Your snipped quote:
[probably making 500 to 1000 ppm in 10 minutes.]
-Yep, I can well believe that, I've had a batch tested and it was 40+ppm after
2-3 minutes using 27vdc so I've no doubt it could reach the figures you state
after 10 minutes.

[Impure water plus a basic generator, such as a battery or wall wart sending the
power straight to the electrodes, is the worst possible combination.]
-True, but I still use one when I consider it necessary to achieve high ppm in
rapid time frame, then after a few days I revert back to my 'properly' made EIS.
It's all about using these generators to *my* advantage...circumstances
dependant.

I have to support these crude little beggers just a 'tad' even though they are
not the 'ideal' because I still use them when I consider it's warranted, not
often granted, but I would still use one if I thought it was necessary.

For those who may have limited understanding or have no idea of what they're
producing I agree, they should put it away somewhere in the back corner of the
darkest cupboard they can find in the shed or garage (and preferably out of
reach) and then go out and beg, buy, borrow, make or steal a 'proper' one, but
for those who savvy what's going on I find they still have there uses on
occasion.  While I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said I still utilise
these 'stone-age' units to work for me and my purpose.

N.





--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, "alchemysa" <mail@...> wrote:
>
> Impure water - e.g. Mineral water, spring water, tap water, etc (even
distilled water with salt added) all has two main problems due to the salt in
the water.
>
> Firstly, it creates masses of large silver chloride particles which may be
more photo sensitive and may result in more blueing.
>
> Secondly (and this is more important) it is MUCH more electrically conductive.
So in a given time, using bad water and an uncontrolled generator (like a simple
battery or wall transformer) you will dissolve MUCH more silver into the water
than you would if you only used distilled water. So basically, you have a much
higher chance of overdosing and going blue if you use bad water. People using
bad water and a battery often mistakenly believe they are making "10 ppm in 10
minutes" (1 min per ppm), when in fact they are probably making 500 to 1000 ppm
in 10 minutes.
>
> Impure water plus a basic generator, such as a battery or wall wart sending
the power straight to the electrodes, is the worst possible combination. (Stan
Jones and Paul Karosan both made that mistake.)
>
> A 'current controlled' generator like a Silverpuppy, or Silvergen will
automatically limit the current at the electrodes and reduce the silver dose
even in bad water, but its still not a good idea to use bad water.
>
> If you don't have a current controlled generator then the low conductivity of
distilled water provides a natural method of limiting the current flow. It will
take longer to make a batch but the dose will be safer. And visually you can
roughly determine when your batch is done. Something thats impossible if you use
impure water and your batch goes cloudy almost instantly.
>
>
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, sourceoflove2004@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > thanks Chuck, I agree, when nothig else is available, go with it... I even
> > drink distileed water because I have an abundance of iron in my system...
> > so I  would think using any kind of mineral water with the silver, might not
> > work in  the first place so why bother... but yes, if it's all we got, maybe
> > that's  good...
> >
> > LOL, and here in minnesota, in the spring, everyone looks pale and gaunt
> > from winter... even blue would add some color LOLOL
> >
> > Thanks again for your input... I use only distilled water always :+)
> > Mary in MN...
> >
> > In a message dated 6/29/2009 2:12:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > cking001@ writes:
> >
> >
> > This is Old Technology.
> > Once upon a time it was acceptable to use a salt  starter.
> > In an emergency water other than distilled can be used (better  than
> > nothing).
> > But for day in day out , not gonna turn you blue, only  distilled water
> > and pure(.9999) silver should be used.
> >
> > Here's a guy  that used salt and other than distilled water in very
> > large amounts for a  long time.
> > _http://www.purestcohttp://www.http://wwhtt_
> > (http://www.purestcolloids.com/blue-man.php)
> >
> > SPRING  AND WELL WATER IS NOT PURE ENOUGH
> > Nobody uses salt nowadays. It was used to  speed up the start of the
> > process.
> >
> > Chuck
> > See what happens when  you don't eat your broccoli!
> >
> > On 6/29/2009 2:36:00 PM, _sourceoflove2004@sourceo_
> > (mailto:sourceoflove2004@)   wrote
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "There's always time for a  song"
> >
>

Impure water - e.g. Mineral water, spring water, tap water, etc (even distilled
water with salt added) all has two main problems due to the salt in the water.

Firstly, it creates masses of large silver chloride particles which may be more
photo sensitive and may result in more blueing.

Secondly (and this is more important) it is MUCH more electrically conductive.
So in a given time, using bad water and an uncontrolled generator (like a simple
battery or wall transformer) you will dissolve MUCH more silver into the water
than you would if you only used distilled water. So basically, you have a much
higher chance of overdosing and going blue if you use bad water. People using
bad water and a battery often mistakenly believe they are making "10 ppm in 10
minutes" (1 min per ppm), when in fact they are probably making 500 to 1000 ppm
in 10 minutes.

Impure water plus a basic generator, such as a battery or wall wart sending the
power straight to the electrodes, is the worst possible combination. (Stan Jones
and Paul Karosan both made that mistake.)

A 'current controlled' generator like a Silverpuppy, or Silvergen will
automatically limit the current at the electrodes and reduce the silver dose
even in bad water, but its still not a good idea to use bad water.

If you don't have a current controlled generator then the low conductivity of
distilled water provides a natural method of limiting the current flow. It will
take longer to make a batch but the dose will be safer. And visually you can
roughly determine when your batch is done. Something thats impossible if you use
impure water and your batch goes cloudy almost instantly.



David











--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, sourceoflove2004@... wrote:
>
>
>
> thanks Chuck, I agree, when nothig else is available, go with it... I even
> drink distileed water because I have an abundance of iron in my system...
> so I  would think using any kind of mineral water with the silver, might not
> work in  the first place so why bother... but yes, if it's all we got, maybe
> that's  good...
>
> LOL, and here in minnesota, in the spring, everyone looks pale and gaunt
> from winter... even blue would add some color LOLOL
>
> Thanks again for your input... I use only distilled water always :+)
> Mary in MN...
>
> In a message dated 6/29/2009 2:12:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> cking001@... writes:
>
>
> This is Old Technology.
> Once upon a time it was acceptable to use a salt  starter.
> In an emergency water other than distilled can be used (better  than
> nothing).
> But for day in day out , not gonna turn you blue, only  distilled water
> and pure(.9999) silver should be used.
>
> Here's a guy  that used salt and other than distilled water in very
> large amounts for a  long time.
> _http://www.purestcohttp://www.http://wwhtt_
> (http://www.purestcolloids.com/blue-man.php)
>
> SPRING  AND WELL WATER IS NOT PURE ENOUGH
> Nobody uses salt nowadays. It was used to  speed up the start of the
> process.
>
> Chuck
> See what happens when  you don't eat your broccoli!
>
> On 6/29/2009 2:36:00 PM, _sourceoflove2004@sourceo_
> (mailto:sourceoflove2004@...)   wrote
>
>
>
>
>
> "There's always time for a  song"
>

Dammit Ode...I LIKED that story..

Uncleben ..

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, Ode Coyote <odecoyote@...> wrote:
>
> Dispel a false belief with another false belief?
>
>   Being a blue blood had nothing to do with silver.

Dispel a false belief with another false belief?

   Being a blue blood had nothing to do with silver.
   When silver plated dinnerware became available to the "common man" the
numbers of blue people didn't increase.
The blue bloods of old didn't know how to make CS, badly or not.

Blue Bloods were named that because they had fair skin and didn't work out
in the sun.
Their veins, thus visible, literally made them look like they had blue blood.
..and they didn't drink much water as most of it was contaminated with
fecal matter and waves of water borne disease made everyone wary of the wells.
   Even the serfs drank mostly beer.
   Back then, natures distilled water was pretty pure. [rain]

Ode


At 07:37 PM 6/29/2009 +0000, you wrote:

>After all, the 'blue bloods' of old didn't have easy access to distilled
>water. They got their silver from their food and drink 'cuz it was
>abundant in their cooking and eating utensils, spring water and farm produce..
>
>Having said all of that, I'm not making mine with anything other than
>distilled water and I'm NOT diluting it with anything....
>
>As to the stomach flora....I have yet to hear of any having trouble along
>those lines that could be traced to Colloidal Silver...and I've taken a
>lot of CS for a lot of years.. When my sheen gets a bit dull there's
>always silver polish...<G> But, probiotics can be a good thing.. Only you
>would know..
>
>Uncleben ..
>
>

Hope she didn't pay much for it.
No matter how ignorant the manufacturer [or seller], she can still use it
in pure water.

Beck didn't know much about it  either, no one did....back in the day, but
it still worked well enough to keep going.

Ode



At 02:36 PM 6/29/2009 -0400, you wrote:


>hi,
>
>my neighbor just came over and said that her sister bought a machine for
>making silver at home, there is no manufacturer on the machine... she got
>it from a ND in North Dakota... she said the directions say to ONLY use
>well water or spring water... if distilled water is used, a person has to
>add sea salt... I think this is crazy and told her so... am I loosing my mind?
>
>Did something change from distilled to spring or well water when I wasn't
>looking in this ever changing world...???
>
>Ode, Unclben, David, anybody what say you about this?
>
>Thanks in advance for any suggestions...
>Mary in MN
>
>In a message dated 6/29/2009 12:28:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>cking001@... writes:
>>
>>
>>This is a common question.
>>
>>No such thing as good/bad germs.
>>CS does not differentiate (kills all it comes in contact with).
>>
>>Your body, however, keeps certain areas "friendly" for biological's
>>that it needs and these areas are rapidly repopulated.
>>
>>Also, these areas are deep within the bowel and normal doses of CS are
>>assimilated before it has traveled to these areas, so the "friendlies"
>>are semi-protected.
>>
>>If massive doses of CS were to be used, so as to swamp everything,
>>then a dose of probiotics would be a good idea for replenishment.
>>
>>Chuck
>>
>>Science seeks to make theories that are so beautiful, elegant, and
>>logical that Nature is flattered and acquiesces
>>
>>On 6/27/2009 2:28:33 PM, <mailto:safoocat%40yahoo.com>safoocat@...
>>wrote:
>>
>> >
>
>
>"There's always time for a song"
>

When we actually started to test CS rather than believe the old tales we learned
a lot....and most of the old tales were false..at least in the sense that some
want to take a lot of it (CS) on a daily basis.. In that case one needs to have
a good quality distilled water..

HOWEVER, even those that didn't get the message, were too smart to pay
attention, etc., the turning blue had no ill effect other than turning one
blue/grey sooooo, CS is NOT going to hurt you.... After all, the 'blue bloods'
of old didn't have easy access to distilled water. They got their silver from
their food and drink 'cuz it was abundant in their cooking and eating utensils,
spring water and farm produce..

Having said all of that, I'm not making mine with anything other than distilled
water and I'm NOT diluting it with anything....

As to the stomach flora....I have yet to hear of any having trouble along those
lines that could be traced to Colloidal Silver...and I've taken a lot of CS for
a lot of years.. When my sheen gets a bit dull there's always silver
polish...<G>  But, probiotics can be a good thing.. Only you would know..

Uncleben ..

This is Old Technology.
Once upon a time it was acceptable to use a salt starter.
In an emergency water other than distilled can be used (better than
nothing).
But for day in day out , not gonna turn you blue, only distilled water
and pure(.9999) silver should be used.

Here's a guy that used salt and other than distilled water in very
large amounts for a long time.
http://www.purestcolloids.com/blue-man.php

SPRING AND WELL WATER IS NOT PURE ENOUGH
Nobody uses salt nowadays. It was used to speed up the start of the
process.

						 Chuck
See what happens when you don't eat your broccoli!


On 6/29/2009 2:36:00 PM, sourceoflove2004@... wrote:
> hi,
>
> my neighbor just came over and said that her sister bought a machine for
> making silver at home, there is no manufacturer on the machine... she got
> it from a ND in North Dakota... she said the directions say to ONLY use
> well water or spring water... if distilled water is used, a person has to
> add sea salt... I think this is crazy and told her so... am I loosing my
> mind?
>
> Did something change from distilled to spring or well water when I
> wasn't looking in this ever changing world...???
>
> Ode, Unclben, David, anybody what say you about this?
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions...
> Mary in MN
>
> In a message dated 6/29/2009 12:28:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
cking001@... writes:
>
>
>
> This is a common question.
>
> No such thing as good/bad germs.
> CS does not differentiate (kills all it comes in contact with).
>
> Your body, however, keeps certain areas "friendly" for biological's
> that it needs and these areas are rapidly repopulated.
>
> Also, these areas are deep within the bowel and normal doses of CS are
> assimilated before it has traveled to these areas, so the "friendlies"
> are semi-protecte

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This is a common question.

No such thing as good/bad germs.
CS does not differentiate (kills all it comes in contact with).

Your body, however, keeps certain areas "friendly" for biological's
that it needs and these areas are rapidly repopulated.

Also, these areas are deep within the bowel and normal doses of CS are
assimilated before it has traveled to these areas, so the "friendlies"
are semi-protected.

If massive doses of CS were to be used, so as to swamp everything,
then a dose of probiotics would be a good idea for replenishment.

						 Chuck

Science seeks to make theories that are so beautiful, elegant, and
logical that Nature is flattered and acquiesces

On 6/27/2009 2:28:33 PM, safoocat@... wrote:

>
> I have a quetion for the group about CS killing the single cell organisms.
> Doesn't
> it also kill the good germs along with the bad ones?
> Wouldn't want to wipe out the intestinal flora would we?
> I suppose one could take acidopholis. How do you folks deal with
> not killing off the good bugs while taking out the bad ones?
> best,
>
>
> Michelle Ress Felton, CA
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/safoocat/
>
> Others know more about the amount of CS you can put in their water than I. I
was just going from memory and never really did remember the correct amount.
What I did remember was somebody making the statement when they would put two
bowls of water out for their animals, one with CS and the other without, they
all preferred the one with the CS. Seems like they just know what's
> good for them.
>
> You also mentioned your dog is old. When I was reserching liver disease in
> animals, they stated that almost

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Nobody's safe...the boogeymen just aren't as big or as findable as a
cure salesman would like you to believe.
More like many ants than a few monsters.

BTW  Stainless steel is about as wear resistant as it comes.
   The supposed culprit, Nickel, is very tough and ductile and pretty much
non reactive to the other elements and chemicals which is why the steel is
stainless...and it's pretty well locked up in the crystal lattice structure
of the iron.
   The Chromium trace content [a micro-nutrient] makes it even harder and
tougher.
Stainless is practically impervious to acids.
Although you can dig a furrow into stainless steel, It doesn't tend to
scratch *off*
Machining it is difficult as the cutter doesn't slice it, it sort of grabs
it on a microscopic scale and rips it apart.
   That takes a lot of pressure.

Occurrence and Abundance: Nickel is a common element and 20 % of the earths
core is made out of Nickel. The abundance of Nickel in the earths crust is
1.9 log (3%) but most of the Nickel on our planet is at its core. Over all
Nickel is the fifth most common element on our planet.


Ode



At 10:02 AM 6/27/2009 -0400, you wrote:


>Yes...
>We ALL are...
>
>Chuck
>Relaxed Agnostic
>--I don't know any answers
>--I'm not looking very hard, either
>
>On 6/27/2009 8:20:03 AM, Linda
>(<mailto:chapel555%40yahoo.com>chapel555@...) wrote:
> >
> > Darn, Mercola's article a couple of weeks ago said that stainless steel
> may not be good.................
> > I guess that I am just doomed to die.
> >
> > Linda
>
>
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Yes...
We ALL are...

						 Chuck
Relaxed Agnostic
--I don't know any answers
--I'm not looking very hard, either

On 6/27/2009 8:20:03 AM, Linda (chapel555@...) wrote:
>
> Darn, Mercola's article a couple of weeks ago said that stainless steel may
not be good.................
> I guess that I am just doomed to die.
>
> Linda

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Dr Mercola has perpetuated a number of inaccuracies and exaggerations.


Then all is well and Ode is safe.
I haven't gone so far as to replace ALL my teflon.  I do know that Mercola is in
the business of selling cookware.
I have decided that I'm tired of eating teflon as it breaks down and flakes off
over the years.  So when I do replace a pan, it is with stainless steel, no
teflon!

Darn, Mercola's article a couple of weeks ago said that stainless steel may not
be good.................
I guess that I am just doomed to die.

Linda

Shucks.  Every day life points out the errors of Gov't.
Just barely managing to pay the minimum on that credit card bill?
   Living pay check to pay check?
   Depending on over time to get by?


There ya go, plain old common sense has become a rare commodity.
With the average family in unnecessary debt at $8,000 and paying the max
interest rate....
That would be the majority of Americans and the majority is supposedly in
charge.

The stupid don't want to look at stupid and seek validation that it's OK
just because everybody else they know of is in the same sinking boat.
   The Gov't treats us like children because we ARE like children.
   Unfortunately, our "parents" never grew up either, so we have a big pack
of kids running amuck.

A Muck gets lousy mileage and can be bought for less [on credit] because it
has no steering wheel or brakes.
It's called a Muck because it drives itself to the lowest point where the
swamp is and spins its wheels going nowhere.
Minimum miles to maximum gallons...mud slung everywhere, going no place but
further down into the ad mire.

I heard the House passed "Cap and Trade"
   Well, maybe everything can run on swamp gas, but my bet is that anyone
with any sense will be going where the sensible can be used and there's
someplace to go.
The Gov't seems to believe that we ALL "Belong" to it and can't just pick
up and leave the rotting nest.
But only those that depend on Gov't, belong to Gov't and not everyone is
going to sell themselves to it in exchange for empty impossible promises.

   Those that actually do create jobs aren't going to hang around to have
the vultures peck their eyeballs out.
   They can and will fly away.
If nothing else, they can afford to wait till the cannibals get done with
each other.

One way or the other, nature always wins.

If you don't grow up and fly, your parents will EAT you.

Ode


At 02:31 PM 6/26/2009 +0000, you wrote:


>We all see what we want to see, hear what we want to hear, and think of
>ourselves as smarter than those that disagree. I guess that I qualify to
>be classified as blind, deaf and dumb for I vehemently disagree with those
>that would use their political affiliation as a marker for proof of anything.
>
>It is a matter of political view and opinion as to which direction this
>country is headed.
>The facts point one direction, the spin suggests another. It is a fact
>that each session of Congress puts this country further in debt. Our
>national debt has already, many times over, surpassed the ability of
>taxpayers to reduce it. It is a fact that no business could successfully
>operate in the manner of our government.
>
>We are obviously much too smart to heed the lessons of history. We are
>clearly blind to see the obvious, and special interest groups distort our
>ability to hear to the point that we do not. History clearly points out
>the mistakes our government has made but we hurriedly rush on as if the
>race to the bottom was admirable.
>
>If we mirrored the immigration laws of Mexico we would have very little
>immigration, legal or illegal, from that country. If our social programs
>did not strip us of our pride, our dignity, our independence, our
>self-reliance and mute our natural abilities we would not have the social
>drain on government budgets that we have today, employment would be high,
>as would productivity and we would truly deserve to be proud.
>
>If we had a Supreme Court that was diligent in the pursuit of
>Constitutional Law, government leaders that were faithful in their pledge
>to uphold our Constitution, term limits linked to that of The President,
>and no separate health and retirement for our legislators, the change for
>the better would be a shrine to the rest of the world.
>
>However, if we truly believe that the expenditures of Obama, which total
>(so far) more than all the previous Presidents from Washington through G W
>Bush, Jr. with the promise of more, that he is somehow resurrecting The
>Constitution, that he is actually doing good things for our future with
>massive government controls on much of what we do…then it is much too late.
>
>Uncleben ..
>
>

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, Michelle M Ress <Safoocat@...> wrote:
>
> We also have a dachshund that has been sick with kidney failure and a tumor
> that could be blocking the intestine. Several days ago I started giving her
less
> than 1 ml a couple times a day. She hadn't eaten in six days.
>  
Hi Michelle,

My daughter also has a dachshund, but it is not old (2-3 years).  However, he
got very sick once when I was dog sitting.  At first, I thought he just missed
his owner (she has babied him quite a lot).  He kept getting more and more
lethargic.  I even told my daughter if she didn't get back soon, he was going to
make himself sick from missing her so much!  Still just in case he might
actually be really sick, I started putting a little CS in his water bowl.  He
went to it right away and appeared to love the stuff!

My daughter finally came home, but the dog did not perk up.  We were starting to
think something might really be wrong.  Took him to the vet, who did blood work,
and his liver enzymes were off the wall!  Usually you only see that in
hepatitis.  The vet said this dog is simply too young to be that sick, thus the
tests were run.  He did recover, but it took a long time of antibiotics as well
as a special formula food that is for the liver.   After Riley (dog) recovered
and they did follow up blood work showing his liver enzymes had returned to
normal, the doctor said if it were her dog, she would keep him on the special
food for the rest of his life.  They never really knew what he had, but it did
really effect his liver.

Others know more about the amount of CS you can put in their water than I.  I
was just going from memory and never really did remember the correct amount. 
What I did remember was somebody making the statement when they would put two
bowls of water out for their animals, one with CS and the other without, they 
all preferred the one with the CS.  Seems like they just know what's good for
them.

You also mentioned your dog is old.  When I was reserching liver disease in
animals, they stated that almost all old dogs will have some liver impairment
and suggested milk thistle.  Don't know if you would be interested, but it's
something to think about just because your dog is old.

Hope everything turns out fine for the both of you.

btw, you must also love old cars!  But then again, who doesn't? :)

Gail

We all see what we want to see, hear what we want to hear, and think of
ourselves as smarter than those that disagree.  I guess that I qualify to be
classified as blind, deaf and dumb for I vehemently disagree with those that
would use their political affiliation as a marker for proof of anything.

It is a matter of political view and opinion as to which direction this country
is headed.
The facts point one direction, the spin suggests another. It is a fact that each
session of Congress puts this country further in debt. Our national debt has
already, many times over, surpassed the ability of taxpayers to reduce it. It is
a fact that no business could successfully operate in the manner of our
government.

We are obviously much too smart to heed the lessons of history. We are clearly
blind to see the obvious, and special interest groups distort our ability to
hear to the point that we do not. History clearly points out the mistakes our
government has made but we hurriedly rush on as if the race to the bottom was
admirable.

If we mirrored the immigration laws of Mexico we would have very little
immigration, legal or illegal, from that country. If our social programs did not
strip us of our pride, our dignity, our independence, our self-reliance and mute
our natural abilities we would not have the social drain on government budgets
that we have today, employment would be high, as would productivity and we would
truly deserve to be proud.

If we had a Supreme Court that was diligent in the pursuit of Constitutional
Law, government leaders that were faithful in their pledge to uphold our
Constitution, term limits linked to that of The President, and no separate
health and retirement for our legislators, the change for the better would be a
shrine to the rest of the world.

However, if we truly believe that the expenditures of Obama, which total (so
far) more than all the previous Presidents from Washington through G W Bush, Jr.
with the promise of more, that he is somehow resurrecting The Constitution, that
he is actually doing good things for our future with massive government controls
on much of what we do…then it is much too late.

Uncleben ..

Teflon is preferred in laboratories *because* it is so inert and
*doesn't* contaminate experiments.

Heat it up to around 600 degrees and you may have a problem, but unless you
are making eggs ala instant charcoal, that's no problem.
   At that point, it will out gas a toxin strong enough to kill a
canary...so will wood and most "natural" products.
   Canaries die real easy that way, which is exactly why miners had them
around...to die long before a gas was too toxic for humans to breathe.

Dr Mercola has perpetuated a number of inaccuracies and exaggerations.
"They are bad, therefore I am good..just because I'm not them" does not
hold up to scrutiny or reason...but it sells books to those who won't use
discrimination.

NO ONE should be believed without question.
An Anti-believer is no more rational than a believer.
Neither uses their knoggin.
   Same slave game, different masters "using" your head *for* you.

No, it's not a safe world, but Fear "SELLS" and inventing targets makes you
FEEL safe just because you ain't   "it" and you have something concrete to
avoid [as though you actually could ]
For example:  You cannot avoid Aluminum and still be on this planet.
Aluminum is the third most common crustal element and the MOST common
crustal metal on earth.
   An aluminum frying pan will season just like a cast iron pan and neither
will expose you to the base material when used for frying
something...harmful or not.

Anti-discrimination just about guarantees that all will turn into the
nonsense of polar absolutes.
   EVERYTHING is conditional.

So, next time somebody whines about you discriminating, proudly proclaim:
"Yes, I am....isn't it about time you started" ?



Ode



While Teflon itself is chemically inert and non-toxic, Teflon begins to
deteriorate after the temperature of cookware reaches about 500 °F (260
°C), and begins to significantly decompose above 660 °F (350 °C). These
degradation products can be lethal to birds, and can cause flu-like
symptoms in humans (see Teflon flu). By comparison, cooking fats, oils and
butter will begin to scorch and smoke at about 392 °F (200 °C), and meat is
usually fried between 400450 °F (200230 °C), but empty cookware can exceed
this temperature if left unattended on a hot burner. A 1959 study,
conducted before the FDA approved the material for use in food processing
equipment, showed that the toxicity of fumes given off by the coated pan on
dry heating was less than that of fumes given off by ordinary
<http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/kitcar/kb.php?aid=442#>cooking oils..

A 1973 study confirmed the FDA findings and found that a 4-hour exposure to
the pyrolysis products of butter in an uncoated pan were 100% toxic to
parakeets at 260 °C, whereas no deaths were observed for exposure to Teflon
pyrolysis products until the Teflon coated pan was heated to 280
°C.Griffith, F.D.; Stephens, S.S.; Tayfun, F.O. "Exposure of Japanese quail
and parakeets to the pyrolysis products of fry pans coated with Teflon and
common cooking oils." American Industrial Hygiene Association Journal
(1973), 34(4), pp. 176-178. Over the 40 years non-stick cookware has been
in widespread use, there is only one published case of a minor,
short-lasting health effect linked to overheating non-stick cookware..

The <http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/kitcar/kb.php?aid=442#>EPA's
scientific advisory board found in 2005 that perfluorooctanoic acid (PFOA),
a chemical compound used to make Teflon, is a "likely carcinogen." This
finding was part of a draft report.that has yet to be made final. DuPont
settled for $300 million in a 2004 lawsuit filed by residents near its
manufacturing plant in Ohio and West Virginia based on groundwater
pollution from this chemical. Currently this chemical is not regulated by
the EPA.




At 01:05 PM 6/25/2009 +0000, you wrote:


>...., he's like teflon, .....
> >
> >
>Chuck,
>
>Oh, I hope not! Dr. Mercola says that teflon gives off a poisoness odor
>and we should all stay away from it.
>
>I would really miss him. Ode writes so well and sees so much.
>
>Linda
>
>

>My cousin , in the mrerchant marines headed for a captaincy, indicated to
>me that his ship had a silver ion generator, ship yard installed [OEM] ,
>to treat the entire potable water supply on the ship.

   Even gave me the model number and brand name. I looked it up, it's for real.

Ode



>
>Just thought of one, how about adding CS to the fresh water tank in the
>motorhome
>instead of bleach?
>
>Michelle Ress Felton, CA

Bottom line on CS...you CANNOT take too much, and neither can your dog...except
at the beginning.. It works so well on killing the little beggars (pathogens,
not your dogs...) that one CAN overload the elimination pathways and cause THAT
kind of problem so one needs to start off with smaller amounts and work up to CS
all day (if that is the goal). No set protocol as we are all different..

AS to the fresh water in your motorhome you'll have better luck with a few
(three to four)quart bottles of Hydrogen Peroxide in the tank. Leave it in there
and fill up as normal.. Also works when ones hot water begins to smell bad..
Been there, done that..

No apology necessary.. By the time we need one we've probably already taken our
pound of flesh...<G>

Uncleben ..

--- In 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com, Michelle M Ress <Safoocat@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Uncleben
>  
> I was stressed because the dog was dying and the taxes aren't paid yet
> but today like a miracle the dog got her appetite back and even climbed up
> out of what could have been a death bed to plop in her old spot on the sofa
> so all is right with the world, nearly.
>  
> I found out about CS on one of the alternative HCV lists likely since I'm not
taking
> the conventional treatment, asked on freecycle for some CS and was given a
wine
> bottle nearly full of it. I started taking a couple slugs a day and felt
better so decided
> to give it to the sick dog since the vet said a tumor could be cancerous and
she's
> old so you know what that means.
>  
> Well heck so far so good and I went ahead and ordered the basic silverpuppy
and today
> I got the Hanna TDS meter off ebay so I'm one happy critter at the moment and
> you sure are right about restricting topics killing a list, been there, seen
it happen.
>  
> So I'd like to formally apologize for blurting out on my first post,
> settle back to lurking until I get my gear and start making a batch at which
point
> some questions will likely come up.
>  
> Just thought of one, how about adding CS to the fresh water tank in the
motorhome
> instead of bleach?
>
>
> Michelle Ress Felton, CA
>  
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/safoocat/
>
> --- On Wed, 6/24/09, cncsmetal75708 <cncsmetal@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: cncsmetal75708 <cncsmetal@...>
> Subject: [4COLLOIDALSILVER] Re: new here was figured out the Ode one....
> To: 4COLLOIDALSILVER@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 7:14 AM
>
>
> Plain and to the point is what we like.. and the list we would point you to
is.... THIS ONE.. As to simply observing and expecting to see your question
answered is to expect us all to be mind readers... Only The Ode can do that and
you don't want to know what he sees...
>
> The topics here will of necessity vary. To restrict postings to CS is to send
this list to an early grave.
>
> As to Colloidal Silver questions you have to but ask.. It's about the simplest
product to make at home that you will ever find and many of us have used it,
used, as in several ounces a day for years.. It is NOT a cure-all for each and
every health issue. CS kills single cell pathogens (germs, bacteria, and the
almighty VIRUS) and that's about all it does.. BUT, that in itself is a marvel..
Add to that the damage to the food chain for multicell pathogens and the CS
miracle takes on super star status..
>
> It helps if one reads enough to be able to separate fact from fiction, as some
will give CS credit for curing anything and everything, including the
'mother-inlaw blues'.....
>
> Uncleben ..
>

...., he's like teflon, .....
>
>
Chuck,

Oh, I hope not!  Dr. Mercola says that teflon gives off a poisoness odor and we
should all stay away from it.

I would really miss him.  Ode writes so well and sees so much.

Linda