The Age of Autism - 'A Pretty Big Secret'

http://www.upi.com/ConsumerHealthDaily/view.php?StoryID=20051204-060313-6829r

The Age of Autism: 'A pretty big secret'

By DAN OLMSTED
UPI Senior Editor

CHICAGO, Dec. 7 (UPI) -- It's a far piece from the horse-and-buggies of Lancaster County, Pa., to the cars and freeways of Cook County, Ill.

But thousands of children cared for by Homefirst Health Services in metropolitan Chicago have at least two things in common with thousands of Amish children in rural Lancaster: They have never been vaccinated. And they don't have autism. The Age of Autism: `A pretty big secret`

 

Two places with no infant inoculation; two places with no autism...message?

 

Regards Shaaag

"Capt. Chemtrails, USN (ret)" <shaaag2000@...> wrote:

Amish; old fashioned..but not autistic. Hey, come to think of it..my very long lived and educated grandparents (born late 19thC) had never even HEARD of autism.. (source-Kennedy- is my motivation to post)

 

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Searching for children who had not been exposed to mercury in vaccines -- the kind of population that scientists typically use as a "control" in experiments -- Dan Olmsted scoured the Amish of Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, who refuse to immunize their infants. Given the national rate of autism, Olmsted calculated that there should be 130 autistics among the Amish. He found only four. One had been exposed to high levels of mercury from a power plant. The other three -- including one child adopted from outside the Amish community -- had received their vaccines.----Deadly Immunity By ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR.

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Im a 25 year old Preschool teacher and while I don't have a lot of
fears I have a few that get in the way. I have a fear of doctors and
driving and some anxiety problems, I take NO meds. My fear of Dr's, Im
not sure how or why it happens. I am the type of person who will only
see a DR when Im sick. I've been at the same job for 3 years and they
have been going through files and realized I never had a "Physical
exam" when I started there, there's a staff health form that needs to
be filled out by your DR stating that your in good health. I only see
a DR when Im sick. Im in good health so I never need to go and I have
a strong fear of going. Well now my job tells me I HAVE to go and get
these papers signed by Nov. 14. I don't even have a "Dr". I have
health insurance but it's a very fixed plan and only allows for 6
vists a year and I needed those vists for a Dermatologist. Im so
angry, I have been there 3 years and now this comes up. Im even
thinking of quitting because Im so scared of going to a DR for a
simple check up. Im loosing sleep over this and it's causing me lots
of anxiety.I have had this fear since I was a child and as an adult it
has not went away in the least.Any advice on what to do? Thanks for
listening!

I sell health insurance.  I doubt very seriously if you would be able to get the
same
plan as your dr.  BC/BS has hundreds of different plans and is notorious for
paying
claims based on UCR (usual, customary & reasonable).  You should purchase a
non-network plan
from an insurance company who does not have thousands and thousands of
complaints on file
with your insurance commissioner for not paying claims (BC/BS).  What your dr.
has is very likely
not available to you.  Why don't you call your insurance commissioner's office
and find
out what company in California has a good reputation for claims paying?  After
all,
if they don't pay the claims, anything you pay in premiums is a waste of money.

--- SD <suedarn@...> wrote:

> We do I think. It is the Blue Cross Hospitalization only plan.
> Only hopitalizations are covered up to 54K and then everything is covered.
> I don't mind paying meica costs either.
> But giving up my house and life to do it doesn't make sense.
> 10 and 20K going out all at once, I'd be homeless in  a month.
> -sd
>
> SD wrote:
>
> > I'm going to sign up for Blur Cross of California. That is what my own
doctor has. We are
> "friends" I do his web page he charges me nothing for my dx an danything like
a test once a year
> or less or whatever. Weird that I dont' want
> > anything.. We but do only fear the catstrophic, so we only get
"hospitalization".l I went to
> hime a few times to get my thryoid straight when I knew very little about T's.
But now I am
> stable there and I don't need anythning from him.
> > He knows it. I can totally understand the dilemna of not needing an MD. We
must be lucky or
> something. Or smart? Maybe both?
> > I've been aware of body and how it works since I was a kid And could learn,
I did learn. No
> mystery. Thje info is out there.  But at any moment I could get in a car weedk
and need medical
> treatment or whatever. Some docs I do fear,
> > becasue they are brain washed. Adn yehit will cost a K a year. but oh well.
It beats risking
> what little IO have sved upo, etrc. When your bill comes to $5K it covers 
100% of everything
> plus take home meds. It's like car insurance.
> > -sd
> >
> > Flash Fyre wrote:
> >
> > > We're coming up on open enrollment and I want to ask the talking heads
> > > hard questions just for the fun of it. I have AETNA HMO, a true piece
> > > of steaming dogsh*t.
> > >
> > > 1) How much of the money from my paycheck goes to the Dr. and how much
> > > to the shareholders/management? Is it paid annually, monthy, etc? Got
> > > a pie chart? On the web? I've heard the Dr. gets $50 a month as my PCP.
> > >
> > > 2) Does the Dr. get a bonus at the end of the year, based on the cost
> > > of services he provided? I've heard Dr. get bonuses from the HMO if
> > > they keep the service costs below a certain level.
> > >
> > > 3) Why don't we have a catastropic health plan? I'm healthy and
> > > statistically I need little more than 1 visit every couple of years.
> > > But the base plan starts at $100 a month or so, and rapidly increases
> > > from there.
> > >
> > > No catastrophic plans are available (say, $3000 annual deductable,
> > > nice to have just in case I need some hardcore services). I'd gladly
> > > pay cash for a visit/tests/medication once every 18 months or so and
> > > leave all this monthly payment crap behind, and just get the hell out
> > > of this rigged game.
> > >
> > > Comments? Opinions?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > FF
> > >
> > > (I don't really fear anything about Drs. per se, but these HMOs
> > > (insurance companies + bean counters + government) are awful...i don't
> > > fear them, I think they're a crooked pathetic joke!
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>



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We do I think. It is the Blue Cross Hospitalization only plan.
Only hopitalizations are covered up to 54K and then everything is covered.
I don't mind paying meica costs either.
But giving up my house and life to do it doesn't make sense.
10 and 20K going out all at once, I'd be homeless in  a month.
-sd

SD wrote:

> I'm going to sign up for Blur Cross of California. That is what my own doctor
has. We are "friends" I do his web page he charges me nothing for my dx an
danything like a test once a year or less or whatever. Weird that I dont' want
> anything.. We but do only fear the catstrophic, so we only get
"hospitalization".l I went to hime a few times to get my thryoid straight when I
knew very little about T's. But now I am stable there and I don't need anythning
from him.
> He knows it. I can totally understand the dilemna of not needing an MD. We
must be lucky or something. Or smart? Maybe both?
> I've been aware of body and how it works since I was a kid And could learn, I
did learn. No mystery. Thje info is out there.  But at any moment I could get in
a car weedk and need medical treatment or whatever. Some docs I do fear,
> becasue they are brain washed. Adn yehit will cost a K a year. but oh well. It
beats risking what little IO have sved upo, etrc. When your bill comes to $5K it
covers  100% of everything plus take home meds. It's like car insurance.
> -sd
>
> Flash Fyre wrote:
>
> > We're coming up on open enrollment and I want to ask the talking heads
> > hard questions just for the fun of it. I have AETNA HMO, a true piece
> > of steaming dogsh*t.
> >
> > 1) How much of the money from my paycheck goes to the Dr. and how much
> > to the shareholders/management? Is it paid annually, monthy, etc? Got
> > a pie chart? On the web? I've heard the Dr. gets $50 a month as my PCP.
> >
> > 2) Does the Dr. get a bonus at the end of the year, based on the cost
> > of services he provided? I've heard Dr. get bonuses from the HMO if
> > they keep the service costs below a certain level.
> >
> > 3) Why don't we have a catastropic health plan? I'm healthy and
> > statistically I need little more than 1 visit every couple of years.
> > But the base plan starts at $100 a month or so, and rapidly increases
> > from there.
> >
> > No catastrophic plans are available (say, $3000 annual deductable,
> > nice to have just in case I need some hardcore services). I'd gladly
> > pay cash for a visit/tests/medication once every 18 months or so and
> > leave all this monthly payment crap behind, and just get the hell out
> > of this rigged game.
> >
> > Comments? Opinions?
> >
> > Thanks
> > FF
> >
> > (I don't really fear anything about Drs. per se, but these HMOs
> > (insurance companies + bean counters + government) are awful...i don't
> > fear them, I think they're a crooked pathetic joke!
> >

I'm going to sign up for Blur Cross of California. That is what my own doctor
has. We are "friends" I do his web page he charges me nothing for my dx an
danything like a test once a year or less or whatever. Weird that I dont' want
anything.. We but do only fear the catstrophic, so we only get
"hospitalization".l I went to hime a few times to get my thryoid straight when I
knew very little about T's. But now I am stable there and I don't need anythning
from him.
He knows it. I can totally understand the dilemna of not needing an MD. We must
be lucky or something. Or smart? Maybe both?
I've been aware of body and how it works since I was a kid And could learn, I
did learn. No mystery. Thje info is out there.  But at any moment I could get in
a car weedk and need medical treatment or whatever. Some docs I do fear,
becasue they are brain washed. Adn yehit will cost a K a year. but oh well. It
beats risking what little IO have sved upo, etrc. When your bill comes to $5K it
covers  100% of everything plus take home meds. It's like car insurance.
-sd

Flash Fyre wrote:

> We're coming up on open enrollment and I want to ask the talking heads
> hard questions just for the fun of it. I have AETNA HMO, a true piece
> of steaming dogsh*t.
>
> 1) How much of the money from my paycheck goes to the Dr. and how much
> to the shareholders/management? Is it paid annually, monthy, etc? Got
> a pie chart? On the web? I've heard the Dr. gets $50 a month as my PCP.
>
> 2) Does the Dr. get a bonus at the end of the year, based on the cost
> of services he provided? I've heard Dr. get bonuses from the HMO if
> they keep the service costs below a certain level.
>
> 3) Why don't we have a catastropic health plan? I'm healthy and
> statistically I need little more than 1 visit every couple of years.
> But the base plan starts at $100 a month or so, and rapidly increases
> from there.
>
> No catastrophic plans are available (say, $3000 annual deductable,
> nice to have just in case I need some hardcore services). I'd gladly
> pay cash for a visit/tests/medication once every 18 months or so and
> leave all this monthly payment crap behind, and just get the hell out
> of this rigged game.
>
> Comments? Opinions?
>
> Thanks
> FF
>
> (I don't really fear anything about Drs. per se, but these HMOs
> (insurance companies + bean counters + government) are awful...i don't
> fear them, I think they're a crooked pathetic joke!
>
>

We're coming up on open enrollment and I want to ask the talking heads
hard questions just for the fun of it. I have AETNA HMO, a true piece
of steaming dogsh*t.

1) How much of the money from my paycheck goes to the Dr. and how much
to the shareholders/management? Is it paid annually, monthy, etc? Got
a pie chart? On the web? I've heard the Dr. gets $50 a month as my PCP.

2) Does the Dr. get a bonus at the end of the year, based on the cost
of services he provided? I've heard Dr. get bonuses from the HMO if
they keep the service costs below a certain level.

3) Why don't we have a catastropic health plan? I'm healthy and
statistically I need little more than 1 visit every couple of years.
But the base plan starts at $100 a month or so, and rapidly increases
from there.

No catastrophic plans are available (say, $3000 annual deductable,
nice to have just in case I need some hardcore services). I'd gladly
pay cash for a visit/tests/medication once every 18 months or so and
leave all this monthly payment crap behind, and just get the hell out
of this rigged game.

Comments? Opinions?

Thanks
FF

(I don't really fear anything about Drs. per se, but these HMOs
(insurance companies + bean counters + government) are awful...i don't
fear them, I think they're a crooked pathetic joke!

Treat Cold, Flu and Ear Infection the natural way

With or without medication, the cold or the flu can give you real
trouble. You can choose from a variety of medications that can give
you some relief in symptoms or you can take the natural approach
that may prevent, speed your recovery and help you to feel better
along the way.

When is coming to children a cold or flu or other upper respiratory
infection can also ends in an ear infection - acute otitis media -
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middle ear.

This is very common in children younger than age 8, as their
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that connects the throat and the middle ear) is shorter, softer and
more horizontal which is more easily blocked by secretions than
those of older children or adults. Also, very exposed could be
infants because of their sucking habit. Always keep a breast or
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into theirs immature ear.

During a cold, throat infection, allergy or other upper respiratory
infection, the Eustachian tube swells and prevents air from entering
the middle ear, leading to allowing the secretions to enter to the
middle ear and be trapped there. This leads to viruses and bacteria
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In the bronchial tree: Absorption of the inflammatory edema from the
mucosa lining the bronchial tree, causing asthma, will be
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humidifies and fluidizes  the bronchial secretions in the bronchial
tree leading to the relief of the broncho- spasm assisting and
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In the nose and para-nasal sinuses, edema of the nasal mucosa,
causing nasal obstruction, will be diminished, leading to widening
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In the auditory tube: Edema of the Eustachian tube mucosa, causing
obstruction and otitis media, will be diminished, leading to
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The hygiene of the respiratory tract has a very important place in
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Here are some tips:

1. Use Salin device and Salt Pipe to clean all the respiratory tract.

2. Correctly blow your nose often - don't blow your nose hardly as
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3. Clean your nose with saline solution: mix 1.25 g salt in 1 cup
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4. Place an extra pillow under your head creating an angle. The best
way is to place it under the mattress  to create a smooth slope.
This will help with nasal congestion and also prevent ear infection.

For more information, kindly refer to the website.

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I am looking for the Dr's back office operations to be outsourced to India,bacause we are already doing the same business,If any USA based Dr is looking for outsourcing their back office operation can contact me.

Aamir

cell#9831781379

Sounded like he was looking for paid work in a medical office.

jameela 2004 wrote:

>  hi... i m from pakistan .i didnt get what u were
> asking about backwork.can u clear it..thanks dr furqan
>

hi... i m from pakistan .i didnt get what u were
asking about backwork.can u clear it..thanks dr furqan

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Hello,

I'm writing a note here because I really didn't know where else to
post.

My sister and I have had issues all of our lives with feeling tired,
and with zoning out a lot. It has affected every part of our lives.
A number of years ago, my sister got into Crystal Meth and other
amphetamines to stay awake, and though i tried them once or twice, I
was too afraid of htem to continue to do them habitually myself as
she had done.

I often wake up late - with headaches, and from time to time I feel
I am suffocating. I go to sleep with all of the windows open and the
fan blowing despite our often cold weather, and still I find myself
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but quite frankly, I want to know why some days I just can't get out
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effexor and she told me that she could feel it opening up her lungs
a bit or something.

What could possibly be keeping us so abysmally draggy all the time??
How do we get more air? I felt a lot better the day I took the speed
but the odd thing is that my friends and family only noticed that I
seemed 'perkier'. They never noticed that I was on something at all..

I'm soo desperate, and I don't want to wait any longer for a
solution. I feel I've lost 30 years of my life. Ideas?

Thanks,
Alina.

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Subject: Hospital infections kill 90,000 a year -
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Date: 14 Oct 2004 12:27:30 -0700
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Excerpt from health journal #44, vol.1


       Dr. Kenneth J. Finsand:  For thousands of years, the people of
Southeast Asia have eagerly anticipated the time when a special
fruit known as the mangosteen would come to the market.  This
tropical fruit is the fruit of choice by the local people of
Southeast Asia and many other parts of the world.  Its delicious
taste and medicinal qualities not only put dessert on the table but
keep the people free of such ailments as dysentery, infections,
inflammation, diabetes and pain to mention a few.  Twicwea year, the
open air markets buzz with anticipation for this staple of the local
people.  The fruit of the mangosteen is eaten, and the pericarp, or
the outer rind or skin of the fruit, is used as a natural remedy.
	 The scientific name is Garcinia Mangostana, and it has been
under scrutiny sinces the early 1970's, primarily for the
phytochemicals in it, which are known as xanthones.  Xanthones are
biologically active substances, and more than 30 are found in the
mangosteen, including the pericarp.  Xanthones are the healing
agents of this incredible fruit.
The musculo-skeletal benefits of the mangosteen fruit have been of
particular interest to me.  All musculo-skeletal conditions have one
thing in common-inflammation.  The inflammatory process comes at a
time when tissues are going through the natural process of despair.
Cells have been damaged, and the end result of that damage is the
production of hormone-like molecules called prostaglandins, which
cause pain and inflammation.  The intermediate of this process is an
enzyme called Cox II.  The CoxII enzyme is what actually starts the
inflammation, swelling and pain.
	 The big push in pharmaceutical companies has been to find a
Cox II inhibitor, which would stop the common complaints of
inflammation and pain.  The answer has been two well-known drugs
called Vioxx and Celebrex.  In my opinion, the drawback to the
continued use of these types of drugs is the long-term damage done
to the liver.  In chiropractic medicine we do not choose to se
drugs.  We seek to find alternative,  natural ways to eliminate
inflammation, pain and swelling without damage to the liver induced
by drugs.
	 In 1981, while surfing in Hawaii, I sustained a back
injury.  At the time, I was thrown to the bottom of the surf with
such force that it bent my entire body backward, breaking my back in
four areas. I snapped ribs off my spine like you would snap branches
from a tree!  I found myself lying on the beach pondering the end of
my life.  I literally felt like a bag of flesh with broken bones all
over inside.  After talking to God and expecting this to be the end
of my life, I began to think like a doctor and tried to wiggle my
toes.  To my delight, I realized I could move my toes, and soon
thereafter a group of people came and carried me to my hotel room,
because I refused to go to the emergency room.
	 Over the last 20 years through chiropractic care; I have
been able to lead a fairly normal life.  However, the pain has
increased as years have passed because spurring has advanced and
degeneration has occurred in the areas of the spine that were
traumatized.
	 As the years went by, it became harder and harder to sleep
because of the pain that occurred when I laid on my ribs and spine.
The only way I could sleep was to take a sleeping pill two hours
before bed.  The pain became more intense, and I found myself having
to use Lortab on a daily basis to reduce the pain.  It was evident
that liver damage was occurring.
	 Then in December 2002, my son, Dr. Humble Finsand, asked me
to go and listen to a presentation by a new company.  It was
marketing a product made up primarily of a fruit called mangosteen.
At the time, I had been sick with a viral cold that I could not
shake.  This was a reoccurring event, as my body seemed to be less
and less resistant to colds and infections.  My energy had been
noticeably reduced, and I felt exhausted most of the time.  I
attributed the changes in my body to long-term use of medication.
	 After listening to the presentation, I was given an ounce of
the mangosteen juice.  That was the beginning of a major change in
my health, my life and my career!  The next morning my cold symptoms
were gone!
	 I have implemented this product in my clinic and recommended
its use to my patients with incredible results.  Never have I
encountered a natural fruit so powerful that it could do the job of
so many other herbs.  Because of the amazing results I have had with
mangosteen, I am now drug free and virtually pain free for the first
time in 21 years.  The research I have performed on this product has
led me to believe that it helps restore liver function, it breaks
down insulin resistance, and it can turn around chronic conditions
of inflammation in the cells of the body.  It is also my finding
that mangosteen is the perfect ailment preventative.  And in the
chiropractic world, prevention is the key goal in health care.

MANGOSTEEN and CANCER

J. Frederic Templeman, MD: Cancer is a blanket term covering a
variety of disorders with the common element of abnormal,
uncontrolled cell growth that will not stop on its own.  Under
normal conditions, cell growth is strictly controlled with cell
birth equaling cell death so that the total number of cells in the
body remains relatively constant.  At times, abnormal growth that is
not cancerous can occur.  We still call the abnormal tissue
a "tumor" but it is benign and not malignant (cancerous).  In this
pamphlet, I will be dealing only with cancer.

The mechanism which stimulates cells to divide and multiply (when
repair or replacement work is needed in the body) and then turns
them off afterwards is under the control of genes contained in the
chromosomes of the nucleus.  These genes, which are composed of DNA,
can be thought of as the policemen of cell society.  The nucleus of
the cell would be the control center of all regulatory activity.

In the nucleus, the DNA, like the hard drive of a computer, contains
all the programming for the body.  When it is damaged by free
radicals, for example, it can become corrupted or scarred.  This
damage is called mutation and it is the critical event that leads to
cancer.  A mutation can be seen as the failure of a gene to perform
its duty.  (Watch for the change here).  Using the policeman
comparison again, mutation becomes possible only if the policeman
(gene) is corrupted by criminal elements and becomes a criminal
himself or if he is asleep on the job and does nothing while
damaging changes occur around him.

Continuing the analogy, disease, viruses, environmental pollutants,
dangerous foods etc. can be seen as criminal elements whose purpose
is to disrupt the society of cells in our body and then profit from
the chaos and damage that results.  These criminal elements have
agents working for them called free radicals.  Free radicals charge
around the body like madmen armed with automatic weapons which they
fire all around them damaging healthy cells.  They then steal
electrons left unprotected by their attack.  Their primary target is
the DNA in the nucleus, the command center of the cell where they
can inflict the greatest damage.

A prominent free radical researcher Dr. Bruce Ames estimates that
the DNA material in every one of the trillions of cells in our body
receives about ten thousand hits from free radicals everyday!  To
prevent a breach of the body's defenses in the face of an attack of
such magnitude requires the concerted efforts of all the agents of
the immune system, which can be seen as the armed forces of the
body, along with the collaboration of the policemen or the gene
regulatory mechanism.

When, despite the body's best efforts, a breach of our defenses
occurs, a tumor forms.  Like a city captured by enemy forces, the
tumor becomes a stronghold that has multiple defense mechanisms with
which it resists the continued attacks of the immune system.  Within
the stronghold, tumor viruses and deranged cells proliferate and are
sent out like secret agents to corrupt (infect) healthy cells
elsewhere.  The cells of the tumor itself grow without the
restrictions that govern normal cells and, almost immediately,
become the fastest growing tissue in the body.  As they grow
rapidly, they steal food and energy needed by healthy cells.  For
this reason, cancer patients may appear starved and wasted (a
medical term called cachexia).  Tumors cause pain by becoming large
enough to press on nerves or other pain sensitive structures.  They
can block ducts or intestines causing severe bodily dysfunction.
They often completely take over whole organs, i.e. the liver or
lungs, crowding out functioning cells and leading to organ death.

Many cancers spread or metastasize to other areas of the body
(remember the "secret agent" tumor viruses?), invading organs far
from where they originally started.  In contrast, most normal cells
are anchored in place.  Because of this mobility, a breast cancer
cell can make its way to the brain, for example, and start another
tumor.  When metastases (distant sites of cancer invasion) are
present, the enemy has already developed several strongholds
throughout the body.  If the cancer is unchecked, death is the
inevitable outcome.

Standard cancer intervention centers on the surgical excision of
tumors and/or their destruction by radiation or chemotherapy.
Immuno-stimulative therapies, although rare, also exist.
Unfortunately, most of these interventions also damage normal
healthy tissue as well.  For example, chemotherapy indiscriminately
destroys all rapidly-growing cells (sometimes by producing large
numbers of free radicals).  Therefore, while it targets cancer, it
also destroys normal hair follicles, blood-producing bone marrow
cells, the cells which line the intestine and, most importantly, the
protective cells of the immune system which are essential to the
prevention of infection.  The challenge of therapy is to destroy the
cancer before the chemotherapy or other treatment mortally weakens
the patient.

It is ironic to consider that the radiation and the free radical
attacks of chemotherapy that are used to destroy the tumors may
resemble the process that caused the cancer in the first place!

While not commonly recognized by most doctors, food supplements can
be valuable adjuncts o standard cancer therapy.  No compelling
evidence has emerged to prove that they interfere with chemotherapy
although some researchers have examined this possibility.
Additionally, unlike medicines which do nothing to prevent cancer,
food supplements are extremely effective at regulating the cellular
dysfunction that leads to mutation and cancer.  The expression, "An
ounce of medicine is worth a pound of cure" was never more
applicable!

Mangosteen's xanthones (phytoceuticals found only in this plant)
have proven ability to destroy cancerous cells, and in fact,
Garcinone E, an xanthone, was more effective than five commonly used
chemotherapy agents for stomach, lung and liver cancer (vincristine,
mitoxantrone, 5-flourouracil, cisplastin and methotrexate) in a
recent well-designed in vitro study.

In order to understand the several means by which mangosteen
phytoceuticals protect us from cancer, I miust return for a mment to
the most accepted theory of cancer development.

Step one The genetic material (DNA) of the cell is damaged by
free radicals from pollution, metabolic residues and infection or
disease and MUTATION occurs.

Step two The damaged cell divides and begins to disobey the
rules of normal cell replication.  Cancer now exist.

Step three Carcinogens then promote the development and
progression of the tumor often leading to metastases.

Where do the mangosteen phytoceuticals intervene in this deadly
process?  Well, the answer is that in addition to being anti-tumor
agents when cancer already exists, they prevent and arrest cancerous
change at every step.

It is quite impossible for us to avoid exposure to carcinogens and
the free radical assaults that follow, but the antioxidants and
other active phytoceuticals in the mangosteen can provide protection
from critical cell damage.  They do this by regulating gene
expression and repairing free radical damage.  In other words, they
protect against cancer by helping both the policemen (genes) and the
armed forces of the body (immune system) to become more efficient at
preventing mutation in the first place.

Additionally, the biologically active elements in the mangosteen
impede the promotion and the progression of cancer when DNA damage
does occur.  Finally, they attack existing tumors.

A word of caution.  I've described previously in "Mangosteen, the X-
factor" the differences between medicines and phytoceuticals.

Medicines are like sledgehammers compared to the rubber mallets of
the phytoceuticals.  Do not stop any cancer treatment to replace it
with mangosteen.  The phytoceuticals will do their work even in the
presence of other cancer therapies.  Remember also that there is no
conclusive evidence that the use of phytoceuticalsimpairs the
efficacy of chemotherapy.

Finally, while it is exciting to realize what the mangosteen
phytoceuticals will do in the area of cancer treatment, it is far
more important to prevent the development of cancer in the first
place.  Nothing does it better than mangosteen.  Waiting until you
develop cancer in order to learn how to deal with it just isn't
smart.  You may not fel the protective work it's doing in your body,
but as the years go by the results you'll experience will be
difficult to imagine.  Unfortunately, many of your friends who chose
not to supplement will not be around to celebrate your good health.

I was afraid too, but I was so glad when I found this.

Health journal volume 44, number 1

Title: M.D. replaces, supplements prescription drugs with natural
mangosteen extract

J. Frederic Templeman, M.D. : I have been using magosteen with my
patients for almost 18 months. At first, I used it as a fallback
product only when the regular medicines I prescribed proved
ineffectual. I now use mangosteen extract as a first line therapy in
a wide range of conditions because it ahs, in my experience, proven
to be more efficacious than the prescription medicine I used to
prescribe for many conditions. In addition, I now use mangosteen
extract as an adjunctive therapy in conditions ranging from arthritis
and fatigue to eczema and sleep disorders. (For a complete listing of
diseases referended see chart below)

After 20 years of precice, I am well aware that many conidtions are
unsatisfactorily treated with prescription drugs. Wherther doctors
are prepared to admit this to their patients or not, they know it to
be true. Because I am not a naturopath and well versed in the use of
a broad range of natural remedies, beofre manogsteen extract was
available, I had few alternatives to prescription drugs as far as
comlementary prescribing was concerned. I cannot express the relief I
feel as a physician, knowing there is a safe, efficacious, natural
alternative I can use in the conditions listed in the chart that
follows. In additoins, it may be helpful for those reading this piece
to have a list of some of the prescriptiosn and over-the-counter
drugs that I rarely use anymore because, in my opinion, the
mangosteen etract equals or outpreforms them.

My purpose in setting out these lists is to allow patients to
evaluate for themsleves whether pharmaceuticals or phytoceuticals
should be used to treat their conditions. The basic questions I ask
is this: "Why would anyone use a drug to otain some effect that can
be found in a food?"

Mangosteen is a food. It is found in a functional beverage that has
produced therapeutic effects in my patients (without the side effects
of drugs) that rival what drugs can do. Do not stop your medications
but add this mangosteen beverage to your meds. We have not seen food-
drug interactions with this product. When you have used mangosteen
for a reasonable period of time (1-2 months) go to your doctor and
tell him what you've experienced and ask him to redo blood tests,
etc., to determine what effect the mangosteen has had. Then, with his
collaboration, reduce or stop teh medications that mangosteen has
made unnecessary.

You'll be suprised at teh benefits mangosteen can provide in chronic
illness at doses of four to six ounces before meals ideally three
times daily. For prevention, once a day is adequate.

I use mangosteen extract as a first-line therapy in the following
conditions: (phew getting carpal tunnel ...LOL)

*gastro-esophageal reflux disease * recurrent urinary tract infec.
*acid dyspepsia or gastritis * diverticulitis (slow integ.)
*hiatal hernia * sleep disorders
*arthritis * allergic rhinitis
*fibromyalgia * neurodermatitis
*fatigue or low energy states * eczema
*mild depressionor dysthymia * seborrhea
*mild to moderate anxiety states * otitis externa
*mild to moderate asthma * on-arthritis muscle or joint
*irritable bowel disease pain

I use mangosteen extract as an adjunctive therapy in the following
conditions:

*rheumatic or connective tissue dis. * ulcerative colitis and crohns
*degenerative disc disease * cancer
*lupus * cardiovascular disease and
*chronic pain syndrome hypertension
*peripheral neuropathy * post-menopausal mood disorder
*migraine headache and PMS
*stomache and duodenal ulcers * viral infections
*diabetes * bacteria infections
*cystic fibrosis * fungal infections
*moderate to severe depression * hemorrhoids
*psoriasis * severe allergic reactions

In my opinion, the mangosteen extract equals or outpreforms the
following prescriptions and over-the-counter drugs:

*nexium, prevacid, aciphex * prozac, zoloft, paxil, lexapro
*zantec, pepcid, other H2 blockers other anti-depressants when
*allegra, zyrtec, claritin, other used for dysthymia or anxiety
antihistamins * vicodin, percocet, duragesic
*singulair patches, other narcotics
*prednisone * celebrex, vioxx, bextra,
*Lotrisone, topicort, cutivate, other naproxen, arthrotec, ibuprofen
corticosteroids other anti-inflammatories
*Valium, xanax, other minor tranquil. * Ultram, talwin, other
nonopiod
*Tegretol, neurontin, other anti- pain preperations
epileptic drugs when used for chronic* Midrin, Fioricet, Imitrex,
pain Amerge, Maxalt, Zomig, other
*Anusol, other hemorrhoid preperations migraine preperations
*Lupitor, Zocor, pravacol, other lipid* Valtrex
lowering agents * Aricept, cognex, other
alzheimer's preperations

I have started a new yahoo group so that the research link
information is available to seek out without being hasseled by a
salesman.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/healthandnutritionalsupplement/

Happy Researching,
Shanda:o)
Moderator

townsendfamily3 wrote:

 I know people who are using St. John's wort is working for (my mother
inlaw and she grows it herself)...maybe it just dosen't work for you?

you guys started a new group to avoid the flax see guy?...he must
have been awful

oh my goodness....colostomy bags? are they suing? that is horrible.

i am sorry i must have misunderstood you i thought you said you
didn't need an inhaler that you used steroids instead. My husband
used an inhaler among other prescriptions. yuck. so bad for his liver.

oh i see they are different. could you give me a link so that I can
better help people who ask me questions...i keep trying to tell them
to ask their doctor and i still will but it would be nice to know for
fruit loops like me that didn't know that. I wonder why my doctor
never explained that to me or Nick. He just said steroids and I did
some research on them. I do appreciate the doctor though for
thoroughly researching the mangosteen instead of listening
to "negative hype" from those who haven't tried and posted their
opinions on the web. I would love to tell them....take it
consistantly at the right dosage and prove it wrong and THEN you can
write negatively about the testimonials pouring in daily from allergy
and asthma sufferers only on mangosteen extract now. I would even be
nice and not told him told ya so when he came to me to say he was
wrong.....hehehe.

Half of their colons? That is huge. I don't know that much about flax
seed isnt that some sort of herb like oregano....can you tell i am
not a chef...LOL

I didnt' influence anyone to stop their meds. I said that many did
with their doctors help; due to the mangosteen juice xanthones doing
the same function as their meds. I said repeatedly to consult with
their doctor and have him help you to step down safely.

It is not a medicine, it is a food that has powerful medicinal
qualities and big funding is being paid out all over the globe which
is a food (a fruit, peel and seeds) to figure out "why" it is
working ...not to figure out it is working....no side effecs and no
drug interactions yet in 185,000,000 orders from the company that i
buy my husbands juice form of xanthones from.

yes when the funding starts becoming available that will be nice for
skeptics. I used to be one but not anymore. I realize that many are
more skeptical and need to see it in writing rather than try it and
see if it works considering how safe this fruit it (just like an
apple or a potatoe).

I am taking it to as many groups as I can people need to be aware it
is out there and just how safe it is. They deserve to have the
research available which is why i started the yahoo group i am
moderator of . I am also going to post an excerpt of the health
journal in front of me.

And you are right there is a big amount of "quackery going around" i
just read on the enzymes yahoo list that somebody was selling vials
of sugar water he labeled "secretin" i believe...for thousands of
dollars and parents paid it. Yikes. There is 3rd party hard medical
data behind this product. No double blind studies though. I am hoping
those will start popping up soon. I think we are going to have to
wait though as they think they found a cure for liver cancer. One of
the xanthones is consistantly killing liver cancer cells lines in
petree dishes. This is where most of the funding is going right now.
Do you know what this could mean for liver cancer patients? YEAH!!

Thank you for your polite manner in which you replied this time. Take
care and have a great day tomorrow.

Charlee
 
 
 

--- In 000-Fear-Of-Doctors@yahoogroups.com, "suedarn"
<sue.darnell@v...> wrote:
> Ya know, I've been watching a different seed, oil, flower,
> weed, extract, wine millions of dollars (like I care) every single
> year since I was a kid.
> Do you know how many people tried St.  John's Wort?
> Do you know how many health groups I have that get these emails?
> Last year it was Flaxseed. It wasn't my group,
> but now there is a group just to avoid the flaxseed guy.
> 2 of the members had to have half their colons removed from
> "flaxseeed".
> How the heck it happened I have no idea. Too much roughage,
> I guess it ate their colons off or something.
>  These guys were supposed to get better and almost died.
> Did that group make the news? No.
> But a lot of people heard us and the damage was reported by doctors
to
> the medical journals.
> And a lot of people are running around with colostomy bags over it.
> They should not have taken the flaxseed stuff.
> I don't need steroids. I don't' even have asthma.
> And corticosteroids are not the same as anabolic steroids.
> My b/f had it all his life and I didn't know it. now he takes one
hit
> a day of a steroid and he is fine.
> He ran around throwing up for 33 years. t
> The guy did not HAVE ENOUGH STEROIDS IN HIS BODY.
> But to influence someone to stop their meds is not a safe thing to
do
> eithier.
> It's ok to take medicine. He's healthier than most people.
> He's fine. He's classic severe asthma in remission as long as he
takes
> his meds..
> His is local. -the spray.
> He threw up all night, every night from a closed airway.
> For 33 years!
> If he goes off the steroid, he is sick all over again.
> CLASSIC asthma.
> I let you post that, and you will let me post what I know.
> I did not condemn your medicine.
> But I warned the public.
> It has not been tested.
> You tested it.
> It needs double blind studies and then the studies have to be
> duplicated, to influence me.
> Why don't you take this to an asthma group, anyway?
> And you can keep on tryng stuff out for me, if you like.
> I'm no worshipper of doctors, but there is such a thing as quackery.
> -sd
>
> --- In 000-Fear-Of-Doctors@yahoogroups.com, "townsendfamily3"
> <townsendfamily3@y...> wrote:
> > What the heck?! Snake oil? You obviously didn't research before
you
> > spoke. How can you turn people away with your skepticism what you
> > haven't tried or researched. If you want to stay on steriods that
is
> > your choice but how can you sway others with something you know
> > nothing about from getting help naturally. You don't know
anything
> > about it or that more and more doctors every month now
recommending
> > manogsteen extracts (md's not just naturopaths) due to the
powerful
> > natural anti-histamin and serotonin blockers. Also it is now the
> most
> > poweful anti-oxidant and anti-inflammatory known.
> >
> > Universities and Hospitals across the globe are applying for
funding
> > to study these xanthones even more thoroughly as to why it is
> working
> > so much better than prescriptoin medication which has nasty side
> > effects from long term use and that is proven. You can't "quack"
> that.
> >
> > >>>You are right though, Asthma is nothing to play with. My
husband
> > is doing so well now that he is taking a form of mangosteen
extract
> > he doctor helped him wean down safely from prescription. I have
> never
> > seen him so happy to be free of that medication.
> >
> > No one has had remissions from switching to mangosteen juice in
the
> > 18 months the safe product has been made available...pretty good
> odds
> > id say. Still the recommendation is to work with your doctor to
> build
> > up the xanthoens in your body and get your system under control
> > before you let them help you go down in dosage until you are just
on
> > the mangosteen juice. Your doctors should be the one helping you
> make
> > that decision if you choose to look into it like I did....
> >
> > steroids are actually really bad for you...have you done the
> research
> > on them. Their success rates and bad side effects? I have. My
> friends
> > grandmother died from steriods she had to take and no there was
no
> > other determining factor. Just like america thinks ibuprofin is
safe
> > when it causes liver damage from long term use. Most of america
just
> > blindly accepts medication without research.
> >
> > >>>You are right about another thing however, liquid vitamins are
> > better absorbed into the blood stream and very essential to
proper
> > health.
> >
> > My suggestion. Research the links and info.
> >
> > You will see what I am saying. Choose for yourselves and talk to
> your
> > doctor (he may be recommending it already) as more and more are
> > recommending it every month. It is important to get an
appointment
> > with your doctor (per Dr. Templeman's advice and Dr. Sam Walters
in
> > the health journal in front of me) to make sure that he knows
what
> > you are doing (there are no drug interactions and no nasty side
> > effects) so that when he feels you are ready he can help you
slowly
> > go off of the steroids safely. Like my husband.
> >
> > My doctor can't deny the patients coming in not needing their
> > medication anymore and has done the research behind the botanical
> > mangosteen. Research is the key folks. Not opinion. Happy
> > researching. :o)
> >
> > Again if you want the third party medical research the links to
> "look
> > into the experimentation reports themselves" is on this yahoo
group.
> > I wish you my husbands kind of success no matter which path you
> > choose :o)
> >
> >
> >
>
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/naturaltherapyforasthmaandallergi
> > es/
> >
> > Any further attempts to attack my intentions or charachter or the
> > valitidy of my husbands sucess to be symptom free will be
ignored. I
> > have no wish to have a debate on something that is already
proven.
> > Thank you. just didn't want to be selfish with being symptom free
> > while the rest of you suffered or were on prescription
medication.
> :o)
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In 000-Fear-Of-Doctors@yahoogroups.com, "suedarn"
> > <sue.darnell@v...> wrote:
> > > Somebody is selling some stuff called Xango.
> > > It could be snaek oil. You know,  there  really is such a thing
> > > as "Quackism.
> > > It is a vocation as old as man.
> > > Asthma is nothing to play with. All asthma medications on the
> > planet
> > > are natural anyway. Do not fear asthma medications. they are
also
> > > safe. Safer than not taking them. IF they were not natural,
they
> > > would be "super-natural" duh!
> > > .
> > > I hae researched asthma medications too. We have air pollution
and
> > > irritants in the air. Asthma can have remissions that make you
> > think
> > > that a medication or a supplemment is working. It does not mean
> > that
> > > it is. Plenty of vitmanis are also necessary, so keep healthy,
> > > everyone, and believe none of what you hear, and ony 1/2 of
what
> > you
> > > see. We use steroids and do not carry inhalers either.
> > > -Sue
 

townsendfamily3 wrote:

 I know people who are using St. John's wort is working for (my mother
inlaw and she grows it herself)...maybe it just dosen't work for you?

you guys started a new group to avoid the flax see guy?...he must
have been awful

oh my goodness....colostomy bags? are they suing? that is horrible.

i am sorry i must have misunderstood you i thought you said you
didn't need an inhaler that you used steroids instead. My husband
used an inhaler among other prescriptions. yuck. so bad for his liver.

oh i see they are different. could you give me a link so that I can
better help people who ask me questions...i keep trying to tell them
to ask their doctor and i still will but it would be nice to know for
fruit loops like me that didn't know that. I wonder why my doctor
never explained that to me or Nick. He just said steroids and I did
some research on them. I do appreciate the doctor though for
thoroughly researching the mangosteen instead of listening
to "negative hype" from those who haven't tried and posted their
opinions on the web. I would love to tell them....take it
consistantly at the right dosage and prove it wrong and THEN you can
write negatively about the testimonials pouring in daily from allergy
and asthma sufferers only on mangosteen extract now. I would even be
nice and not told him told ya so when he came to me to say he was
wrong.....hehehe.

Half of their colons? That is huge. I don't know that much about flax
seed isnt that some sort of herb like oregano....can you tell i am
not a chef...LOL

I didnt' influence anyone to stop their meds. I said that many did
with their doctors help; due to the mangosteen juice xanthones doing
the same function as their meds. I said repeatedly to consult with
their doctor and have him help you to step down safely.

It is not a medicine, it is a food that has powerful medicinal
qualities and big funding is being paid out all over the globe which
is a food (a fruit, peel and seeds) to figure out "why" it is
working ...not to figure out it is working....no side effecs and no
drug interactions yet in 185,000,000 orders from the company that i
buy my husbands juice form of xanthones from.

yes when the funding starts becoming available that will be nice for
skeptics. I used to be one but not anymore. I realize that many are
more skeptical and need to see it in writing rather than try it and
see if it works considering how safe this fruit it (just like an
apple or a potatoe).

I am taking it to as many groups as I can people need to be aware it
is out there and just how safe it is. They deserve to have the
research available which is why i started the yahoo group i am
moderator of . I am also going to post an excerpt of the health
journal in front of me.

And you are right there is a big amount of "quackery going around" i
just read on the enzymes yahoo list that somebody was selling vials
of sugar water he labeled "secretin" i believe...for thousands of
dollars and parents paid it. Yikes. There is 3rd party hard medical
data behind this product. No double blind studies though. I am hoping
those will start popping up soon. I think we are going to have to
wait though as they think they found a cure for liver cancer. One of
the xanthones is consistantly killing liver cancer cells lines in
petree dishes. This is where most of the funding is going right now.
Do you know what this could mean for liver cancer patients? YEAH!!

Thank you for your polite manner in which you replied this time. Take
care and have a great day tomorrow.

Charlee
 
 
 

--- In 000-Fear-Of-Doctors@yahoogroups.com, "suedarn"
<sue.darnell@v...> wrote:
> Ya know, I've been watching a different seed, oil, flower,
> weed, extract, wine millions of dollars (like I care) every single
> year since I was a kid.
> Do you know how many people tried St.  John's Wort?
> Do you know how many health groups I have that get these emails?
> Last year it was Flaxseed. It wasn't my group,
> but now there is a group just to avoid the flaxseed guy.
> 2 of the members had to have half their colons removed from
> "flaxseeed".
> How the heck it happened I have no idea. Too much roughage,
> I guess it ate their colons off or something.
>  These guys were supposed to get better and almost died.
> Did that group make the news? No.
> But a lot of people heard us and the damage was reported by doctors
to
> the medical journals.
> And a lot of people are running around with colostomy bags over it.
> They should not have taken the flaxseed stuff.
> I don't need steroids. I don't' even have asthma.
> And corticosteroids are not the same as anabolic steroids.
> My b/f had it all his life and I didn't know it. now he takes one
hit
> a day of a steroid and he is fine.
> He ran around throwing up for 33 years. t
> The guy did not HAVE ENOUGH STEROIDS IN HIS BODY.
> But to influence someone to stop their meds is not a safe thing to
do
> eithier.
> It's ok to take medicine. He's healthier than most people.
> He's fine. He's classic severe asthma in remission as long as he
takes
> his meds..
> His is local. -the spray.
> He threw up all night, every night from a closed airway.
> For 33 years!
> If he goes off the steroid, he is sick all over again.
> CLASSIC asthma.
> I let you post that, and you will let me post what I know.
> I did not condemn your medicine.
> But I warned the public.
> It has not been tested.
> You tested it.
> It needs double blind studies and then the studies have to be
> duplicated, to influence me.
> Why don't you take this to an asthma group, anyway?
> And you can keep on tryng stuff out for me, if you like.
> I'm no worshipper of doctors, but there is such a thing as quackery.
> -sd
>
> --- In 000-Fear-Of-Doctors@yahoogroups.com, "townsendfamily3"
> <townsendfamily3@y...> wrote:
> > What the heck?! Snake oil? You obviously didn't research before
you
> > spoke. How can you turn people away with your skepticism what you
> > haven't tried or researched. If you want to stay on steriods that
is
> > your choice but how can you sway others with something you know
> > nothing about from getting help naturally. You don't know
anything
> > about it or that more and more doctors every month now
recommending
> > manogsteen extracts (md's not just naturopaths) due to the
powerful
> > natural anti-histamin and serotonin blockers. Also it is now the
> most
> > poweful anti-oxidant and anti-inflammatory known.
> >
> > Universities and Hospitals across the globe are applying for
funding
> > to study these xanthones even more thoroughly as to why it is
> working
> > so much better than prescriptoin medication which has nasty side
> > effects from long term use and that is proven. You can't "quack"
> that.
> >
> > >>>You are right though, Asthma is nothing to play with. My
husband
> > is doing so well now that he is taking a form of mangosteen
extract
> > he doctor helped him wean down safely from prescription. I have
> never
> > seen him so happy to be free of that medication.
> >
> > No one has had remissions from switching to mangosteen juice in
the
> > 18 months the safe product has been made available...pretty good
> odds
> > id say. Still the recommendation is to work with your doctor to
> build
> > up the xanthoens in your body and get your system under control
> > before you let them help you go down in dosage until you are just
on
> > the mangosteen juice. Your doctors should be the one helping you
> make
> > that decision if you choose to look into it like I did....
> >
> > steroids are actually really bad for you...have you done the
> research
> > on them. Their success rates and bad side effects? I have. My
> friends
> > grandmother died from steriods she had to take and no there was
no
> > other determining factor. Just like america thinks ibuprofin is
safe
> > when it causes liver damage from long term use. Most of america
just
> > blindly accepts medication without research.
> >
> > >>>You are right about another thing however, liquid vitamins are
> > better absorbed into the blood stream and very essential to
proper
> > health.
> >
> > My suggestion. Research the links and info.
> >
> > You will see what I am saying. Choose for yourselves and talk to
> your
> > doctor (he may be recommending it already) as more and more are
> > recommending it every month. It is important to get an
appointment
> > with your doctor (per Dr. Templeman's advice and Dr. Sam Walters
in
> > the health journal in front of me) to make sure that he knows
what
> > you are doing (there are no drug interactions and no nasty side
> > effects) so that when he feels you are ready he can help you
slowly
> > go off of the steroids safely. Like my husband.
> >
> > My doctor can't deny the patients coming in not needing their
> > medication anymore and has done the research behind the botanical
> > mangosteen. Research is the key folks. Not opinion. Happy
> > researching. :o)
> >
> > Again if you want the third party medical research the links to
> "look
> > into the experimentation reports themselves" is on this yahoo
group.
> > I wish you my husbands kind of success no matter which path you
> > choose :o)
> >
> >
> >
>
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/naturaltherapyforasthmaandallergi
> > es/
> >
> > Any further attempts to attack my intentions or charachter or the
> > valitidy of my husbands sucess to be symptom free will be
ignored. I
> > have no wish to have a debate on something that is already
proven.
> > Thank you. just didn't want to be selfish with being symptom free
> > while the rest of you suffered or were on prescription
medication.
> :o)
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In 000-Fear-Of-Doctors@yahoogroups.com, "suedarn"
> > <sue.darnell@v...> wrote:
> > > Somebody is selling some stuff called Xango.
> > > It could be snaek oil. You know,  there  really is such a thing
> > > as "Quackism.
> > > It is a vocation as old as man.
> > > Asthma is nothing to play with. All asthma medications on the
> > planet
> > > are natural anyway. Do not fear asthma medications. they are
also
> > > safe. Safer than not taking them. IF they were not natural,
they
> > > would be "super-natural" duh!
> > > .
> > > I hae researched asthma medications too. We have air pollution
and
> > > irritants in the air. Asthma can have remissions that make you
> > think
> > > that a medication or a supplemment is working. It does not mean
> > that
> > > it is. Plenty of vitmanis are also necessary, so keep healthy,
> > > everyone, and believe none of what you hear, and ony 1/2 of
what
> > you
> > > see. We use steroids and do not carry inhalers either.
> > > -Sue
 

--
-Sue Darnell
(mexican_gifts)
http://www.stores.ebay.com/mexicansilverandstuff
 

I know people who are using St. John's wort is working for (my mother
inlaw and she grows it herself)...maybe it just dosen't work for you?

you guys started a new group to avoid the flax see guy?...he must
have been awful

oh my goodness....colostomy bags? are they suing? that is horrible.

i am sorry i must have misunderstood you i thought you said you
didn't need an inhaler that you used steroids instead. My husband
used an inhaler among other prescriptions. yuck. so bad for his liver.

oh i see they are different. could you give me a link so that I can
better help people who ask me questions...i keep trying to tell them
to ask their doctor and i still will but it would be nice to know for
fruit loops like me that didn't know that. I wonder why my doctor
never explained that to me or Nick. He just said steroids and I did
some research on them. I do appreciate the doctor though for
thoroughly researching the mangosteen instead of listening
to "negative hype" from those who haven't tried and posted their
opinions on the web. I would love to tell them....take it
consistantly at the right dosage and prove it wrong and THEN you can
write negatively about the testimonials pouring in daily from allergy
and asthma sufferers only on mangosteen extract now. I would even be
nice and not told him told ya so when he came to me to say he was
wrong.....hehehe.

Half of their colons? That is huge. I don't know that much about flax
seed isnt that some sort of herb like oregano....can you tell i am
not a chef...LOL

I didnt' influence anyone to stop their meds. I said that many did
with their doctors help; due to the mangosteen juice xanthones doing
the same function as their meds. I said repeatedly to consult with
their doctor and have him help you to step down safely.

It is not a medicine, it is a food that has powerful medicinal
qualities and big funding is being paid out all over the globe which
is a food (a fruit, peel and seeds) to figure out "why" it is
working ...not to figure out it is working....no side effecs and no
drug interactions yet in 185,000,000 orders from the company that i
buy my husbands juice form of xanthones from.

yes when the funding starts becoming available that will be nice for
skeptics. I used to be one but not anymore. I realize that many are
more skeptical and need to see it in writing rather than try it and
see if it works considering how safe this fruit it (just like an
apple or a potatoe).

I am taking it to as many groups as I can people need to be aware it
is out there and just how safe it is. They deserve to have the
research available which is why i started the yahoo group i am
moderator of . I am also going to post an excerpt of the health
journal in front of me.

And you are right there is a big amount of "quackery going around" i
just read on the enzymes yahoo list that somebody was selling vials
of sugar water he labeled "secretin" i believe...for thousands of
dollars and parents paid it. Yikes. There is 3rd party hard medical
data behind this product. No double blind studies though. I am hoping
those will start popping up soon. I think we are going to have to
wait though as they think they found a cure for liver cancer. One of
the xanthones is consistantly killing liver cancer cells lines in
petree dishes. This is where most of the funding is going right now.
Do you know what this could mean for liver cancer patients? YEAH!!

Thank you for your polite manner in which you replied this time. Take
care and have a great day tomorrow.

Charlee




--- In 000-Fear-Of-Doctors@yahoogroups.com, "suedarn"
<sue.darnell@v...> wrote:
> Ya know, I've been watching a different seed, oil, flower,
> weed, extract, wine millions of dollars (like I care) every single
> year since I was a kid.
> Do you know how many people tried St.  John's Wort?
> Do you know how many health groups I have that get these emails?
> Last year it was Flaxseed. It wasn't my group,
> but now there is a group just to avoid the flaxseed guy.
> 2 of the members had to have half their colons removed from
> "flaxseeed".
> How the heck it happened I have no idea. Too much roughage,
> I guess it ate their colons off or something.
>  These guys were supposed to get better and almost died.
> Did that group make the news? No.
> But a lot of people heard us and the damage was reported by doctors
to
> the medical journals.
> And a lot of people are running around with colostomy bags over it.
> They should not have taken the flaxseed stuff.
> I don't need steroids. I don't' even have asthma.
> And corticosteroids are not the same as anabolic steroids.
> My b/f had it all his life and I didn't know it. now he takes one
hit
> a day of a steroid and he is fine.
> He ran around throwing up for 33 years. t
> The guy did not HAVE ENOUGH STEROIDS IN HIS BODY.
> But to influence someone to stop their meds is not a safe thing to
do
> eithier.
> It's ok to take medicine. He's healthier than most people.
> He's fine. He's classic severe asthma in remission as long as he
takes
> his meds..
> His is local. -the spray.
> He threw up all night, every night from a closed airway.
> For 33 years!
> If he goes off the steroid, he is sick all over again.
> CLASSIC asthma.
> I let you post that, and you will let me post what I know.
> I did not condemn your medicine.
> But I warned the public.
> It has not been tested.
> You tested it.
> It needs double blind studies and then the studies have to be
> duplicated, to influence me.
> Why don't you take this to an asthma group, anyway?
> And you can keep on tryng stuff out for me, if you like.
> I'm no worshipper of doctors, but there is such a thing as quackery.
> -sd
>
> --- In 000-Fear-Of-Doctors@yahoogroups.com, "townsendfamily3"
> <townsendfamily3@y...> wrote:
> > What the heck?! Snake oil? You obviously didn't research before
you
> > spoke. How can you turn people away with your skepticism what you
> > haven't tried or researched. If you want to stay on steriods that
is
> > your choice but how can you sway others with something you know
> > nothing about from getting help naturally. You don't know
anything
> > about it or that more and more doctors every month now
recommending
> > manogsteen extracts (md's not just naturopaths) due to the
powerful
> > natural anti-histamin and serotonin blockers. Also it is now the
> most
> > poweful anti-oxidant and anti-inflammatory known.
> >
> > Universities and Hospitals across the globe are applying for
funding
> > to study these xanthones even more thoroughly as to why it is
> working
> > so much better than prescriptoin medication which has nasty side
> > effects from long term use and that is proven. You can't "quack"
> that.
> >
> > >>>You are right though, Asthma is nothing to play with. My
husband
> > is doing so well now that he is taking a form of mangosteen
extract
> > he doctor helped him wean down safely from prescription. I have
> never
> > seen him so happy to be free of that medication.
> >
> > No one has had remissions from switching to mangosteen juice in
the
> > 18 months the safe product has been made available...pretty good
> odds
> > id say. Still the recommendation is to work with your doctor to
> build
> > up the xanthoens in your body and get your system under control
> > before you let them help you go down in dosage until you are just
on
> > the mangosteen juice. Your doctors should be the one helping you
> make
> > that decision if you choose to look into it like I did....
> >
> > steroids are actually really bad for you...have you done the
> research
> > on them. Their success rates and bad side effects? I have. My
> friends
> > grandmother died from steriods she had to take and no there was
no
> > other determining factor. Just like america thinks ibuprofin is
safe
> > when it causes liver damage from long term use. Most of america
just
> > blindly accepts medication without research.
> >
> > >>>You are right about another thing however, liquid vitamins are
> > better absorbed into the blood stream and very essential to
proper
> > health.
> >
> > My suggestion. Research the links and info.
> >
> > You will see what I am saying. Choose for yourselves and talk to
> your
> > doctor (he may be recommending it already) as more and more are
> > recommending it every month. It is important to get an
appointment
> > with your doctor (per Dr. Templeman's advice and Dr. Sam Walters
in
> > the health journal in front of me) to make sure that he knows
what
> > you are doing (there are no drug interactions and no nasty side
> > effects) so that when he feels you are ready he can help you
slowly
> > go off of the steroids safely. Like my husband.
> >
> > My doctor can't deny the patients coming in not needing their
> > medication anymore and has done the research behind the botanical
> > mangosteen. Research is the key folks. Not opinion. Happy
> > researching. :o)
> >
> > Again if you want the third party medical research the links to
> "look
> > into the experimentation reports themselves" is on this yahoo
group.
> > I wish you my husbands kind of success no matter which path you
> > choose :o)
> >
> >
> >
>
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/naturaltherapyforasthmaandallergi
> > es/
> >
> > Any further attempts to attack my intentions or charachter or the
> > valitidy of my husbands sucess to be symptom free will be
ignored. I
> > have no wish to have a debate on something that is already
proven.
> > Thank you. just didn't want to be selfish with being symptom free
> > while the rest of you suffered or were on prescription
medication.
> :o)
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In 000-Fear-Of-Doctors@yahoogroups.com, "suedarn"
> > <sue.darnell@v...> wrote:
> > > Somebody is selling some stuff called Xango.
> > > It could be snaek oil. You know,  there  really is such a thing
> > > as "Quackism.
> > > It is a vocation as old as man.
> > > Asthma is nothing to play with. All asthma medications on the
> > planet
> > > are natural anyway. Do not fear asthma medications. they are
also
> > > safe. Safer than not taking them. IF they were not natural,
they
> > > would be "super-natural" duh!
> > > .
> > > I hae researched asthma medications too. We have air pollution
and
> > > irritants in the air. Asthma can have remissions that make you
> > think
> > > that a medication or a supplemment is working. It does not mean
> > that
> > > it is. Plenty of vitmanis are also necessary, so keep healthy,
> > > everyone, and believe none of what you hear, and ony 1/2 of
what
> > you
> > > see. We use steroids and do not carry inhalers either.
> > > -Sue

I just wanted to let you know that this is an excerpt from health
journal #44 number 1. That I thought people from this group might see
what the botanical mangosteen is really about.

Health journal volume 44, number 1

Title: M.D. replaces, supplements prescription drugs with natural
mangosteen extract

J. Frederic Templeman, M.D. : I have been using magosteen with my
patients for almost 18 months. At first, I used it as a fallback
product only when the regular medicines I prescribed proved
ineffectual. I now use mangosteen extract as a first line therapy in
a wide range of conditions because it ahs, in my experience, proven
to be more efficacious than the prescription medicine I used to
prescribe for many conditions. In addition, I now use mangosteen
extract as an adjunctive therapy in conditions ranging from arthritis
and fatigue to eczema and sleep disorders. (For a complete listing of
diseases referended see chart below)

After 20 years of practice, I am well aware that many conidtions are
unsatisfactorily treated with prescription drugs. Wherther doctors
are prepared to admit this to their patients or not, they know it to
be true. Because I am not a naturopath and well versed in the use of
a broad range of natural remedies, beofre manogsteen extract was
available, I had few alternatives to prescription drugs as far as
comlementary prescribing was concerned. I cannot express the relief I
feel as a physician, knowing there is a safe, efficacious, natural
alternative I can use in the conditions listed in the chart that
follows. In additoins, it may be helpful for those reading this piece
to have a list of some of the prescriptiosn and over-the-counter
drugs that I rarely use anymore because, in my opinion, the
mangosteen etract equals or outpreforms them.

My purpose in setting out these lists is to allow patients to
evaluate for themsleves whether pharmaceuticals or phytoceuticals
should be used to treat their conditions. The basic questions I ask
is this: "Why would anyone use a drug to otain some effect that can
be found in a food?"

Mangosteen is a food. It is found in a functional beverage that has
produced therapeutic effects in my patients (without the side effects
of drugs) that rival what drugs can do. Do not stop your medications
but add this mangosteen beverage to your meds. We have not seen food-
drug interactions with this product. When you have used mangosteen
for a reasonable period of time (1-2 months) go to your doctor and
tell him what you've experienced and ask him to redo blood tests,
etc., to determine what effect the mangosteen has had. Then, with his
collaboration, reduce or stop teh medications that mangosteen has
made unnecessary.

You'll be suprised at teh benefits mangosteen can provide in chronic
illness at doses of four to six ounces before meals ideally three
times daily. For prevention, once a day is adequate.

I use mangosteen extract as a first-line therapy in the following
conditions: (phew getting carpal tunnel ...LOL)

*gastro-esophageal reflux disease     * recurrent urinary tract infec.
*acid dyspepsia or gastritis          * diverticulitis (slow integ.)
*hiatal hernia                        * sleep disorders
*arthritis                            * allergic rhinitis
*fibromyalgia                         * neurodermatitis
*fatigue or low energy states         * eczema
*mild depressionor dysthymia          * seborrhea
*mild to moderate anxiety states      * otitis externa
*mild to moderate asthma              * on-arthritis muscle or joint
*irritable bowel disease                pain

I use mangosteen extract as an adjunctive therapy in the following
conditions:

*rheumatic or connective tissue dis.  * ulcerative colitis and crohns
*degenerative disc disease            * cancer
*lupus                                * cardiovascular disease and
*chronic pain syndrome                  hypertension
*peripheral neuropathy                * post-menopausal mood disorder
*migraine headache                      and PMS
*stomache and duodenal ulcers         * viral infections
*diabetes                             * bacteria infections
*cystic fibrosis                      * fungal infections
*moderate to severe depression        * hemorrhoids
*psoriasis                            * severe allergic reactions

In my opinion, the mangosteen extract equals or outpreforms the
following prescriptions and over-the-counter drugs:

*nexium, prevacid, aciphex            * prozac, zoloft, paxil, lexapro
*zantec, pepcid, other H2 blockers      other anti-depressants when
*allegra, zyrtec, claritin, other       used for dysthymia or anxiety
antihistamins                         * vicodin, percocet, duragesic
*singulair                              patches, other narcotics
*prednisone                           * celebrex, vioxx, bextra,
*Lotrisone, topicort, cutivate, other   naproxen, arthrotec, ibuprofen
  corticosteroids                        other anti-inflammatories
*Valium, xanax, other minor tranquil. * Ultram, talwin, other nonopiod
*Tegretol, neurontin, other anti-       pain preperations
  epileptic drugs when used for chronic* Midrin, Fioricet, Imitrex,
  pain                                   Amerge, Maxalt, Zomig, other
*Anusol, other hemorrhoid preperations  migraine preperations
*Lupitor, Zocor, pravacol, other lipid* Valtrex
  lowering agents                      * Aricept, cognex, other
                                         alzheimer's preperations