medium. Commonly used gelatin protein is an animal product obtained
by boiling the skin, tendons, and ligaments of animals. As a result, it
contains protein, collagen (a primary component of joints, cartilage, and
nails), and various amino acids. Gelatin is widely known by the trade name
Knox Gelatin. Gelatin is water soluble and will remain in liquid form
provided a sufficient amount of water is present. Other protein polymers
such as casein, which is derived from dairy products, behaves the same as
gelatin when combined with silver particles in a silver protein product.

When used as a suspension medium for silver particles, the protein polymer
molecules encapsulate the silver particles so that the silver cannot kill
pathogens that may grow on the outside surface of the protein sheath. This
fact was discovered by Professor Ronald Gibbs when he was doing the
research for his booklet "Silver Colloids, Do They Work?"

Gibbs found live bacteria growing on the protein in silver protein
products. That probably should come as no great surprise since protein
actually supports the growth of bacteria and fungus, and is used in
laboratory agar to grow pathogens for in vitro testing. According to
Professor Gibbs, adding protein to silver colloids is potentially unsafe
due to the presence of live bacteria found growing on "mild silver protein"
products.

Normally, it would be impossible for bacteria to live in colloidal silver
because the colloidal silver itself would kill the pathogens, but it is
common in products containing protein because the large protein molecules
encapsulate the silver particles, preventing the silver from reaching the
bacteria to in order to kill it. For this reason, Professor Gibbs
recommended that silver protein products should be avoided. Here is the
quote from Professor Gibbsbook concerning use of protein to stabilize
colloidal silver:

"A fifth sample considered showed fuzzy clusters around silver particles
when viewed in water [Figure 3A]. Because these clusters resembled
bacteria, a special staining technique was utilized to confirm the
impurity. The sample was injected with live cell nucleic acid stain [STYO
13] which is taken up by live bacteria and shows as bright green when
viewed using a 500 nm-long pass emission filter for fluorescence detection.
As suspected, this fuzzy material fluoresced indicating the material was,
indeed, live bacteria growing on the gelatin that had apparently been used
to stabilize the colloidal silver suspension. In Figure 3A the black dots
inside the fuzzy mass are the silver particles. This sample exhibits the
poor quality control that is totally unacceptable in this type of product.
This sample was removed from further consideration and analysis."


If MSP is your "thing", go to a chemical supply house [there are several
online]  and buy the powder in bulk, mix with water yourself and save a
pile of cash.


1
<http://www.fishersci.com/wps/portal/PRODUCTDETAIL?prodcutdetail=%27prod%27&prod\
uctId=647088&catalogId=29104&matchedCatNo=AC419380050&pos=1&catCode=RE_SC&endeca\
SearchQuery=%23store%3DScientific%23N%3D0%23rpp%3D15&fromCat=yes&keepSessionSear\
chOutPut=true&fromSearch=Y&searchKey=mild%7C%7Csilver%7C%7Cprotein&highlightProd\
uctsItemsFlag=Y>Silver
Proteinate Mild, 19-23% Ag, Acros Organics (1)
    9015-51-4 MFCD00132268 Protargol S

    Catalog Numbers: Supplier: ACROS Organics

AC41938-0050
419380050

https://www.spectrumchemical.com/OA_HTML/ibeCSrdSrchResults.jsp?cg=-200&kw=mild+\
silver+protein&minisite=10020&respid=50577&ds=0&dr=30&st=kw&cpg=0&section=18956&\
searchlov=-1


SI120-25GM Silver Protein, Mild - 25 g EA $79.85

SI120-100GM Silver Protein, Mild - 100 g EA $256.05


While you are there, take a look at "nano-silver powder", a new product for
industry [anti bacterial paint and plastics additives etc ] that well may
be vastly superior to MSP.


SILVER METAL, POWDER, 99.99% pure, -325 mesh, 1 micron average, Ag

SILVER METAL, POWDER, 99.99% pure, -325 mesh, 1 micron average, Ag
http://www.jazdchemicals.com/chemyellowpages/company/NOAH-TECHNOLOGIES-CORPORATI\
ON/SILVER-METAL-POWDER-9999-pure-325-mesh-1-micron-average-Ag.htm?supplierId=136\
53860&productId=13410
Manufacturer NOAH TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION
Part Number 13176



Novax Material & Technology Inc.

Manufacturer of Industrial Material Supply.


Company Introduction

Manufacturer of industrial materials supply, include nano gold catalyst,
nano silver catalyst, minus ion powders, water & oil repellent agents, silk
protein, xylitol, chitosan, capsicum tincture, etc..

Ode

At 01:07 AM 11/11/2009 +0000, you wrote:
>
>
>
>I tried Meso silver ( 1 gallon ) with no results for my condition.
>The brand at www.islandorganicproducts.com is working slowly but surely
>for my condtion, chronic systemic candidiasis. As an added bonus, after 3
>weeks of oral 2,000ppm a light brown liver spot on my forehead the size of
>a nickel that was there for 15 years and surgically removed twice each
>time returning completely vanished. I never applied it topically, just
>took 2 teaspoons each morning.
>
>--- In
><mailto:4COLLOIDALSILVER%40yahoogroups.com>4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com,
>Ode Coyote <odecoyote@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > ..a fairly complete list of commercially available preparations with
> > "competent" lab analysis.
> > This guy has his own sales agenda and "secret process", but he's a good
> > guy none-the-less.
> >
> >
>
<http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html#CompTable>http://www.silver\
-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html#CompTable
> >
> > Ode
> >
> > At 10:18 PM 11/1/2009 +0000, you wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >Is there a recommended product for purchasing already made CS? Am looking
> > >to take it for Crohn's Disease.
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

Read about mild silver protein at www.islandorganicproducts.com
I take the 2,000ppm and 5,000ppm for chronic systemic candidiasis.

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "sjgramenz" <gramenz0919@...> wrote:
>
> Is there a recommended product for purchasing already made CS?  Am looking to
take it for Crohn's Disease.
>

I tried Meso silver ( 1 gallon ) with no results for my condition.
The brand at www.islandorganicproducts.com is working slowly but surely for my
condtion, chronic systemic candidiasis. As an added bonus, after 3 weeks of oral
2,000ppm a light brown liver spot on my forehead the size of a nickel that was
there for 15 years and surgically removed twice each time returning completely
vanished.  I never applied it topically, just took 2 teaspoons each morning.


--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, Ode Coyote <odecoyote@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>    ..a fairly complete list of commercially available preparations with
> "competent" lab analysis.
>   This guy has his own sales agenda and "secret process", but he's a good
> guy none-the-less.
>
>   http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html#CompTable
>
> Ode
>
> At 10:18 PM 11/1/2009 +0000, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >Is there a recommended product for purchasing already made CS? Am looking
> >to take it for Crohn's Disease.
> >
> >
>