My machine alternates polarity every few seconds, which eliminates
build-up on the electrodes.

-- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Ann"
<saffireskyes@...> wrote:
>
> >When running DC, one electrode gathers a fuzzy thickish black
deposit
> >that>peroxide instantly dissolves and wipes off black.
>
> If let dry, it turns greyish and wipes slightly silver and black.
> If that electrode is very close to the bottom, it deposits a hard
> black spot that peroxide doesn't touch that's similar to the
deposit
> that peroxide re-deposits on that electrode if it's left in
Peroxide
> and doesn't change with air exposure.
> Running between 32 and 6 volts up to 19-20 uS allows the fuzzy
black
> deposit to get thick enough over time to want to wipe off now and
then
> towards the end...especially when making big batches.

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wrote:
>
>
>
> Nothing I have read would red flag giving kids
> CS, ditto for pacemakers. We all take it here, from
> great grandparents with artificial heart valves to
> grandkids (the youngest is four).Good luck.
> Uncleben ..
>

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My machine alternates polarity every few seconds, which eliminates
build-up on the electrodes.



-- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Ann"
<saffireskyes@...> wrote:
>
> >When running DC, one electrode gathers a fuzzy thickish black
deposit
> >that>peroxide instantly dissolves and wipes off black.
>
> If let dry, it turns greyish and wipes slightly silver and black.
> If that electrode is very close to the bottom, it deposits a hard
> black spot that peroxide doesn't touch that's similar to the
deposit
> that peroxide re-deposits on that electrode if it's left in
Peroxide
> and doesn't change with air exposure.
> Running between 32 and 6 volts up to 19-20 uS allows the fuzzy
black
> deposit to get thick enough over time to want to wipe off now and
then
> towards the end...especially when making big batches.
> 6 volts across the electrodes is plenty to produce oxygen on the
same
> electrode that emits silver ions, but no oxygen bubbles can be
seen.
>
> It doesn't turn black till later in the process indicating to me
that
> the silver oxide is soluble in water until the water reaches a
certain
> concentration.
>
> Since a black spot will deposit at that location and it isn't
soluble
> in water [or peroxide], that tells me the oxide shifted forms
somehow
> at that interface.
> Silver Oxide III Ag2O3 could be going to Ag2O..or something like
that?
> [I don't "know" what's happening, just that something does. It
seems
> like adding one oxygen atom to Ag2O3 with Peroxide would yield pure
> metallic silver and there is a form of silver oxide also named
silver
> peroxide]
>
> Just beyond that black spot deposited on glass if the electrodes
are
> too close can be seen a silver plate-out which says that ions have
> picked up an electron from the glass. [or the oxide gave one to the
> ion? ..or...]
> If the silver ions can pick up an electron, so can an unstable
silver
> oxide...but it may have given electrons to the ions at a capacitive
> interface.
> I know glass is an insulator, but so is the polymer layer in a
capacitor.
> If the current is high enough, you can see dark particles striking
the
> glass. I don't think that lowering the current eliminates them,
just
> makes so few that they are invisible and well diffused...or the
> concentration isn't so high in that localized spot that they are
> dissolved. [I need to leave the black electrode in distilled water
to
> see if the black eventually dissolves in water as well as in
peroxide,
> even if a lot slower.]
>
> www.avxcorp. com/docs/ techinfo/ pcglass.pdf
> The construction of Glass capacitors is straightforward. ... Glass
> capacitors exhibit excellent stability characteristics ...
>
> Where could electrons come from?
> http://acept. la.asu.edu/ PiN/rdg/photon/ photon.shtml
> shows how when a photon is absorbed by a metal, it converts to an
> electron. Glass is silicon [as are solar cells] and often contains
> traces of metals to enhance certain qualities of glass. Solar cells
> use a metallic doping on the silicon. Glass wouldn't make a "good"
> solar cell any more than a chunk of copper would but a bad one
would
> do. It does apparently make a great capacitor under the right
> conditions. Also, electromagnetic radiation is everywhere and
> inductance is a fact of life.
>
> On the other side of the silver plate-out, is a white Silver
Hydroxide
> spot under that electrode and a white streamer of particles.
> Since silver hydroxide isn't very soluble at all, turning the
current
> down doesn't eliminate that streamer from view.
>
> Now, if the electrodes are far enough away to prevent the deposits
on
> the glass, or stirring is being used, everything still happens but
in
> other places.
> Metallic silver gets caught in the surface tension of Hydrogen
bubbles
> forming a hardened structured bubble with a semiconductive surface
> that will grow more Hydrogen bubbles. Eventually you get a grey
beard
> that will transfer silver to the surface tension of the water when
the
> electrode is withdrawn too fast. Water pressure tends to increase
the
> surface tension of those bubbles and their adhesion properties. If
the
> stir rate is too high, a very thick beard of silver coated hydrogen
> bubbles can be seen to grow into the direction of the water flow
stuck
> to the electrode. It can get so heavy as to fall off and sink. If
left
> alone, most of the silver escapes into the water as a white mist as
> the bubble dissolves. This bubble structure smears shiny silver.
> Conclusion: Metallic silver is being made, possibly from
interfacing
> with the glass. It's not ALL metallic silver.
>
> Crank up the current and you can see golden particles disburse into
> the water...even more current...black particles.
> Even more current, you get black particles. Even higher, gas
emulsions
> that settle into layers ranging from brown to jet black that later
> mostly settle out.
>
> Now, I know that the current *can't* be cranked up without the
> conductivity to carry it, along with higher concentrations of
> dissolved 'stuff' dropping precipitates at some point, or higher
voltages.
> Getting a handle on current and voltage and using stirring [at the
> right speed] helps immeasurably to keep concentration zones and
such
> in check and appears to favor some reactions over others, but I'll
not
> presume that the others are eliminated.
>
> Whassup? Hey, you tell me!
> But it's pretty obvious that many things are going on beyond a
simple
> Hydroxide, Hydrogen and Ion process...along with that process.
> And 6 volts at a one milliamp draw [across the electrodes read by
> voltmeter, regardless of what some other measurement might be] in
20
> uS water is plenty to make it happen on a limited scale at limited
rates.
>
> 1.2 volts won't pull a milliamp until the conductivity is very
high. [
> I know, that's not 1.2 volts "across" the electrodes but something
> else. I'll study on that but it'll take a while. ]
>
> Further: Hydrogen peroxide displays varied reactions on EIS at
> different times as it, as well, displays different reactions on
> various silver oxides [or whatever that black/brown/ golden stuff
is ]
> in different places.
> Reason says there's a connection there with unstable compounds
formed,
> stabilizing over periods of time with various chemical and
electrical
> influences and re-formed.
> Harvard is saying that glass is a crystal nucleation site.
> Micrographs show how Peroxide breaks yellow particles apart.
> Peroxide clears the yellow out.
> If left alone, all of the yellow in yellow EIS will stick to the
glass
> leaving the water colorless... and peroxide instantly dissolves
that
> yellow deposit.
> Peroxide dissolves some forms of silver oxides but not others.
[Cleans
> up a black electrode quite fast, but later turns it black again
with
> an oxide form it won't touch...presuming. .. that the black on a
> silver electrode is a silver oxide]
> A nucleated crystal has fracture planes.
> Glass can make a good capacitor... possibly a bad solar cell.
> Electromagnetic induction happens.
>
> connections?
>
> I ran a generator with Hydrogen Peroxide in the water at 1 mA for 3
> days maxing out at 13 uS and made big shiny silver flakes and not
much
> else...but, after a long time, the water turned yellow and dropped
> black balls of 'something' to the bottom.
> I'd "say" [true or not] that silver oxides and suspended nucleated
> crystals formed around stable silver oxide particles vs the more
usual
> unstable oxide nucleation. [That batch sat on a sunny window sill
in a
> glass jar for several months first.. I dunno if that played a
role. I
> didn't leave any in total darkness ....or in a Faraday cage. I just
> sat it there because it was pretty to look at in the sunshine. ]
>
> Sometimes a batch will reflect room colors, particularly yellow
and ,
> less so, green. When moved away from those colors, the color
vanishes.
> *Per*-something at play making TINY shiny metallic silver flakes
that
> don't settle? [Like silver peroxide or monatomic oxygen or
> transitional hydrogen peroxide???? ] I dunno.
>
> At any rate, the cathode might not be the ONLY source of electrons
and
> many layers of processes might be going on along with the
> hydroxide/hydrogen/ ion process even at a mere 1 milliamp and
pretty
> low current density.
>
> ..it sure looks that way, that's all I know.
> I'm only guessing at "what".
>
> OK, now let's swap the polarity every now and then and play
frequency
> games. [YAHHHH !!!! ]
>
> Gotta see what running at under 1.2 volts across the electrodes
> does...any other voltage measurement method would have to be less
than
> that.
>
> I'll bet it's WAY SLOW, if anything happens at all. [Oh... review
> Mikes data and pay more attention? ]
>
> BTW Several months ago I wrapped a length of aluminum welding wire
up
> with a length of silver wire on one end, that end out of the water
and
> left the free ends in distilled water for several days spaced at
about
> a half inch.
> Conductivity did go up... some.
> But the water wasn't absolutely pure to start with and how much of
> that rise had to do with carbon dioxide absorption, I don't know.
> The silver didn't get black.
>
> Ode
>
> >What oxides do you think are present, and how did they get there?
> >
> >Mike M
> >
> >
>

With the Staph going around, my Niece gives her kids 1 oz. daily, -no
problems.


-- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "wvrdream" <nikkicowan@...>
wrote:
>
>
>
> Nothing I have read would red flag giving kids
> CS, ditto for pacemakers. We all take it here, from
> great grandparents with artificial heart valves to
> grandkids (the youngest is four).Good luck.
> Uncleben ..
>

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High ppm CS can and does cause argyria. But it depends what you mean by
'high' and what you call 'colloidal silver'.  A glass of grey/black junk made
with
tap water could have a ppm in the 1000's.  I wouldn't touch it,  but some
Illinformed people have drunk gallons of it and given themselves argyria. Like
it or not, it is still called 'colloidal silver'. But to me 'high ppm CS' is
about 20
ppm made with distilled water.  As long as its nice and clear you can drink as
much as you like without fear.

Its pointless arguing about Bonaid. Elder believes that water has a
'holographic memory'... a lovely idea, but completely imaginary, unproven
and unmeasurable. Most of the key points in the Bonaid sales pitch are
factually wrong. The rest are just wishful thinking.

David



--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "Nikki Cowan" <
nikkicowan@...> wrote:
>
> No, Elder, it is not personal, it is just a matter of the veracity of the
> claims you are making.   Why do you think that  EIS at any ppm would turn
> you grey?  There has been no cases of it to my knowledge.   What do you
mean
> by  taking risks?  Are you referring to EIS here?  What would be the later
> payment.? This is an excellent venue to discuss your product as it is
> peopled by members who have a great knowledge of the silver process.  If
> yours is a good thing, we want to know more about it and the process.
When
> you make statements in a general list about EIS requiring high ppm to be
> effective (it does not) or make references to Arygeria it is doing a
> disservice to people because these are not the facts and it might turn
> people away from a great health benefit at an affordable price.  I am not
> saying your product is snake oil, I just would like to know more about it
> and to know what you reference you statements about EIS from.
>
>
>
> Nikki
>
>
>
>
>
> Nikki,
>
>
>
> Is there a personal thing going on here?Are you intentionally missing the
> difference in the terms being used, or is it just hasty mistakes? Your
> having invited me here to this group almost seems like an ambush. But I'm
> not offended or afraid, being armed with the truth. I just don't have time
> to waste trying to convince others the truth of what I said and for
> nonsense.
>
>
>
> I never said, as you said I said, that EIS makes you turn grey (look at the
> recent messages where you're discussing me negatively).
>
>
>
> I never said CS turns one grey. I said HIGH PPM will turn one grey, and
that
> presupposed usage over a length of time.
>
>
>
> And finally, when it comes to health and prevention, you get what you pay
> for. You are welcome to take all the risks that you please, and save a few
> bucks for awhile (one eventually pays later). When it comes to my life and
> my counsel to others, I will tell them the facts and my experience, and they
> can decide for themselves.
>
>
>
> Have fun!
>
> Elder
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Nikki <mailto:nikkicowan@...>  Cowan
>
> To: 4COLLOIDALSILVER@ <
mailto:4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com
>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:06 PM
>
> Subject: RE: [4COLLOIDALSILVER] Re: Bionaid
>
>
>
> Hi Elder,
>
> Here is the post where you mentioned CS turning you grey:  And if it is
> costing more than about eighty cents a gallon it sure is taking away from
my
> pocketbook.
>
> Have a happy one.
>
> Nikki
>
> Thanks Nikki,
>
> I hope its OK to state that Divine Intervention has stepped in regarding
> silver solutions. Some truely un-ashamed people have been providing 2
> products for awhile now...The Water and BIONAID. BIONAID is the silver
> product, but its not "colloidal". Colloidal silver must be used at very high
> ppm to have sufficient effect. BIONAID does not, as it is a covalently
> bonded particle that has an indefinate shelf-life, and never goes bad or
> loses strength. The valence energy of the silver particle is transmitted
> through millions of bonded oxygen atoms and their electrons - that's the
> key. No need for high ppm silver anymore, and turning grey.
>
> Now, the virtual photon laser technology of The Water has been combined
with
> the 20 year-old BIONAID technology. The super-concentrated substrate
(used
> to make The Water concentrate) is put into the reactor that makes
BIONAID.
> The first test was very amazing - the measuring apparatus on the reactor
> showed a stable and steady reaction never seen before in 20 years of
making
> the bionic particle silver solution. The BIONAID's effectiveness has been
> increased by 10,000%!
>
> Now, I'm happy to announce that we have the best water in the world, and
its
> a concentrate that you can add to water that changes the holographic
memory
> of the water (great for adding to wild-water when camping or to turn malaria
> infested water into drinkable water in 10 minutes). We have a super
> hydrating water with an indefinate shelf-life and no concerns about
> spoilage, and its also an antibiotic. It kills strep, malaria and all
> gram-negative, anerobic mirco-organisms.
>
>
>
>   _____
>
>
> I need to address comments below. I don't believe EIS will turn one
> grey, and never said it would.
>
> I do not get a fattened wallet from making BIONAID available to others,
> as I barely break even from my endeavor. Alot goes into making BIONAID.
> The reactor is not cheap. But considering the superior quality of the
> product and peace of mind it brings me about addressing the worst case
> scenarios with weaponized pathogens, I feel very good to be the guy
> that has brought the new BIONAID to the world. So, the "fattened
> wallet" comment was spurious at best, and stated without proper
> investigation. Nikki, it is not wise to judge a matter before you
> investigate it. I'm not offended in the least though.
>
> Have fun!
> Elder
> 706 937 7379
> elder7@rangeguide. <mailto:elder7%40rangeguide.net> net
>
> --- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@ <
mailto:4COLLOIDALSILVER%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com, "Nikki Cowan" <nikkicowan@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I would like to hear perhaps David's input-and any others-on this
> > stuff. I am just sticking to the EIS myself. Works great and
> enriches ME
> > as opposed to making me dependent on fattening someone else's
> pocketbook.
> > Besides, this guy believes that the only way EIS can do any good is
> at very
> > high ppm and he also believes that it will turn you grey, so I am
> pretty
> > sure that his science isn't all that, either.
> >
> >
> >
> > Nikki
>
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: Nikki Cowan

To: 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:06 PM

Subject: RE: [4COLLOIDALSILVER] Re: Bionaid

Hi Elder,

Here is the post where you mentioned CS turning you grey:  And if it is costing more than about eighty cents a gallon it sure is taking away from my pocketbook.

Have a happy one.

Nikki

Thanks Nikki,

I hope its OK to state that Divine Intervention has stepped in regarding silver solutions. Some truely un-ashamed people have been providing 2 products for awhile now...The Water and BIONAID. BIONAID is the silver product, but its not "colloidal". Colloidal silver must be used at very high ppm to have sufficient effect. BIONAID does not, as it is a covalently bonded particle that has an indefinate shelf-life, and never goes bad or loses strength. The valence energy of the silver particle is transmitted through millions of bonded oxygen atoms and their electrons - that's the key. No need for high ppm silver anymore, and turning grey.

Now, the virtual photon laser technology of The Water has been combined with the 20 year-old BIONAID technology. The super-concentrated substrate (used to make The Water concentrate) is put into the reactor that makes BIONAID. The first test was very amazing - the measuring apparatus on the reactor showed a stable and steady reaction never seen before in 20 years of making the bionic particle silver solution. The BIONAID's effectiveness has been increased by 10,000%!

Now, I'm happy to announce that we have the best water in the world, and its a concentrate that you can add to water that changes the holographic memory of the water (great for adding to wild-water when camping or to turn malaria infested water into drinkable water in 10 minutes). We have a super hydrating water with an indefinate shelf-life and no concerns about spoilage, and its also an antibiotic. It kills strep, malaria and all gram-negative, anerobic mirco-organisms.

---

I need to address comments below. I don't believe EIS will turn one
grey, and never said it would.

I do not get a fattened wallet from making BIONAID available to others,
as I barely break even from my endeavor. Alot goes into making BIONAID.
The reactor is not cheap. But considering the superior quality of the
product and peace of mind it brings me about addressing the worst case
scenarios with weaponized pathogens, I feel very good to be the guy
that has brought the new BIONAID to the world. So, the "fattened
wallet" comment was spurious at best, and stated without proper
investigation. Nikki, it is not wise to judge a matter before you
investigate it. I'm not offended in the least though.

Have fun!
Elder
706 937 7379
elder7@rangeguide.net

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "Nikki Cowan" <nikkicowan@...>
wrote:
>
> Yes, I would like to hear perhaps David's input-and any others-on this
> stuff. I am just sticking to the EIS myself. Works great and
enriches ME
> as opposed to making me dependent on fattening someone else's
pocketbook.
> Besides, this guy believes that the only way EIS can do any good is
at very
> high ppm and he also believes that it will turn you grey, so I am
pretty
> sure that his science isn't all that, either.
>
>
>
> Nikki

---

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I need to address comments below. I don't believe EIS will turn one
grey, and never said it would.

I do not get a fattened wallet from making BIONAID available to others,
as I barely break even from my endeavor. Alot goes into making BIONAID.
The reactor is not cheap. But considering the superior quality of the
product and peace of mind it brings me about addressing the worst case
scenarios with weaponized pathogens, I feel very good to be the guy
that has brought the new BIONAID to the world. So, the "fattened
wallet" comment was spurious at best, and stated without proper
investigation. Nikki, it is not wise to judge a matter before you
investigate it. I'm not offended in the least though.

Have fun!
Elder
706 937 7379
elder7@...


--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "Nikki Cowan" <nikkicowan@...>
wrote:
>
> Yes, I would like to hear perhaps David's input-and any others-on this
> stuff.  I am just sticking to the EIS myself.  Works great and
enriches ME
> as opposed to making me dependent on fattening someone else's
pocketbook.
> Besides, this guy believes that the only way EIS can do any good is
at very
> high ppm and he also believes that it will turn you grey, so I am
pretty
> sure that his science isn't all that, either.
>
>
>
> Nikki

Yes, I have more information on this. : )

I got involved with a great fellow 2 years ago that told me about
this product. Having been into specialty water research for many
years, the first thing I thought to do was to see how I could improve
it. I accomplished my goal. It is now 10,000% more effective than
when it was tested years ago around the world with fantastic results.

The plain facts about silver colloids speak for themselves. A silver
colloid alone can only do just so much, and though I've been into
colloidal silver for years, I knew something had to be done to
improve upon the solution. Well, I found out that someone already
did, and then I improved upon that. The result is BIONAID.

The BIONAID particle is what separates it from all the rest. A person
MAY get close to matching it with simple colloidal silver if they
could consume a 55 gallon drum of colloidal silver water a day, but
that is not a good idea. As stated, one particle does the work of
millions of colloidal silver particles. The size of the BIONAID is so
small that it cannot be assayed, and one has to use a special
microscope to see it. It looks like a raspberry with tiny particles
flying about in near orbit.

Add to this the technology of The Water (Dan Nelson). The Water is
the only known water that penetrates plant cells in 10 seconds and
thoroughly hydrates in 30 seconds. Tests have been done on dehydrated
meats as well. The photon laser technology and frequencies are used
to create a particle that penetrates the aquaporon with ease, and
hydrates the cells. Even the best bottled water products fail to
accomplish this effectively. Now The Water has an antibiotic and has
been combined under the BIONAID branding.

These two technologies have been combined in the new BIONAID. Now we
have a cellular hydrating water that is also an antibiotic, and the
water never goes bad in containers. It will kill malaria. It will
kill the new "SUPERBUG".

I learned that typical colloidal silver was not near as effective,
and that for it to be more effective the ppm had to go up or
consumption of colloidal silver water solutions would have to be
extremely high to get moderate results with the toughest issues.
BIONAID does not require high ppm silver or high amounts of water
(water that irrigates, not hydrates the body, especially the cell
aquaporon)to get fantastic results. BIONAID mixed with a gallon of
water (2-4 ounces per gallon) is the mix, and one only need drink 8-
12 ounces a day.

Being a mountain guide, I have looked for the best of the best to
recommend to other guides and to my friends. My life depends on being
properly equipped. I now have no concerns for dangerous microbes in
wild water when I'm thirsty. I'm no longer concerned about
the "SUPERBUG" or West Nile, Bird Flu, HIV, malaria, spores, fungus,
bacterias and other such gram-negative anerobic microbes that cause
illness. My animals never get sick. Even race horses are given
BIONAID. Its well worth $20 a bottle (for members), and a whole shelf
of colloidal silver cannot touch that one bottle regarging efficacy.

Its my choice for wanting the best with BIONAID, yet I still support
home-made colloidal silver simply because it is home-made. But I have
to say that I rest easier knowing that some BIONAID is sitting in the
kitchen, living in a world where weaponized viruses and bacterias are
on the rise (and euthanasia is on the minds of the elites seeking
depopulation). Better safe than sorry, in my book, and that is why I
also have MMS.

As a service to others kind of guy, I make it available to supporters
at wholesale. http://www.freewaves.tv http://www.rangeguide.net

Happy silver-making and be well, friends.

Love,
Elder


--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "Nikki Cowan"
<nikkicowan@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, I would like to hear perhaps David's input-and any others-on
this
> stuff.  I am just sticking to the EIS myself.  Works great and
enriches ME
> as opposed to making me dependent on fattening someone else's
pocketbook.
> Besides, this guy believes that the only way EIS can do any good is
at very
> high ppm and he also believes that it will turn you grey, so I am
pretty
> sure that his science isn't all that, either.
>
>
>
> Nikki
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.rangegui <http://www.rangeguide.net/bionaid.htm>
> de.net/bionaid.htm
>
> Anyone have more information on this?
>
> Now cost wise it is horrid IMO as EIS Colloidal Silver is way
better and you
> can make it your self.
>
> Louise
>
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>
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more useful this way. blessings, deb

Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:25:34 -0000
Subject: [Colloidal Silver] Re: MRSA

Kathryn

The research I have done on CS has been extensive, and everything I
found was on the Internet regarding BYU and UC Davis, but the most
help I have had has been from the wonderful people here and on
another CS website over the years.

I came here in an urgent situation when a doctor accused me of
overdosing my mother with silver, because he did a silver count
randomly just trying to prove me wrong, and it came out rather high,
so overnight I posted my dilemma here, and within hours a doctor with
UC Davis responded to my plea's to warn me it wasn't the silver from
CS causing my mothers problem but a liver failure was happening from
her chemical imbalance caused by her dialysis for some reason, and
she needed immediate gamma globulin to reverse it, which I promptly
took to the hospital and she was given the shot and pulled right out
of the problem.

All these issues my mother faced came from a registry nurse giving my
mother a double lethal dose of Heparin, that was order for a woman in
the next bed with blood clots. My mom had an asthma attack and was
hospitalized for observation overnight, and this simple mistake
caused my mother to hemorrhage, go into cardiac arrest, kidney
failure and CHF all within hours. The respirator cause thrush 2
times of which CS cured almost overnight, with nasty blisters in her
mouth and on her lips and gums. I just sprayed them constantly with
CS during an all night watch over her (worried about the next mistake
someone might make, no one did anything to my mother from that point
without going through me first, and I stayed with her day and night)
She got a staph infection at an IV site, it got nasty, when my mom
told me, I opened the bandages, sprayed them and kept them moist with
CS throughout the day and night, to the amazement of the wound care
nurse who though she was creating a miracle, until I shared with her
what was really going on. Her $1000 a tube medicine couldn't hold a
candle to my 50 cent bottle of CS.

But for reference (an another good website to read through)
http://www.silverme dicine.org/ byustudy. html
http://www.toolsfor healing.com/ CD/Articles/ B/Brigham-
YoungUniversityRe. html
http://ezinearticle s.com/?Colloidal -Silver-Use- --Effective? &id=786599

and this says it all..
http://www.csfacts. com/pages/ research. html
http://www.surfingt heapocalypse. net/cgi-bin/ archive.cgi?
noframes;read= 132564
http://www.therocke rbox.com/ asap_test_ results.htm

A wealth of information which most has been posted here before, but
for you new folks..Hope this helps... and again, thank you for
everyone here who has taught me!

The making of CS is truly simple stupid, just get a tester so you
know you are making the right ppm, and although I do not have a
silver-puppy (and wished I did) I know and hear its one great simple
devise to make CS. I bought a simple system from Utopia Silver over
10 years ago, and I only replace the batteries and silver rods as
needed. I now have 4 of them and I keep a one gallon brown distilled
old pharmaceutical bottle full, as it goes down for the many uses I
have, I just make more!
For you gift minded.. I have given CS makers for Christmas presents
to my friends who have been suffering from Hepatitis C, Cancer (on
chemo to aid in their infection fighting immunity and mouth
blisters), friends with catheters, with Mono, well many things. I
cant think of a more beautiful gift to give those I love. A
generator, a gallon of distilled water, printed info on the miracles
of CS, and a hug.

Never stop learning!

Ok off to bed...

Cherie

--- In colloidalsilver2@ yahoogroups. com, "kl_clayton"
<kl_clayton@ ...> wrote:
>
> That is an amazing story. Congratulations to both you and your
mom. Are these abstracts
> from the U's in a file somewhere, or did you collect them
yourself?
>
> Kathryn
>

Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:52:50 -0000
Subject: [Colloidal Silver] Re: research & documentation


> Does anyone know of any research papers, documentation etc for
>colloidal silver. I'm in school for holistic health practitioner and
>when writing my papers I suggest using CS a lot, and apparently she
>doesn't like that.

> Kim


Hi Kim

Here are 3reseach studies I saved. The last one is 30 pages long so if
you want, I can email it to you
Johanne F

University Study Shows Ionic Silver Effective Against SRAS Press
Release Source: AgION Technologies Monday June 13, 9:56 am ET

University Study Shows Ionic Silver Effective Against SRAS
Supports Previous Research Findings on SRAS Virus

WAKEFIELD, Mass.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 13, 2005--AgION
Technologies, Inc., a leading provider of engineered antimicrobial
solutions, today announced that its research efforts have
demonstrated that ionic silver was found to effectively deactivate
the human corona virus strain 229E, a virus linked to SRAS, during
a laboratory study conducted by the University of Arizona.

The study, led by C.P. Gerba, Ph.D. and K.R. Bright, Ph.D., tested
various ionic silver and copper levels to determine if they were
effective against the human corona virus strain 229E, a strain
commonly used as a surrogate for the SRAS virus in laboratory
research. The research demonstrated significant reductions of the
virus within 1 hour (90 percent) and reduced virus levels to below
the detection limit following 24 hours of exposure (99.99 percent).

"These are very exciting results," said Dr. Gerba. "The fact that the
ionic silver is effective against this human corona virus strain
suggests that it may also be effective in reducing the human SRAS
virus, which has caused widespread illness in numerous countries
throughout the world. Since the compound is both safe and effective,
there are countless potential applications. "

This study supports previous findings from research on the human SRAS
virus and the feline corona virus. A 2003 study by the Chinese Center
for Disease Control and Prevention found the ionic
silver completely deactivated the human SRAS virus after 2 hours. In
addition, a laboratory study conducted by University of Arizona in
2003 found the ionic silver deactivated 99% of the feline corona
virus within 4 hours.

"The research demonstrates that ionic silver has the potential to
deactivate viruses in a relatively short period of time," said Jeff
Trogolo, Ph.D., chief technology officer, AgION Technologies, Inc.
"Studies have shown that corona viruses can survive on surfaces for
several hours - even days in some cases - so there is an exciting
potential for the AgION technology to be developed into solutions
which are used in the reduction of these viruses on contaminated
surfaces."

The AgION antimicrobial compound is comprised of naturally occurring
silver ions and a ceramic material called a zeolite. It is safe, long
lasting and has proven effective against a broad range of
microorganisms, including bacteria, algae, and fungus such as mold
and yeast. AgION antimicrobials are used in a wide variety of
applications and can be found in appliances, building products,
heating, ventilation, air conditioning, medical devices, water
filtration and delivery systems, food processing and packaging, and
numerous other consumer, industrial and medical products.

AgION's antimicrobial products are not currently registered with the
Environmental Protection Agency to claim efficacy against the corona
viruses.
About AgION Technologies
AgION Technologies, located in Wakefield, Massachusetts, is a leader
in providing engineered antimicrobial solutions based on ionic silver
that continuously inhibit the growth of bacteria, mold
and fungus on a broad range of industrial, consumer and medical
products.

For more information about AgION Technologies Inc, contact
Barry Green at 781-224-7100 or email bgreen@a... www.
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Silver Kills ALL Viruses, Study Finds
FreeMarketNews. com
10-21-5

In a groundbreaking study, the Journal of Nanotechnology has published
a study that found silver nanoparticles kills HIV-1 and is likely to
kill virtually any other virus. The study, which was conducted by the
University of Texas and Mexico University, is the first medical study
to ever explore the benefits of silver nanoparticles, according to
Physorg.

During the study, researchers used three different methods of limiting
the size of the silver nanoparticles by using capping agents. The
capping agents were foamy carbon, poly (PVP), and bovine serum albumin
(BSA). The particles ranged in size from 1 to 10 nanometers depending
on the method of capping. After incubating the HIV-1 virus at 37 C,
the silver particles killed 100% of the virus within 3 hours for all
three methods. The scientists believe that the silver particles bonded
through glycoprotein knobs on the virus with spacing of about 22
nanometers in length.

While further research is needed, researchers are optimistic that
nanological silver may be the silver bullet to kill viruses. The
researchers in the study said that they had already begin experiments
using silver nanoparticles to kill what is known as the super bug
(Methicillin resistant staphylococcus aureus).
Already used as a topical antibiotic in the medical industry, silver
may now come under consideration as an alternative to drugs when it
comes to fighting previously untreatable viruses such as the Tamiflu
resistant avian flu.

Free-Market News Network
http://www.freemark etnews.com/ WorldNews. asp?nid=1401

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Medical Studies on Silver
Reports available on www.ncbi.nlm. nih.gov/entrez/ query.fcgi? db=PubMed

_ Sun, 02 Jul 2006 21:35:20 -0000
Subject: Re: [Colloidal Silver] research & documentation

--- In colloidalsilver2@ yahoogroups. com, Lance Culp <solstice2y@
...>wrote:

(Lance)
Our country is almost going bankrupt over drug costs. Those costs
aren’t being incurred because of the cost of aspirin or other over
the counter medications. Sure companies make profits from that stuff,
but it isn’t where the big bucks are. The big money is in
prescription drugs.

(Joe)
I agree. The costs of prescription drugs are enormous and it is the
result, in part, of the patent system. The patent system helps
guarantee a big profit.

(Lance)
Certainly, you can sell colloidal as an antiseptic. You can sell it
as a food supplement. But that isn’t what pharmaceutical companies
are about.

(Joe)
Why do Bayer and other pharmas sell Asprin and the other over the
counter products I mentioned, which by the way didn't
say 'Antispetic' on the tube or bottle, but clearly said 'Antibiotic. '

(Lance)
I stand by my statement that what you are talking about is small
potatoes compared to something in the way of an antibiotic that can
cure life threatening infections.

(Joe)
It must not be too 'small potatoes' for Bayer to be selling Aspirin.
If they didn't make a profit from it I highly doubt they would waste
resources producing it.

(Lance)
And in order to make the claim that colloidal silver can cure
terrible infections orâ€"whether viral or bacterial-- requires that
such a claim be substantiated by testing. The FDA requires that.

(Joe)
I agree, but now your narrowing the use for CS to the cure
of 'terrible infections , whether viral or bacterial. You didn't
qualify those parameters in your prior posts.

(Lance)
The testing costs millions of dollars and, in the case of colloidal
silver, at the end of the testing period, the company that paid for
the testing would not be able to patent colloidal silver. So that
would mean that every Tom, Dick and Harry that wanted to make
colloidal silver could do so without paying royalties.

(Joe)
I agree that it does cost millions of dollars to get a "new drug"
approved for sales and that patents do help protect the inventor of
such. That is one of the reasons why patents are issued and in most
cases are covered internationally. Why does CS, as we know it, have
to be marketed as a 'drug'. If it does all of what people claim, and
there seems to be an endless list of claims, a pharma company with a
good WALL STREET advertising firm behind them could show that the
many claims made for its use are justified, all the while being
within the guildlines of the FDA and FTC. Sure, their would be no
protection to keep others from doing the same, but heck that happens
EVERYDAY, just go to a drug store and view the numerous number of
over the counter medications that appear to do the same thing, for
instance 'Cold Remedies.'Advertisi ng is POWERFUL, hell they were able
to market and sell a bundle of "PET ROCKS" 30 or so years ago!

(Lance)
And if colloidal were tremendously effective it would lessen the
demands for the many new variations on antibiotics that are produced.
As the situation stands today, new antibiotics are needed on a
frequent basis since bacteria builds up a resistance.

(Joe)
You qualified your first statement with the words "temendously
effective". Exactly what I'm talking about in getting some good WALL
STREET advertising firms involved. If it turned out to be
'termendously effective' whith resonable cost to the public, it would
certainly cause the BIG pharma guys to take notice. If the public new
that they could take CS to cure what ails them, why would they even
bother to see a doctor for a prescription for some high priced drug
that has all kinds of bad side effects?

(Lance)
If colloidal silver largely eliminated that problem, the company that
did the research on the effectiveness of colloidal silver would no
longer need to develop new antibiotics, which is one of the primary
operations of the pharmaceutical industry, and, once again, they
wouldn’t even have a patent to make large amounts of money on
colloidal silver. In short, nobody wants a silver bullet!

(Joe)
Yep, exactly what I'm talking about. Take the pharmas guns and
bullets away and they have NOTHING left to shoot us with. They would
jump on the band wagon and start attempting to improve the 'non-
patentable' product while attempting to grab market share with thier
own brand of CS in an attempt to stay afloat. You and I and everybody
else knows that it will never happen but with the right advertising,
while staying within the confines of FTC & FDA, it's possible to at
least make them take notice.

Joe
______________________________________________

>When running DC, one electrode gathers a fuzzy thickish black deposit
>that>peroxide instantly dissolves and wipes off black.

If let dry, it turns greyish and wipes slightly silver and black.
If that electrode is very close to the bottom, it deposits a hard
black spot that peroxide doesn't touch that's similar to the deposit
that peroxide re-deposits on that electrode if it's left in Peroxide
and doesn't change with air exposure.
Running between 32 and 6 volts up to 19-20 uS allows the fuzzy black
deposit to get thick enough over time to want to wipe off now and then
towards the end...especially when making big batches.
6 volts across the electrodes is plenty to produce oxygen on the same
electrode that emits silver ions, but no oxygen bubbles can be seen.

It doesn't turn black till later in the process indicating to me that
the silver oxide is soluble in water until the water reaches a certain
concentration.

Since a black spot will deposit at that location and it isn't soluble
in water [or peroxide], that tells me the oxide shifted forms somehow
at that interface.
Silver Oxide III Ag2O3 could be going to Ag2O..or something like that?
[I don't "know" what's happening, just that something does. It seems
like adding one oxygen atom to Ag2O3 with Peroxide would yield pure
metallic silver and there is a form of silver oxide also named silver
peroxide]

Just beyond that black spot deposited on glass if the electrodes are
too close can be seen a silver plate-out which says that ions have
picked up an electron from the glass. [or the oxide gave one to the
ion? ..or...]
If the silver ions can pick up an electron, so can an unstable silver
oxide...but it may have given electrons to the ions at a capacitive
interface.
I know glass is an insulator, but so is the polymer layer in a capacitor.
If the current is high enough, you can see dark particles striking the
glass. I don't think that lowering the current eliminates them, just
makes so few that they are invisible and well diffused...or the
concentration isn't so high in that localized spot that they are
dissolved. [I need to leave the black electrode in distilled water to
see if the black eventually dissolves in water as well as in peroxide,
even if a lot slower.]

www.avxcorp. com/docs/ techinfo/ pcglass.pdf
The construction of Glass capacitors is straightforward. ... Glass
capacitors exhibit excellent stability characteristics ...

Where could electrons come from?
http://acept. la.asu.edu/ PiN/rdg/photon/ photon.shtml
shows how when a photon is absorbed by a metal, it converts to an
electron. Glass is silicon [as are solar cells] and often contains
traces of metals to enhance certain qualities of glass. Solar cells
use a metallic doping on the silicon. Glass wouldn't make a "good"
solar cell any more than a chunk of copper would but a bad one would
do. It does apparently make a great capacitor under the right
conditions. Also, electromagnetic radiation is everywhere and
inductance is a fact of life.

On the other side of the silver plate-out, is a white Silver Hydroxide
spot under that electrode and a white streamer of particles.
Since silver hydroxide isn't very soluble at all, turning the current
down doesn't eliminate that streamer from view.

Now, if the electrodes are far enough away to prevent the deposits on
the glass, or stirring is being used, everything still happens but in
other places.
Metallic silver gets caught in the surface tension of Hydrogen bubbles
forming a hardened structured bubble with a semiconductive surface
that will grow more Hydrogen bubbles. Eventually you get a grey beard
that will transfer silver to the surface tension of the water when the
electrode is withdrawn too fast. Water pressure tends to increase the
surface tension of those bubbles and their adhesion properties. If the
stir rate is too high, a very thick beard of silver coated hydrogen
bubbles can be seen to grow into the direction of the water flow stuck
to the electrode. It can get so heavy as to fall off and sink. If left
alone, most of the silver escapes into the water as a white mist as
the bubble dissolves. This bubble structure smears shiny silver.
Conclusion: Metallic silver is being made, possibly from interfacing
with the glass. It's not ALL metallic silver.

Crank up the current and you can see golden particles disburse into
the water...even more current...black particles.
Even more current, you get black particles. Even higher, gas emulsions
that settle into layers ranging from brown to jet black that later
mostly settle out.

Now, I know that the current *can't* be cranked up without the
conductivity to carry it, along with higher concentrations of
dissolved 'stuff' dropping precipitates at some point, or higher voltages.
Getting a handle on current and voltage and using stirring [at the
right speed] helps immeasurably to keep concentration zones and such
in check and appears to favor some reactions over others, but I'll not
presume that the others are eliminated.

Whassup? Hey, you tell me!
But it's pretty obvious that many things are going on beyond a simple
Hydroxide, Hydrogen and Ion process...along with that process.
And 6 volts at a one milliamp draw [across the electrodes read by
voltmeter, regardless of what some other measurement might be] in 20
uS water is plenty to make it happen on a limited scale at limited rates.

1.2 volts won't pull a milliamp until the conductivity is very high. [
I know, that's not 1.2 volts "across" the electrodes but something
else. I'll study on that but it'll take a while. ]

Further: Hydrogen peroxide displays varied reactions on EIS at
different times as it, as well, displays different reactions on
various silver oxides [or whatever that black/brown/ golden stuff is ]
in different places.
Reason says there's a connection there with unstable compounds formed,
stabilizing over periods of time with various chemical and electrical
influences and re-formed.
Harvard is saying that glass is a crystal nucleation site.
Micrographs show how Peroxide breaks yellow particles apart.
Peroxide clears the yellow out.
If left alone, all of the yellow in yellow EIS will stick to the glass
leaving the water colorless... and peroxide instantly dissolves that
yellow deposit.
Peroxide dissolves some forms of silver oxides but not others. [Cleans
up a black electrode quite fast, but later turns it black again with
an oxide form it won't touch...presuming. .. that the black on a
silver electrode is a silver oxide]
A nucleated crystal has fracture planes.
Glass can make a good capacitor... possibly a bad solar cell.
Electromagnetic induction happens.

connections?

I ran a generator with Hydrogen Peroxide in the water at 1 mA for 3
days maxing out at 13 uS and made big shiny silver flakes and not much
else...but, after a long time, the water turned yellow and dropped
black balls of 'something' to the bottom.
I'd "say" [true or not] that silver oxides and suspended nucleated
crystals formed around stable silver oxide particles vs the more usual
unstable oxide nucleation. [That batch sat on a sunny window sill in a
glass jar for several months first.. I dunno if that played a role. I
didn't leave any in total darkness ....or in a Faraday cage. I just
sat it there because it was pretty to look at in the sunshine. ]

Sometimes a batch will reflect room colors, particularly yellow and ,
less so, green. When moved away from those colors, the color vanishes.
*Per*-something at play making TINY shiny metallic silver flakes that
don't settle? [Like silver peroxide or monatomic oxygen or
transitional hydrogen peroxide???? ] I dunno.

At any rate, the cathode might not be the ONLY source of electrons and
many layers of processes might be going on along with the
hydroxide/hydrogen/ ion process even at a mere 1 milliamp and pretty
low current density.

..it sure looks that way, that's all I know.
I'm only guessing at "what".

OK, now let's swap the polarity every now and then and play frequency
games. [YAHHHH !!!! ]

Gotta see what running at under 1.2 volts across the electrodes
does...any other voltage measurement method would have to be less than
that.

I'll bet it's WAY SLOW, if anything happens at all. [Oh... review
Mikes data and pay more attention? ]

BTW Several months ago I wrapped a length of aluminum welding wire up
with a length of silver wire on one end, that end out of the water and
left the free ends in distilled water for several days spaced at about
a half inch.
Conductivity did go up... some.
But the water wasn't absolutely pure to start with and how much of
that rise had to do with carbon dioxide absorption, I don't know.
The silver didn't get black.

Ode

>What oxides do you think are present, and how did they get there?
>
>Mike M
>
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--- In colloidalsilver2@yahoogroups.com, herx13 wrote:

plntwm, in answer to your first question, there
does not appear to be any significant buildup of CS in
humans. Roger Altman did a small, non-controlled study
using himself as test subject, and you can read the
study and conclusions at the following
link:http://silverdata.20m.com/altmanstudy.html
http://silverdata.20m.com/altmanstudy.html There is lots of good
general information on CS at this
site<br><a href=http://silverdata.20m.com/
target=new>http://silverdata.20m.com/</a><br><br>Regarding buildup of
silver in humans, the above is true
only for genuine electro-colloidal silver and ionic
silver (in other words, the CS produced by home CS
generators, such as the ones described in the "Photos" link
on the left of your screen, and at the "silverdata"
link above). The same may not be true for ready-made
silver compounds or silver proteins sold by
entrepreneurs. But homemade CS is safe. Just start with good
quality distilled water, add 2 silver electrodes and
electricity and nothing else.<br><br>Concerning your second
question, I'm not aware of any reason a pregnant woman
cannot safely use CS. Since there are no know dangers to
humans from CS, I can't think of any danger to your
passenger. I would not be concerned if my wife were pregnant
and continued to take CS. Others will no doubt have
more to share on this.

--- End forwarded message ---

Nothing I have read would red flag giving kids
CS, ditto for pacemakers. We all take it here, from
great grandparents with artificial heart valves to
grandkids (the youngest is four).Good luck.
Uncleben ..